tv Matter of Fact With Soledad O Brien KOFY October 29, 2016 9:00pm-9:31pm PDT
announcer: today on "matter of fact" -- come along to the big apple for a view of politics in a new york state of mind. >> i grew up in new york. announcer: a g.o.p. operative talks about trump's political brand. what happens if he loses? >> i heard stories at construction sites before he was as big as he is now. announcer: plus, radio shock waves. dean: i'm your muslim friend. announcer: a comedian takes your questions on the air. turning fierce critics into friendly followers. and new york's first lady sits down with soledad. what drives her to advocate for people suffering with mental illness. but first -- soledad: i'm soledad o'brien. welcome to "matter of fact," from new york city.
>> ♪ soledad: with just days for candidates to make their final case to voters, polls show a tightening presidential race. republicans are looking to gain lost ground after some difficult weeks for donald trump, hoping to hold control of the senate and minimize any loses in the house. ed "obi" o'brien murray has been called a conservative campaign jedi. he's currently trying to help a republican land an open house seat. he knows the challenges of defining your candidate, in relation to the top of the ticket. it is nice to have you here with us. mr. murray: thank you for having me. soledad: i said "obi" as a nick name. as an obrien myself, somewhere related. what does it mean to be a jedi of a conservative campaign? mr. murray: some reporter did that after i won a race years ago. soledad: i thought it meant like, "ahhh!" it seems like this might be a
time in a campaign cycle where you are doing every jedi trick to help your candidate to manage to win. is he in a delicate balance of both embracing donald trump and pushing away from trump? is there a moral imperative - i'm a conservative, i should be embracing someone who believes and conservative principles? mr. murray: the republican primary voters nominated trump, he won. there was a lot of effort stop him, but he won. now it's time to determine the next president and your choice between two people. when you look at other people on the ticket that are not the major parties at this point, that becomes a question of a protest vote. what does that do? at the end of the day no one but , clinton or trump will be the next president, and that's what it is at the end of the day when you choose between those two. soledad: what happens post-election when its over and we move on? what happens to the g.o.p.? mr. murray: i think the g.o.p. comes out fractured.
every nominee has that problem when they lose. soledad: but there are so many people like you who have been g.o.p. for a long time, people who were surprised by the trump voter. there have been many articles by people in leadership position who are like "i don't even know , anyone voting for trump." mr. murray: the question is what this energy does after trump. soledad: but some of that energy is attacking people in the g.o.p. at the high level. senator mccain is a great example. some of that energy is attacking those republicans who could win races with more support internally. mr. murray: more support internally is all relative. if you were doing things differently and you had internal support, what would happen to the people rising up? the tea party people, the excitement they brought in 2009 and 2010 and all the way up to now were about a movement. what happened with that movement is the men and women behind it say we have done this for seven
years now, but what have we changed? donald trump tapped into that disappointment they had. soledad: earlier on, basically the leadership of the r.n.c. to -- said to many people working for candidates, "do what you can for your own person." if top of the ticket is a problem, do what you have to do. mr. murray: actually, they always say that. they don't say it as publicly, but behind the scenes. everyone knows that. you have to run that race to win your seat. that's what you have to do. soledad: what do you think happens? five years from now, we're talking again, what does the g.o.p. look like? mr. murray: i think the g.o.p. will be strong. i don't see a problem with that. in, the pollses whe show she is, but momentum is a tremendous thing. turnout is important. i think the national polls will be interesting. soledad: demographics are working against a party that is appealing to the white, working-class voter. mr. murray: the working-class voter is important at this point.
it's something the party hasn't been strong with in the past, and this is bringing them to that voter. what do you do after this on november 9? what does donald trump do with the base that he controls if he doesn't win this election? because that base he has now, sarah palin in 2008 after her election, she lost and went off and is a lot quieter than she has been. but what she was able to do was use her donors, and endorse someone, and swing primaries across the country. by doing that, that's going to be something he can play in the political process and elect people and settle scores if that's what he cares to do. soledad: we could sit here for hours and talk about the future of politics in america, but hopefully you'll come back and chat with me. announcer: coming up next -- the campaign ad that could change the face of congress. would you be swayed by the message? then -- her daughter is recovering from depression. >> people don't realize how serious it is. it's a real disease. announcer: what you need to know
soledad: trump says they are wrong. donald trump: they are phony polls put out by phony media. soledad: hillary clinton warns supporters not to get complacent. hillary clinton: we are going to keep working really hard to reach as many voters as possible. soledad: while trump appears to be going it alone, clinton is pushing beyond her own campaign, now shifting her focus on the down ballot. odd-makers say democrats are likely to take control of the senate. fivethirtyeight.com has been following the state of play from the beginning. considered to be the "new york times" of political websites, it has become a must-read this election season. clare malone is senior political editor for the data-driven journalism site. i spoke with her at their new york headquarters. it's hard to believe to believe
it might not be over when it is finally all over in november. let's talk about rigging. what does that do to voters, a rigging conversation on one hand, and also the idea that someone has more distance in the polls sends voters different directions doesn't it? ms. malone: yeah, for trump, that's an appeal for his base. if you are looking from a strategic clinton point of view, you want to make sure that your voters are turning out on election day. and she wants in particular black voters to turn out. that is the constituency that they are worried about getting obama level numbers. it's been shown that if you talk about rigging, problems at the polling place, that can depress minority populations. from a strategic point of view, a g.o.p. point of view. i think it is safe to say it's probably something the clinton folks are worried about. soledad: early on, many people were voting for candidate as a move against the other candidate. if you hated trump, you were pro-clinton.
