tv Late Night With Seth Meyers NBC January 17, 2017 12:37am-1:38am PST
[ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> announcer: from 30 rockefeller plaza in new york, it's "late night with seth meyers." tonight -- jake tapper, from "the founder," actor, bj novak, musician and author, steve jones. featuring the 8g band with leah shiparo. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] ladies and gentlemen, seth meyers. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: good evening. i'm seth meyers. this is "late night." how is everybody doing tonight? [ cheers and applause ] fantastic. i'm so happy to hear that. in that case, let's get to the news. donald trump's inauguration ceremony is this friday, which means mike pence's is on monday. [ laughter ] donald trump responded to civil
rights leader john lewis' claims that he is not a legitimate president tweeting that lewis is quote, "all talk, talk, talk, no action or results." said trump, if he is such a great civil rights leader, then why did america just elect a giant racist?" [ laughter ] after civil rights leader john lewis called donald trump an illegitimate president, incoming chief of staff reince priebus claimed that republicans never questioned the legitimacy of president obama's election. and then president obama sighed so hard his hair turned white. [ laughter ] donald trump tweeted about martin luther king jr. this morning, saying people should celebrate quote, "all the many wonderful things that he stood for." he then quickly logged off before anyone asked him to name one. [ laughter ] "he was a doctor. [ laughter ] so --
[ applause ] medicine. the jr. implies he had a father." [ laughter ] donald trump met with steve harvey at trump tower on friday. meanwhile, their toupee and mustache met for a play date. [ laughter and applause ] donald trump's health secretary nominee reportedly invested in a medical company last year, days before introducing legislation directly benefitting the company. wow, i really think this is going to be the straw that the camel barely notices. [ laughter ] that's my impression of a camel barely noticing. [ laughter ] no. is it? was that a straw? yeah, it was nothing. [ light laughter ] because this is a problem for the two-humpers.
[ laughter ] you can't -- the first humps blocks the second one. maybe a straw on the second hump. [ light laughter ] hey, every now and then we overstay our welcome on a bit. [ laughter ] according to a new report, 67% of millennials use netflix, which must really piss of whoever owns the account they're using. [ laughter ] "who's guest?" and finally, according to a new study, 47% of restaurants in los angeles mislabel their sushi as the wrong fish, for example, this is not tuna. [ laughter ] ladies and gentlemen, we have a great show for you tonight. [ cheers and applause ] he is cnn's chief washington correspondent. a dear friend of our show, jake tapper is with us this evening. [ cheers and applause ] from the new film, "the founder", a fantastic actor and very, very funny man, bj novak is joining us. [ cheers and applause ]
and he is the guitar player from the punk ledgends the sex pistols, and his memoir, "lonely boy" is out now. steve jones is here tonight as well. [ cheers and applause ] so we have a fantastic show. before we get to that, presidential transitions are historically a time to unite the country and heal the wounds of the election, so naturally, donald trump has used the time to unleash a series of personal insults against a civil rights icon. for more on this, it's time for "a closer look." ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: elections are stressful times. when they're over, you want to relax, take some deep breaths, maybe listen to some smooth jazz to calm yourself down. instead the trump transition has been like listening to a spooky version of "pop goes the weasel" that you'd hear in a horror movie. ♪ da da da da da da-da da-da da da da da da twitter ♪ [ laughter ]
decrmoats have obviously been extremely frustrated by allegations of russian interference in our election, and that frustration came to a head on friday when georgia congressman and icon of the civil rights movement, john lewis, said that he does not see donald trump as a quote, "legitimate president." now there were some democrats and republicans who disagreed in a respectful way. but as usual, trump took it to a whole new, super racist level. >> this is from donald trump. "congressman john lewis should spend more time on fixing and helping his district, which is in horrible shape and falling apart, not to mention crime infested, rather than falsely complaining about the election results. all talk, talk, talk, no action or results. sad." >> seth: all talk, no action? john lewis was getting beaten by police for protesting for voting rights, while you were starting your first failed business. [ laughter ] and if you're wondering if it's racist to assume lewis' district is quote, "crime infested and falling apart" just because he's black, the answer is a hard yes. but of course, as usual, trump isn't even being consistent. he felt a little differently
