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>> who's vinnie gorgeous? >> he was used to names like, genovese and gambino and had never heard of fifa until the case ended up on his desk six years ago. but he knew how the game was played. pay me. you want this? you gotta pay me. >> those are definitely the allegations. >> you gotta pay me $10 million in one case. >> there were many millions in many instances alleged not just for low-level tournaments. but the world cup itself. >> so you're talking about shakedowns? >> absolutely. >> danny clinch has photographed just about every heavyweight in the music world: rappers, rockers, country stars, jazz and pop artists. ♪ ♪ he's developed friendships with many of his subjects, bruce springsteen included. which gets him up close and personal access. >> how you doing? >> how are you? >> good. >> clinch has documented the history of american music. and he's always looking for the next shot.
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not like al qaeda. isis is wealthy, agile, sophisticated online, and operates freely in a vast territory of its own. it prefers to be called the islamic state. the u.s. government calls it isil. reporters tend to call it isis for the islamic state in iraq and syria. but whatever the name, it has the manpower, means and ruthlessness to attack the u.s. the man who is supposed to stop that attack is john brennan, the director of the c.i.a. and tonight, in a rare interview, we talk to brennan about a world of trouble and we start with the most pressing danger. is isis coming here? >> john brennan: i think isil does want to eventually find it's, it's mark here. >> pelley: you're expecting an attack in the united states? >> brennan: i'm expecting them to try to put in place-- the operatives, the material or whatever else that they need to
do or to incite people to carry out these attacks-- clearly. so i believe that their attempts are inevitable. i don't think their successes necessarily are. >> pelley: can you explain to the folks watching this interview why these people want to kill us? how does attacking the united states further their interests? >> brennan: i think they're trying to provoke a clash between the west and the muslim world, or the world that they are in as a way to gain more adherents. because what they are claiming is that the united states is trying to take over their countries which is the furthest thing from the truth. >> pelley: paris was a failure of intelligence. all but one of the eight terrorists were french citizens, trained by isis in syria. they returned, unnoticed, and attacked six locations killing 130 people. what did you learn from paris? >> brennan: that there is a lot that isil probably has underway that we don't have obviously full insight into. we knew the system was blinking red.
we knew just in the days before that isil was trying to carry out something. but the individuals involved have been able to take advantage of the newly available means of communication that are-- that are walled off, from law enforcement officials. >> pelley: you're talking about encrypted internet communications. >> brennan: yeah, i'm talking about the very sophisticated use of these technologies and communication systems. >> pelley: after paris you told your people what? >> brennan: we've got to work harder. we have to work harder. we need to have the capabilities, the technical capabilities, the human sources. we need to be able to have advanced notice about this so that we can take this-- the steps to stop them. believe me, intelligence security services have stopped numerous attacks-- operatives that have been moved from maybe the iraq to syria theater into europe. they have been stopped and interdicted and arrested and detained and debriefed because of very, very good intelligence. >> pelley: but the failure in paris allowed isis to attack with bombs and assault rifles. and brennan told us there's more
in their arsenal. does isis have chemical weapons? >> brennan: we have a number of instances where isil has used chemical munitions on the battlefield. >> pelley: artillery shells. >> brennan: sure. yeah. >> pelley: isis has access to chemical artillery shells? >> brennan: uh-huh. there are reports that isis has access to chemical precursors and munitions that they can use. the c.i.a. believes that isis has the ability to manufacture small quantities of chlorine and mustard gas. >> pelley: and the capability of exporting those chemicals to the west? >> brennan: i think there's always the potential for that. this is why it's so important to cut off the various transportation routes and smuggling routes that they have used. >> pelley: are there american assets on the ground right now hunting this down? >> brennan: the u.s. intelligence is actively involved in-- in being a part of the effort to destroy isil and to get as much insight into what they have on the ground inside of syria and iraq.
