tv Matter of Fact With Fernando Espuelas KOFY April 24, 2016 7:30pm-8:01pm PDT
>> today on "matter of fact." will the real donald trump please stand up? >> which trump will we see today? the face off inside the trump campaign over image and message. >> it's a rigged crooked system. >> and, should we surrender in the war against drugs? the epidemic taking 125 american lives every day. plus, could these pulitzer prize winning photos help save lives? a message from someone who cares enough to help. ♪ ♪ fernando: i'm fernando espuelas. welcome to "matter of fact." republicans seem to be getting real about what lies ahead.
according to polls, republican voters are surrendering to the idea that new york mogul donald trump will be the gop's next presidential nominee. trump is looking for a magic number of 1237 delegates. but while he is overhauling his campaign for the big prize, delegates are still committed to three other candid cruz, john kasich and, marco rubio. does that make the magic number a moving target? if trump is close, is close -- close enough? ken vogel is covering the campaign for politico. welcome back to the program. ken: it's great to be with you. fernando: now, you have been reporting on the trump campaign a lot. there have been some staffing changes, some of the ad libbed elements to the campaign are going away. what's actually happening? what is the thinking inside of the campaign? ken: well for a long time, as you suggested, there was a small staff of mostly inexperienced or
antiestablishment operatives who are around trump, and their basic strategy was, as the campaign manager put it, let trump be trump. that is not to script too much, not to put too much money or effort into infrastructure on the ground. there is a sense that that approach has gone as far it can go, and in order to go further and clinch the nomination either in the last contests on june 7 or at the convention, you need a more professional experienced team that's going to put a lot of time, energy and money into courting these delegates on a county by county, state by state basis and ultimately on the convention floor. fernando: now there is some talk about changing the rules of the convention, some proposals that some of the delegates are starting to put forward. the rnc has said, don't change the rules before the convention. there is a risk if rules are changed that deprive trump of the nomination that there will
be some kind of a rejection of the party -- i won't use trump's words. how is that playing out? are there going to be changes to the rules? ken: i think there will certainly be an effort to do that. it's interesting that the rules, the changes that have been proposed so far, it's not clear how they would impact the convention and who they would favor. so there will efforts though, especially if trump doesn't reach that 1237 delegate threshold on june 7. to change the rules, there will be efforts by supporters of cruz, kasich or even a candidate whose name has not appeared on ballots potentially, like paul ryan, or maybe a mitt romney, to try to sort of shake the rules so that a person could be nominated in an open convention and win the nomination. you hear trump, as you suggested, doing a lot of complaining, suggesting that system is rigged and that his supporters would turn away from the party if the rules were changed or if he were deprived
of then nomination under the current rules. that's smart politics by trump. he is working the refs and laying the groundwork for him to be able and his supporters to be able to work that rules process to make sure that he too has people in there advocating for rules that would favor him at the convention. fernando: now when you look at the polling, a majority of republicans think trump will be the nominee but similarly in recent polls a majority don't want him to be the nominee. so, what's happening there? does he have the support of republicans or is it a really a state by state basis in the primary and then we'll see what happens? ken: he certainly doesn't have the support of the republican establishment. some of the changes that we discussed on his campaign are i think, are intended to assuage the concerns of the republican establishment, to give them the confidence that he is going to be sort of a more polished, controlled, on-message candidate in the general so that they won't put up a big fight at the convention if he comes in just short of that 1237, they'll be more predisposed to allow him
to win the nomination. as for the base of the party, it's a problem for him. it's a huge problem, frankly, for hillary clinton. the base of her party as well. so if we see a trump v. clinton general election, two candidates with very high unfavorables and not a whole lot of folks who don't have firm opinions on them, it could get very ugly because we would see the efforts by both sides to drive down turnout on the other side by driving up the negatives, and that means attacks ads. fernando obviously, new york was : a huge victory for trump. do you see his shift, his rapid shift to a more presidential style as surprising, or is it inevitable? ken: yeah, there is a real tension within the trump campaign between those folks that want to "let trump be trump" as the campaign manager puts it, and those who think he needs to change. and that tension is playing out with trump on a day to day basis. it's almost like we in the press and we who follow the campaign,
