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richard, gets a yard. that's it. >> ian: tonight on cbs begins with $60 minutes." prime time emmy awards. steven colbert hosts tonight, only cbs. replaced by washington. play clock down to two, one, they get the snap off. carr pump off and throw. washington gets drilled by darren lee, short of the first down.
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>> dan: drove his shoulder into washington, not helmet-to-helmet. >> ian: they're not going to kick the field goal. and it's fourth down. >> ian: are they going for a touchdown 42-20? what they wanted, the jump. >> dan: gives them the chance to run the clock out. first down. >> ian: goes the other way.
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>> ian: another kick. a lot of texts on that flip phone. the pictures are really small. >> ian: they are. nlts beam yourself anywhere. >> ian: a walk on at cal. supposed to play soccer at cal davis, 29 yard attempt. straight through for da vehiclo. 45-20, raiders. >> ian: coming up after the game, time permitting, state farm post-game show. the latest nfl scores and highlights, all coming up on the state farm post-game show. >> ian: part of the narrative, don't take the jets lightly after the oakland raiders.
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throughout the week, raiders saying the right things. head coach, jack del rio saying the right things. oakland takes this win. head to washington next week sunday night football, the raiders and the redskins. >> dan: afc west, afc east going to do a lot of cross-country traveling this year. always a question to the effect. i've always found the team with the better players, usually wins the game. >> ian: yeah. it's a long flight. your players are better. >> dan: wherever you play. >> ian: for the jets, they'll have their first home game of the season against the dolphins. host jacksonville. the same questions that popped up from week one will continue to pop up following week two. unable to stop the run, richard long touchdown. patterson long touchdown.
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lynch short touchdown. that one carries. final 25 seconds. >> dan: biggest positive for the jets, the play of the quarterback, mccown. got his team back to 14-10 then the muffed punt. >> ian: or the play of sam darnold for usc. >> dan: he was awesome. >> ian: mcgwire, big hole for him. mirgs first down and that will do it. oakland raiders 2-0 for the first time in 15 years.
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raiders dpom nate the jets 45-20 in oakland. >> ian: had the unfortunate injury to car late in the season cost them a playoff run. they have come back better in 2017. more weapons on offense. more confident on defense. the raiders put up 410 total yards, hold the jets 272 and win 45-20 over new york. tonight on cbs, begins with 60 minutes, followed by the 69th prime time emmy awards hosted by steven colbert.
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for dan fouts and evan washburn, the rest of the crew, ian eagle saying so long from oakland. we'll go to new york and the state farm post-game show. right after this. yeah, i just t of money by switching to geico. huh. we should take a closer look at geico... you know, geico insures way more than cars. boats, motorcycles... even rvs! geico insures rvs? what's an rv? uh, the thing we've been stuck on for five years! wait, i'm not a real moose?? we've been over this, jeff... we're stickers! i'm not a real moose? give him some space. deep breaths, jeff. what's a sticker?!? take a closer look at geico. great savings. and a whole lot more. >> geico play of the day. >> tom brady and the defending champion patriots have a way of rebounding off the loss. down in new orleans, brady finds
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gronkowski, marcus williams, prances 53 yards into the end zone. tb12 throws three first quarter touch downs. patriots make it look easy in the big easy. >> announcer: guy quo. 15 minutes could save 1u 5% or more on car insurance. y 5% or more on car insurance. o 5% or more on car insurance. u 5% or more on car insurance. 5% or more on car insurance. 1 5% or more on car insurance. 5% or more on car insurance. >> and welcome back to studio 43, and the state farm post-game show.
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tonight, on cbs, begins with 60 minutes. and one of the greatest writers of our time, john la carre. then your favorite stars on the prime time emmy awards, coming your way live, stephen colbert, only cbs. back with the full house boomer, nate, coach, and phil sometimes. phil simms. we have a lot, let's get to it. >> what a day for tom brady, threw for over 400 yards and three touchdown passes. all three touchdown passes came in the first quarter. that's the first time tom brady has done that, 1-1, offense is fine. gronk is hurt did not return. new england returns 36-20 over new orleans. >> fom brady, impressive, boomer. >> drew brees a big game but settling for field goals early on while the patriots were scoring touchdowns. >> all right, boomer, to the bills and panthers. bills quarterback tyrod taylor. toss as "hail mary" pass to wide
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receiver jones, drops the football, couldn't come up with the catch. carolina pulls off a 9-3 victory and a defensive classic here today. that's what it was. both defenses played well. bucks qb jameis winston touchdown pass to wide receiver mike evans in the corner. put the bucks up 10-0. and the bucks' defense dominating the chicago bears offense as they won 29-7. >> sam bradford department play for the minnesota vikings. case keenum did. it was all about ben roethlisberger and the pittsburgh steelers 267893 of 35, two touchdowns, one to martavius bryant, went 26-9, the defense stout, held minnesota to 237 yards total offense right there. bell had 87 yards rushing. across the way, the other divisional rival, right there, baltimore ravens, strong today, beat the cleveland browns 24-10.