>> pelley: john brennan has worked at the c.i.a. for most of 36 years, ever since he saw a want ad while he was in graduate school. and he was a high ranking executive here during the recent controversies, iraq's phantom weapons of mass destruction and 9/11. do you think of water boarding as a dark time in the history of your agency? >> brennan: sure. water boarding was something that was authorized. it was something that i do not believe was appropriate. it is something that is not used now and as far as i'm concerned will not be used again. >> pelley: you were in management here at the time. you didn't stop it. >> brennan: no. i had expressed to a few people my misgivings and concerns about it, but no, i did not, you know, slam my fists on a desk. i did not go in and say "we shouldn't be doing this." i think long and hard about what i maybe should have done more of at the time. but it was a different time.
the ashes of world trade center were still smoldering. we knew that other waves of attacks were planned and some that were underway. >> pelley: in the year or so before 9/11 the c.i.a. had a covert action plan to attack al qaeda in afghanistan. the administration at that time said, "don't do that. we have time. we'll deal with this later." and then 9/11 happened. is this administration making the same mistake now? >> brennan: well you know there are a lot of options that are presented to this administration as well as to previous administrations and the president has pursued what he believes is appropriate for us to do in order to protect the citizens of this country. >> pelley: what do you think our policy would be after an isis directed attack in the united states? >> brennan: if there's a major attack here and we had isis fingerprints on it certainly this would encourage us to be even more forceful in terms of what we need to do.
>> pelley: if our policy after an attack in the united states would be to be more forceful, why isn't that our policy now before an attack? >> brennan: well, i think we're being as forceful as we can be in making sure that we're being surgical though as well. what we don't want to do is to alienate others within that region, and have any type of indiscriminate actions that are going to lead to deaths of additional civilians. >> pelley: the c.i.a. brennan leads from langley, virginia looks nothing like the agency he joined. it's grown significantly but the numbers are secret. c.i.a. fights with its own ground troops and has an air force of drones. the complexity of the threats today is unprecedented; hacking, the emergence of a more aggressive china, north korea, russia and iran and countries failing all across the middle east. in addition to syria you are now
dealing with failed states in libya, somalia, yemen. how do you develop intelligence in all of these countries where the u.s. has no presence? >> brennan: we need to be able to operate in areas that are denied to us. we find a way to have our eyes and ears there so that we can inform our policy makers. i do think though that this is going to be more and more a feature of the future. and we here at c.i.a. are looking at how we need to enhance our expeditionary capabilities and activities because we need to be on the front lines. >> pelley: well do you imagine setting up c.i.a. bases, covert bases in many of these countries? >> brennan: i see c.i.a. needing to have the presence as well as a-- an ability to collect intelligence and interact with the locals. and we are in fact doing that in a number of those areas. >> pelley: who around here has the authority to okay a drone strike? >> brennan: i know there are a lot of reports about the c.i.a.'s role and involvement on that.
and i think as you can understand i'm not going to address any of those reports about c.i.a.'s covert action activities. >> pelley: do you have to accept the deaths of civilians when making a decision about using these weapons? do you have to say, "there are likely to be civilians killed here but it's worth it?" >> brennan: well, you know in war there is what's called the law of armed conflict that allows for proportional collateral, collateral being civilian deaths. i must tell you that the u.s. military and the u.s. government as a whole does an exceptionally, exceptionally strong job of minimizing to the greatest extent possible any type of collateral damage. >> pelley: but it isn't necessarily a shooting war that worries brennan most. his c.i.a. is facing a new front in cyber. and to focus on it he set up the agency's first new directorate in more than 50 years. >> brennan: that cyber environment can pose a very,
very serious and significant attack vector for our adversaries if they want to take down our infrastructure, if they want to create havoc in transportation systems, if they want to do great damage to our financial networks. there are safeguards being put in place. but that cyber environment is one that really is the thing that keeps me up at night. >> pelley: do other countries have the capability of turning the lights off in the united states? >> brennan: having the capability but then also having the intent are two different things. i think fortunately right now those who may have the capability do not have the intent. those who may have the intent right now i believe do not have the capability. because if they had the capability they would deploy and employ those tools. >> pelley: a few months ago your personal e-mails were hacked. what did you learn from that, director? >> brennan: it shows that there are ways that individuals can get into the personal emails of anybody.
