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[ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> announcer: from 30 rockefeller plaza in new york, it's "late night with seth meyers." tonight -- david spade. former prosecuter and best-selling author, marcia clark. writer noah hawley. featuring the 8g band with tim alexander. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] ladies and gentlemen, seth meyers! >> seth: good evening. i'm seth meyers and this is "late night." how's everybody doing tonight? [ cheers and applause ] that's good to hear. in that case, let's get to the news. violence broke out at a donald trump rally in new mexico last night where police in riot gear used smoke grenades to disperse protesters who were seen throwing rocks and bottles.
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man, i really thought he'd be over it by now. [ laughter ] we know it's you. a new state department audit has found that hillary clinton broke official rules by not turning over her e-mail records quick enough. ugh. you know between hillary's e-mails and trump's twitter issues, maybe america is ready for a landline president. [ laughter ] the state department criticized hillary clinton for disregarding cyber security guidelines and exhibiting poor management of computer information. for example, she's only changed her password once in the last seven years. [ laughter ] that's not safe. you've gotta switch it up more than that. you've gotta switch it up more than that. [ applause ] so the state department found that hillary clinton broke official rules by using a private e-mail server. this is how fox news covered the story. ♪ [ laughter ] >> seth: they were very -- they've been waiting. they were very happy.
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the latest nbc/wall street journal poll has found that donald trump and hillary clinton have nearly opposite results with rural voters compared to urban voters. with clinton leading trump by 25% in cities and trump beating clinton by 31% in places he wouldn't be caught dead. [ laughter ] at a rally in california yesterday, bernie sanders said that if he winds up being the democratic nominee, donald trump is toast. incidentally, toast is also what donald trump's tanning bed is set to. [ laughter ] "i think toast today. i'm feeling like toast." [ applause ] the taliban has named a new leader this week after their former leader was killed in a drone strike over the weekend. it's the only job interview where the correct answer to "where do you see yourself in five years?" is, "i don't." [ laughter ] jay-z has released a new single that seems to address the infidelity rumors brought up in
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beyonce's album "lemonade." though if i understood "lemonade" correctly beyonce is close to releasing jay-z as a single. [ light laughter ] [ audience oohs ] ooh. did you hear what he said? yeah, i heard. did you hear? yeah, i just asked you. that's why i asked you. a school district in north carolina is entertaining a proposal to ban skinny jeans, leggings and all excessively tight-fitting pants. and just take a look at their new cheerleading uniforms. [ laughter ] a man and his wife are filing a lawsuit after a hernia operation caused the man's scrotum to swell to 80 pounds. the couple is seeking monetary damages and also a little wagon. [ laughter ] a public art project has begun in boston called raining poetry. it involves invisible poems being written on public sidewalks in special paint. it only becomes visible once the sidewalk gets wet.
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said boston residents, "cool, something i can read while i'm takin' a piss." [ laughter ] "two roads diverged in a wood -- what?" [ light laughter ] a man in new york city reportedly found a metal screw in his chinese food this week. if only he had started with the fortune cookie. [ laughter ] president obama signed legislation this week to replace the term "eskimo" in all federal laws with the phrase "alaska native." "fine, i'll have seven alaska native pies," said chris christie. [ light laughter ] [ applause ] and finally, state troopers in indiana this week arrested four amish teens who is were clocked doing 110 miles per hour on the highway. and as dangerous as that is for the teenagers, it's hell on the horses. [ light laughter ] ladies and gentlemen, we have a fantastic show for you tonight. [ cheers and applause ]
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from the new netflix film "the do-over," the wonderful david spade is here this evening. [ cheers and applause ] she was the lead prosecutor in the o.j. simpson trial and appears in the espn docu-series "o.j.: made in america," marcia clark is here tonight. [ cheers and applause ] and i'm very excited to talk to her about that documentary. because it is absolutely fantastic and fascinating. and also, he is the writer and creator of the incredible show "fargo" and he's here to talk about his new book, "before the fall." noah hawley is here tonight. [ cheers and applause ] an excellent book and one of my favorite shows. so, i'm looking forward to that as well. also, guys, tomorrow is red nose day here at nbc. here's a red nose to prove it. and you can go to walgreens and get one of these noses right here. and then watch the red nose day special on nbc tomorrow night and give help to kids in need in the u.s. and the world. i did it last year and it was a blast. and i was not asked back. [ light laughter ] it's not important.
