tv Matter of Fact With Soledad O Brien KOFY January 28, 2017 7:00pm-7:31pm PST
welcome to "matter of fact." the negotiating position is simple and direct, america first, as president donald trump focuses on international trade and security agreements. foreign leaders are calling. british prime minister theresa may is the first foreign leader, to meet with the new president. the economy and nato's status topped the agenda on friday. but future meetings with mexico's president, enrique pena nieto, are in jeopardy. trump's presidential order to beef up border security with new construction on the southern wall puts the us in conflict with our southern neighbor. trump says mexico will pay for the wall. mexico says no. a conflict could be looming between american jobs and trade between mexico and the united states. how will it impact jobs here at home? diana negroponte is a trade
attorney and scholar at the woodrow wilson center. she also worked on the nafta negotiations with the u.s. chamber of commerce in mexico. nice to have you with us. thank you very much. appreciate that. is nafta broken? diana: no, but nafta is old. it was signed 25 years ago. after a generation it is time to renew, time to strengthen it. remember when we signed it there was no digital commerce, no internet. so it wasn't included. now we've got to look at internet commerce, cyber security. and we've got something interesting -- we have to add energy. soledad: many of the critics of nafta don't list cyber security and internet commerce as their big issues. do you know, do you have a good sense of what trump want to do with nafta? diana: he wants to increase jobs in america and bring companies
back to america. the way to do it is to improve nafta, not break it. soledad: he has sort of laid out -- i've broken it down to three things one, he wants to eliminate mexico's trade surplus. another thing he has is limit investment by american companies in mexico and then the third thing he has mentioned is raise tariffs against mexico on goods that are coming into the us. diana: let me take the first one. we make cars with mexico and canada. parts of the process is carried out in mexico. a large part is carried out in the united states. just saying you can't have that plant ford motor company in san luis, just means that part of the assembly have to ship somewhere else. now let's take this tariffs.
he wants to put tariffs on goods. are you going to put tariffs on the seat cover for ford fiesta's as they come into the u.s. to be installed on seat? are we going to make ford fiesta's that much more expensive because there was 35% tariff on the material? soledad: there are critics nafta that say nafta has killed 700 thousand jobs for american workers. what is the number of jobs, or maybe even getting rid of nafta could bring back to the u.s.? diana: the commerce dept has come up with a figure of 5 million us jobs exist due to our trade with mexico. that's a large number and that is not worth putting in jeopardy. jobs have been lost in america
because of automation. do so muchmachines of our manufacturing procedures. you may go after mexico, but that phenomena is global. soledad: what could nafta do better? if the president called you and said advise me on how to tweak nafta to make it better? diana: let's take the first. rules of origin a phrase trade lawyers all understand. what it means is 62.5% of every car that is sold within the us must be made within the us, mexico or canada. companies have began to cheat. we need to strengthen the rules of origin. the second concerns small businesses. if i am small businesswomen and i want to sell my product a neighboring country, to canada
or mexico, i have to deal with a load of customs paperwork and bureaucracy, which can put me off. we can simplify that. soledad: nice to have you. thank you for talking with us. >> our press secretary gave alternative facts. soledad: say that again? >> our press secretary gave alternative facts. soledad: when is a fact, a fact? pennsylvania grapples with repeal and replace. >> if the mandate is removed, what happens to both the people and the healthcare providers as well? >> could their answer actually be the fix? millions marched. but what did they really accomplish? soledad: president trump tossed