about lewis' district, which includes most of atlanta, back in 2006 when he wanted to build a high rise there, saying quote, "it's a great location and a great city. i've loved atlanta for years." i guess i'm not surprised. trump changes positions more often than a porn star with a bad back. [ laughter ] "switch. [ applause ] no, switch, you go -- and then i'll -- and then come around." trump then issued a third tweet later that day, at which point it was up to vice president elect mike pence to try and clean up his mess. >> the president elect actually, in a tweet late last night, invited congressman lewis to work with us, to bring more prosperity, better schools, more safety to our cities around the country. >> seth: so trump says go [ bleep ] yourself and pence says "no, he's just inviting you to engage in some constructive self-love." [ laughter ] and is it me or was mike pence throwing a little shade at trump when he said trump wrote the tweet late last night. [ light laughter ] pence knows he can't take on
trump head to head, but he is going to drop hints that he should maybe tweet in the daytime. but jut out of curiosity, what counts as late last night to mike pence? oh, come on. [ laughter ] "and i of course didn't see it, as it was well past the electronics curfew at the pence household. [ laughter ] in fact, i was likely fast asleep having my same recurring dream about a well-mowed lawn and a pair freshly-ironed slacks." [ laughter ] maybe the most galling part of this whole argument is the sudden memory loss of republicans, who now have the temerity to argue that no one disputed president obama's legitimacy when he was elected. >> i cannot imagine the fallout, the backfire that you would have if a republican would have ever implied that about barack obama. >> you didn't have republicans questioning whether or not obama legitimately beat john mccain in 2008. >> seth: yeah, what kind of morally bankrupt person would ever have questioned the legitimacy of barack obama's presidency? you'll never guess -- oh, you
guessed already? [ laughter ] how fast can you guess? was it right away? like was it before i even asked? you guessed it right away, right? [ laughter ] so for those who remember, trump's tweets like this one -- "an extremely credible source has called called my office and told me that barack obama's birth certificate is a fraud" -- they might find it starnge, to hear him complaining about having his legitimacy questioned. but for reince priebus, they are very different things. >> donald trump's made it clear that certainly over the last few years that president obama was born in hawaii, but the point is -- >> not until the end of the campaign. >> but hang on a second, george, we're not questioning the legitimacy of the outcome of the election -- >> but it is a fact that donald trump was questioning whether president obama was eligible to serve as president under the constitution. >> and many people were george, but that issue's been resolved for years now, and it's been resolved for at least two years in donald trump's mind. >> seth: first of all, it wasn't two years, it was two months ago.
second, you don't get to brag about that. "for two of the president's eight years in office, donald trump did not think he was from africa. why can't you give him credit for that?" [ laughter ] now regardless of how you feel about lewis's statement that he doesn't see trump as a legitimate president, there continue to be major questions both the alleged russian hacking and trump's response to it. although for some gop member of congress, there are no questions at all, like texas congressman mike conaway. who claimed democrats also benefitted from foreign interference because they used mexican entertainers to help get out to vote in nevada. quote, "harry reid and the democrats brought in mexican soap opera stars, singers and entertainers who had immense influence in those communities into las vegas. to entertain and get out the vote and so forth. those are foreign actors, foreign people influencing the vote in nevada. you don't hear the democrats screaming and saying one word about that." as to whether he considers that on par with russian cyber intrusions that aimed to damage hillary clintons campaign, conaway said, "sure it is. it's foreign influence." dude, that's not even apples and oranges.