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moving on. for months, airports and airlines across the country have been complaining about unbearably slow lines at security, even worse than normal. so after 450 travelers missed their flights this weekend at chicago's o'hare airport, the head of security operations at the tsa was finally removed from his post. that brings us to a segment we call, "a couple things." ♪ [ applause ] >> seth: first thing, let's be honest, long lines aren't only the tsa's fault. they're also the fault of the guy who keeps his laptop in a sleeve that's in a pocket that's in a messenger bag that's in a suitcase that's in a sleeping bag. [ light laughter ] why is that thing so well protected? it's a computer, not an infant from the icu. and if you know you're going to the airport, maybe don't wear your shoes that have laces, buckles and zippers. that's like stepping up to a starbucks cashier and saying, "hold on, let me get my money out of this safe. 32, 15." second thing. you know what doesn't help a long security line? complaining about it.
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"oh my god, can you believe this line?" yeah, i can because i'm standing in it right next to you. [ laughter ] you're the same guy at work who says, "how is it only tuesday?" because yesterday was monday, richard. that's how time works. [ laughter and applause ] third thing. people are mad that the director of the tsa got a $90,000 bonus last year when his security team failed a test to detect mock explosives. but i think he deserves some kind of bonus for making them [ bleep ] amazing at detecting shampoo. [ laughter ] trying to get shampoo past airport security is like trying to get beer breath past your mom when you're 16. "what's that smell? no, no, no, the smell under the binaca." [ laughter ] binaca's a thing we used to use back in the day. we had beer breath we used -- ask your parents about it. final thing. yes, the tsa is a mess and security lines are long. but let's all do our part by not packing a suitcase full of switchblades, saline solution and loose change.
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if i may take a moment, here at "late night," it takes a large crew of dedicated and talented people to make the show come together every night. and suffice it to say not all of them get the recognition they rightly deserve. so i wanted to take a quick moment and highlight just a few of the people who make "late night" possible. first off, i'd like to point out tom our stage manager for everything he does to make this show come together. let's have a hand for tom, everybody. give it up for tom. [ applause ] i'd like to thank the people that make me look good night after night. two people from our "late night" wardrobe department, donna and eric. give it up for donna and eric evryone. [ applause ] let's also have a hand for the hard working people in the nbc accounting department, say hello to our accountants everyone. there they are. [ applause ] also, right over here, i want to point out sara, our "late night" cardiovascular surgeon. let's give it up for sara, everybody. [ applause ] hard at work. thank you sara. we also have lazlo, the one and only "late night with seth meyers" d.j.
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let's have a hand for d.j. lazlo hard at work up there. [ applause ] ♪ and, of course, right next to lazlo, we have the most popular member of our staff, brad, our "late night" d.j. puncher. [ punch ] give it up for brad. [ applause ] always reliable. you can always count on brad. now, i owe this next group a lot. their job affects me very personally. i'm talking, of course, about my body doubles who risk their lives for me every day. let's have a hand for my body doubles. there they are. [ applause ] thank you all for your sacrifice. next up, i would like to give a shout out to another instrumental part of our show. our "late night" theodore roosevelt. there he is. there's our "late night" theodore roosevelt. [ applause ] >> bully! >> seth: thank you. he does so, so, so much for the show. i don't know what we would do without -- >> hey, seth. >> seth: sorry, did someone just say something? >> yes, i was wondering, how long is this thing going to take? >> seth: oh, i'm so sorry everyone. i almost forgot to introduce jacob mathers, our "late night"
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actor pretending to be an audience member. please give a hand for jake, everyone. [ applause ] also, let's give a special thanks to the real audience member who had to give up his or her seat for the actor pretending to be an audience member. there they are, standing in the back now. [ applause i also want to thank another one of the actors on the show, jessica hanson who played the cardiovascular surgeon earlier tonight. say hello, jessica. [ heart monitor beeping ] >> thank you, seth. thanks, everyone. [ applause ] >> seth: okay, so jessica, you're not really a cardiovascular surgeon, is that correct? >> no, seth, not at all. i'm just a paid actor. >> seth: what about the guy you're operating on? >> oh, he's real. [ laughter ] [ heart monitor flat lines ] he's gone, seth. >> seth: we'll miss him. but we won't miss you. thank you jessica. [ applause ] also, another one of our "late night" actors, last but not least, we have someone here that probably works harder than anyone else in the studio. his name is antonio avila lobos and here is his headshot right here. and antonio actually devotes his
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talents every night to playing the slash in our "late night" logo. antonio, come on out and say hello. [ applause ] >> thank you, seth. thank you so much, everyone. >> seth: now antonio, if you don't mind, i think we would all love to see you in action. >> of course, seth. let's do it. [ drum roll ] >> seth: very, very exciting. antonio rarely does this for people. but he's going to show us -- here he is in action. yeah! ♪ [ applause ] he completely disappears into the part. let's have another hand for our slash and all of our staff members. we'll be back with more "late night." bravo. [ cheers and applause ] ♪
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♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back to "late night" everybody. please give it up for the 8g band right over there. [ cheers and applause ] also, he's back with us tonight, he's one of the most unique and creative drummers in rock.
