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this sunday, president trump st chief of staff mulvaney with his chief of staff admitting a quid pro quo with ukraine. >> we do that all the time with foreign policy i have news for everybody, get over it. >> stunning many republicans. >> i have no idea why he said what he said >> prompting mulvaney to deny his own words. >> i think mulvaney made it very clear. turkey, syria and the kurds. president trump's green light to turkey >> the kurds are much safer right now. >> leads to a bipartisan condemnation by the house. >> the yeas are 354. the nays are 60. ltdown. >> an agreement to
push out the kurds hailed by the president. it's really a great day fo civilization >> and criticized by many republicans. >> what we have done to the kurds will s stessm justin amore than of michigan and bret mcgirk who ran syrian policy for president obama and trump. also the democratic race. excehi butgieg who had his aggressive debate >> your strategy, senator, is to have a plan for everything, except this. >> i will talk to mayor pete buttigieg who had his most progressive debate yet joining me for insight and analysis are, dan balz, danielle pletka, joshua johnson host of 1a on mpr and betty woodruff-swan of "th to sunday t the press. a good sunday morning. this week, we saw president trump test the limits of his
mr. trump, tested the limits of partidand the publndt home how much the public is willing to believe his chief of staff mick mulvaney said, yes, there was a quid pro quo. he had to revise his statement and say there was absolutely no quid pro quo on capitol hill, mr. trump tested the limits of what his party will accept. they joined democrats who overwhelmingly condemned the president's abandonment of the kurds. after vice president pence revised a deal that seemed like and overseas as capitul capitul capitulants to world's faith in relying on overseas, mr. trump tested the america as retired admiral william many rather than wrote, if our promises are meaningless, how will our allies ever trust us in fact as a sign of mr. trump's position, apparently, last night he gave into critics and reversed his decision to hold s florida doral resort
despite that, president trump' apal resilient so far as it has throughout other crises in his presidency his base is showing no sign that om some of our congressmen, even from some of our senator, but now they're all happy. >> but that's not true after a week of damaging impeachment depositions in congress, a much criticized so-called cease-fire in syria, and the admission of a quid pro quo in ukraine, the president's republican support in congress is showing signs of erosion. on monday, the president's former top adviser on russia testified that former national security adviser john bolton called rudy guiliani a hand grenade who is going to blow everybody up bolton describing guilianin ukil on wednesday, the house voted 354-60 to condemn the presidene seeded, effectively, a over to russia and turkey. >> that afternoon, the president exploded in a closed door meeting with democrats after comments from speaker nancy pelosi.
>> i have concerns about all roads leading to putin, that seemed to have angered the president. >> on thursday, th president's acting chief of staff mick mulvane admitted what the president has long denied. >> there was no quid pro quo no quid pro quo. no quid pro quo. >> mulvaney said president trump did hold up aid to pressure its president to assist in a justice department investigation into the 2016 election. >> you just described is a quid pro quo. >> we do that all the time with foreign policymulvaney walked that back in a statement, there was absolutely no quid p and any investigation into the 2016 election. some republicans defended the president. >> mick mulvaney clarified his statt e very clear >> increasingly, there is skepticism, now criticism. >> you don't hold up foreign aid that we had previously appropriate for a political initiative period >> and the so-called syria
cease-fire vice president pence that afternoon gave turkey what it announced that afternoon gave turkey what it wanted, at no cost >> what we have done to the kurds will stand as a blood stain in the annals of american history. >> senator lindsey graham warn of ethnic cleansing and senate republican leader mitch mortgage eachnt, crack continue to appear >> does this now rise to the level of impeachment i think now it does. >> back with watergate, people said it was a witch hunt to ge itch t >> joining me an independent hunt, it was absolutely correct. member of congress, justin amore than of michigan, he left shortly after hearing of the russian interference, he does back impeachment welcome to "meet the press." pa
ce if it works, it works, we will continue from where we left, crushing the heads of terrorists i know you've been in touch with the sdf commander on the groun in 48 hours this expires what's going to happen >> the commander told me he fu the commander icbroke kurdish forces here, led by the eycebut the kurdish commander says it's a much smaller area than he's talking about. they are set up to resume a collision course and while this is happening, therc cleansing under w way. that is a very, very big word, but it is the only word we are hearing right now. already a quarter of a million people have been forced to leave their homes and the kurdish commander saying once the turks restart this offensive, the rest of them are going to be forced out. >> brett mcguirk, i know you've been where richard is at right