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joe flacco, you see him, buck allen nine yards out. defense five more take-aways, ten in two games. they dominated, they are now 2-0 as well. deshawn kaiser, three interceptions on the day. >> coach a little breathing room, nate the afc north has it. >> i was wondering what they'll do when they came out in week two. they used all of their weapons. flacco looks good, macklin doing what they brought him to do. defense stepping up big, opportunistic, and you see right here, pressure, big hit on the qb. >> ouch. >> what he was saying, right there. then the dbs, swarming in the air. this is a lot different than we've seen over the last couple of years, spent time, money, they spent some picks on the defense. it's showing improvement, two weeks into the season. >> pittsburgh is not there conferencively just yet. ben had a decent saturday.
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didn't play well against cleveland. but in a couple of week when is they meet, baltimore and pittsburgh, right back at square one again. and i know, coach, you love these games. that's what the two teams bring to the table. one thing i'll say, working with ray lewis inside the nfl on show time, he said that this defense was going to be awesome. and so far so good out of the gates. basically, salted both teams. >> all working together for the ravens, when you watch their team. joe flacco, not playing the whole pre-season. no practice. he's getting grooved in there, doing his thing. they're running the ball well enough. offensive line is solid. but nate, you said it, the pass coverage is allowing the defensive front to could what it's doing, pressuring the quarterback. the ravens, are clicking on all cylinders. the steelers, two really uninfired games. nothing that stands out. and you know there's a lot more they can get better as time goes on. >> clearly coach has to put a period on this. >> as you said, the second week of the season right now. these two guys, teams are in on
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a collision course for this division. they have been in years past. and you're seeing both of them right now, playing the time of football they're identified with. it's offensive football, with good defense in pittsburgh. defensive football with enough offense in baltimore. that's who they are, that's their identity. >> nate help me with the math, 31 second half points by tennessee. nate take it away? >> tennessee at jacksonville, you're right, six points in the first half, exploded in the second half. derek henry getting in the end zone, long run right there, 17 yards. keep your eye on this running back. derek henry, more touches than demarco murray, going to be the guy that's the force in the offense, tennessee wins 37-16. arizona-indianapolis, a week after losing david johnson, a guy that had my vote for mvp, right here, learning that you don't test a honey badger in overtime. he seals it1. 1 straight games with take-aways for the defense. might not have the offense you want but the defense stepping up
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big, win 16-13. >> huge game for them. i tell you, two good teams, 13-13 early in the fourth quarter. wentz had the ball tipped, and kansas city just ended up running away with this game. took a 27-13 lead. tacks on a touchdown late, goes for "hail mary," doesn't make it. both of these teams are good enough to make it to the playoffs. carson wentz, trouble in the fourth quarter but fought all the way back. enough to have a shot at a "hail mary" at the end of the game. car ream hunt, he is a special running back. exactly what andy reid wanted to add to his speed receivers. >> doesn't car ream hunt recognize this isn't college? what is going on. >> i don't think he knows yet. everybody said he's not going to be fast enough to be dynamic. make these plays in the nfl. after two weeks -- >> who said that? >> the experts, guys like you, bill, put the stop watch on everything. when he gets out in the open he
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can go all the way and make big runs and score. we've seen he can catch the football. but kansas city, travis kelsey, tyreek hill, alex smith, good offensive smith, andy reid has more to work w he'll find ways to get the football. >> love your insight, coach, put that stop watch in context. >> we measure these guys at the combine with the 40 yard dash. he has good speed. he ran 4.6. dalvin cook ran 4.6. but they play the game fast. they play the game strong. you got sometimes eliminate what you're seeing, in these measureables that you put on there. measure what's in the guy's heart and ability to play the game faster than it could be measured. >> i know what you talk about. we be in the summer with the pads off, look at the team, you are flying around now, see who's running fast. >> he's rubbing fast. >> he's running fast. >> coach thanks for putting it
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in context. we'll step aside, back with more after this.
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>> we continue the action. guys, about the afc west. >> you talk about top to bottom, all of these teams are good. all of the touchdown passes to crabtree. too much for the juntd manned jets. marshawn lynch dancing. 45-20. think about the afc west, san diego 0-2, they can easily be 2-0. kansas city good, denver beaten the cowboys right now. >> crabtree six receptions for 80 yards, three touchdowns after the game, our guys caught up with the quarterback derek carr. >> derek, obviously pleased with the win last week. but you said you felt like maybe left points on the field. where did you see the biggest improvement this week. >> in the little details what we needed to correct from week one to week two. left points on the field f we
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get complacent, there's a problem. we have to look at the film, critique ourselves hard. don't leave anything out, just because we won. shall hard on ourselves and move on. >> did you expect it coming into this based off the game plan? >> to be honest, we expect everyone to make plays. and when we get in the red zone it's not just, hey, we're going to you or you much it happened to go to him and the plays were there to be made for him. >> a lot of expectations for marshawn lynch's debut. how did it match with the reality? >> it was awesome. i'm glad our fans who love us so much and we love them have a home grown guy they can root for and get behind. it's really cool to see him get in the end zone and watch them go nuts. >> thanks for the time. god bless. >> one week after missing a field goal against the broncos, a chance to win the game, misses another one from 44 yards out. miami wins 19-17.
