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captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: today on "face the nation," on the eve of the first presidential debate, we'll talk to both candidates' running mates. donald trump says it can be dangerous to overprepare for debates. hillary clinton spent most of the week privately prepping for a debate that tens of millions are likely the watch. just how important is monday's showdown at hofstra university? we'll ask both vice presidential candidates, virginia senator tim kaine and indiana governor mike pence. then we'll hear from two more key figures in this year's election. house speaker paul ryan and bernie sanders. plus we'll get some pre-debate analysis from our own bob schieffer. and will the charlotte police department release video and evidence from last week's shooting put an end to the protests? it's all ahead on "face the nation." good morning and welcome to
"face the nation." i'm john dickerson. we'll get to politics in a minute, but first an update on a story we've been following all week, that of the police shooting of keith lamont scott in charlotte, north carolina. we turn to cbs news correspondent errol barnett for an update. errol? >> reporter: good morning, john. last night saw mostly peaceful protest, but tensions here remain high as this story continues to unfold. saturday evening the charlotte mecklenburg police department released portions of dashboard camera and body camera footage of the encounter with keith lamont scott. the police department paints a scenario in which officers observed mr. scott with marijuana but didn't think it was an arrestable offense until they also saw him raise a weapon. the police released this photo of the handgun they say has traces of scott's d.n.a. meanwhile, the scott family says they have been left with more questions than answers. they asked if excessive force was necessary since scott was not behaving aggressively, and they question whether he was armed at the time.
and today's carolina panthers' home game has been deemed an extraordinary event, which means security here will be on high alert and the city can restrict items people can take into the stadium. >> dickerson: errol barnett for us in charlotte, north carolina. thanks, errol. we turn now to campaign 2016. a "washington post"/abc news poll out this morning gives hillary clinton a two-point edge nationally among likely voters. the race is tight too in our cbs news battleground tracker. in the state of colorado, hillary clinton has a one-point lead over trump, 40% to 39%. it is now a toss-up among our 13 battlegrounds. there are now six states in that toss-up category. and in virginia, last month, hillary clinton was leading by 12 points. that lead has dropped four points. it is now clinton 45%, trump 37%. we go now to richmond, virginia, and hillary clinton's running mate senator tim kaine. senator, i want to start on the debate question. some of hillary clinton's supporters say there is a
difficult standard for hillary clinton. what is that different standard in the debate? >> well, i'm not sure... i'm hoping there isn't a different standard in the debate. i think there's been some worry that maybe up until now there has been different standards applied, but that's the great thing about the debate. i think there are three critical points. first, the candidates get grilled on specifics. hillary has been very specific about policy plans. we have a book out describing them. donald trump less, so but tomorrow is an opportunity to see whether donald will be specific about what he proposes to do. second, unanswered questions. the voters have questions. donald trump has not released his tax returns. news of this past week shows a whole series of very serious questions about donald trump's ties to russia. and finally there's been news recently about very questionable, even illegal payments by the trump foundation. i think these unanswered questions are going to be on voters' minds. finally, there's the issue of truthfulness. politifact has been tracking donald trump's claims on the
campaign trail thus far. about 70% of the things they check turn out to be false. and so that's an interesting point about the debate tomorrow night, too. in a 90-minute format, not 20-second sound bites, there's a real opportunity to hear somebody say something and get into is that actually true or not? i think the debate issue, you know, obviously let it be an even standard for both, but that issue about specifics, answering those unanswered questions and checking people on truthfulness, that can be very important. >> dickerson: i notice the campaign put out a list already of 18 or so falsehoods about donald trump. they put out that acted donald trump, but hillary clinton, everything she says in the debate will be truthful? >> i think that's fair game. look, it's fair game for both candidates to be challenged either on things they said or things they say tomorrow night. and again, i think the great virtue of these debates is you get 90 minutes so look at people
and really see whether there's depth, whether there's substance, and whether there is candor and truthfulness in what they say. >> dickerson: any advice you've given hillary clinton before the debate? >> we've talked a little bit about both of our debates, but more in the area of tone and style and how to effectively make your positive case even while, you know, parrying what the other guy throws at you. i expect her to defend herself from what trump may say, but at the end of the day paint a positive vision that's really what animated her to run. >> dickerson: hillary clinton wondered why she wasn't 50 points ahead. why isn't she? >> we're a closely divided nation. i've run all my races in virginia. and to me this seems like every race i've ever been in. this is a state that's been a very close state. actually that we're even close at all in virginia is kind of new to us, and the poll you reported at all about the
