tv Face the Nation CBS January 30, 2017 2:00am-2:31am PST
>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation." i'm john dickerson. joining us for political analysis, molly ball covering politics for thetlantic. peter baker who has been on assignment in israel. jamelle buoy. and radio host hue hue mit who has a new book out. welcome to all of you. peter, i want to start with you. you have covered a lot of white houses. give me your assessment of the roll out of this ban, and how it's been received. >> obviously it hasn't been rolled out with great efficiency. people don't know what to make it of. the whraoeut house says one thing. dhs says another. that maybe what the president
wants. he may want to create, you know a sense of -- sense of tkraeupl a and action. it looks like he's doing a big thing. they didn't choose to come out and say this is a narrow thing. that's what you heard this morning when you interviewed reince priebus. he could of said we're taking a narrowly taylor ad proefp to create a saver environment. over all it won't affect most people. they chose to make it seem like a big thing. it became a big thing. >> dickerson: it turns out, president trump is doing what candidate trump said he would do. >> that's right. president trump promised additional scrutiny and vetting to muslim immigrants and refugees. the immigration says this is a narrowly tailored measure they have sold it as a broad measure. it was interpret interpretd andd it was a broad measure. it's in keeping with the
president's rhetoric during the campaign. if anyone was surprised they shouldn't of been surprised. it's been clear from the beginning that president trump plans to carry out campaign prom siss. the problem is some are extremely unpopular. evidence by the mass demonstrations happening against this yesterday. >> dickerson: hugh, there are been a series of different arguments against this. praoeb i couldn't say said this is an 10 percent issue. conservatives have said this is an executive over reach and stepping on what congress should do. on the diplomatic front john mccain says there doesn't appear to be outreach or paving the way. praoeb i couldn'priebus said heo tip a hand. where do you keep on this? >> think it's a ten day campaign to frame president trump's roll out. a man of action. i agree with everything that has
been said. i believe the press reaction is some bit hysterical. there are broad waves that the 50,000 numbers was the average of 2001-2015 of the refuge ez entered into the united states. president obama increased significantly last year. he had a very good defining ten days. this does put a cap on his extreme vetting. he's keeping his campaign commitments. >> dickerson: molly, he's keeping his campaign commitments. home land security had some confusion, no order until friday. the press wasn't briefed. not just our per og stiffs but the people whose in name this action is taking place. hugh is exactly right a lot of points on the board. is this a cost to the rush. >> the points on the board are
largely symbolic, right. the polling, we weren't in it anyway. everyone assumed it was dead. the building of the wall is more a statement of intent then anything, no groined has been broken. a lot of hoops to jump through before that's done. i agree it was very definitional a lot of actions he took. president trump will be judged when he actually gets results and weather he actually makes america great again. as he said in his inaugural this is the hour of ago eugs. he has created a spectacle reaction. hysterical reaction is a point. he's a provocative thinker. he loves to make peoples heads explode and do things in a disruptive manner. this is an image he likes, he will be judged eventually when the rubber hits the road. you know obamacare is another example. the executive order to roll back
obamacare, largely symbolic. when congress does anything can they get it done. that's what will count. >> the point of image is key. i think what president trump may understand is that the kind -- let's say a hysterical backlash to this can harden the opposition seeing among democratic activists and liberal activists two beliefs. one the trump administration is targeting religious and racial minorities in the action. two, any democrat cooperating, not just these things but anything increasingly the attitude is we don't want that democrat in office. >> can i add what he didn't do. he didn't revokes doca. controversial to that opinion. he didn't lift sanctions on russia. senator mccain brought that forward. it goes back 180 years, we have
no internal allies or perpetual -- i would say the one thing setting off the alarm bill is including iraq on the list. i agree with senator mccain on that. too much is at stake. he didn't target muslims. he didn't send out the dreamers. there is a moderation under the actions. i think it's admirable and political. it will be reinforced this week with the supreme court. >> he's not trying to sell moderations or sell collisions behind it. he's not saying my actions are reasonable. i'm reaching out to chuck schumer and the congress. the reason he may of slowed down russian sanctions is senator mccain and senator mcconnell said we're not for. that we have legislation that would clearly pass with a bipartisan majority legislating the sanctions. that made things look differently. he's noting about collisions
behind anything looking or selling moderate. >> i would@, yet. nixon goes to china in 72 not 69. you're tough at the start you get soft eras you go on. >> approval rating is 36 percent. i think the trump administration has to take this cost seriously. >> dickerson: not just domestic costs. there are responses overseas. the chief of staff can argue this and make a case on american television. a lot of opinions will be formed in actions taken overseas. doesn't seem to be action from the white house on what reince praoeb i couldn't say saipriebud overseas. >> trump doesn't want to do things traditionally. but traditionally beginning as a president is a opportunity to show you're governing in a