now. ethnic cleansing is a strong phrase is there any other way to describe it? >> first, where richard is standing, that is the heart of what used to be the isisin suppe s and women against our friends in europe. that's why this is so imane have to listen to what he's dens 450 kilometers by 30 kilometers, which is the entire -- from the euphrates river all the way to iraq he will then repopulate that zone with 2 million people and claims that that has been agreed to with the united states. u.s. officials describe it as a much more narrow area. and i think kurdish fighters will probably begin to pull out of that much more narrow area. but then to be replaced by these
turkish extremist groups who are responsible for war crimes and other sorts oftr strategic debacle, within 48 hours the cease fire ends. also in 48 hours, president erdogan will be meeting with president putin in soc, particui that are majority kurd there are other areas in this strip that are majority christian. the fate of those areas, unfortunately, as we are seeding all our influence, will be decided by president putin of russia. >> richard engel, the defense secretary announced earlier today on his way to -- i believe we found out he's in afghanistan. he announced these troops are not coming home. they're going to be moved from syria to iraq, which actually already has some republicans who actually supported the withdrawal going, well, what's the point of this now if you're not even bringing them home, you're sending them e doing
in iraq? reporter: well current continue to fight againsttheir friends, their old allies, the kurds, 2 million people wh did t attack them here in northern syria. they'll be leading them to a campaign of ethnic cleansing these extremist groups are fundamental to this entire equation there are about 10,000 of them, according to kurdish and u.s. officials who are now operating in conjunction with the turkish government country, is assaulting, ha paused now, will soon assault nato they're using about 10,000 extremist fighters going house to, terrifying people, putting out videos, threatening to behead people any people
are already running for their lives, heading toward regime areas, heading toward the iraqi border, heading anywhere they can, because they're afraid they're going to be slaughtered. >> brett mcguirk, what is syria now? is it a full-fledged country is it being carved up? is turkey annexing a pfuture of here >> it's always been one of the most complex situations and the situation president trump inherited actually was on the road to some stabilityhe physica the rest of syria, most of it, is under the control of the ion is, but the dominant home for al qaeda, the largest al qaeda safe haven, really, in the world. it's kind of in these three zones.
pretty stable.e northeast wa and we had it about 2,000 american troops. it was peaceful. i used to go in there every couple of months this started to get much harder is when president trump, in december, announced that he wanted to leave entirely he then somewhat reversed that but cut the force arbitrarily by 50%. that sent a message to all the other players in the region here, to puten, to erdogan, to leave it als the situation on october 6th, the president threw this out the window. so i am afraid now the future of syria will be determined by actors who are quite hostile to our interests. putting thousands of troops in western iraq is good because we want to help the iraqis but it's not going to make a significant
difference with one final point. >>ng syria seed so much difference to our adversaries, iran, that's one reason we're seeing so much increased tension in the region and president trump sent 14,000 american troops to the region since may he c tlies he's getting troops t when's sending 14 times the amount gakback into the region. >> excellent point to end on there, brett mcquirk, former special envof isis policy for president obama and trump. richard engel in northern syria for us richard, as always, stay safe out there. joining me now i left the republican party shortly after reading mueller report he does back impeachment welcome to "meet the press." >> thanks for having me on. >> i want to start with the syria decision you have a principle stand when it comes to foreign policy and
you seem to be caught in your own principles you voted present because on one hand you didn't think we should be there in the first place. on the other you weren't comfortable with how the president did this decision. explain this conundrum for you. >> that's right. i think thng ago but when you withdraw troops, you have te prepared an advance for the obvious consequences he certainly knew whaty would do you don't want to wait for pressure to turk toy ease up and then call for a cease fire. >> this feels like a chaotic situation i know where you are philosophically. what do you think we should do now? >> i think it's difficult toit r