federal agencies to essentially, grant relief to constituencies affected by the affordable care act. that generally-worded order is open to interpretation, and without specific direction the marketplace, made up of state systems, private insurers and consumers, is trying to figure out what repealing and replacing will mean when a medical emergency strikes. in pennsylvania, this could be a life or death issue for the 1.1 million people covered by the affordable care act obamacare. pennsylvania insurance commissioner teresa miller oversees the program. she's hearing from insurers and enrollees in her state. she joins us from harrisburg. you have 10 insurance companies you deal with. i know you have been in conversations with them. what are they telling you? what are the concerns that they are bringing to you? teresa: first of all, maybe we can level set in terms of the problems that we are hearing
about, the huge increases, the premium increases and the instability in the market. we are really talking about the individual market when we are talking about the instability, and the huge premium increases. in pennsylvania this market , covers 5% of pennsylvanians and that's pretty consistent across states. what i am hearing from our insurance companies in pennsylvania we need to focus on , stabilizing the individual market where those 5% of pennsylvanians get their care. to do that we need to stabilize and make the rules of the road and the rules that govern that market clear. i think that is something that is a fair criticism of the last administration is that they continually changed the rules that govern the individual market and that was problem and created some of the instabity that we see. in pennsylvania in particular
last year was a tough year for , this market. i had to approve large premium increases for individuals who get their coverage in this individual market and we had two insurance companies leave our market, which was a hit, others threatened to leave. that is not good. insurance companies are concerned about what the future means. they have to file their products for 2018 in the next few months and we don't know the rules so it makes it really difficult for them. soledad: you have 1.1 million in the state of pennsylvania who are insured. if in fact the mandate is removed, what happens to the people and the healthcare providers as well? teresa: in pennsylvania the 1.1 , million people that you are referring to, those are people that have coverage under the aca either through gov. wolf's expansion of medicaid or through the exchange. these are people in many cases who couldn't get coverage before
the affordable care act, either because they had preexisting conditions and would have been denied or couldn't afford it. we have heard a lot of promises from the administration and members of congress that people with preexisting conditions will be protected. and the mechanism that we hear described in many cases to cover these people are high risk pools. the concern i have is that you said it high risks pools are expensive to fund. you are essentially isolating people with the highest costs and you are putting them all in one pool. it is expensive and because of the high-risk pools that operated before the affordable care act, they, by design, limited enrollment in a number of ways. in some states they had enrollment caps. when they ran out of funding they shut the door for someone who might need that coverage.
i worry about what that means for those individuals. soledad: what would you suggest makes aca better for the people in your state? teresa: you know, i mentioned earlier, when we talk about the aca not protecting consumers or serving them as well as possible, we are talking about people in the individual market. if we focused on the things that are causing that instability, for example, if we focused on enforcing special enrollment periods, that would be helpful so that people weren't able to game the system and come onto health insurance, get the care when they need it and then leave again and not pay premiums. soledad: teresa miller is the pa insurance commissioner. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> next on matter of fact. >> if we keep pitting democrats against republicans we will be stuck in government that does nothing, >> have both political parties just lost her generation? then, after a long winter on the north dakota plains, is the cause lost for pipeline opponents?
marches across the country, organized largely by democratic organizations opposing president trump's agenda. some say the massive turnout was one-time group therapy. others say it's the start of a new resistance. the big questions, will the protests translate into real activism for women? does it happen regardless of political party? one person said the march mobilized women, for long term action. erin vilardi, their executive director is here. nice to see you, thanks for being with us. how do you measure success of that march? erin: you measure success by what happened afterwards, how many women have been activated.