are wondering which trump will we see today? will we see the presidential trump who maybe lays off on twitter and called ted cruz senator cruz, or we will see the trump who flies by seat of his pants, who's hurling insults on twitter and calling ted cruz lyin' ted and going after him in a real visceral way. that's a change, because before we would only see the trump who is really hurling the insults and going after his opponents on twitter. so maybe to some extent he is evolved, but it's not a complete evolution yet. fernando: and last question, you've seen both versions of trump -- who is the real trump? ken: if i had to guess, i would say it is probably the one who reacts more viscerally and is not as controlled and on-message. but, that said, trump has evolved over time as well, and we've seen him in fact, we see video and written comments from him, quotes from him from decades ago that make the stuff that he is saying now on the
campaign trail seem tame. so if there is an evolution, it seems to be headed toward a moderate, controlled presentation, but we are not all the way there yet. fernando: ken, thank you so much for joining me today. appreciate it. >> next on "matter of fact," america behind bars. is the cost of this war killing our economy? >> the war on drugs is really a threat. >> then, saturday night laughs. >> that's why heroin am combines five milligrams of caffeine with a small pile of cocaine. >> is comedy crororo fernando: a nationwide drug
and according to the cdc, more people die from drug overdoses than from car accidents. is the war on drugs a failed strategy for america? i spoke with marc morial, president of the national urban league, at his office in washington. marc: we have 5% of the world population and 20% of the jailed population in the world. what is going to happen if we don't fix the justice system? marc: we have to fix the justice system, because the war on drugs, the policy of mass incarceration as it has evolved in this country is really a threat to the body politic of america. i think the number that strikes out for me is 50% of those who are incarcerated in this country are there for nonviolent offenses, a substantial portion are there for drug type offenses, and so what we have done in many respects is responded to a public health
crisis with an incarceration and imprisonment strategy and it isn't working. at the state level, it's costing the state $80 billion a year and that's a conservative number that doesn't count the cost of prosecutors and sheriffs. so we have got to change it. it's an issue, it's an issue of justice but it's also an issue of common sense economics. fernando: right. but it's a business. there are private prisons. i know in different states when people are looking at drug reform laws, one of the big funders against those laws are unions of prison guards. so it seems like it's a complex -- marc: all of those - yeah, it's a cartel, . that speaks to what we have done around economic development if we have allowed incarcerating individuals to be the big
business of a town or county. which is why fixing this is complex but we shouldn't see incarcerating individuals as a profit center and that's what the privatization of prisons has done. fernando: well, the data is very conclusive, at least california where i am very familiar with, it costs roughly $50,000 to incarcerate a person and about $12,000 to educate a child. the math doesn't work. it does benefit some industries. what do we do about it? marc: let's say we have to balance doing criminal justice reform in a fashion that also preserves public safety. now that's an important debate for us to have that we have balance the two. but i also think that this will be an incomplete effort if we don't focus on reentry, if we don't understand that men and women who emerge from jail many times, they need job training, they need transitional housing, and they in many instances need
mental health, alcohol and drug rehab. we have to rebuild the reentry system in this country and i think if we looked at the $80 billion that is spent and we just presume we could reduce that number by 40% and take half of the money and put it in prevention and half of the money and put it in reentry, we could definitely improve communities. i would say to skeptics who are out there, what this system of mass incarceration has done is elevate the number of recidivists and repeat offenders. and we don't need to do more of the same. we need to begin to do something very different. fernando: thank you very much. >> see the extended interview with marc morial on our website, matteroffact.tv. listen to the conversation about re-entry, and the restrictions on voting, jobs, and education facing those who come out of our prisons. then send your thoughts.