>> pelley: is privacy dead? >> brennan: no. no. privacy should never be dead. >> pelley: yeah, i know it shouldn't be. but is it, in fact, with these hacktivists, with these nation state actors, with all the things that we've learned about government snooping all around the world, isn't it effectively dead? >> brennan: you know, it's interesting that people always point to the government or others, in terms of the invasion of privacy. but-- >> pelley: any government? >> brennan: yeah, but individuals are liberally giving up their privacy, you know, sometimes wittingly and sometimes unwittingly as they give information to companies or to sales reps. or they go out on facebook or the various social media. they don't realize though that they are then making themselves vulnerable to exploitation. >> pelley: when your secure phone rings in the middle of the night, what's your first thought? >> brennan: it's usually one of two things. one, its bad news that something tragic has happened to a c.i.a officer or to u.s. personnel.
or there's been a terrorist attack somewhere of-- of significance. and so when i reach for the phone i, you know, say-- a short prayer that it's not that. the other, other option is that i'm being asked to make a decision in the middle of the night on something that may have life and death implications. could be something related to a covert action program. >> pelley: have officers died on your watch? >> brennan: yes. yes. not long after i came to the agency we had an officer, a former army ranger, went back out to afghanistan. in the middle of the night he heard a-- an explosion at the compound next to his where his afghan compatriots were sleeping. he grabbed his gear, he went over there. another explosion took place. rather than taking cover he went right to the middle of the fight and started to drag his wounded afghan partners out of harm's way. he was hit twice.
continued to fire, then as he was continuing to protect his colleagues and comrades, a hand grenade landed not too far from him and he was mortally wounded. >> pelley: brennan told us that he has gone to dover, delaware to receive the remains of his fallen. but he can only go when he won't be seen, so no one will connect the body under the flag with the c.i.a. at headquarters, anonymous stars are carved for the dead. 113 in all, 31 since 9/11. and brennan presides over an annual memorial for the families. >> brennan: we have family members of agency officers who died in the 1950s whose grandchildren-- grandnieces and nephews come back here in order to feel a part of this agency.
so it's a great, great honor to be a part of this organization where, again, selfless men and women of the agency have done their absolute best. have we made mistakes? yeah, we have. do we need to be held accountable for them? yeah. but let's not forget the sacrifices that have been made in the name of c.i.a. >> glor: good evening, the u.s. and cuba will sign an agreement tuesday to restart commercial flights. britain is demanding reforms at a summit this week as it decides whether to stay in the european union. and u.s. markets are closed tomorrow but reopen tuesday. the s&p is down 9% on the year. i'm jeff glor, cbs news. we live in a pick and choose world.
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>> steve kroft: as everyone knows, big-time sports have become big business, and most of the organizations that run them operate with little or no oversight from government or independent entities. occasionally issues arise like concussions in football, and doping in baseball that demand public scrutiny, but there has never been a scandal like the one enveloping fifa-- the most powerful sporting organization in the world. its purpose is to regulate and promote the most popular sport in the world: international football, or soccer as we call it in the united states. but according to the u.s. justice department, it has been operating as an organized crime syndicate for the past 24 years. and some of those alleged crimes like bribery and money laundering were planned and carried out here in the united states.