i think you can't return the troops into the combat zone. i don't think that's feasible right now. i defer to some military experts on that. certainly if you're going to put troops back in harm's way, you should get congressional approval, go back to congress and ask for approval from the american people. >> the president has talked about this as sort of, hey, he's fulfilling a promise that he made, that troops need to comeel view this move as fulfilling a promise that's bringing troops home from the middle east? >> i think there are people who support the president who believe things he says it's very clear he's not bringing home the troops he's just ste tweeted about tha words versus actions. >> right morning. he's moving troops back into iraq he's moving other troops into saudi arabia and he's using our forces almost as mercenaries, paid mercenaries who are going to go in and as long as saudi
arabia pays us some money it's good to go what happened to the american people having their voices heard through their representatives in congress we should make those decisions in congress and, frankly, we've been in the middle east for way tong we've been in afghanistan, obviously, way too long and should bring people home. >> if there was a vote right now in congress to decide it's time to open an impeachment inquiry -- i know there's still debate whether there will be a vote ot.r republican colleagues after this week, might actually vote with democrats on that? >> one or two. >> we may have hea tre in franc >> realistically, politics drive a lot of this. representatives are elected every two years. they hear from their constituents frankly a lot of republicans will be worried about primaries and they think the president is popular within the primary electorate and he is. >> in order to stick to your
principles, if you wanted to criticize the president and did it as a republican, you would have been voted out? >> i was comfortable stick with my principles regardless built up enough of my reputation in my zikt they know i'm independent and will stand by what i said on the campaign trail. >> but you left the party anyway. >> yeah. i've been frustrated for a long time with the party system i've been frustrated with the way washingtonh the top-down approach to everything in washington, a few leaders dictate everything to everyone, whethe the house or senate majo leader. >> how can you do that you've left the party. what has that meant? does kevin mccarthy still talk to you >> not in a nice way. >> yeah. do you feel as if you can be effective? >> yes i can be moreffective. >> why >> i can reach people on the other side of the aisle that i couldn't reach before.
>> have you been rejected by your former members? >> no. actual actually, you know, they're less frustrated in many ways. when you are a republican and break from the party, they treat it like you abandoned the family or something on a particular issue. so i can be more effective because the people inow. they're more accepting o that i know, vary from their views on a whole bunch of issues. and then people on the other side of the aisle will be more accepting of me because they don't think i'm just going along with the republican. >> is the house the most effective place for you to make your political argument these e? >> i think i'm very effective in the house. my constituentt congressman mie support in the districts that been great as an independent but we do need new voices on the national stage running for national office, including the presidency i don't think that the current
democratic field is sufficient if you look at the top three candidates on the democratic side they're all over 70 years old. the president is over 70 years old. i think that there is a large segment of the population that is not represented in the top candidates on either side of the aisle. and that's something i think about. >> are you concernachmed what? meaning the house impeaches him and the senate acquits. >> i'm more concernewhk congres neglected checks and balances and over the years the executive branch hasom that power inre saf yeah, there are consequences tn powers consequences to not holding him accountable in the house. >> stlt fear -- i heard he will think, boy, i'm untouchable. >> he's going to think that anyways. here is a guy who thinks that nothing matters. everything he does is applauded by people who are afraid of him, frankly. and i don't think he's that concerned about it.
>> what is it that you think that voters in michigan saw in him versus -- was it about him or do you think it was about hillary clinton? >> i think it was a little bit of both. in my neck of the woods on the west side of the state, he wasn't that popular. neither was hillary t of peoplen the midwest. that sonnect with them in a way. and she certainly connected with people in the northeast and on the west coast but in places like the midwest she didn't really connect people were drawn to donald trump because they thought she wasn't connecting. >> 100% you're running for congress or could you run for another office >> i wouldn't say 100% o anything. >> libertarian presidential candidate? >> i'm running for congress but i keep things open and wouldn't rule anything out. >> justin, thank you for coming onet t press." >> you got it.