[ light laughter ] that's apples and russian interference in our election. [ laughter ] there's only one word -- [ cheers and applause ] there's only one word to describe the idea that campaigning with mexican soap opera stars is the same as russian interference, and that word is -- ♪ loco. [ laughter ] beyond the investigation into russian hacking, there are also the unverified allegations of possible contact between the trump campaign and russian operatives. unsubstantiated reports that, according to the guardian, the fbi at one point looked into. now, you might be asking why we're only hearing about this now, not during the campaign. well, it's because of fbi director james comey's claim that he never comments on pending investigations. a claim that he repeated at a senate hearing last week. >> has the fbi investigated these reported relationships, and if so, what are the agency's
findings? >> thank you, senator. i would never comment on investigations, whether we have one or not in an open forum like this. >> did you answer the senator wyden's question that there is an investigation underway as to connections between either of the political campaigns and the russians? >> i didn't say one way or the other. especially in a public forum. we never confirm or deny a pending investigation. i'm not saying -- >> the irony of your making that statement here, i cannot avoid. >> seth: yes, you see, it's ironic, because comey repeatedly made public statements about the investigation into hillary clinton's e-mails that hurt her during the campaign. isn't that funny, hillary? okay. [ laughter ] what all this makes clear is thats as trump prepares to become president on friday, we're going to need strong congressional oversight. and that kind of oversight can be effective, as we saw last week, for example, when senator elizabeth warren aggressively questioned trump's nominee for housing secretary, ben carson,
about trump's conflicts of interest and got him to offer this unintentionally revealing answer. >> my concern is whether or not among the billions of dollars that you will be responsible for handing out in grants and loans, can you just assure us that not one dollar will go to benefit either the president-elect or his family? >> it will not be my intention to do anything to benefit any -- any american. [ laughter and applause ] >> seth: "it will not be my intention to do anything to benefit any american." [ light laughter ] i think that's the closest we're going to get to a mission statement from the trump administration. [ laughter ] this has been "a closer look." ♪ we'll be right back, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] ♪
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♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back, everybody. please give it up for the 8g band right over there. [ cheers and applause ] also sitting in this week, she's a great drummer from a acclaimed rock band black rebel motorcycle club whose latest record, "specter at the feast" is available now. leah shapiro is here.
[ cheers and applause ] thank you so much for being here, leah. also we are so excited this week. welcome back to the 8g band, marnie stern, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] marnie, who does not like when we talk about her is back and -- marnie left for the best possible reason, which is she has a baby boy. wyatt stern johnson, lil shredder. [ applause ] born back in november. so congratulations to you, and thank you so much for coming back to us. >> thank you, seth. >> seth: all right, moving on, our first guess tonight is cnn's chief washington correspondent. he hosts "the lead" weekday afternoons on cnn as well as the network sunday show, "state of the union." please welcome back to the show, our friend jake tapper. ♪ ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: how are you? >> i'm good. i'm good. >> seth: i'm so happy you have
the day off, and you were kind enough to come up here from d.c. to spend the day with us. >> yeah, not much going on. >> seth: yeah, not much going on. [ light laughter ] slow news year. >> take a day off. not much to cover. >> seth: you had a big story. cnn broke a big story last tuesday -- >> we did. >> seth: about how -- you basically reported that the trump -- that donald trump -- president-elect trump had been presented with information that there was an alleged -- that russia allegedly had information -- >> yeah. >> seth: -- that they were going to use to blackmail him. >> yeah, we, uh -- about nine, ten days ago, the intelligence chiefs met with president obama. the next day they met with president-elect trump, and they provided the intelligence briefing on the russian hacking, and then they also provided this two-page synopsis of this other stuff that they'd been hearing from credible sources, but they didn't know if the information was real, and they wanted him to know about it, that it was out there, because they thought it potentially affected national security. so we had the story. i have to say, you got the first on the record comment other than donald trump's tweet, from kellyanne conway.
you obviously had been watching cnn right before the show. >> seth: as i do. you're the person who pumps me up. >> and -- [ light laughter ] and you explained it great. you had all the details perfectly right. i wish i could say the same about everyone else who followed us in our reporting. but you were exactly on target. >> seth: it's obviously very fortuitous timing that it happened right before we came out and talked to her about it. the interesting thing that happened is right after cnn broke their story, buzzfeed approached the same story a different way. whereas they actually published this 35 -- was it a 35 page? >> 35-page memos, yeah. >> seth: memo, which was all these alleged things, and it was pretty salacious, some pretty -- obviously some details that comedy shows are really happy to read. [ light laughter ] but yet the next day was this news press conference, donald trump's first press conference as president-elect, and he sort of conflated what cnn did with what buzzfeed did, and he was very hard on jim acosta, this cnn reporter who was at that press conference.