virginia results is real positive, but i encourage hillary to run for president in april of 2014. and i told her, don't believe any poll. you're trying to do something that's never been done. you're the underdog until they call you the winner. so i think this thing will be close right up until the end. we have to make our case every day. the debates are a great way to do that. >> dickerson: you mentioned virginia. the first african american governor of virginia, doug wilder, who supported you campaign as governor, reportedly told you this, "let's assume trump is the worst guy in the world. fine. what makes you better? because you're not considered the worst, but you're right next to it. " what's your response to that? >> again, we have to make our case that there's a reason we're doing well in virginia right now, because i think voters have looked at us and have decided that they really embrace our message. you know, there's three pillars to the campaign all under the "stronger together" banner, an economy that works for everybody, not just for a few, and i think people embrace that over a dog-eat-dog or
winner-take-all economy. we have to be safe in this world, but safety depends on building alliances, not shredding them. that's a huge difference between hillary and donald trump, and finally, and this is really important, you got to build a community of respect. the disrespectful language that donald trump uses about racial minorities, accusing the president of noting being a unid states citizen, immigrants, women, people who worship as muslim, that's not who we are in virginia, and i don't think those are the values of the american electorate. >> dickerson: governor, in terms of the pitch you make to voters, i come up with it again, and again, and voters keep coming back to this trust issue, this is a key liability of hillary clinton. what can you tell not about a choice in terms of somebody who wants to be president. what can you tell voters other than trust us that hillary clinton will do increased transparency and openness were she to become president? >> well, here's what i say: hillary has a long track record of service in public life.
you can look at that. i tell the story about her being first lady of the united states when the effort to get hillary clinton done failed, and that was a tough, tough, bitter loss, but then it tested her as a leader, and she worked together with democrats and republicans to get health insurance for eight million low-income american children in the chip program. the measure of character in somebody in public life i think is whether they have a passion for somebody other than themselves and whether they keep after that passion whether they are winning or losing. hillary has demonstrated that again and again. and i think that's a sharp contrast to a donald trump whose only recognized passion in his life has been for himself. no great president in this country has been primarily a me-first person. the great presidents are people who watch out for others, and that's who hillary clinton has been, that's who she is,, and that's who she will be. >> dickerson: senator kaine, we have to leave it there. thanks so much for being with us. >> absolutely. good to be back. >> dickerson: we turn now to the other candidate for vice
president, indiana governor mike pence, who joins us from the campaign trail in des moines, iowa. governor, most candidates would be hitting the books. donald trump has been out campaigning almost just like regular. so how has he been preparing for the debate? >> well, i think donald trump has been preparing for this debate for his intief -- entire lifetime. he's built a great business. he's traveled the country, and particularly in this campaign, john. as you saw last night in roanoke, virginia, donald trump has been out among the american people. i think he's given voice to the frustrations and aspirations of the american people like no american leader in my lifetime since ronald reagan. and i think all of that is going to combine and come together, and i'm looking forward to seeing this good man, my running mate, step on that stage and present his message to make america great again to the american people. >> dickerson: he suggests the moderator shouldn't fact check in the debates.
why shouldn't they? >> i think we all had the experience a few years ago of mitt romney being interrupted and being challenged on an assertion that he made. i believe it was about the tragedy in benghazi. and it turned out the mod rateer was wrong. i think the important thing is the american people hear from these two candidates. the choice in this campaign could not be more clear inch donald trump we have a leader who literally embodies the american spirit, who wants to change the direction of this country through rebuilding our military, less tax, less regulation, repealing obamacare, standing by the constitution, and hillary clinton literally offers a third obama term, more of the same, more taxes, more regulation, more obamacare, more of the war on energy, and more of the policies that have weakened america's place in the world. we need the hear from these two candidates, and i hope and trust that the moderators will just facilitate that. >> dickerson: donald trump has said recently, "i will always tell you the truth."