broadway and reach to collisions. this administration is taking a different approach, divisive approach. we don't know yet the consequences of all of the provocative actions he has taken diplomatically. the dust up with mexico this week. we don't know where that will end. we don't know if the master negotiator will make mexico pay for the wall that the american tax payer is on the hook for. will that end in a diplomatic crisis, a trade war, rolling back of nafta. in a lot of ways despite the symbolism it's too early to tell the concrete consequences. when the president will be test s-d when he has to face a unexpected crisis. when he has to face the actions of another government with consequences for americans. >> this week king abdullah of jordan, a close american ally is
coming to washington. think he's rushing don't put the embassy in jerusalem. he doesn't have an appointment with the president. he's flying on the a cements hee will see someone. the president doesn't want to see an arab leader before he sees the leader of israel. the people can come here under the immigration order that was issued but he represents a larger community. it will be interesting to see how they manage. that. >> dickerson: we will stay overseas before we get to the smorgasbord of dough mostics. a press conference with theresa may who had a press meeting with president trump. this is what she said about the conversation they had. >> mr. president, i think you confirmed you're a hundred
percent behind nato. we also discuss the importance of nato continuing to insure it's equipped to fight terrorism, cyber warfare as conventional signs of war. >> dickerson: hugh, how did you read this. it seems like you said this behind closed doors and maybe not now but you're committed to nato. >> that's exactly how i read that. i think the prime minister, remarkable, and the president it was the high point. especially the humor with the british reporter aggressive on his past statements. it was a good meeting with a strong ally. the best part of a very strong ten days with it's bumps. she was doing exactly. that we will stand together against russia. we will do this, you're on the record now. >> dickerson: recognizing concern about his public segments on nato. let's talk about about the
president meeting with republicans in philadelphia. it seems like everyone there is on the same team. >> that's right. you see this with the, yesterday the reaction to the immigration order. few republicans, two republicans step out criticizing directly in terms. it seems especially with the speaker, paul ryan, they are very much sim pat sy mpatico ag in the same direction. again everyone is behaving as president trump has a broad level of political support. that's not reflected in the approval and favorability numbers, from the action of democratic law makers. at some point someone will realize perhaps within the gop their president may not be as popular as he's projected. then what happens. >> he's fop aou hrar with
republican primary voters. that's who the republicans are scared of. there isn't that much unit behind the scenes. they're terrified of seeming not to be on the scene. they're looking to be like they are for the same thing. actually they don't know what he wants to do with healthcare. they're waiting for the signal to figure out their approach. various things have been floated. they know trump could tweet or say something tomorrow that could send them scrambling in another direction. their voters want them on the president team. want trump to be the leader. if trump wants to do something that republicans haven't been for. when he talked about infrastructure you would of heard a pin drop. if trump persist seeking what is a democratic priority, spending government money to build things it will be tough for republicans
to figure out to scramble in line behind. that there is fear and uncertain see in the republican caucus. >> dickerson: we will continue to talk about this. we will take a break but be back with more from our panel. ♪ looking for clear answers for your retirement plan? start here. or here. even here. and definitely here. at fidelity, we're available 24/7 to make retirement planning simpler. we let you know where you stand, so when it comes to your retirement plan, you'll always be absolutely...clear. ♪ time to think of your future it's your retirement. know where you stand.
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cans. as molly said there are issues of infrastructure spending, defense spending, what he wants to do on drug prices. they're not traditionally conservative ideas. how do you think that accommodation gets worked out with republican leaders and congress? >> they won't make a war out of it. if he delivers a judge to the supreme court the senate will rally. the democrats are ob strucking his nominations in a way that republicans did not. there is a great deal of unaminity. infrastructure i want to give him a tenth of obama and i think he will do a hundred times as much. there is a splitting. paul ryan gets entitlement reform and president trump gets infrastructure and ship building. >> you saw this from the republican retreat.
i am a nerd and love the days of border tax policy. the reif you i will cans in congress was a border adjustment. different from the tariff that trump wants to do. you have republicans even some in the white house fudging it and say they're the same thing. they're not the same thing. it's not clear who will get their way. whether the republicans who are strongly convicted about fiscal conservatism. a lot feel that got them elected. whether they will go along with trump seeking his way. >> dickerson: and any deal of entitlement reform donald trump says he doesn't want to do. it's a significant climb down of what he has said and advisors have said. jamelle, democrats tried to be smart had and sneak in there with their own infrastructure bill. go ahead, mr. president, sign it how do you think that plays out.