i believe he said, "you are fake news." >> yeah. >> seth: this must be a crazy time. you used to have that job. you used to be a white house reporter. how -- what do you -- do you feel as though you're under attack being a member of the press right now? >> well, i've been yelled at by presidents and press secretaries before, but -- >> seth: all non-partisan. everybody has been mad at you. [ light laughter ] >> everybody's been mad at me one way or another, sooner or later it happens. and then -- but i've never seen the effort to delegitimize an organization for a story that you don't like that has been proven. by the way every word of the story that we reported last tuesday has been proven correct. it's been corroborated in one way or another by the vice president, by the director of national intelligence. there's not one thing we got wrong. he was obviously trying to get us to stop focusing on the story and just to discredit all of us, and, you know, that's too bad. it's not a huge shock that he would try to do that.
it's one of the reasons that i wasn't happy about buzzfeed doing what it did in addition to the fact that i thought it was irresponsible to put these uncorroborated rumors out there. i mean, that's not reporting, that's just publishing. but that said, you know, that comes with the territory. >> seth: now it must be interesting because it seems to me watching cnn in the days after, cnn then as well as buzzfeed were part of the story. >> yeah. >> seth: as somebody who does reports on the news, is it an uncomfortable time where you are also part of the news? >> yeah, it's not really what we're supposed to do. we're not supposed to be part of the story. in fact, some of the lessons i've learned along the way in terms of be being a reporter, especially in terms of being an aggressive one, have been about learning how not to be part of the story. like, if you're going to ask a follow up question, eight, nine, 24 times, then you do so in a way that is polite, so that you are not the story. the question and the refusal to answer is the story. >> seth: and you know i think there's this idea now --
is the press going to have to sort of like work as one unit to combat what seems to be the strategy that the trump administration is going to use with dealing with the press? is it feasible to think of the press with all their disparate ideas and all the different ways they approach reporting on the news can actually work as one? or is that sort of fanciful? >> well it's a little fanciful, because we compete against each other. but by the same token, if a reporter asks a legitimate question and doesn't get an answer, and then the press secretary or the president, whomever, calls on someone else to try to change the subject, which happens all the time. >> seth: sure. >> i remember when i was the white house correspondent for abc news and president obama did that. he didn't answer somebody's question, he called on me. i said, "well, i have a question but can you answer bennet's question first? i'd love if you answered that." and he's like, "what are you, the ombudsman of the press corps?" [ light laughter ] >> seth: we're definitely going to miss having a president who used ombudsman as a burn. [ laughter ] s >> you don't see that coming on twitter anytime soon? >> seth: "what's that word?
no, never mind. i'm going to go with dummy." [ laughter ] >> it was a sick burn you're right. it was a sick obama burn, ombudsman. but i mean i think there does need to be some of that. >> seth: well there was this idea of after trump yelled at acosta, everybody should have gotten up and left, but of course everybody's not going to get up and leave. >> no. >> seth: you can all get up and leave and then the guy from private jet magazine is going to be the last guy there asking all the questions, and he's going to get exactly the message he wants to get out. >> or trump magazine. >> seth: or trump magazine. >> i think there was a trump magazine at one point. >> seth: there was a trump magazine. >> well, this is one of the things that happened during the first obama term -- and i'm not saying these things are equivalent. the obama white house went to war against fox news and they tried to say that the entire organization was illegitimate. and it wasn't you know, "this anchor is a jerk" or "this story is a lie" or whatever. it was this entire organization, including hundreds of reporters and producers who are just doing honest work, people i knew, major garrett, brett baier. people who are good reporters. when they were doing that i challenged them for that. specifically because it's an important principle to stand up for.