dozens of top fifa officials past and present are under indictment and the investigation is still in its early stages. in a few weeks hundreds of fifa officials from around the world will descend on zurich for a special meeting: one of the most important in its 112-year history, maybe even one of its last. its ranks have been thinned. its president, sepp blatter suspended; it's general secretary fired and five current executive committee members facing criminal charges. some nervous delegates may decide to skip the event, given what happened the last time they got together in may. authorities swooped in and made arrests here and on three different continents, acting at the behest of the u.s. justice department and attorney general loretta lynch. >> loretta lynch: they were expected to uphold the rules that keep soccer honest, and to
protect the integrity of the game. instead, they corrupted the business of worldwide soccer to serve their interests and to enrich themselves. >> kroft: fifa's main job is to organize and run the biggest sporting event on earth, the world cup, a month-long tournament of national teams that generates billions and billions of dollars and crowns a world champion every four years. it's like the olympics, only bigger. the honor of hosting the games can alter a nation's fortunes and the competition is intense. it's fifa's executive committee that decides where the world cup will be held and how the billions will be divided. according to the indictment that's where the corruption comes in. how did the racketeering enterprise work? >> john buretta: the allegations are that it was all about selection. choosing where events would be held. choosing who got the rights to broadcast.
it was those key choices which were very lucrative to the recipients that created the power here. >> kroft: john buretta used to run the organized crime section of the u.s. attorney's office in the eastern district of new york, with a specialty in the mafia. >> who's vinnie gorgeous? >> kroft: he was used to names like, genovese and gambino and had never heard of fifa until the case ended up on his desk. but he knew how the game was played. pay me. you want this? you gotta pay me. >> buretta: those are definitely the allegations. >> kroft: you gotta pay me $10 million in one case. >> buretta: there were many millions in many instances alleged not just for low-level tournaments. but the world cup itself. >> kroft: so you're talking about shakedowns? >> buretta: absolutely. >> kroft: according to the indictment that $10 million bribe was paid by the government of south africa to help secure the 2010 world cup. the money, originally disguised as a charitable contribution ended up in a bank account controlled by former fifa vice
president jack warner, a trinidian who then ran the north caribbean confederation of fifa, which was headquartered in new york. he is currently fighting extradition to the u.s. >> jack warner: keep the faith, man. you gotta keep the faith. >> kroft: warner is one of 25 fifa officials who have been named in the indictments. as for the bribes, well there are too many of them to go into here. the biggest was $150 million paid by a sports marketing firm for contracts to sell broadcasting rights. then there were the smaller tips: a stack of envelopes each filled with $40,000 in cash from an executive committee member from qatar who was buying votes in a fifa election. qatar has a very high profile at fifa right now. and it's a source of some embarrassment. >> sepp blatter: the 2022 fifa world cup is... qatar.
>> kroft: the qataris were happy, but most people thought it an odd choice-- one that brought fifa unwanted attention and made it the butt of international jokes. >> john oliver: there are now allegations that some fifa executives took bribes to put the world cup in qatar, and i hope that's true. because otherwise it makes literally no sense. >> kroft: its not just that temperatures routinely top 120 degrees in the summer or that qatar has a dismal human rights record. the tiny country has no soccer tradition, and it would seem very few fans. games there are often played in empty stadiums. fifa also ignored its own internal security report which warned of a high risk for terrorism. maybe the executive committee was impressed with this dazzling, multi-media virtual reality vision of what the qatar world cup would look like in 2022. right now, this is all just a mirage. most people who follow
international soccer aren't surprised by all this. the chicanery at fifa has been an open secret in europe largely because of this man, andrew jennings, a grizzled freelance reporter who had been harping about it for more than a decade. >> andrew jennings: all we know is, it's the biggest scandal ever in world sport. there's nothing like it. >> kroft: how did you get into this? i mean were you a-- were you a soccer fan? >> jennings: definitely not. ( laughs ) i mean-- good luck to people who enjoy it, but i'm a crime reporter. i took one look at fifa and, right, that's it. it's there. and i'd no doubts about it. >> kroft: jennings, who had broken some big stories exposing corruption at the international olympic committee, was asked by a sports editor to take a look at fifa. he couldn't believe his luck. >> jennings: i did start thinking, "there's a few bad apples. oh, goodness me, here's a few more. my goodness, who isn't? >> kroft: so, bribery was just standard operating procedures at all level of fifa? >> jennings: well, there does