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from the groundbreaking, grammy-nominated band primus tim alexander has been with us all week. [ cheers and applause ] and be sure to check out their latest record "primus and the chocolate factory" and head over to for more info. thank you so much for being here tim. it's been such a pleasure. our first guest tonight is an actor and comedian who you know from shows like "saturday night live" and "just shoot me" and from films such as "grownups", "joe dirt" and "tommy boy." he co-stars alongside adam sandler in his latest movie "the do-over." which begins streaming on netflix may 27th. let's take a look. >> i still can't believe it. my maxie's best friend, little charlie mcmillan. you know, after all these years, he never stopped talking about you, how you are so successful. became the big branch manager of save and pay supermarket. >> ha ha, you got a good memory, ma. >> i hear he married the prom queen. what was that whore's name again? [ laughter ]
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>> nikki. and we're not married anymore, mrs. kessler. she wasn't very nice to me. >> good, i hope you didn't catch any sores from her filthy -- you know. vagina. [ light laughter ] >> seth: welcome to the show, our friend, david spade. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> seth: how are you? >> good. >> seth: really happy to have you here. >> that clip was a little rough on the ears. >> seth: it was. we found out a lot about that lady's tastes. we know a lot about your ex wife in that film now. >> the filthy you know what. yeah, yeah, yeah. >> seth: so you just got back from vegas. >> yes, sir. >> seth: and i've heard that you have a friend in vegas who is considered a high roller. >> oh, yeah. >> seth: i don't know if he considers himself a high roller or -- >> yeah, he's puffed up about himself. >> seth: now what does a high
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roller actually mean in las vegas? >> i don't really know. but i know they are gamblers. they just -- like when i'm going to vegas and he goes, "dude, you want me to take care of you?" i go, "take care of what?" he goes, "you're like a tv guy. they don't care about that. no offense, but i'm like a gambler. they cover me, they take care of me. i'll hook you up." i go, "i think i'm all right." he goes, "no, no, no. dude, they fly me out there from l.a. to vegas, comped." [ laughter ] i go, oh, my god, that $89 flight on southwest they cover that? [ laughter ] limo to and from the airport with a sun roof. [ laughter ] on the house. i go, oh, that six-minute ride? he goes, "you know it." i go, "how much you down?" he goes, "about 90 grand." [ laughter ] i go, "oh, hey. how do those casino's stay alive, man? you got them by the balls." he goes, "go to the bellagio. all hookers." i go, "what? are they?" i go, "which ones?" he goes, "you know it." i go, "i can't tell." and he goes, "you can tell." i go, "i cannot. i'm telling you, they need a name tag or scrunchy to the
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side." [ laughter ] something. i'm like, are you a hooker? no, i'm your waitress. oh -- [ laughter ] my friend said you might be. but it is crazy, all those hotels are all -- >> seth: do you stay at one? do you always stay at the same one or do you move around? >> i don't. i jump around. i make fun of them on tv and then i don't stay there again. [ laughter ] it's all in fun. these stories are fake. [ laughter ] but my buddy works at circus circus. they just put a new tower up. he goes, "we have circus circus circus now." >> seth: they call it now circus circus circus? >> so i go cool, sort of, cool, yeah. and he goes, "guess what we have coming in 2020?" i go, "circus circus circus circus?" he goes, "who the [ bleep ] told you?" [ laughter ] nobody told me. i just guessed. he goes, "no, no. we went through 20 names." i go, "what could you -- else could you call it?" [ light laughter ] and then i went to the tropicana. >> seth: that's one of the older school ones, the tropicana. >> yeah, they threw a coat of
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paint on it, whatever. [ laughter ] but i was hanging out in the pool, having a good time. you know how -- you know you're definitely going to lose a star on your hotel rankings if somebody poops in the pool. [ laughter ] >> seth: yeah. >> yes, it really is a cramper. everyone is like, "eh, ah, ooh." >> seth: there's no level of room service that can make up for -- >> that evens it out. >> seth: yeah. >> i went to the other end of the pool. i didn't want to deal with it. [ laughter ] >> seth: that's not yours to deal with. you're on vacation. >> because everyone was freaking out and going bananas. i almost got out, you know what i mean? [ laughter ] because i'm a germaphobe. >> seth: yeah. [ light laughter ] you have two brothers, two siblings. do you have a sister as well? >> i'm sorry, i -- well i have andy and katie, they live here, that's my brother and his wife. and then i have another brother in arizona. i see andy and katie here. and in arizona, my brother. he's like the tough one of the family, he does construction. and i'm like -- i thought i was the tough one, i am not. [ light laughter ] it turns out. but he's always like --
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for christmas, i usually give money, probably the easiest thing to give people that they all like 100% of the time. and then he goes, "i didn't know what to get you." year 500, you know. so he goes, "hey, i --" this christmas he goes, "got you this knife." a used knife. big buck knife, bowie like this, open and it's dirty. and there's a little blood on it. dry blood. i go, "oh hey, cool." he goes, "you love knives, i know that." i go, "i do?" and he goes -- [ laughter ] "at dinner you're always like 'hey, can i get a knife?'" [ laughter ] i guess. okay. so i go, great. i don't know how to hold it. i'm like great. then i go, "is this dried blood?" he goes, "that's a funny story." [ laughter ] i'm sure it's hilarious. he goes, "at my apartment, there's a big commotion out there. so i go out there, and there's cops, there's some gang bangers. anyways, they are looking for some guy, killed some -- whatever. anyway, i look down and there's this knife by my feet." [ laughter ] i'm like, obviously what they're looking for.