we're all supposed to be in this together. you can't just like say well, cnn -- if you're with an organization that's not cnn and you watch them just destroy us or try to destroy us, just because they don't like the story, which, is again, proven to be completely true, then you're next. >> seth: yeah. >> you're next if you're doing your job and you have a story that they don't like. >> seth: i want to talk about your roots. i did not realize this, that you were you a newspaper man first. so what age are you when you start your first newspaper? 'cause this is impressive. >> i was maybe six. >> seth: six years old. and what was the name of your newspaper? >> we had a naming contest in the neighborhood and it was called -- i didn't come up with -- it was kind of corny. it was "jt's if you please." [ light laughter ] >> seth: "jt's if you please." and this was the neighborhood -- so you wrote a newspaper for other -- like the people on your street, the kids? >> it was probably about five houses. >> seth: five houses. and give me a story that "jt's as you please" could -- >> you know, "brian brown-holt skinned his knee." i don't think -- there wasn't a lot going on in our courtyard. >> seth: yeah. [ light laughter ]
but you were at it early. >> the hielmen's got a new basenji. >> seth: okay, gotcha. [ laughter ] you know i've heard about that. i heard its fake news. everything you said. [ laughter ] i want to ask one last thing. 'cause i was in your office. we did our show in d.c. and we got down to your office and you have all these campaign posters on your wall, but there's something in common with every poster you have. >> they are the losing candidate. >> seth: every single one. [ light laughter ] >> it's the losing candidate in every single race. even -- there are -- if you look closely you can see there is a ronald reagan poster, but it's years that he lost. >> seth: okay, gotcha. >> '68, '76, the nixon poster from '60. yeah, i collect people who did not win. >> seth: and your staff told me it's because you like to say only one winner is allowed in this office. [ laughter ] >> that's good. [ applause ] >> seth: yeah i know, well you can use it. thank you -- >> that's not the reason, but i'm stealing that. that's great. >> seth: there you go. always a pleasure to see you. keep up the good work. >> thank you so much. >> seth: jake tapper, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] "the lead" airs weekday afternoon -- weekday afternoons on cnn. "state of the union" airs sundays.
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[ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back, everybody. our next guest is a "new york times" best-selling author who you know from his work in "the office." you can see him in the film "the founder," which opens in theaters this friday. let's take a look. >> tell me about the land. >> the land. >> the land, the buildings, how that whole aspect of it works. >> oh, pretty simple, really. franchisee finds a piece of land he likes, gets the lease, usually 20 years. takes out construction loan, blows up the building, and off he goes. >> so the operator selects the site. >> yeah. >> he picks the property. >> right. >> you provide the training, the system, the operational know-how, and he's responsible for the rest? >> is there a problem? >> a big one. you don't seem to realize what business you're in. you're not in the burger business. you're in the real estate business. >> seth: please welcome to the show, b.j. novak. ♪
[ cheers and applause ] >> seth: how are you? >> i'm great. it's great to see you. thank you for having me on the show, first time. >> seth: i'm so happy to have you here for the first time. i have known you to be an actor, a comedian, a writer. i've known you to be many things. i did not realize this that you have -- you have a male modeling career that is entirely accidental. >> it's accidental. it's true. it's an international modeling career. [ light laughter ] >> seth: you are -- it's legally, technically correct to say that you are an international male model. >> it is correct. what happened was a few years ago, my image must have been uploaded onto some database of supposedly free photos with a tag like "american guy" or something. [ light laughter ] >> seth: right. >> and a lot of companies all over the world -- this is true -- somehow took this image and put it on their products. and people send me images from
all over the world. [ light laughter ] >> seth: okay. >> and they say, "i didn't know that you endorsed a razor." >> seth: this is real. like, let's -- >> this is absolutely real. >> seth: so this is not a bit. we did not make this. this is a real thing that you saw. [ laughter ] >> this is a very popular razor. >> seth: yeah. >> they make several varieties of it as you can see that there. >> seth: yeah. there we go. this is -- and they were like, "should we use a different face for the other ones? no. [ laughter ] >> this is all across asia, in the philippines and korea and china, and you can see it's not a very good razor -- >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] >> based on the stubble i have here. >> seth: this is -- so this is rainbow art? this is -- >> this is a uruguayan face paint. [ light laughter ] >> seth: this is unbelievable. >> you can paint your face. [ laughter ] you can paint your face like the uruguayan flag, and i'm the guy who did that. >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] that, you would think, you would have looked for art that said "uruguayan guy." >> yeah. >> seth: but they went for american guy there as well. >> i might just be "achievable man" or something. [ laughter ] >> seth: but here's the best.