we're actually seeing that shift, because the reverse was true too, if you hated hillary you were going to vote for trump. that's becoming more a pro-candidate vote. ms. malone: it's funny because they are both sort of -- they are candidates with historically high unfavorable ratings, but i think something like the debates, you have those three debates in a row that she sort of unequivocally won. and i think that did good things for her favorability numbers where people said, face to face, these choices are she was competent in the face of, i would say, trump's giving vague answers on policy. i think those public appearances, those long periods of time where she was able to t out her message do say something about competency. and voters say, hey, maybe she is better than i thought she was. soledad: many of the conversations are shifting now to the down ballot. you certainly see clinton maneuvering the conversations to down ballot races. looking at nevada, you have heck
versus masto. ms. malone: well, i think that democrats are bringing out the big guns with obama there. also the fact that it is harry reid's seat. they want to make sure -- it's a symbolic choice also in addition to the fact, you know, nevada has a base of voters that is the future of the democratic party in places like nevada and arizona where there are a lot of latinos. soledad: when we talk about missouri and you have kander v. blunt, kander the democrat. regardless of whether you love him or hate him, watching kander put together the ar-15 blindfolded was riveting tv. ms. malone: it is the power of television. he is a young guy and the fact that he does have military service on his record in a place like missouri where the down ballot -- it's pretty red in the presidential column, but down ballot people are more likely to consider a democrat. i am aotes the idea centrist democrat who can get stuff done in washington.
soledad: and the following one that i am interested in is ayotte and hassan, mostly because watching her gymnastics around trying to distance herself from donald trump, while also embracing the donald trump voter, has been really interesting to watch her sometimes flail and sometimes do it successfully. ms. malone: i think actually i she is a perfect example of what is happening at a local level of republican parties where people are sort of, there is a huge partisan divide in our country and you want your team to win. but there is a bit of a discomfort on a personal level, and that's been interesting and sometimes uncomfortable to watch both candidates and the local level people deal with that. soledad: you know, that's probably the phrase, "uncomfortable to watch," that kind of defines the last 16 months. i think that's fair to say. clare malone from fivethirtyeight, nice to see you. thanks for talking with us. ms. malone: thanks for talking with me. announcer: up next -- do you know someone suffering with anxiety or depression? >> it's not about snapping out of it.
announcer: new york city's first lady on what america can do to pull people back from the edge. and later -- he's a one-of-a-kind radio comedian. how he uses good humor to turn rants into raves. because she doesn't know that it kills 40,000 californians... every year. because she doesn't understand what ccer is. because she can't spell emphysema. because she is a butterfly, who fights fires. because she is my daughter, and the surgeon general says that raising tobacco taxes... is a proven way to make sure she never smokes. that's why i'm voting yes on 56.
soledad: if you have a loved one suffering from mental illness, our next guest can identify with your struggles. one-in-five people in america suffer from mental illness, potentially robbing them of decades of healthy living. chirlane mccray, new york's first lady, knows the issue firsthand. her daughter is in recovery from depression and substance misuse. she's using her platform as an advocate to launch a 24/7 hotline to connect new yorkers to counseling, intervention, and treatment services, with the hope that it could become a model for the nation. nice to have you with us.