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>> seth: yeah. >> and he goes, "so i kick it under a car." and i go, right. he goes, "you know what i'm thinking?" i go, "christmas?" [ laughter ] [ laughter ] [ applause ] he goes, "then, you know, i don't have the thing it came in." i go, "the gang member?" i go, "it's fine." [ laughter ] i take it go -- i'll just put it in this bag. cool, man. good job. then, you know, a week later i'm on southwest, of course. man of the people, you know. [ light laughter ] bruce springsteen of comedy, i'm out there. so i get in and i go by the beeper. and they're like -- [ whistles ] they go, "mr. spade." and i go, "hey, did i leave some head shots in there?" you know, whatever. >> seth: right. [ light laughter ] >> some horrible joke. and they go, "step away from the bag." and i'm like -- are they not kidding? then like eight cops --. i go what's happening? they are like, "sir! sir! is this yours?" [ shing ] i go, "ah! oh my god." they go, "it's like a machete."
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you know what i mean? i go, "yes and no. it's like -- it's not mine." they go, "we are going to have to keep this." this girl i'm with goes, "no, you're not." and i go, "what are you talking about?" who wants the murder weapon? it should be in an evidence bag in the courtroom. [ laughter ] so i go, "no, no, that's all you. that's all you." we can keep it? anyways, thank god they didn't really do their job. >> seth: hopefully it led to an arrest. >> yeah, down the line i go, "dust it for prints. some are mine. in fairness." [ laughter ] some are my brother's. >> seth: you're doing a seven city tour right now. you, swardson -- stand up tour. you, swardson, norm mcdonald? >> these bozos, yeah. >> seth: rob schneider. >> yes. >> seth: and then you guys do a q&a at the end of the night? >> adam sandler headlines it. we do a q&a, yeah. >> seth: how is the q&a with a stand-up audience? >> you know, it gets to be -- we started out doing it when it was smaller and we were practicing. but now it's 5 or 10,000 people, and it's like a melee, you know what i mean? >> seth: that's too many people for -- >> because we all come on at the end basically just to say hi,
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and we are all together and hey. and then we go -- adam one night goes, "hey, q&a." and we're like -- and then it's like, "can i get a selfie?" we're like, "come on." and it's like 15 minutes of waiting. "can i get a hug from adam?" and then this guy, "i'm your biggest fan." my biggest fan, i go "all right, my biggest fan." when's "joe dirt 2" coming out? i go, "it came out." [ laughter ] you would think my top ten fans would know that. the guy goes, "i love you all the way back since 'grown ups 1.' i know everything you've done." [ laughter ] that's all i've done, two movies? >> seth: so "the do-over." this is a new movie -- >> yeah. >> seth: coming out on netflix -- >> netflix. >> seth: with adam. you and sandler. >> yes, sir. >> seth: and tell us a little bit about this. because you go to shoot it in puerto rico? >> "the do-over" is -- i love it. yeah. puerto rico. "the do-over." first of all, yeah, we did go to puerto rico. and i'm a baby. and by the way, puerto rico is beautiful. but, you know, they have hurricanes, i guess, all the time. so, i -- you are going to love this, too.
