tv Face the Nation CBS January 29, 2017 8:30am-9:01am PST
captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: today on "face the nation" the trump presidency launches it's first week with a flurry of activity. faces a backlash after president trump restreubgts refugees from entering the u.s. >> this is working out very nicely. you see it at the airports and all over. it's working out very nicely. we will be strict and have extreme vetting. >> dickerson: just hours after president trump signed an order restricting refugees protest erupted across the nation at airports. capping a controversial first week as the president took actions as he said on the campaign trail. rolling back obamacare.
a key trade agreement. building a wall between the u.s. and mexico. and building a relationship with russia. we talk with reince priebus and with john mccain. we hear from the first muslim member of the house, keith ellison. we will have plenty of political analysis, it's all ahead on "face the nation." >> dickerson: good morning, welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. airports were flooded with protesters yesterday. after visa and green card holders from the seven predominantly muslim countries named in president trump's immigration ban were denied entry. some incoming passengers were held for hours. late last night a federal judge issued a stay of deportations for immigrants in the country or
in transit. around the world several u.s. allies including the united kingdom, france and germany condemned the action. iran and iraq have threatened resip owe cal actions against the united states. we begin with the chief of staff, reince priebus. good morning mr. priebus. i want to start with the message this sends this. is the first move donald trump has taken with international reaction. is this america's first message? >> absolutely. yesterday, what people need to understand is 325,000 foreign travelers came into the united states. about 109 of those people were detained for further questioning. they came from the identified seven countries that the obama administration and both houses of congress have identified as
countries that hasher and train terrorists. they were asked questions. the vast majority of the people were released. a couple dozen people remained for further questioning. my suspicion is those people will move on as long as they're not dangerous and perhaps a couple of them will be further detained because it's determined they're dangerous for this country. this was a promise that president elect -- president trump made. it's a promise he will keep. he's not willing to be wrong on this subject. we need to do our best to be vigilant and protect americans. >> dickerson: there was another 170 or so stopped before getting on planes. >> that's right. dickerson: let me ask you about green card holders. there is confusion about those with lawful permanent residence in the united states. our understanding is they will get extra scrutiny if they come in the seven countries, is that
correct? >> the executive order itself is not placing further burdens on people with green cards. the reality, this is where people get confused, a customs and border control agent has a wide discretion in asking questions and making sure the person coming in is not dangerous to americans. what i'm trying to explain , if you're a person with a green card for whatever reason from yemen. you're coming back and forth from yemen to jfk. it's reasonable to expect a few more questions for you, wondering why you come back and forth from yemen. maybe it's no big deal. it does mean that, that person traveling back and forth from one of those countries will get a -- a few more questions. >> dickerson: let me ask you this. the director from the white house is a case by case basis
the border control agents do that. it's not their discretion only but they're encouraged by the white house. and the muslim ban, the president says it's not one and christians will be prioritized. did you check with other muslim countries to anticipate the backlash from this. >> hang own a second. the order says persecuted muslims have priority as well. that's a piece that's getting totally -- however you want to call it. misreported or not fully reported. it is not only christians but persecuted muslims as well this. is not a muslim ban. this is identifying seven countries. the reason we chose the seven countries, those were the seven countries that the congress and obama administration identified as the seven countries most identifiable with dangerous
terrorism taking place in their country. you can point to other countries with similar problems like pakistan and others. perhaps we need to take it further. for now mediate steps, pulling the bandaid off is to do further vetting for people traveling in and out of the countries. 80% issue, john. >> dickerson: let me -- to get, when president trump was interviewed by the christian broadcasting network. the question was asked, do you see christians with a priority here. the president said yes. back to my central question, did you touch base with the secretary of state. any of the embassies in countries affected or would react to this or to the ambassadors of those countries? any outreach. >> listen, there was plenty of outreach that went on between the state department and the department of home land security. we didn't just type this up in the office in the white house and sign it there has been weeks
of work going on. a lot of communication has happened. the other thing is, this we're not advertising to the world that we're going to put a stop or at least a further vetting on travel in and out of our country from these seven places. some people suggested, john, maybe we should of given everyone a 3-day warning. that means terrorists would move up travel plans by throw days. identifying people in these countries and giving them a heads up in these countries would only potentially flag -- >> dickerson: i understand. what i haven't heard you say, yes we reached out to let them know. this is why i ask, secretary of defense, james mattis, asked about the muslim ban. this is what the secretary of defense said back then. he said, they think we have completely lost it. this is causing us great damage now. it is sending shockwaves through the international system. that is about something donald