you measure success for us by how many women raise their hands and say enough is enough. i'm ready to run for office. for us, those numbers are through the roof. soledad: what are those numbers? erin: on monday, we launched something called now i run. we have had 500 women declare that they will run and either run in 2018, 2020 or with a five year plan. about half of the women we are surveying right now, about 44%, want to run in the next two years. soledad: what is the central message of this march? erin: the central message felt like we are all americans. i may not look like you, speak the same language, but there is room for all of us. i think the march organizers did a good job of lifting up people you don't normally see on tv, whose voices not usually on the front page magazine or the front times co. "new york they were talking about the activism from the local level, as well as the issues that women care about health care, full reproductive rights, equal pay, involved in our economy and turning this country around. soledad: there was a large
number of women for whom reproductive rights are not at the top of the agenda, or don't support reproductive rights. how do you open up the tent that is big enough to hold everyone is part of your agenda goes against something that they believe? erin: i think the model is actually the women senators and women in the house. they have long been talking about adoption, to talk about medical benefits when you do want a child. i think there are ways we can create some alignment there without always only talking about abortion. we need to have a larger conversation about what it means for women to bring healthy children into the world and lead health lives so take place in our democracy, start businesses, have that solid footing that is required. soledad: how do you turn a social movement that was widely successful into a political agenda in the context of a media that seems to be lurching from tweet to shiny object over here
? erin: we have to become own media hub. we have to call out when see fake news, we need to make comments on facebook feeds who might be putting out things that seem ridiculous that you know to be untrue, or not scientifically accurate. we have to be our own media task force and do that on our own social media. soledad: it seemed to me, most of the women were left leaning, but not necessarily of the democratic party. >> correct. soledad: that's intentional. is that good? problematic? erin: i think that is a good thing. i am not looking for women who want to be on a team. i don't think people think that american democracy is a team sport that has been very successful. many more young people not picking democrat or republican. we are seeing the different wings of the parties come about and ink that is healthy. in order to make alignments and get policy work done, you need different coalitions. if keeping pitting democrats against republicans we will stuck in a government that does nothing.
i think it is ok that isn't a clear alignment with a particular agenda. women's rights are for everyone. this isn't about tying your issue to a particular party. we can get things done working with republicans and democrats. soledad: erin vilardi, nice to have you thanks for being with us. >> coming up it's the end of the line for pipeline protestors. what will happen next on the north dakota plains? and, a simple question. >> what is the national employment rate? >> we'll explain why numbers and facts aren't always the same. soledad: president trump's
executive actions on two massive, and contentious pipeline projects could pump more revenue into our economy, but is almost certain to generate more protests among environmentalists and native american groups. the keystone xl oil pipeline is a proposed 1179 mile project extending from alberta, canada
through montana, south dakota and nebraska. president obama refused to approved the project, saying it was not in our national interest. now, trump is inviting the project owners, transcanada, to reapply. and another action, this one dealing with the dakota access pipeline project. if completed, the 1100-mile pipeline would carry oil from north dakota through south dakota, iowa and illinois. it's almost finished, except for an 1100-foot portion yet to be built under the missouri river south of bismarck, also near an important water source for the standing rock sioux and other tribes. trump's directive orders the army corps of engineers to take all actions necessary and appropriate, to review and approve in an expedited manner. requiredast track the environmental impact, it could
soledad: in politics, do the facts still matter? consider this between the press and the white house in the first days of the trump presidency. kellyanne conway, counselor to the president, defending white house press secretary sean spicer's statement on the size of inauguration crowds as the largest ever. >> sean spicer our press secretary gave alternative facts to that. soledad: spicer himself took on the media's reporting of numbers from crowd estimate experts. >> these attems to lessen the enthussm of the inauguraton are shameful and wrong. soledad: chief of staff reince priebus joined the chorus on fox. >> i'm saying there's an obsession by the media to de-legitimize this president and we are not going to sit around and let that happen.
clearly the administration feels under siege. president trump has frequently called members of the press, >> the most dishonest people on earth. soledad: so, just to really make it clear, reporting facts is the what we do. we look to verifiable and reliable sources for our data. we go to place like the us census bureau, the bureau of labor statistics, the office of management and budget. so this exchange was really important. >> what is the national employment rate? >> the bureau of labor statistics do that. what i'm saying, there is a reason we put out several versions of that. soledad: meaning, we aren't going to settle on the basic facts. i believe these exchanges and the attempt to create a world of alternative facts undermine the foundation of democracy. they undermine our ability to report reality. in many areas of american life, the federal government is the sole source of data. and if we can't rely on or agree
to facts, then the public loses. sean spicer did offer that our intention is never to lie to you. ok, good. so let's start agreeing on what the facts are. i'm soledad o'brien for "matter of fact." have a great week. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
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