mrs. mccray: great to be here. soledad: walk me through how this hotline works. mrs. mccray: absolutely. someone calls suffering from anxiety, the counselor will ask that person a number of questions and connect that person to a provider for long-term care. they are not going to stop there. they will make sure the person gets connected. it will be a warm hand off. they will wait until there is an answer on the other line. and if the person wants, there is a follow-up call. did it work? was it a good match? did you get to the appointment? someone who is depressed might not have the motivation to get up in the morning and get to the appointment. we want to make sure there is a real connection made. that people are actually getting the services they need. because mental illness is treatable. soledad: what did you learn
dealing with your daughter's depression? i do think when it comes to depression, people say snap out of it, bounce back, be happy, things that professionals say are useless. mrs. mccray: that's right. i learned that people don't realize how serious it is, that it is a real disease, that there is treatment. it's not about snapping out of it. one of the things we have tried to do with our public awareness campaign is to get that message across to people so they understand the signs and symptoms of when someone is really suffering and could use more professional help. soledad: do you think this could become a model for the nation? or do you think this is something that will work in new york city and start and end there? mrs. mccray: we like to say, "if it can work in new york city, it can work anywhere." and we want to be as successful as possible with this service. we know many other cities could
use a service like this. i did not tell you that we are also providing trained counselors who speak spanish, mandarin, cantonese, and other languages. soledad: it is not inexpensive. mrs. mccray: the service itself? soledad: it's free to the people who are calling. but for the city to fund this with the languages and support across every level, its not cheap. mrs. mccray: i think it is actually. you have to take into consideration we lose so much money by not treating this properly. we estimate $14 billion in lost productivity because we are not dealing with mental illness and substance misuse in the right way. for example, we have 70,000 alcohol related emergency room visits to hospitals because they weren't treated because of alcohol alone.
we know that people lose many years of their life because of substance use disorders, and they lose their life as well. soledad: i'm looking forward to chatting again in a year and reassessing how many calls, how will it did, and if it could be a model for the nation. mrs. mccray: you don't have to wait a year. we'll have numbers sooner than that. soledad: chirlane mccray, new york's first lady. nice to have you. announcer: congress has mandated a set-aside of $12 million for opioid and harrowing treatment services in states with the highest need. -- we return >> who's your friend? announcer: why this comedian is trying to change minds, one listener at a time. then -- skeletons your closet?
soledad: welcome back. america's comedians have played a serious role in this election. one comedian, new jersey native dean obeidallah, works to get a laugh while making a point on his radio show, in comedy clubs, and through his writing. as an american-muslim, the election this year has given rise to a more urgent message. dean: there's something wrong. i want to be your muslim friend. that's how i start my radio show every day. >> he's a muslim, he's a writer, he's a comedian. dean: hello, friends. i'm here to be your muslin friend. i get tweets and emails, 'i've never met a muslim before." you're my muslim friend, the first person i know as a muslim. that's so much the issue. today is a very special edition.
i'll read the first email from a man who identifies himself as shane. "why not pack up and go back to palestine? you're not funny and you don't belong here." i got that email by shane today, and it really meant something to me. shane, i was born here. after two or three emails, the first few were cursing at me and 'go back to your country' -- but the third one was i cannot believe he responded to me. he wrote, "i'm just surprised you actually answer emails. i'm just another mad american who's frustrated." they don't really want me to go back to my country. they want their life to be better. my country is new jersey. am i going back to jersey? fine, it's an 8-minute drive. it's not gog to change their lives. what i think will change their lives is someone listening to them. >> welcome to the 13th annual comedy festival. difficult for me personally, these attacks by trump and before that, carson and cruz, are personal.
it was more challenging to write the jokes because i'm angry and i'm upset. i think that we are under siege. i don't think the community has ever felt more under the gun, more demonized. the human consequence is hate crimes against us, making it more difficult for young muslim americans to be american. so when someone calls you names on facebook or twitter, and you're really upset -- you can't really do much about that. >> well, you could -- dean: i think we have to have civil conversations where we both accept the fact that we are fellow americans. we are not enemies. we disagree on issues. i think that is kind of lost in america now. how are you, my friend? it's a conversation that has to be had. nothing goes away. no social ill has been resolved by silence. you have to talk about it and address it. announcer: send us your thoughts. tweet us @matteroffacttv. check in on facebook and connect with our video site to view and
soledad: in the face of uncomfortable and volatile politics, americans choose to laugh. at least on halloween. you might recall the halloween episode of the sitcom "how i met your mother," when ted mosby wore a hanging chad. this year, the "washington post" has come up with a list of their own politically-themed costumes. their list doesn't include clinton or trump, or ken bone, the guy in the red sweater who blew up the internet at the second presidential debate.
you could be a taco bowl from trump tower in new york. or you could present your woman card and deal it in. why not grab a friend for a puppet costume duo? whatever you choose, have a happy halloween. for "matter of fact," i'm soledad o'brien, see you next week back in washington, d.c. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
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