trump said in the campaign. it touches on the reaction of this executive order. that's the world out there now. as we see a new president in act i go here. what efforts has he or anyone else taken particularly to deal with what is called a muslim ban overseas. that's just a reality of how things are. what action is being taken? >> today for example the president has a call with leadership in saudi arabia and united air emrits. the truth is we have to protect americans first. these are countries that hasher and train terrorists. we want to know who is coming and going out of these countries. we're be willing to be wrong on this subject. president trump is not willing to take chances on this subject. he was elected president in many
respects because people knew he would be tough on immigration from countries that harbor terrorists. i can't imagine too many people out there watching this now, think it's unreasonable to ask a few more questions for those traveling in and out of libya and yemen before being let loose in the united states. that's all this is. >> dickerson: the question is doesn't seem like the administration did anything to soften the blow of something it believes strongly in. >> there is no reason to soften the blow. you need to pull the bandaid off john and protect the country from another san bernadino. that was a person with a valid k1 sraoes a a spousal visa, came into the country committed a horrific crime -- >> dickerson: the president was a u.s. citizen. >> she was on a k1, spousal sraoes afplt. >> dickerson: from one of the seven countries. >> listen -- - maybe you're
right, maybe we should expanded the countries. >> dickerson: is that coming? >> like the two people in kentucky planning an attack in kentucky. president obama suspended that program. >> dickerson: in 2011. >> in 2011. the point is valid visas are great. it doesn't mean you shouldn't be subjected to further questioning. >> dickerson: sure. how about diplomacy on russia. the president talked to vladimir putin. did conversation about russian efforts metaling in the last election. >> i won't get into the contents line by line, john, for a secure call in the oval office. it was a positive call. it was a call where president putin and president trump talked to work together, number one to eradicate ice is and terrorism. to work together to resolve problems around the world including syria. there wasn't anything not
positive about the call. it was an initial call. more of a congradulatory call. it was exactly as the read out said it was yesterday. in the end people should be encouraged by the fact we're starting off on a descent footing with leaders around the world including president putin. >> dickerson: that means so sanctions were discussed either. let me ask you a question about the border wall. there was confusion how it might be paid for. there was talk about a 20% import tax. the response to that from the left and right, that would essentially pass the cost onto american consumers. can you straighten that out for us? >> yes i can straighten that out. there is no final conclusion how the wall will be paid for by the mexican government. it can either be through a tax on goods coming through the border, a tax and formula on import and export taxes and
credits. it could be on drug cartels. it could be on people coming here illegally and paying fines. it could be all of the above. there is a buffet of options we have in order to pay for the wall. we need to pay for the wall. we will build the wall. it will get done. so, we're at the beginning stages of this process. we have been in office for about seven or eight days. we have done an incredible amount. think one thing the people can say about president trump, he's following through on his promises. i don't think people should be surprised he's doing it. i am kind of surprised that people are surprised he's actually conducting himself the way he said he would. being a nan of action and protecting americans. >> dickerson: he has done a lot. people are trying to figure out what it all means and get it straight. mr. priebus, we appreciate being
with us. thank you so much. >> thank you, john. dickerson: joining us now in studio is senator john mccain. what is your reaction to president trump's travel ban? >> it is a confused process which the good news is it's only got to do with a pause. the bad news is obviously this process and conclusions were not vetted. there are so many questions, for example it didn't filter down to our customs people who can come in, who can't. is a green card hold eras originally interpreted legally in this country, can that person be bard from coming into the country. i talked with general petrius last night he's concerned about the special sraoess for the interpreters whose lives are in danger as we speak. what about the iraqi pilots training now in tucson, arizona,
learning to fly the f16. there will be more coming in. so, there is so much confusion out there. published reports are that the department of home land security or the justice department or others were consulted about this before this decision was made. finally one thing, iraq -- iran. right now we have several thousand americans fighting in iraq against ice is along side iraqi men and women. the battle has taken an enormous toll on the iraqi military. is iraq the same an eye ran is, of course not. it's a very confusing process. i'm glad it's a pause. for us, we have to understand the ramifications of this kind of action. >> dickerson: let me ask you about the international
ramifications. reince priebus, the chief of staff, says this is a big signal in what america first means. how do you think the rest of the world interprets this as a sign what had donald trump wants to do with his presidency? >> i think you saw the reaction of the prime minister of england who had a successful visit here and the european nations. that's another thing that should of been done, of course. to alert our friends and allies what we were doing. because we expect them to cooperate because people are leaving from these various places, particularly in europe. so, i think the affect will probably in some areas give ice is more propaganda. i'm very concerned about our affect on the iraq he's right now. the dominant influence in iraq today is not the united states of america. it's iran.