come a time that you don't really get upset anymore, just another bribe. because there's so many. in fact, it's-- it's a way of operating. it's an m.o. it's how they'd run the business. >> kroft: when he began asking rude questions at fifa news conferences a dozen years ago, he was ostracized and exiled to the parking lot. for years, his colleagues in the sporting press considered him a gadfly, but he turned out to be right, and eventually people started paying attention. he landed a gig with the bbc launching kamikaze attacks on the likes of fifa president sepp blatter. >> jennings: do you know which football officials took bribes from the i.s.l. marketing company? >> blatter: i don't speak about that. >> kroft: and the aforementioned fifa vice president jack warner... >> jennings: this is a polite inquiry. >> warner: if i could have spit on you, i would have spat on you. >> jennings: if you could spit on me you would spit on me? >> kroft: jennings finally received his vindication in 2009
when the fbi asked for his help and invited him to london to meet with their agents. >> jennings: so i shuttled down to london and went into the room. three immaculately dressed. perfect manners. and business cards that says they did organized crime. and at that point, we were in. >> kroft: jennings gave the fbi his file on chuck blazer, the only american on fifa's executive committee, who lived and worked out of trump tower. blazer too was a colorful character: 400 pounds of fun. he kept a pet parrot, traveled on private jets with world leaders; dined at the finest restaurants, and over a seven- year period, ran up $29 million in charges on his black american express card. he documented a lot of this on his personal blog, and seemed to have been having such a good time he forgot to pay his taxes, which turned out to be a big
mistake for blazer and fifa. >> michael hershman: in my judgment, this indictment would not have happened without chuck blazer. >> kroft: michael hershman, has spent most of his career doing government and corporate investigations, and he knows chuck blazer. he says when the fbi arrested him, it immediately offered a deal: go to jail for tax evasion, or cooperate and wear a wire. >> kroft: and he chose the latter? >> hershman: he chose the latter. >> kroft: he had a keychain of some kind. >> hershman: he had a keychain that was a microphone, as well as a keychain. >> kroft: hershman spent two years working inside fifa after being appointed to a governance committee charged with reforming the organization in the midst of all the scandals. >> hershman: i assumed that we would be able to take this organization and help turn it around, but i was dissuaded from that notion fairly early on. >> kroft: by whom? >> hershman: well, there was a lot of push back from the president, sepp blatter, and the executive committee members,
many of whom were dinosaurs and didn't want to see the system change. >> kroft: he says there was a culture of corruption at fifa, and its top officials weren't interested in advice from outsiders. they saw themselves as diplomats, entitled to financial gratuities and expensive gifts. >> kroft: they wanted tribute? >> hershman: they wanted tribute. they were treated like kings, if you will. >> kroft: did you get any sense of that there was any fear or concern about somebody prosecuting them? >> hershman: none, whatsoever. >> kroft: and with good reason. it's no accident that the world's most powerful sports organization is headquartered here in zurich. it's the banking capital of switzerland, a country whose economy is based on the principles of corporate privacy, and banking secrecy. and no one took more advantage of that than fifa. roland buchel, a member of the swiss national legislature, says until very recently, fifa received about as much
government scrutiny as a yodeling club. the corruption's been no secret. people have been talking about it. and there have been allegations made for a decade or more. why didn't the swiss government do something? >> roland buchel: well, there was a problem, a problem of laws. corruption at this time it was-- it was just not a crime. >> kroft: you're saying it was all right to bribe people? >> buchel: of course it wasn't all right, but it was not a crime. this money was even tax deductible. the money they paid in bribes was tax deductible. that's-- that's just-- it's not- - it's not good. >> kroft: it was not only legal, it was tax deductible? >> buchel: yes. >> kroft: do you think it's tarnished the reputation of switzerland at all? >> buchel: yes, of course. absolutely. >> kroft: buchel has since managed to push through legislation making all forms of bribery illegal, and the swiss attorney general has finally begun his own criminal investigation into president sepp blatter and the qatar world cup. fifa's says it's cooperating with the investigation and it's position is that its a victim in all this: that it's a legitimate, law-abiding
organization that's been used by unscrupulous individuals on the executive committee, and that justice should be allowed to run its course. >> jerome champagne: let's finish investigation and after that we go for trial. i have no problem with that. >> kroft: jerome champagne, a fifa defender, was one of sepp blatter's closest advisors for a decade and is running in the upcoming elections to replace him as president. i mean, it's been said that you were his eyes and ears. >> champagne: uh-huh. >> kroft: is that accurate? >> champagne: sometime his mouth also. >> kroft: sometimes his mouth. eyes, ears and mouth. not the nose? did you-- >> champagne: no. >> kroft: did you-- didn't sniff anything out? mr. blatter-- >> champagne: i was-- >> kroft: didn't sniff anything out that anything was wrong-- >> champagne: i tell you, i was not involved in financial aspects. >> kroft: it-- if sepp blatter were running for reelection would you support him? >> champagne: i tell you, he would be reelected. >> kroft: he would be reelected? >> champagne: yes. >> kroft: champagne's opponents include a jordanian prince, a sheikh from bahrain, a wealthy south african businessman and a european soccer official.