do you expect everything he says in the debate on monday night will be truthful? >> i think donald trump always speaks straight from his mind and straight from his heart. i think he's the most... >> does he speak the truth? >> dickerson: do we expect everything to be the truth on monday night? >> absolutely, john. he's going to speak the truth to the american people. that's why you see the tremendous momentum in this campaign. you see it in the polls. there are polls out today that show it's virtually a dead heat. there's tremendous momentum because the american people want change, and they see in donald trump a leader who embodies the american spirit. >> dickerson: recently some u.s. military hit some syrian army by mistake recently. donald trump said they were the gang that couldn't shoot straight. is it wise to say about your military that "they are the gang that couldn't shoot straight"? >> when you look at the policies of this administration... >> dickerson: he was talking
about the people involved in the attack, sir, not the administration? >> well, i think what you're going to have in donald trump in a commander-in-chief, john, is someone who is going to speak boldly. he's going to have high expectations. we're going to rebuild the military in this country, provide them with the resources and the training they need to be able to defend our freedom and prosecute the actions the commander-in-chief calls on them to do. the contrast with this administration where hillary clinton and obama made a decision to withdraw all u.s. forces by the end of 2012 from iraq literally created a vacuum in which isis was able to overrun vast areas of iraq that had been hard won by the american soldiers. the other side thinks that calling that out is disrespectful to the military, but as the father of a united states marine, as someone who is with veterans and military service personnel every day out across this country, they long, they all long for a commander-in-chief who will make the right investment, who will
support our troops at home and abroad, and they'll have that in donald trump. >> dickerson: one last question to you, governor. donald trump has made a lot on the campaign trail about poll tightses who receive donations and how they are puppets of the people who donate to them. you received donations. there are a lot of republicans who have. why is donald trump wrong about the idea about that people who get money are puppets? >> i don't think that's the point he's really been making. i think his point is that we've had a system in this country that really has benefited the fared, from wall street to washington, d.c., we've seen money flowing in to politics, and the american people really end up on the losing side. one time after another. i truly do believe that when donald trump becomes president of the united states, that pay-to-play system is going to come to an end. the american people are responding to donald trump, and you see it in the polls.
we see it in the crowds. because they know when he becomes presidents of the united states, donald trump is going to be fighting for the american people every single day. >> dickerson: i hear you, but he said, governor, that those who meet with charles and david koch are the puppets of public. now, charles koch has donated to you, so why are some people who meet with them puppets, but you're not? that's what seems to be confusing. >> look, donald trump has his own way of speaking in public life, and look, in a political campaign, things can get a little rough and tumble, but i'll tell you, he and i stand shoulder to shoulder in the belief that we can make america great again. i think what the american people will see tomorrow night on the debate stage, john, is a strong leader with a clear vision to rebuild our military, revive our economy, make appointments to our supreme court that will uphold our constitution. that will be a dramatic contrast from hillary clinton, who offers more of the same. it's going to be change versus the status quo, and i'm looking forward to being front and
center in that debate and seeing donald trump take his case to the american people. >> dickerson: all right, governor. we'll have to leave it there with tissue of puppetry unresolved. we thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you, john. >> dickerson: we spoke with house speaker paul ryan earlier and discussed the presidential race and how it fits in with ryan's agenda for house republicans. a better way. but we begin with his thoughts on the police shootings and violence in charlotte and tulsa. and what could be done about them. >> it's heartbreaking. and this country has to find new ways of learning how to heal and understand all the different perspectives. we have a working group on. they were in detroit last week doing listening sessions. they're now all doing ride-alongs with the police. and what we're trying to do is quietly and calmly come together and find where we can find some common solutions. is there a role for leaders to come in and play that calming role? >> that's what we're doing with our working group. but again, i don't want to make the case that the federal
government can just pass along, this is all going to go away. i think what we need to do is make sure we go into communities, listen, learn,'d -- identify local home-grown sliewptions and see if we can replicate them. >> dickerson: in terms of the relationship between races in america, has that gotten better or worse as a result of the presidential campaign? >> i don't think we're in a good place right now, that's for sure. i can't tell you whether it's gotten better or worse. we've made great progress, but we we have a long way to go. we have to get out of our comfort zone, understand what other people are thinking and saying and what they see, and try to come up with common-ground solutions. that to me is the kind of healing that has to occur. you're not going to have that done in the fourth quarter of a presidential election. this is campaign season. >> dickerson: you said at one point when we talked you hoped that donald trump would offer a positive vision that is inclusive. has he done that? >> well, i think he has in
certain areas. i think... i'm glad that he's making inroads into the african american community. i think the effort is very important. half of it is just showing up. showing up and trying and learning and listening. >> dickerson: but it's been in the fourth quarter. >> he's brand-new at this. you know, he never ran for office before. it is in the fourth quarter. but i'm glad he's doing it. so i think he's going to learn as he goes. but what i see in this campaign is a very binary choice. i came here to do big things. i took this job to do big things to, fix big problems that are kind of getting out of control in this country, and i think we have a far greater chance of success at getting those solutions in place with donald trump clearly than hillary clinton. >> dickerson: recently donald trump offered some proposals that republicans like you and you inspecific used to call an unfunded mandate. why is the republican nominee proposing a non-conservative, unfunded mandate? >> i think he's trying to get at