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i go there and i look on the map. it says, "hurricane coming." like, dot of puerto rico, then -- you know, this big orange thing. i go, hey, hey, is that where we're going? and they're like, "yeah. we start monday, tomorrow." i go, "well does -- this thing's coming. should we wait a day or just be smart about --" nope. we land, and they go, "hey, there's a hurricane." i go, "i know! everyone knew it." so we don't work the first day. it goes over us. and then two days later, another hurricane. i go, "guys." so anyway, it comes in, and we lived through that. but the movie you saw in the clip is -- i work at a bank inside of a supermarket. i'm sort of a loser. >> seth: yeah. that doesn't seem like the top. the pinnacle top. >> no, no, no. and i drive a little gremlin and my wife hates me and my step kids hate me. but i see sandler, and we're buddies from high school, at a reunion. he's like, "you never did what you wanted to do, did you?" and i go, "no, no," i'm sort of joking around going, "ah, tough life, i wish i could do it over." then he kidnaps me and roofies me and it gets actually really weird for a second. [ laughter ] so it's definitely one of those
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kind of movies where it's a fun comedy and crazy. but it's different for both of us. because he's sort of out of his mind and i am in it for the ride. >> seth: and it's fantastic to see you guys working together again. it must be so much fun. >> it was the best time and now the tour's great too. >> seth: well congratulations. thanks so much for being here. [ cheers and applause ] >> i love it! >> seth: it's always a pleasure to see you. >> i love it! >> seth: david spade, everybody. "the do-over" begins streaming on netfilx may 27th. we'll be right back with marcia clark. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ ♪ stto a funky flow. ♪
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best-selling author, legal analyst and television commentator. starting june 11, you can see her in espn films' fantastic docuseries, "o.j.: made in america." let's take a look. >> phil had called me and said, "i've got some information. i need to get a search warrant. i need you to tell me if you think it sounds okay." and he just summarized the evidence. and it was huge. okay, yeah, go ahead, get the search warrant, you're fine. and he said, "you know who it is? it's o.j. simpson." o.j. simpson? i was never into sports. so i didn't know what game he played. i thought he was a has been. >> seth: please welcome to the show, marcia clark. [ cheers and applause ] ♪
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>> seth: welcome. this was such a fantastic documentary series. >> it was. >> seth: it's five episodes, 90 minutes each. and you learn so many things. and one of the things i was shocked to learn is that you did not understand the celebrity of o.j. simpson when you first heard about the case. >> well, i knew he was in "naked gun." >> seth: yeah. >> and i remember the hertz commercial. >> seth: uh-huh. >> and that was about it. >> seth: i will say -- i knew he was a football player, but i wasn't old enough to have watched him play. so i also knew him as the "naked gun" guy. which was tragic enough -- [ light laughter ] >> yeah. >> seth: -- for the record, that the "naked gun" guy was having all these things happen. you know, i have to -- one of the things that i feel like this documentary does a great job with is it gives a lot of context to what was happening in los angeles at the time, the rodney king verdict. the very uneasy relationship with the police and the black community in los angeles. >> yes, it does a great job. >> seth: were you aware of all that? being on the inside, were you aware of that going in? did you understand what you would have to -- the hurdle you would have to overcome in regards to that? >> i certainly knew about that. i had been trying cases downtown for ten years before the simpson trial.
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and we were facing the racial divide every day. every single time we had an african-american defendant, that was going to be an issue. it was going to be race. so, the police can't be trusted. they're going to plant on you. they're going to lie about you. that kind of thing was happening every day. so yes, we knew. we knew it was a matter of course, it was just what always happened. what i couldn't know, i think after -- in the most recent -- i'd say in the most recent months, when you see the police shootings, the graphic pictures of men being shot in the back. you know, there's just nothing like that actual grim reality to give you a deeper, more visceral understanding of it. it's one thing to know. i knew. we all knew. we were prosecuting those cops. our office prosecuted the rodney king cops. but i think that seeing the images so frequently and knowing how much that happened, it just makes you understand better, more deeply, like on a cellular level. >> seth: i think -- in -- as time has passed, i think there was this sense of, "oh, that case was a slam dunk." and now, both through this and