all of them are preaching reform to a fifa membership that has long resisted it. i mean, fifa seems to be saying, "okay, we've got this under control. you know, we're-- we're changing. we're reforming"-- >> jennings: you can't be serious-- >> kroft: "and blatter's gone"-- >> jennings: you can't be serious. >> kroft: no, i'm-- i'm-- i'm jus-- this is what they're saying? >> jennings: they haven't-- done anything. they've nothing to reform themselves. >> kroft: so, you think it's going to be business as usual? >> jennings: well, it'll be an attempt, because they know nothing else. >> kroft: for now, all the major decisions at the world's most powerful sports organization are being handled by fifa's legal department in consultation with a big u.s. law firm and a p.r. outfit from washington. all of our requests for on- camera interviews were declined. >> and now a cbs sports update brought to you by the lincoln motor company. at the at&t pebble beach pro-am.
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>> anderson cooper: in march of 1999, an up-and-coming photographer named danny clinch got two phone calls that would change his life. the first came from bob dylan's manager, asking him to take some pictures of the legendary singer. and a few hours later, bruce springsteen's people also called to book him for a shoot. in the 17 years since, danny clinch has photographed just about every heavyweight in the music world: rappers, rockers, country stars, jazz and pop artists. tomorrow night, he'll be backstage at the grammys, taking portraits of the winners as he has for 13 years now. clinch has developed friendships with many of his subjects, and that gets him up close and personal access on stage and off. for example...
bruce springsteen, hitting the road on tour once more, his wife patti by his side. and danny clinch is there to talk a bit about old times, and >> danny clinch: in '99 was the first time i photographed you guys and it was then. >> cooper: and shoot the band rehearsing. ♪ ♪ >> cooper: over the years, clinch has taken thousands of pictures of springsteen, and many have become classics. >> clinch: this is in a farmhouse that's on bruce's property. and it's just a really sweet little spot. ♪ ♪ >> cooper: there are portraits of the artist offstage that
mirror the tone and the message of his music. and there's the famous shot of springsteen falling back into the crowd, where from the stage, clinch had a perfect view. >> clinch: i was like, right in there. and he fell back and i got my shot. >> cooper: and did you know you got it? >> clinch: i felt like i did. yeah. >> cooper: clinch wears many hats, pun intended. as the official portrait photographer at the grammys, he covers the musical spectrum. tony bennett and lady gaga. >> clinch: i'm not like a strong-arm guy. i want to collaborate. >> cooper: country star miranda lambert. >> clinch: you want to make people relaxed. >> cooper: singer-songwriter sam smith. >> clinch: you want to find a common ground as quickly as you can. >> cooper: foo fighter dave grohl and paul mccartney. >> clinch: you're in a sense part of the history of that moment. and i never really get tired of that, and i never take it for granted. >> trey anastasio: you want to go up on stage? >> clinch: yeah. >> cooper: he goes way back with many musicians. that's trey anastasio of the