so, what will the iraqi parliament do? if we're talking about the fight against extremists and isis, there is a battle going on as we speak. we certainly don't need an impediment in driving isis out. >> dickerson: let me switch to russia. chief of staff praoeb i couldn's americans should be encouraged by the hour long phone call. were you encouraged. >> i think phone calls are fine. we have to understand what putin is. he has used precision weapons to bomb hospitals in lepo. that use to qualify as a war crime. his ambitions of destabilizing very nations is very clear. not to mention the attempt to
affect america easy election. i believe that peace through strength is the answer. i'm glad that president trump has committed to rebuilding our military. that's one of our first priorities if we're going to deal on a equal basis with vladimir putin. >> dickerson: is there a signal that president trump should send, the u.s. military should send, the u.s. government should send to russia? donald trump -- is there another sign. >> give defensive waebz to the ukrainians. -- weapons to the ukraines. at the our baltic friends there will be a permanent american presence in the countries. give some credit to the obama saadmin. sthraeugs began there. it has to be a clear support. then we have to look at the
propaganda, against the ball ticks particularly. >> dickerson: the question of water boarding. although the president supports torture the secretary of defense says no. will he trust him. is the issue done for you? >> i hope and pray it's done. i appreciate the general's comment and general mattis' comment of what it does to the people who commit the torture. this is an aspect we haven't examined as much as we should. >> dickerson: more broadly do you find hope in that. you have differences in president trump. he says i have given the secretary of defense the power to over rule me. do you see that more broadly as a positive sign for president trump? >> i think the national security team around president trump is very impressive. i don't think you could ask for a better one. general kelly, general mattis.
the ones they're bringing onto their team. i am worried about the national security council, who are the members of it and the permanent members. the appointment of mr. banon is a radical departure of any security council in history. remember carl rove when he sat in on one and axelrod. look the roll of the chairman of the joint chief of staffs has been did diminished with this reorganization. one person indispensable is the joint chief of staffs, in my view. stkeufplt than>> dickerson: thae to leave it there.
defenders would say after the -- jimmy carter asked students to reports to immigration offices. during the obama administration they paused the iraqi refugee processing. what donald trump is doing here is maybe bigger but keeping with what previous presidents have done. >> you know what, we never have had a religious based ban before. this is a muslim ban, they can't deny it. on the campaign trail he said he wanted a muslim ban. he said on national television there would be other religious groups receiving priority. this is a muslim ban. rudy guiliani who helped him write it said they started with a muslim ban and then languaged it up to avoid that label. it is a religiously based ban which is something that -- our constitution says congress shall make no law establishing a
religion or bridge free exercise there of. this is a violation of equal protection. it's a religiously based ban. they can ban muslims why can't they ban mormons why. not move into ethnic groups. >> dickerson: they have named countries already named on lists by the obama administration. if it was a muslim ban why not ban pakistan, turkey, egypt. none of those countries are affected ? >> according to reince priebus they're working on it that's what i heard him tell you. they may add more. the fact is terrorism, a horrible surge on the planet, comes from all kinds of places. somewhere the majority of the population is muslim some not. it even comes from within our country. the fact is we could not make a religious based distinction. we have to go based on the
evidence that we find that people are actually engaged in. let me tell you. when you ban refugees these folks go through an 18-24 month vetting as it is. the fact is, you talk about banning syrians about throw quarters of those folks are women and children. a full third are kids under 12 years old. children, syrian children -- >> dickerson: let me ask you -- >> -- dieing in war. he said those children have no place of refuge in america. i find that unamerican. >> dickerson: you're running to be the head of the democratic national committee. >> right. dickerson: you will be in these debates with president trump. the antidefamation league look at comments i made in 2010, they say they're discalling for you to be head of the dnc. what's your response to that? the comments were about usa -- muslim countries. >> let me tell you this.
the fact is that we are, i'm wanting to talk about a muslim ban. not clip tapes and smears that the right wing is shooting at me. the fact is this morning the president of the united states has issued executive orders to try to punish cities giving help to those undocumented. their police forces working on be half of the people of that city. he has issued a religiously based ban. he has -- >> dickerson: congress man, we have to leave it there, i'm afraid. >> thank you, sir. dickerson: sorry, we're out of time. thank you, congressman. we will be back in a moment.
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