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financial advisor can do for you. welcome back the panel is here. daniel pletka, betsy woodruff-swan of "the daily beast" and peter nicholas of "the atlantic" wrote the following on friday. the country is entering a new and precarious phase in which the central question about president donald trump is not whether he is becoming unstrung but rather how unstrung he is going to get the question is whether trump's base starts to notice or care that the man elected facing pressures he's never seen before is devolving unmistakably into a different map. joshua johnson, it certainly feels there is something different from the president
this week perhaps. >> not to me people have been talking about whether donald trump is unraveling i think he's unwrapping. there is nothing we've seen that is not at peace with everything we've known about donald trump thus far this is still the same perso who has dealt with conspiracy theories with president barack obama, who was, in fact, born in the united sta network on the apprentice. not learned the lesson that than whether or not donald trump is unraveling, is whether or not a angelou taught us, his base is going to start to i think what's more interesting move away or i would suspect that this remains of a peace with the person they elected so i'm not sure this week for the base moves the needle, what may move the needle is the behavior and how congress may react to that that forces him in another direction. this is him. >> dan, let me put it another way. is this a week republicans i congress get more comfortable with him >> there is no doubt about that when you see it come out in the pages of washington post, yes, i think this is a real split the question is, is it going to
widen or is it just going to remain that way? in some ways, that's up to t tad again. if the democrats end up with a far left s of choices, then the republicans will stick with donald trump ithen maybe you start to see the split become wider. >> i think the last several weeks. i think since ukraine became the central issue. >> since the start of impeachment essentially? >> yes i think we've seen a somewhat different donald trump. i take your point that donald trump is donald trump. but i think that there has been more sort of a sense of defensiveness, a franticness on his part a kind of a sense of urgency on his part to keep his view pushed forward. and i think it has manifested in a variety of ways. we've seen it in the tweets. we've seen it in oval office sprays we've seen it on the south lawn we've seen it at the rally he is feeling under pressure in a way that i don't think he felt quite as much during the russia
investigation. >> at the same time, the shift in his behavior does also predate the initiation of the impeachment conversation the longer he is in office, the more comfortable he is going, f instincts and s advisers tell h. we saw that with the withdraw of u.s. troops without any credeall significant not just because of this trend wise but also because how it impacts his base. a really important subplot of the last two weeks that's gotten loss because the last two weeks were so crazy was the extent to which franklin graham, the son of billy graham, a really influential evangelical christian leader, was part of the conversation about syria once the president announced the decision to pull back, graham actually urged his followers on twitter to pray that trump would
change his mind because of the christian community in northern syria, who the kurds protect but mike pence, close with graham, close with the evangelicals negotiated that cease fi, in turkey and graham said it was great and came out in support of it >> so it didn't take much. i'm curious what you think about the doral decision overnight problems to borer tom reed, new york profit issue, that clearly has to bo rubio, i understand the other arguments that other also make but as a floridian, it would be a good thingn hi to have that eh
pressure on his own party. >> this was a florida thing to say. corrupt. >> you >> rick scott didn't hang wring. no conflict of interest. bring it to florida. it sound like he knew he was putting too much pressure on his own party. >> he was putting too much pressure on his own party. i say this to you before the show this is not just corrupt this is like south florida corrupt. this is corruption >> you are taking those tweets today, brother >> look, i covered south florida for a very long time you and i know that region has dealt in an array of open, naked, brazen. >> pay to play is sort of the first line of the defense. >> the idea that the president would deal a federal contract to himself is unlawful. doral is a bad place to hold this event it's right under the flight paths at mia, it's surrounded by univision, carnival cruise line, it's inland, surrounded by property you can't buttress it on one side with say water. so it's a bad play the idea this is the best place in the hold country to hold the g7 is ridiheus7 cares that much. they have bigger things to worry about. this week they were more concerned with facebook's