>> yeah. this is great. >> seth: encounter is a cologne. >> this is a scandinavian cologne called "encounter." >> seth: here it is. [ laughter ] >> i am the face of a cologne, and i did tell the person -- >> seth: so, there you go. this is -- >> who got it. we got this. >> seth: so you actually bought it. >> so i asked the person, "would you send me some? i'll reimburse you." >> seth: and how is it? >> and he sent me about six. it's the worst-smelling thing i've ever had in my life. [ laughter ] should we both try a little bit? >> seth: yeah, here we go. >> should i smell you, and you smell me? >> seth: yeah, yeah, yeah. [ laughter ] >> it's awful. >> seth: oh, it's not good. >> yeah. [ laughter ] >> seth: it's really not good. >> but it's my line. [ laughter ] the nice thing about them just stealing your image is you don't have to pretend it's good. >> seth: yeah, right? >> do not buy this horrible-smelling -- >> seth: do not trust the cologne with my face on it. >> no, but it's a lot like bug spray, but i love the name, "encounter." >> seth: encounter. >> yeah. >> seth: i -- yeah, see, that's the great thing though. i feel like one day -- have you gone to scandinavia? >> no. >> seth: see, you got to go. i feel like you'll just be -- >> "is that encounter guy?"
>> seth: set yourself up at a bar, and there will just be some girl who will sit down and be like, "are you the guy from encounter?" >> yeah. [ laughter ] i don't know if -- i don't know if they still sell it. i mean, it's not a good scent. >> seth: yeah. [ light laughter ] you don't know, though. i may have different olfactory turn-ons. >> they might be like, "the encounter guy." >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] oh, obviously you didn't hear about the legal issues. >> yeah. >> seth: congratulations on "the founder." >> thank you. >> seth: fantastic movie, and michael keaton, as we saw from the clip -- it must have been exciting to work with michael keaton. >> yeah, has he been on the show yet? >> seth: no, he's coming this week, so i'm very excited. >> he's the most distracted-seeming person that i have ever met in my life. he's not actually distracted, but you think -- you don't know if he's paying attention. he'll be like, "oh, that's a cool microphone, seth. and i like those lights up there, and a lot of cameras in the room. i used to have a camera. i used to collect cameras. and tell me again about your tie." [ light laughter ] but he comes back to you. >> seth: uh-huh. >> here's the thing. i would like to have a movie for him in which he plays the first man ever diagnosed with a.d.d. [ laughter ] >> seth: oh, yeah. >> and i'd like to be the doctor who says, "we've never seen this
condition before." [ laughter ] >> seth: there you go, and then -- and he would be the first guy. >> yeah, and then the end credits, it would like, "50 million kids did their homework because so-and-so --" yeah, the brave work. >> seth: this film is about the origin story of mcdonald's. >> yeah. >> seth: a lot of it i didn't know. >> yeah. >> seth: it's a great story. >> yeah, it's a rich, complicated story. >> seth: yeah, and a very american story. >> yeah. >> seth: needless to say. but when you got this part, your friend, your dear friend, mindy kaling, was upset. >> yeah. >> seth: why was she upset? >> well, she feels that she's the mcdonald's person -- >> seth: okay. [ laughter ] >> of our duo, friendship. >> seth: yeah. >> um, so -- >> seth: did she understand that due to the historical accuracy of this film, she probably couldn't have played your part? >> there was no indian woman prominent in -- [ laughter ] it's a good point. she is a vindictive, competitive spirit that i think she just felt wronged. [ laughter ] >> seth: gotchya, yeah. >> because she is like, "i like mcdonald's. i liked the movie." but she is, like, a believer. >> seth: okay. >> so -- >> seth: she's one of those