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through "american crime story," we are realizing what you were up against. did you ever see this as a slam dunk? or did you know, "oh, based on what's going on right now it's going to be very hard to get a conviction?" >> so i went through -- it was really funny. for the first couple days, and literally, that's all i got. first couple of days, i thought, "this is so much evidence. there's so much. i've never seen in a case with so much evidence." and then it was like two, three days in, a very good friend of mine who was working in compton, which is very heavily african-american, branch court said, oh no, you're toast. " you are toast." >> seth: really? >> the community does not like this case, they do not want it. they are not going buy it. >> seth: what is also fascinating about this documentary that makes it so great is the amount of people who participate. a lot of people in the defense team, yourself. mark fuhrman participates. watching it, was there anything you learned about the trial that you hadn't understood until you got to see everybody else talking about it? >> no. you know, i had to say -- oh, i did. there was something. gosh. i had never known what a great actor simpson really was. truly. >> seth: well, "naked gun." >> right? [ light laughter ]
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>> seth: yeah. >> okay, so that -- >> seth: yeah. as you should have. [ laughter ] i mean, again -- >> fair enough. >> seth: right. >> fair enough. you know, truly, when i watched the series, and i have to say, this documentary is phenomenal. it's phenomenal. i think everybody -- you got to watch it. you got to watch it. it's so good, it's so powerful. and i think that i'm going to go back and watch it again. >> seth: yeah. >> but the first couple hours, they show his football history. they show his career, and it's tapes and clips of him on the field and doing spots and stuff. he comes off as so affable and so charming and so disarming, so self-effacing. you know? and generous with his teammates. it's a whole different person. >> seth: yeah. >> and, you know -- i think people don't realize what a great actor he really was. because in the rest of his life, you will see, you know, in the documentary, what he did with friends and how he really behaved. he just knew how to put on this amazing persona. and i did see that in court to some degree. >> seth: well one of the things -- they talk about his acting a lot -- is the glove moment. and you, in the documentary, made it very clear you did not
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think that was a good idea to let him try on the gloves. >> yeah. >> seth: it really was a television moment. it seemed very scripted, like it shouldn't have happened in real life. >> yeah. >> seth: and he's pulling on the gloves and he knows how to -- because that's the first thing they teach you in acting class, how not to make gloves fit. [ light laughter ] >> i didn't know that. >> seth: yeah. that's like day one stuff. >> another reason not to do it. >> seth: so is that -- when you look back at that moment, does that still give you a pang of, "oh, i can't believe that actually happened?" because that seems to be one of the major swing moments of the trial. >> you know, it didn't feel good, let me tell you, sitting there, watching it happen. and it was also very predictable. you know, i mean -- of course, have you ever tried to put gloves on somebody who doesn't want to put them on? >> seth: yeah. >> it's so easy. it's do this, and this. >> seth: that move. >> that move. that's a great one. that's a classic. >> seth: you pull your hands back as the glove -- you pull it off. >> and then he's wearing latex underneath. >> seth: yeah. >> and the gloves had been
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frozen and unfrozen. not good for leather. so, i mean, it was all very predictable. at the same time, i thought, we can handle this. we have experts to talk about all these things. not only that, but i'll get a pair of the right gloves that haven't been frozen and unfrozen and have him put them on without latex. and we did. >> seth: yeah. >> and we had the expert testify. we had him put on a pair of identical gloves. and they fit. >> seth: but that -- nobody cared. >> nobody cared. >> seth: yeah. >> nobody cared. >> seth: i mean, it was the first tv trial. and one of the things that's interesting looking back on it now is there was a great deal of sexism in how you were treated by the media. and at the time, it doesn't feel like people paid much attention to that. >> yeah. it's interesting, isn't it? i was really surprised to see that the miniseries brought that out the way they did. >> seth: yes. >> in "crime story," and i never expected anyone to talk about that. because i certainly felt it. it wasn't something new. it wasn't a greater degree, in that case. for sure, i don't think that's ever had a judge be quite as openly sexist as lance ito was. but it was a pretty common thing. there were a few people who commented on it. but really, no one cared. it was one of those things
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where -- and i can't say anything. the minute you say -- you raise, you know, sexism, then it's an lame excuse and you can't take it. and you're just, you know, you can't win. >> seth: yeah. i would imagine even more so in the mid-'90s than it would be today. >> i would think so. >> seth: it's still something that people -- yeah, i feel like punish you for even it when it's the truth. >> yeah. >> seth: i want to talk about -- you mentioned -- so you did enjoy "american crime story." >> i thought it was great. i thought it was great. >> seth: it must be nice with both this documentary and that. it seems like the history is being re-litigated in an interesting way. as far as how the trial went, is this a time -- has this been a nice time to have people look back on the trial in a different way than maybe they remembered it? >> i think it's really nice to be understood, you know? and i think between the "crime story" and this documentary, "made in america," i think that people are getting a more complete picture. you know, the thing that i didn't realize is what people didn't know. >> seth: yeah. >> people didn't know what the racial tensions were. people didn't know what exactly was going on in los angeles and in the courtrooms there.