cryptocurrency called libra and whether it would harm real currencies like the dollar or the euro in a weird way, at the end of the day, it may not matter that it even happened at all. >> i don't want. donald trump is so ferelly adept at throwing stuff out to distract you from what happened last week. we've talked about this again and again. none of us can remember what the outrage of two weeks ago was i wonder, maybe he did this on purpose. it seemed so ridiculous. it seemed to confirm every single thing everybody has said. >> what was weird the motive to send mick mulvaney out there who created the disastrous quid ans >> it's insplikable but it did ofmulvaney. on to acting chief >> they insist upon calling him acting i think we're days away from that in the kind of things the >> i guess i would disagree with you slightly by the idea tha
this administration has never seemed to be that cleverly strategic in the kind of things they do. it is chaotic in the way they operate. my sense on the doral decision is, he's just got too many fronts that he's fighting right now and just take some of the pressure off, back away and give his republican friends or allies or critics an opportunity tol, thing. >> the mulvaney press conference was truly one for the history books and for people outside the white house, many of his close allies, even before he got to the quid pro quo part, there was a lot of head scratching about th tfat the white house would have a press conference to brag about this particular situation the same week when they've spent tons and ton biden family because of this focus on how self dealing the trump administration was arguing was inappropriate. it was a weird call and obviously did not go the way it hoped. >> it was and as everybody knows mick mulvaney did not make the decision by himself. when we come back,
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>> welcome back pete buttigieg burst onto the democratic primary scene with a pressure of good campaign contribution after that impressive start, he did fall back into the second tier of candidates behind joe biden, elizabeth warren and bernie sanders at tuesday's debate the south bend mayor tried to regain initiative with a more aggressive approach. >> we heard it tonight, a yes or no question that didn't get a yes or no answer your signature, senator, is to except this. i don't need lessons from you on courage, political or personal you can put an end to an endless war without embracing donald trump -- >> will you end the regime is the question >> mayor pete buttigieg joins me, welcome to "meet the press." >> thanks for having me. >> before we start the campaign, i want to get to the situation in syria you may inherit a situation, if you are elected n syria. the kurds are a bit displaced. r
we have multiple nations with troops in syria. what do you do what do you do now we know what you wouldn't do i understand that. what do you do now >> if things are going to evolve in so many different ways, it's hard to gauge the future except this. we know we need to promote stability. we need to stand by our allies and that there will be legitimate turkish security concerns, that will also be a part of the equation right now what's happening is the future over there is being decided by everybody but the united states. russia, iran, turkey and we are nowhere because american leadership has been withdrawn. and the implications of this aren't just the regional security picture in the middle east it's the credibility of the united states ourselves. and the first order of business will be to restore u.s. credibility. not just with regard to the middle east but globally >> one of the first relationships that might need y are not behaving in a way that'e consequences but right now --
>> a suspension or kicking out, some form of >> well, right now what we've got to do is engage turkey as an ally i served alongside turkish troops in afghanistan. that alliance is important it's leverage for us to make sure that we use our influence to prevent bad outcomes like the one that donald trump green lighted that they're doing right now. if they don't act like an ally in the long run, that's going to have consequences. >> i want to ask you about afghanistan, peter barnett reacted to your debate performance. he writes this, over this headline, democrats are hypocrites for condemning trump over syria if it makes it harder fo buttigieg to look america's afghan allies in the eye, the same might be said that buttigself about the situation in we are seeing in northern syria afghanistan? >> yeah. get to -- and, by the way, it will involve negotiations, not a unilateral, nonnegotiated withdrawal
where we have a light footprin presence of counterterrorism specialized special operations troops and whatever intelligence capabilities we need to protect the homeland and no more >> and in your mind, for the foreseeable future, we're going to have some force in kabul. >> the way to end our unending massive ground troop presence there is to have this other footprint in the median term here's the thing, that's exactly what we had in syria a matter of just a few dozen troops, special operators in just the right places, making it possible to prevent the dissent into chaos we're seeing now. so, you see, what was withdrawn from syria is exactly the sort of thing that if we had it in afghanistan would preven endless waicisn is the president is not respecting sort of deals that america has made, walking away from the kurds in particulartrumcut because on on.