>> i don't know. i see the strategy there for democrats, democrats to say we're putting forth a serious plan, something that will improve the nation's infrastructure. the plan trump proposes has tax incentives for private business. and democrats are more straight forward a stimulus style. the federal government will actively fund infrastructure programs. i think that approach is in direct tension what had seems to be, i said this earlier, the rising mood among democratic voters. some segment, certainly activists. i don't think it was -- i think it's noteworthy that yesterday the governors who jumped out to say we oppose this and will do whatever it takes to stop it are from virginia, andrew cuomo from new york. these are moderate democrats. these are not lefty. they sense the mood of
democratic voters that even this sort of here is our better plan to work with you and trump approach is unacceptable. >> dickerson: interesting also donald trump met with union leaders. some supporting hillary clinton. he said i have roads and bridges to sell you. let's build them. that was a reach in. let me ask you about the affordable care act. donald trump says he wants something cheap, covering everyone, better and won't touch entitlements. that's a tall order. a lot of republicans feel that's a tall order. how nervous -- how does this get worked out between what donald trump wants and realistic. >> he has adopted president owe guam a's promises but not the means to get there. can you find different means. have they said look i don't think it's right for the government to be involved in
healthcare. it's not the government responsible to make sure people have health coverage. that would be a philosophical idea. he says make sure nobody loses coverage or benefits of the program without the costs. it's a hard thing to square. that's why you heard on the tapes from philadelphia the mashing of teeth of republicans. they feel they will be left holding the bag for promises they didn't make. >> dickerson: how does this get worked out, hao *up. >> you have to get the confirmation. there is a phis over the calk he is of repale -- i am repeal it now and give it a dead date 18 months forward. then come up with a replacement. get it done. i will say this, john, steve banning -- the white house. reince praoeb i couldn't say did a fine job defending the president. kelly is everywhere.
jared is in the conversation. adding steve has upset senator mccain tells me there maybe a first among equals on policy. i haven't heard him say a word about obamacare. i don't think they know what they want yet. that leaves the congressional waiting. the senate needs to get him confirmed. >> dickerson: let me ask you this, banning, what the are rolls in the white house and who plays what roll. this week in a meet are of congressional leader president trump said he believes there were three million illegal votes and that's why he lost the vote. that's a belief he holds spicer said. usually they rush to defend and not put it over here. what did you make of that? and now the investigation of voter fraud? >> it seems consistent with the donald trump i tkpwofd for a year and a half of the
presidential campaign. he believes a lot of things that are not true. he believes in conspiracy theory. he believes ted cruz's dad may of had something to do with the kennedy assassination. there are beliefs that donald trump holds and can't be diswadded. now he's pred and it has consequences. now he's president, when someone points out what he believes is not true he can order a investigation into it. the question is this investigation something his staff has done to placate him or is it something he felt pushed into, forced into by the criticism of his statement, that will have actual consequences in terms of legislation to be passed to make it harder to vote. that's what happened the last time republicans were obsessed with voter fraud. >> dickerson: huge question on steve bannon. in the white house they have to have someone to tell the
president no. the president has a interesting standard. on one hand the intelligent agencies tell him something about russia. he doesn't want to believe it. he will believe thin material on the question of three to five influenced. can someone say no to the president. >> that's a crediting question. i would say kuschner. -- jared is literally family. there are clearly interesting rolled rolls. ban south chief ideologist it seems. he has domestic and foreign policy philosophy. jared has his hands in many interesting things. when the meeting was canceled with the president of mexico jared got that going. he seems to be getting things done. can he go to his father-in-law and say this is not right. i don't know. if there is anyone it's probably
him. >> dickerson: there is an argument nobody should tell the president on this specific case no. he has launched voter irregula irregularities and republicans may want this. >> yes. there are voting right advocates that are afraid of this investigation. they feel if sessions is confirmed it's the entry point on voting rights. i want to get to banning real quick. the idea of achieve ideologist is important. one thing that's under examed about ban on is his relationship and his roll prior to joining the trump campaign. if you look what the administration has done this week. from the publicized crimes,
undocumented immigrants. this seems minor but the holocaust memorial statement not mentioning jewish americans or antisemitism. this is hallmarks of the white national rhetoric. you see them -- what exactly is ban on's rollnl here and his beliefs. >> dickerson: that's all we have time for. thank you to our panel. we will be right back.
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