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between these two things, i think you get a really clear picture of the obstacles that were in place, you know? >> seth: sarah paulson was fantastic playing you. and you met with her. you sat down to talk with her. >> i did. >> seth: and did you apologize in advance for the wig she would have to wear? >> i did. [ light laughter ] >> seth: yeah. >> i did. >> seth: 'cause that -- so there it is. that was the perm. >> the first thing i said to her -- we met for dinner. >> seth: yeah. >> most of the episodes had already been shot. >> seth: yeah. >> we met for dinner and i just said, "okay first, i got to start out by saying i'm sorry about the hair." [ light laughter ] sorry about that hair. >> seth: your hair looks fantastic now. >> this is natural. >> seth: it's great. [ light laughter ] but in a weird way, that looks so good that it makes this look even worse. >> even worse. >> seth: yeah. [ light laughter ] you shouldn't have gone that nice. i'm telling you. >> i got to tell you, watching the miniseries, it was really kind of -- and they had this footage of me, too. and i'm looking at that going, "what was i thinking?" [ light laughter ] >> seth: well, i can tell you, there's like -- basically from 13-18 in my life, i hope no one makes a documentary of my haircut. [ light laughter ] you have two sons? >> two sons. >> seth: and one of them did not
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like his portrayal, right? well, he was barely portrayed at all. >> barely. yeah, the first episode shows my older son eating puzzle pieces -- or he threw his puzzle pieces into his cereal and he was eating them. and he calls me and goes, "mom, i was never that dumb." [ laughter ] i did tell him he should sue. >> seth: there you go. i'm glad that you still have the -- and i want to talk about this. so you have been an author for a while now, you've been writing books. in these books your main character is a defense attorney. is it fun to write from that perspective? >> oh, so much fun. i was a defense attorney first. >> seth: gotcha. >> before i became a prosecutor, and now i'm defending again on appeals. handling criminal appeals. and so samantha brickman is a defense lawyer who is -- criminal defense lawyer who is a little twisted, has a dark, traumatic childhood and she pushes all envelopes. doesn't believe in the rules, doesn't believe in any laws. a little psychopathic. >> seth: it must be so nice to be able to write the verdict exactly how you want it to go now. >> controlling the outcome. >> seth: that's the dream. >> that's the dream. >> seth: thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: marcia clark, everybody. "o.j.: made in america" premieres june 11th on abc. the full series begins june 14th
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♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back, everybody. our next guest is the emmy- and golden globe award-winning creator of fx's "fargo." he's also an accomplished author. his fifth novel, "before the fall," will be published may 31st. please welcome to the show, noah hawley, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> seth: thank you so much for being here >> look at you, we're here. >> seth: together, finally. and i really enjoyed the book. >> thank you. >> seth: i read it very quickly. >> yes. >> seth: and what inspired -- what was the jumping off point for you with this book, to write it? >> well, it's -- like "fargo" there's sort of an idea of, basically decent people who are
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probably in over their head. >> seth: uh-huh. >> you know, we now live in a world where superheroes -- where all literally invulnerable are heroes. >> seth: yeah. >> so it's nice to think of -- about a guy who is probably a failure in his life as a painter and he's moved out to martha's vineyard, where i hear you spent some time. >> seth: i got married out there. >> nice. >> seth: and then i came home and she stayed. [ light laughter ] >> in martha's vineyard? wait. so, anyway. so this fellow, scott, finds himself on a private jet, almost by accident, invited at the last minute by the ceo of this conservative news network's wife. and after 20 minutes after take off, the plane goes into the water and scott survives and the four-year-old boy of the ceo survives and nobody else. and so he finds himself a hero, on a certain level. but because of the climate we live in these days and no one understands why exactly he was on the plane. and now the kid's set to inherit a lot of money. and so it becomes this story about good intentions and the road to hell, as they say.
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>> seth: and i will say that when the plane went down, pretty early on in the book, i realized i would be taking the ferry the next time i went to martha's vineyard. [ light laughter ] >> yeah, i think you should. yeah. >> seth: if i find out you have a piece of the ferry action to martha's vineyard and that's why you wrote this, i'll be very upset. >> well, you know, it's the insider trading. >> seth: it's insider trading. >> yeah. >> seth: so what was your path to becoming a writer? is it true that you wanted -- was rock star your first choice? >> i was going to be rock star, and then it turned out i was not a night person. >> seth: oh, that's right. very hard. >> exactly. >> seth: very hard to be a morning rocker. [ light laughter ] >> yeah, and also it's -- >> seth: are you ready wake up? [ light laughter ] >> exactly. yeah, yeah, yeah. and also, it's required sort of living in a van with three filthy penniless men for a long time. >> seth: yeah. that's true. >> and i started writing fiction on the side. and you know, because there's a sense of accomplishment. you write ten pages, and you have ten pages. so i just followed that path and published my first novel. and then my motto is "what else can i get away with?" so i started doing some screen writing and found my way into television and, you know, made the -- the "fargo." >> seth: "fargo" is such a
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fantastically inventive show. i think, is it -- you know, you're two seasons in. you know, you're starting your third. >> yeah. >> seth: and each one, ten episodes, completely different cast. is it make it more fun as a television writer to not have to worry about serializing one season into the next? >> it does. i mean, i was liberated by the idea that it was such a terrible idea to adapt this hallowed movie made by joel and ethan cohen. >> seth: it did -- when i heard about it, it sounded like a terrible idea. >> yeah, you're like, "this is a terrible idea." and the odd thing about it was the network said "we want to adapt a movie," but we're wondering if you could do it without marge, frances mcdormand's character. by which they meant, none of the characters in the movie. and then you think, "well if i'm not including any of the characters or the stories from the movie, how am i adapting the movie?" but that was a really exciting challenge. and then when it worked and did well, then the next terrible idea was to throw it all out and start again. >> seth: and start with a completely new cast. >> yeah. >> seth: and i imagine in this day and age, you attract a different kind of cast when you're saying to them, "hey this is ten episodes, no matter what.