>> right. >> but if you don't like a deal that president trump cut, what will you do? >> make a better deal. >> the sounds like president trump. >> no. what president trump doe is wake up in the morning, have a phone call over a tweet and completely change years or even decades of u.s. policy surprising his own generals and country in the process that's not how this works. if we think that there is a commitment, a treaty or a deal that we can improve on, we go to the table and we make it happen. but the credibility of the united states is something that our lives depend on. and when the president undermines it, with things like the action in syria, that is keep its word. we got to be a country known to >> let me move to the debate and the back and forth in particular you had with senator warren. te how she's going to pay for evasw you're going to pay for yours. you said it will be cost savings plus corporate tax reform but you haven't said much after that u willit. ome of the details o
>> we score it out as 1.5 are time.r yourer that period of pan medicare for all who want it >> we score it out as 1.5 trillion over that period of time the vast majority of that can be recovered by rolling back the corporate tax rate cut portion of the trump tax cuts. >> so it will go from what to what >> that will take care of the 1.4 trillion if we revert to the pre-trump level. >> you basically want to roll back the entire tax cut. easier >> governing is easier said than done we have a responsibility to make sure that dollars that have gone to line the pockets of people that didn't need it are instead going to make suhe now to give you a full mathematical answer, that's almost enough to deliver what i say that we need but there's a little bhe savings to the because when we allow the government to negotiate drug prices that actually leads to a return to the treasury so the bigger point here is, my plan is paid for and we have an opportunity to get everybody healthcare, without kicking people off their private plans and without the multi-tril dollar hole tha
appears to be there unexplained in senator warren's plan >> before i let you go, i'm curious if you had any reaction to former secretary of state hillary clinton implying that congresswoman tulsi gabb >> i will say i'm not going to get into their dispute what i will say is we know right now -- >> is it appropriate >> i suppose when you become a private citizen you can say whatever you want. >> i understand that, a sitting member of congress she served >> certainly honored her service as we saw in the debate. i have strong disagreements with her ons wo ticing to interfere with our elections right now and we know a big part of how they're going to do it is exploiting division among the american people, with their information operations we've got to become ha target and as president, i will make sure using all of our tools, diplomatic, economic and security there is enough deterrence that russia or any countrul calculate that it is in their interest to mess with our democracy. >> i wonder if you are
comfortable about -- i mean, throw a charge out there, making her deny it. that's a trumpian move >> well, we got to focus on the task at hand right now and that includes making sure that this presidency comes to an end. that is my focus that, and what happens after this presidency comes to an end. >> so you're comfortable with hillary clinton's critique and how she went about it? >> no, i'm not i'm not getting in the middle of it we as a country and a party have to focus on the future >> pete buttigieg, you have about -- >> ten more weeks. >> stay safe on the trail. >> good to be with you. when we come back, how the nba is hardly alone with u.s. businesses, careful about criticizing china's human rights abuses see if you can guess why (vo) rising rents and home prices are pushing americans further from the places they work. this is straining the backbone of our communities. llfargo has committed one billion dollars over the next six years
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politicians have been grandstanding in their criticism against thecy placing dollars over human rights in chinaaftet manager of the houston rockets tweeted support for the hong kong protesters. why so many other american businesses should be breathing a sigh of relief it's the nba taking the arrows publicly and not any of them. last season nearly 800 million in china watched an nba game that's more than twice as many people as there are in the united states. the nba as a stand-alone business is estimated to be worth more than $5 billion in china.f companies here in america with ties and deep roots, everything from amazon and westinghouse. they largely escaped scrutiny these past few weeks start with general motors, the big detroit automaker currently involved in contract negotiations with united auto workers. the contracttore reality, there
more workers in china than there are uaw workers in the united states then there's nike. they have about 5400 employees here in the united states. compared to 145,000 in china at over 100 factories according to its website. what is more american than kentucky fried chicken well, you count restaurant locations, the c in kfc may stand for china now. as of late june there were more than 4,000 kfc locations in the united states and more than 6,000 in china according to fast food chain's parent company. look, while it's fair toand s s in china is no different than that of many, many american businesses in this country, so politicians who are grandstanding about this issue might want to look in the mirror and decide why their outrage appears to be so selective and why so many companies can legally do what they are doing when we come back, exactly what did hillary clinton mean when she suggested a democratic