people that follows mcdonald's on facebook? >> yeah. >> seth: like a friend? >> yeah. when you see that, and you're, like, "why would i ever" -- she is like, "like." [ laughter ] "send me whatever." >> seth: it's a great film, and i recommend everybody see it. i want to talk about this, because you're also an innovator. is an innovator a fair enough term? you have an app called "list." >> yeah. >> seth: and it's a fantastic app where -- >> thank you. >> seth: where different people can basically just put lists up of different things. >> yeah, we didn't invent the ability to do that. [ laughter ] it's like, "this is crazy. so your thoughts are in order?" [ laughter ] >> seth: and you can put numbers on them. you are the first guy who said, "we can put a number." >> yeah. >> seth: that way if you are want to say there's four, you put a one. >> right. it's very simple, but it hadn't really -- we hadn't seen it in social media, just a way for people to kind of trade these lists around. >> seth: you have a list that you wrote -- >> yeah. >> seth: about the things that people talk about at the end of a talk show interview -- >> yes. >> seth: as it goes to commercial. >> yeah. >> seth: that's about to happen here. >> yeah. >> seth: so just give me some of the things that you have said over the years. >> sure. well, there's three things i put on this list. there's three tiers. >> seth: okay. >> if it went really well and
you're connecting when they go to commercial, the host will tell you some gossip about someone you both know. >> seth: okay. >> so, it'll be like, "you know, michael keaton at snl said this thing." you know. >> seth: okay, gotchya. >> that's the best. >> seth: something i couldn't say on tv, but you -- >> or it could be a nice anecdote. >> seth: right. >> something about someone we both know. "oh, mindy said" -- you know, whatever. the second tier is you would continue a story that we had told that you didn't have time because you're a very gracious host, but if it were at a dinner party, you would have said, "you know, my face once was on some bus ad." you know. >> seth: yeah. [ light laughter ] >> and then, the worst level, if you really have nothing to say, was a terrible interview. you didn't connect at all. you lean over, and you say, "that was really great." [ laughter ] "that was great, really fun." so, i hope that's not -- >> seth: not only have i said that. >> yeah. >> seth: that's the heart-breaking thing. >> yeah. >> seth: i'm pretty sure i said it exactly the way you just did it. [ laughter ] >> i'm sure. that happened my first time on tv, yeah. and then i realized, like, "he doesn't say this to tom hanks." >> seth: yeah. >> "that was great." >> seth: yeah. >> "that was" -- >> seth: yeah. i guess the lower tier -- >> there's nothing else to say.
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♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back, everybody. our next guest was named one of the hundred greatest guitarists by "rolling stone" for his years in the iconic punk band the sex pistols. his memoir "lonely boy: tales from a sex pistol" is available now. welcome to the show steve jones, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> seth: how are you? >> i'm good. how you doing? >> seth: i'm very good. i'm so happy you're here. >> thank you for having us. >> seth: i want to ask very quickly about the sex pistols. obviously, you had a very unique sound, but also a very unique look. here's some early sex pistols stuff. were you aware right off the bat how important appearance was to
the band? >> you know, it was important, image. you didn't want to have a tache, you know? i would have got fired if i had flares or mustache, you know, so. >> seth: mustaches were not punk? >> no, not -- not, no. >> seth: yeah. >> not -- not. [ light laughter ] there was a little period there where it wasn't happening. >> seth: and spiky hair was happening. you tried to give yourself spiky hair. it did not go well. >> well, it's thinned out a bit now. [ light laughter ] but unfortunately, at the time, i had, like, a hairdresser's hair. >> seth: uh-huh. >> it was, like, thick, and it don't matter how hard i tried, i just couldn't get it spiky, so i was burdened with that. it was a drag, actually. [ light laughter ] >> seth: yeah. but then, as once the punk era ended, you must have been very happy to have sort of long, flowing locks because -- >> well, i had a later period in the 90's where i grew it really long like fabio. [ laughter ] all the birds loved it. it was great. >> seth: okay, good. >> it was fantastic. >> seth: not a lot of people have great second acts with their hair. >> i know, i know.