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if it's successful, you are not stuck with me for eight years." >> exactly, yeah. so we had billy bob thornton that first year and we had actors like kirsten dunst and ted danson, you know, the second year. and now we just signed ewan mcgregor. >> seth: which is so exciting. and ewan mcgregor i've read, is playing brothers. >> he is. >> seth: but not twin brothers. >> no, no. someone jokes it's like the directv commercials. >> seth: oh, i see. >> yeah. which i didn't think of before but now i can't get it out of my head. [ light laughter ] but yeah, so one is the older, handsome, successful brother, who is the parking lot king of minnesota and the younger brother is his sort of balding, pot-bellied parole officer who, you know, goes home and kicks the dog when he gets kicked at work. >> seth: now you have a twin brother. >> i do. >> seth: sp you have a twin. when you write -- i have a brother too. when you write sibling stuff -- >> yeah. >> seth: and i know your brother is a writer as well. >> yeah. >> seth: how off-limits is stuff that actually happened between you guys? because he will be able to see it. right away, i would guess. >> you get a phone call. >> seth: okay. [ light laughter ] >> yeah. you do.
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and you notice like your christmas gifts get smaller. [ light laughter ] >> seth: yeah. >> so, i don't know yet. sort of uncharted territory. it's not my desire to appropriate my particular story, but those dynamics are interesting. >> seth: especially with how violent "fargo" is. i hope you didn't have an upbringing that inspires too much. >> no, it was about 40% less violence in my childhood. >> seth: okay, that's good. how did the -- i know the cohens' involvement is sort of from the outside. but you obviously had to get their approval. did you have to go get their blessing when you took this leap? >> yeah, they were signed on before i came on, even. fx had bought the idea without a writer attached. and they said, "yeah, if we like a script, we'll put our names on it." so, you know, i wrote a script, sent it to them. they called me on the phone. and then my son had actually just been born and i was napping, i was wearing him around and talking to some of my, you know, the most iconic directors. >> seth: sure. >> hoping he didn't wake up, which he didn't. but they were nice to me about it. and then we sort of forced them to watch the first cut of the
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first hour because we knew that we'd be asked. and you know, ethan said, "yeah, good." which is high praise from the cohens. >> seth: yeah. >> and you know, i saw them this morning, actually, and they said, "you're still making that thing?" [ light laughter ] so you know, they are really excited about it. >> seth: and you shoot in calgary, yes? >> we do. >> seth: i went to calgary for the first time, but it was in the summer. it was beautiful. >> yeah. >> seth: a gorgeous city. >> not always like that. >> seth: no. 'cause you shoot in the winter, but then this winter, less snow than you needed. >> it was -- yeah, it was a lot warmer. in fact, we didn't shoot this winter, but the last winter was the same. we were actually competing. there's a little movie called "revenant" that was shooting. >> seth: "the revenant," sure. >> yeah, yeah. so we were just competing with them for snow. >> seth: how do you compete for snow? where are you getting it? >> they truck it in from the mountains. >> seth: gotcha. so you would just send your truck first and try to get the most snow? >> yeah. [ light laughter ] well you can't -- snow trucks, you just can't compete with the feature film business. >> seth: i would imagine. >> they've got the best snow trucks. >> seth: yeah. and you have your little tv snow trucks? >> exactly. the little tonka, yeah. >> seth: we got a subaru full of
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snow. >> exactly, which melts by the time you get there. but yeah, but the first year was -- it was all the winter i'll ever need. >> seth: yeah. >> it got down to 40 below. and you learn science when it gets that cold, because propane turns to a liquid at 40 below. [ light laughter ] >> seth: oh my god. >> which we didn't know. >> seth: right. >> and the port-a-potties freeze solid. and the orange road cones start to explode. it's very odd. >> seth: well, i'll have to get up there next time you guys are shooting. >> you should. >> seth: yeah. well, i can't tell you how excited i am for season three. congratulations on the book. >> thank you. >> seth: it's so nice having you here. [ cheers and applause ] noah hawley, everybody. "before the fall" is available may 31st. we'll be right back. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ okay, ready?
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