band phish, one of several that let him shoot on stage, trusting him to stay out of the way. ♪ ♪ it's new year's eve: phish is playing madison square garden and to the crowd, clinch is the invisible man. what is it about shooting a concert? what are you trying to get? >> clinch: i'm trying to capture a moment. it's not about the singer at the microphone. i'm trying to look for, like, a moment in between. >> cooper: he works from the back of the stage, hiding behind the drums or the amplifiers, waiting for that in-between moment. popping up like a whack-a-mole to get his shot. and sometimes over the years, it's paid off big, as in this classic photograph. the view from the stage of foo fighter's dave grohl and a cast of thousands. >> clinch: it still gives me goose bumps. >> cooper: or this one, at a pearl jam concert. eddie vedder and jeff ament,
airborne. >> clinch: i popped up from behind jeff's amplifiers. the whole stadium was lit. they're up in the air in that perfect moment. >> cooper: you were hiding behind an amplifier. >> clinch: yeah. >> cooper: do you wear earplugs? >> clinch: i should. ( laughs ) >> cooper: but you don't. >> clinch: i often don't, yeah. >> cooper: i'm surprised you can even hear me. >> clinch: yeah. >> cooper: or are you just reading my lips? >> clinch: yeah. it is- i get out there and i'm like, "jeez, i should probably have some earplugs." and then i'm like, i forgot them. >> cooper: learning the ropes, clinch was an assistant to photographer annie leibovitz. he prefers shooting in natural light, and agrees with what the famous war photographer robert capa said: if your pictures aren't good enough, you're not close enough. and even when he's not working, he's still looking for that perfect shot. >> clinch: i'm photographing all the time. i'm such a visual person and i don't want to miss that moment. >> cooper: you're never without your camera? >> clinch: rarely. >> cooper: even right now sitting here? >> clinch: yeah. see? i always want to be prepared, because you never know who's going to come to your studio.
i really like this a lot. >> cooper: his studio is a place where any music fan would love to be locked up for a few days. it's like a history of rock and roll. >> clinch: there's a couple things here i want to show you so we'll show these over here. >> cooper: a couple years back, he photographed one of the men who started it all: chuck berry, who's now 89. and another founding father: jerry lee lewis, who's 80. and here are some pictures from that first session with bob dylan. >> clinch: we were trying to figure out you know give him a little something to do. somebody came back with a whole bunch of different language newspapers. and he picked that one up and i started to shoot. just, you know, keeping it real simple. >> cooper: more of his greatest hits: southern gothic, gregg allman on a rainy day in savannah. johnny cash, waiting to go onstage, a shot capturing the loneliness of life on the road. country stars faith hill and tim mcgraw. tom waits.
nora jones. tupac shakur. >> clinch: he was really professional and he was into it. we chose a shirt that he was gonna change into. he took his shirt off and i saw all the tattoos. and i said, "would you mind doing one like that? and he said "yeah." >> cooper: when you took this did you know how strong it was? >> clinch: i mean, i felt like this was really a powerful image. i felt like the simplicity of it was really powerful. ♪ ♪ >> cooper: clinch has branched out into making commercials and music videos. this one shot in willie nelson's bedroom on his tour bus. ♪ ♪ >> clinch: willie doesn't mind me taking his photograph, but he's not really crazy about sitting and being directed and all that sort of stuff. so i've found ways to work with that. >> cooper: he also got some very candid stills. nelson braiding his hair. and indulging in his favorite recreational pastime, smoking a huge stick of weed.