fernando: for many of us, it's difficult to face the misery of these heartbreaking images of the refugee crisis in europe. these photographs, seen through the eyes of photographers from the new york times and reuters, both shared the pulitzer prize for breaking news photography, documenting the migrant struggle to survive. suffering through perilous treks, only to arrive on the shores of greece before attempting another passage to freedom through other parts of europe. by bus, by boat, but mostly, on foot. let's not turn away. our next guest faces the
struggles each day. doctors without borders helps people throughout the world by delivering emergency medical aid to people in conflict and disaster zones. jose hulsenbeck is the head of mission in greece. she joins me now from athens. fernando: welcome to the program. jose: thank you very much thank -- and thank you for having me. fernando: thank you. you're in greece right now. can you describe the latest developments in the refugee crisis? jose: the main latest development, that you have quite a large group of people, almost 50,000 people in greece, who are stuck in a situation where it is very unclear what their future is going to be and they're in accommodations that are not sufficient for a long time. they are in camps, they are in locations that used to be meant more for transit. and i think that's the situation right now. fernando: you said that they are precarious and perhaps
overfilled. can you give us a sense of what you see? jose: well what we see is ,we work in idomeni, which is a location that was initially meant as a transit camp where approximately 12,000-15,000 people have become stuck in a location that's not set up to be a camp. there is not enough facilities. people are living in small tents and continually on a day to day having to figure out what their future is going to be. i think that is the main thing. it is the uncertainty. it is the lack of access to information to understand what their future is going to be. fernando: what is the human condition? how are people arriving? what's their state when they arrive? jose: well, i mean predominantly for greece the number of arrivals has gone drastically gone down. the eu-turkey deal, as it's
known, has had that effect. that means that people are finding other routes and those routes are very clearly more dangerous. fernando what's your expectation : of the next month or two months? is it going to get better? do you think there are some mechanisms through the eu to make the situation better for all the refugees? jose: i mean, i think on paper there are mechanisms. the question is, how are they going to be implemented and what does it mean for the individual? the individual who is now maybe staying in a camp in a remote location with not the right facilities that they need to at least have a dignified life. so how long is that going to be , and i think that's the question that no one can answer. fernando: and so as people here in the us look at this evolving tragedy, is there something we can be doing to help people like you and organizations that are trying to make the situation a little bit better? jose: well i mean, in the end, i
think greece needs support, but i think it is also important -- the best support is making sure these people and up in the places where they need to end up and where they can start , rebuilding their lives and dealing with the traumas they have experienced. fernando: jose, thank you so much joining me today, good luck in greece. the european union says it is overwhelmed by the millions of refugees already granted entry. in a controversial deal cut in march, greece has begun to deport some of the latest newcomers. but as europe considers its options, at least 50,000 refugees remain in limbo in greece alone. re copsng up next, a turning the tide in baltimore? and "saturday night live" under , fire. >> so i can get jacked on skagg, then get to work. >> should their humor be politically correct? fernando: next tuesday is
primary day in connecticut, delaware, pennsylvania, rhode island, and maryland. but for a moment we focus onon baltimore. residents there may be casting the most consequential votes in at least a generation, as they seek new leadership for their city. just 24 hours later, on -- the city will mark the anniversary of freddie gray's funeral and the civil unrest that followed. "matter of fact's" baltimore affiliate, wbal-tv 11, captured these images of that day. fires. looting. destruction. >> i have declared a state of emergency. at the request of baltimore city. fernando: baltimore was at the tipping point following the death of 25-year-old gray, an african-american man who died of an injury medical examiners say he suffered, while in police custody.
>> the whole world is watching. fernando now, in a prime time : special "baltimore rising," wbal tv documents the soul searching of the past year, and the ways neighbors, businesses, police, and leaders are working to create a stronger community. we encourage you to watch "baltimore rising," live streamed for the nation on wbal tv.com, this wednesday at 7pm eastern. >> when we return, is this "saturday night" sketch funny -- or offensive? we mak fernando: now in it's 41st
commercial for heroin a.m. >> i want to use heroin but i also want to get stuff done, that's why i reach for heroin am. fernando: and this one takes aim at recent religious films, with a trailer for a movie "god is a boob man." both got viral reactions. mothers of addicts expressed outrage over the heroin skit turning a serious health epidemic into a joke. pat boone took issue with the skit about religious movies, accusing the show of being anti-christian and anti-semitic. that dialogue reveals the real intent of the show. besides being free expression, the skits are intended to spur a reaction and get people talking. that being said, i react to skits about immigrants, latinos, and other marginalized communities. so i understand that anyone who identifies with, or is deeply affected by a subject, feels pain instead of humor. but crusading against "snl" won't help.
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