>> seth: yeah, that works out really well. >> i'm going to the end. i'm going to the end. i've still got it. >> seth: yeah, you really do. you shouldn't cover it up. it's really great. >> i know. i'm pub -- i'm trying to -- >> seth: but you're publicizing your show. >> my radio show, yeah. >> seth: there you go. you got to keep that hair under wraps if it's gonna mean a little extra scratch for your radio show. >> yeah, yeah. [ light laughter ] >> seth: i want to add this. i found this very interesting in the book, that you admitted that being in the punk scene, you could not tell people other bands that you liked outside of that punk movement. >> yeah. >> seth: so what were some bands at the time the sex pistols were going that you liked that your fan base would not have accepted you liking? >> boston. >> seth: uh-huh. >> journey. >> seth: journey, yeah. [ light laughter ] when you think of the sex pistols, you don't think of them back in the van listening to journey. >> no. [ light laughter ] i used to have to have to go home -- we'd do a punk gig, and i'd be like, "yeah! that's great!" [ laughter ] and back and listen to "more than a feeling." [ laughter and applause ] >> seth: you -- there --
recently, this was the band that was very famous for a very short period of time. >> yeah. >> seth: and you, over the years, of course have had fans coming up to you saying they saw you -- your shows were very famous. >> yeah. >> seth: people wanted to have been there. do you find often that people who told you were there were not there? >> most times. >> seth: yeah. [ light laughter ] >> the classic was when we first played in the states, when people say, "oh, i saw you in new york." you know, we never played new york. [ laughter ] >> seth: yeah. >> or they love your album, and i always quiz them, i'd say, "what was track three on side one?" and they'd be like, "uh -- i don't know. i love it, though. it's great!" [ laughter ] >> seth: you had not played -- you were not trained to play guitar. you taught yourself how to play guitar. >> yeah. >> seth: is it strange to you now that that -- like, what was it like the first time you played on stage, having so little background doing in it? >> oh, man, it was so good. i mean, i'd had a couple of mandrakes.
i don't know if anyone is old enough to know what they are. they're like quaaludes. >> seth: quaaludes, yeah. [ laughter ] >> they're probably too old for them, too. >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] >> right. >> seth: and it seems like a shame. it seems like everything i've heard about quaaludes -- >> no. >> seth: no? >> tingly feeling. >> seth: oh, not great? >> no, great! >> seth: oh, yeah, good. [ laughter ] >> great. >> seth: yeah. >> the best. >> seth: yeah. >> a couple of pints, and i remember we did this show. they pulled the plug on us after three songs. and i'm playing, i'm so loud. i'm through a 100 watt marsh, and we're in this tiny, little place, no stage. and i remember looking over at johnny, going "oh, this is great." [ laughter ] and then the plug got pulled, but i knew right then and there, we had something. it was something unique, you know? >> seth: you -- it's interesting in the book because you've been clean and sober now for a long time, 25 years? >> 26. >> seth: 26 years, congratulations. [ cheers and applause ] but you also -- you also are willing to admit that there are times like that first time you went on stage, there were times when you were lucky to have been not clean and sober.
>> oh, yeah. i could have easy -- i could have easily went the other way, you know. >> seth: well, i'm very glad it went this way. i want to -- it's interesting because of course i knew who you were from the sex pistols, but i felt like i knew you from listening to your radio show, "jonesy's jukebox." >> yeah. >> seth: which you've been doing for a while now. >> yeah. >> seth: did you ever think you would have this act of your career where you were interviewing people on the radio? >> no, no. that was the last thing from my mind, and it was an accident like most things are. where i just -- i was doing nothing, and this radio show started in los angeles. that's where i live. and it was playing all of that music with no commercials. i'm like, "what is this?" and then, i got a phone call two weeks later from one of the guys who was working there and says, "do you want to do some little, 'hi, this is steve jones. you're listening to thingy.'" and when he said that, i said, "i want to be a deejay." it just came out of my mouth. [ laughter ] it was the weirdest thing. it was because i was excited about the radio, and i wasn't doing nothing.
i'm like, "let's try that. i want to be a deejay." and it happened. >> seth: yeah. >> it was crazy. >> seth: and how long now has "jonesy's jukebox" been a show? >> well, i've been on a few different stations. the original one was indie 103.1, which i did that for five years, but now, i've been klos, which is the classic rock station, and it's been around forever. i've been on that for year now. >> seth: that's great. well, i highly recommend it to anyone, mostly just because they get to listen to one of my favorite voices and accents on earth, yours, for an afternoon. so, thank you so much for being here. such a pleasure. >> thanks a lot, buddy. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: steve jones, everybody! "lonely boy" is available now. we'll be right back. [ cheers and applause ] ♪
♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: my thanks to jake tapper, bj novak and steve jones, everybody. leah shiparo and of course the 8g band. welcome back, marnie. stay tuned for carson daly. we'll see you tomorrow. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> carson: hi, folks! i'm carson daly. you are watching "last call," which we appreciate here on nbc. here's tonight's lineup. the music is all about !!! from