an issue we all want to get at. there are women in the workforce that have additional challenges. we have problems that need to be addressed. so what i'm excited about is he's jumping into the policy realm, offering ideas and solutions. that's the kind of debate we want to have. we want to not only just acknowledge that we have problems in this country that need fixing, but we want to get on to debating solutions themselves. i welcome the fact he's offering concrete policy solutions to fix problems that we need to address in this country. that's a great step in the right direction. >> dickerson: even if they're ones that... >> sure. no problem. >> dickerson: let me ask you about that. you have worked with the center for responsible budget. they've scored the trump plan as created $5.3 trillion in increased debt. >> yeah, i don't know if i would agree with that particular score. we are offering a tax reform plan that the tax foundation and others have looked at which is very responsible, which we think, according... >> dickerson: but is donald trump's responsible? >> i haven't looked at the details. his latest plan, are you talking about his latest tax plan? it's much closer to the one
we're offering. >> dickerson: but it still has a huge deficit number. he doesn't want to touch entitlements. >> so obviously we're offering comprehensive hillary clinton and entitlement reform. we think donald trump will be more than willing to work with us on this. more importantly, on the tax plan, you have to get tax race down to create more economic growth. our plan does that. his plan is similar to ours. so i think we're all going in the right direction. >> dickerson: do voters know that? presidential campaigns tend to... >> dickerson: donald trump is driving the bus here. he's driving the bus with a plan that has a much different deficit than you would allow. he's offering plans for maternity leave thrush limbaugh says are not conservative. these are his plans. is the bus going to go in his direction? >> dickerson: congress writes these laws. congress is the one that writes the laws that puts them on the president's desk. our congress is offering very specific solutions. i know from talking to donald trump repeatedly about these things that we have someone that
is going to work with us on putting these reforms in place. so i have every bit of confidence that we have a president that we can work with to get these things done. i know for fact hillary clinton's not for any of these things. so to me it's a pretty clear choice. >> dickerson: but i know choices are important in election, but isn't there a standard that a candidate should live up to in terms of whether things add up, whether there's operating westbound the rules and truths of the way things are? >> truth? hillary clinton --. >> dickerson: wait. i'm asking about... you know there is a standard that a candidate has to live up to, right? you're trying to build a mandate. >> sure. i think donald trump is new. he's a business guy running for president. so you're not going to see a conventional campaign, because he is not a conventional politician. he's not even a politician. in many ways that's refreshing to people. i think that's why he's been so successful. i think that's why he won the primary in the first place. so what do we say and do about, this those of us here in congress in this majority. we say this is what we're going
to do. this is the direction we're heading. >> dickerson: so the public should pay attention to your platform... >> they should pay attention to both of us because in conjunction with the nominee we're offering a unified front of solutions. >> dickerson: we'll be back in one minute with more of our one minute with more of our interview with speaker ryan and more on his advice to donald trump for debating hillary clinton. just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis. before starting stelara® tell your doctor if you think you have an infection or have symptoms such as: fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. always tell your doctor if you have any signs of infection, have had cancer, if you develop any new skin growths or if anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems,
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>> dickerson: i want to ask you about something donald trump said. he said our african american commune risk are absolutely in the worst shape they've ever been in before, ever, ever, ever. in the inner cities you get no education, no jobs, you get shot walking down the streets. honestly, places like afghanistan are safer than some of our inner cities. do you see it that way? >> i don't see it that way. that's not how i would describe it, but i'm glad he's going to these communities. >> dickerson: you're focusing on listen, but when someone says you're going to get shot, you get no education, no jobs, is that listening or is that telling? >> i think he's campaigning. i think there is a difference here. but like i said, i am pleased that he's making the effort. not every person running for president does that. this is something that republicans need to do more of. more of us need to go to communities. we hope to get a perspective so we can come up with solutions. >> dickerson: when you look at the election, what do you think?
>> i have no idea. it's that kind of election where it's not clear the direction we're going. so i have... i'm very hopeful that this can go the right way and we can get these solutions under way. the reason i took this job as speaker, a job i never was looking for, you can do big things. i want to fix these problems. and to do it soon. i really worry if we don't tackle these problems in our country soon, they'll tackle us. >> dickerson: mr. speaker, thanks. >> thank you, john. >> thank you, john. >> dickerson: and we'll be back in a moment. t if you don't. and you can't be our leader, if you don't lead. our next president needs to take action on social security, or future generations could lose up to $10,000 a year. we're working hard, what about you? hey candidates, do your jobs. keep social security strong. you may be muddling through allergies.oned with...
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