i don't even know what it would be called, it's so big. >> clinch: i know, it's something. >> cooper: it's like a cigar. >> clinch: somehow i can't remember what happened after that. >> cooper: and then, there are the occasional shoots he wishes he could forget. >> clinch: i was at a madonna show many, many years ago and i was like in the sweet spot and she came out and i mean it was the best part of the show. and i was shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting. and i'm like, "god, i must have shot a hundred pictures have i not run out of film?" and i opened the back of my camera and there was no film in there. ( laughs ) so that happened to me only once. >> cooper: ouch. ♪ ♪ no doubt one reason he gets along so well with musicians: he knows the language, wearing yet another hat to play with the tangiers blues band, and sometimes jamming with the likes of willie and bruce. his harmonica, like his camera,
goes everywhere he goes. ♪ ♪ he grew up on the jersey shore, living in toms river, a few miles down the garden state parkway from springsteen country. he got the photography bug from his mother. >> clinch: she always had a camera, always still has a camera. and at times i find myself taking pictures of her taking pictures of the family. >> cooper: and from his father, he got a taste for classic rock and roll from the '50s, and classic cars. his prize possession: a 1948 pontiac silver streak. the sort of car his father always noticed when clinch was a kid. >> clinch: everywhere we went he would go, "oh, there's a '55 chevy." and, "oh," you know, "look at that 1959 cadillac." and i started to love cars myself. >> cooper: and he's always found a way to work them into the shot. springsteen with the pontiac, and in his wife's 1950 hudson with clinch's father at the wheel.
an old cadillac with neil young's hat. and young inside, tooling around nashville. >> clinch: this was a great moment for me. i'm a big fan of neil's, to be driving around in this cadillac was... >> cooper: yeah. was he driving? >> clinch: he was driving yeah, yeah. and we stopped at a little intersection and i grabbed it. ♪ ♪ but nothing could prepare him for the trip he made in december to the old car capital of the universe: havana. cuba, havana, it's got to be a photographer's dream. >> clinch: i'll tell ya, there's so much interesting culture and there's so much great color everywhere you look is a photograph. >> cooper: you seem to have a smile on your face kind of all the time. >> clinch: yeah. yeah. >> cooper: the preservation hall jazz band was invited to a cuban music festival, and clinch tagged along with a documentary film crew. ♪ ♪ they play the traditional music of new orleans. a distinctive sound, and some distinctive instruments.
you know, you do a lot rock and roll bands, don't see a lot of rock and roll bands with a sousaphone. >> clinch: yeah. that's true. >> cooper: the rhythms of new orleans and havana are much alike. and the americans were soon jamming with cuban musicians: on stage, at their homes. >> clinch: you don't need to speak spanish, you know? you just need to speak music. >> cooper: between concerts, clinch wandered the city, snapping away. and checking out the cars. >> clinch: i'm not just a fan of the really restored ones, the shiny ones. but i like the working man's cars. how they've fixed it, how it had been repaired time after time. ♪ ♪ >> cooper: but his biggest thrill came backstage, with the band warming up. >> clinch: they were preparing for the show. and it just turned into this impromptu, like jam, this percussion type thing. and i live for those moments. ♪ ♪
>> cooper: he's seen a lot of moments, heard a lot of music. and has come to one conclusion. >> clinch: it doesn't matter if it's hip-hop. it doesn't matter if it's jazz, or anything in between. if it hits you right here, it's good music. >> cooper: and you can get a photo out of it. you can capture it. >> clinch: so far, yeah. ( laughs ) >> cooper: writing in clinch's notebook, tupac shakur said: if a picture is worth a thousand words, photographers are worth a million. ♪ ♪ that's a thought shared by clinch's fellow native of the jersey shore, who says... >> springsteen: this is the man here. >> cooper: this is the man. >> springsteen: if you want the picture. >> clinch: come and get it. >> springsteen: there he is. ♪ ♪
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>> cooper: nobody. >> marsalis: and no one has heard a person who could play like him. >> cooper: he has genius. >> marsalis: there's no question about that to any of us. ♪ ♪ >> cooper: do you know how you're gonna improvise something before you do it? it sounds really hard? >> joey alexander: it is kind of hard. ♪ ♪ >> cooper: not only has joey's album "my favorite things," been nominated for two awards at tomorrow night's grammys- best instrumental jazz album and best jazz solo improvisation, but he'll also be performing on- stage at the awards ceremony in front of the elite of the music world, and a national audience here on cbs. ♪ ♪ i'm anderson cooper. we'll be back next week with another edition of "60 minutes.e
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