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trying to figure out who the front-runner for the democratic party is, sometime ask it if you ask the candidate, they told us who the front-runner is. take a look. >> we heard it tonight, a yes or no question that didn't get a yes or no answer. >> i appreciate elizabeth's but again, the difference between a plan and a pipe dream is something that you can actually get done. >> i went on the floor and got you votes. i got votes for that bill. i convinced people to vo straight too >> dan balz, elizabeth warren, the democrats think she's the front-runner, not joe biden anymore. >> well, she's the person who has been rising in the polls and roughly with vice president biden and is moving in iowa and run a disciplined campaign
i think as we saw in that debate, there are questions she's going to have to answer that she is unwilling to answer. those aren't going to go away. she's going to have to figure froanybody.ower through that. she tried to brush it all off. >> that's right. she wanted to seize back the center of gravity in a way that provided her some protection but these attacks are only going to get more intense. now she's the front runner she will be facing it not from democrats but of course from the president and his allies >> that is something that is difficult for her. this week itself was pretty challenging for the warren campaign she not only had that tough answer in the debate where she didn't give a clear explanation of the pay plan, pretty important for voters but on top of that, alexandria ocasio-cortez and her allies in the house endorsed bernie sanders. that's a big loss opportunity for warren
>> josh, what does this say about biden? >> i think, i said the before, i am viewing the field like they are the avengers and joe biden is robert downey jr. he's the bankable guy. he's the one you can put at the top of the marquis people will show up. i'm not convinced he's the front-runner, getting the fervent response yes, i want you to lead the country. you got one or two ideas i'm so passionate about these guy we know is bankable. he has the barack obama halo around him, understandably, deservedly i think he's the defacto leader right now. in a way it's great for democratic voters. a lot of people democratic voters said in 2016 they don't like to be told who the front-runner is supposed to be if we're going around enthusiasm, andrew yang has a tremendous center of gravity he is getting ignored, lots of the democrats, no, no, no, we like this guy. so i think the fact that the front-runner keeps moving in a way for the democratic voting base is probably a great thing it means they are still driving
the process. >> i think the biden campaign wishes they had the ironman suit. >> i lik robert downey jr. looks old. >> still a bankable star >> but he's not. i don't see joe biden being able to take this back from elizabeth warren she is the disciplined candidate. maybe they'll change around and get back to the top of the batting order with him he doesn't have what it takes hd his own personal discipline he's not ready. >> does buttigieg, if there is anybody in tier 1a, right, dan, not the top tier, this full-fledged second tier in front-runner purgatory maybe >> well, he's d heop three in a maybe the top two if biden were to fall significantly. i'm not predicting that, frankly. but i think that what we've seen with him is that he has clear campaign skills. >> yep. >> but we don't know whether he has a low ceiling.
this question of can he expand beyond that kind of well educated while >> i'm going to move to the bizarre hillary clinton attack, betsy, on tulsi gabbard. first, i want folks to hear it >> i think they've got their eye on somebody currently in the democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third party candidate. she's a favorite of the russians and that's assuming jill stein will give it up, which she might not, she's also a russian asset. ls you, russian asset. the queen of war mongers, it's now clear that this primary is between you and me don't cowardly hide behind your proxies. join the race directly tulsi gabbard is sort of on the verge of not making it into the next debate, but hillary clinton just gave her a lifeline >> either hillary clinton has some very explosive information that none of the rest of the public has access to or she
floated a conspiracy theory o d joined the military, is russian governmentroomed by th that's a skrpsy theory and there's not public evidence for it of course it's understandable that gabbard would respond with immense anger. to be fair, saying that she was using her corporate proxies in the media to conspire her from being a successful candidate, come on. her to be a successful candidate. c'mon, but this particular episode was this particular episode was -- >> criticized her for hanging out with basher al assad that's a fact. none of this is fact based >> not fact based. also i'm not sure like you said i'm not sure it will make a difference at the end of the day. if she had said this about elizabeth warren, totally different story. tulsi gabbard the center of gravity around her is not that long in the end it might not move the
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