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jay cutler one touchdown, 230 yards. ajaya, and parker led the way in terms of receptions. tough loss as boomer mentioned. the chargers could be 2-0. >> the denver broncos, trevor semen is having a good day, finds sanders for a six-yard touchdown. this mailed 2i9 1-7. -- made it 21-7. the broncos lead 21-10. they're running it, throwing it, dominating this cowboy defense. >> really good football game. former red skin offensive coordinator is the head coach for the l.a. rams. i tell you, this game is up and down. kurt cuss inls and goff playing well. goff 14-22, 222 yards. take a look, you can see right there. you have so many different players making plays in this game. it's tight, at the end of the game right now, redskins have possession of the football. rams looking for the second win. >> the nfc west matchup, defensive battle.
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but check out russell invading the sack, keeping his eyes upfield. richardson is the recipient, getting in the end zone. seahawks up 12-9 with three minutes left in the fourth quarter. >> all right, as we get set to get final comments, nate, if you don't mind, coach dropped some knowledge on us. michael crabtree earlier doing something different, what were you talking about. >> i was talking about his foot work and his control with his body. you saw him plant his feet and go directly up and make sure that he caught the ball before the d.b. did. when you pay attention to crabtree he work his body like a balleri ballerina, one of the fwhesht the air. >> tom brady looking great in the pocket, navigating the pass rush schemes that new orleans threw at him. new orleans defense is terrible but to bounceback with a 440 yard performance and thee touchdowns is impressive. >> yeah. >> time thoughts, coach? >> i just think when you look at these games, people are starting to separate themselves, raiders looked really good.
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all of the weapons they have defensively, pretty scout. and i'm still looking forward to the baltimore-pittsburgh game. >> in two weeks. phil? >> great week, a lot of exciting football, watching denver go up and down the field on dallas a little surprising. >> you have to be ornery the entire day to be fired up, right? that's not hard for you. reminder, tonight, on cbs begins with 60 minutes, then catch all your favorite stars for the prime time emmy awards live. stephen colbert hosts. we'll see you next week. i'm on . go! go! go! wanna get away? now you can with southwest fares as low as 59 dollars one-way. that's transfarency®
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>> kroft: the name david cornwell is probably unfamiliar to most of you, but he's an interesting person to talk to in these days of alleged political conspiracies, espionage, and a rekindling of the cold war. he is an expert on secrets, a former spy himself, and the author of two dozen books,
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virtually all of them best sellers, written under the pen name of john le carré. among them are "the spy who came in from the cold," "the little drummer girl," "tinker tailor soldier spy," "the constant gardner" and "the night manager," all of which have been made into films. he is not just a popular writer of thrillers, he is a novelist of some standing, often compared to graham greene, joseph conrad, and somerset maugham. cornwell has been living this double life for more than 50 years now, and rarely gives television interviews, but upon the publication of his 24th novel, "a legacy of spies," we were invited to spend a few days with this literary lion in winter. to find his natural habitat, you must journey six hours from london, through farmland and down one-lane country roads lined with hedgerow and blackthorn, to a corner of england so remote it's known as land's end.
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here, nestled on a cliff in cornwall, you will find john le carré's safe-house. so this is where you escape to? >> john le carré: yeah. it was as far from london as i could get reasonably. i guess the other thing to say about this place, which is very important to me, is that the cornish don't give a damn for celebrity. ( laughs ) if they even know what i do, they haven't read it. or if they have read it, they make a point of not being impressed by it. and that-- that is enormously soothing. not a head turns in the street when i walk by. ( laughs ) >> kroft: it's here, in the home he fashioned out of three derelict cottages more than 40 years ago, that he weaves together the threads of memory, experience, and research into his tales of intrigue. the solitude is his stimulation. you said many times that you don't like giving interviews. >> le carré: yeah, i think that's true.
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and then i defect from that position. ( laughs ) >> kroft: it's very clear that almost every interview you've given over the last ten years, you've told them that it-- >> le carré: it was the last one. >> kroft: this was going-- the last one. >> le carré: it always is. >> kroft: well, i take the fact that you're still giving interviews, that you're aging better than you thought you would. >> le carré: i think that's perfectly true. each book feels like my last book. and then i think, like a dedicated alcoholic, that one more won't do me any harm. >> kroft: david cornwell's not a functioning alcoholic, but he's created a stable full of imperfect characters over the years as john le carré, a name he does not answer to. it's an abstraction that exists in his writing studio, and on the cover of his books, like a spy's name on a phony passport. john le carré is sort of a cover. >> le carré: it's a separate identity, in a way. and you can look after it. and looking after le carré and keeping myself young, keeping the child in me alive-- keeping a critical nature of life
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whizzing in my head, that's being le carré. >> kroft: is there any space between david and john? >> le carré: yes, i think a lot really. david tries to be a good dad and a regular guy with difficulty, many flaws. and-- and john takes off into the ether. he's-- the man of imagination. and-- i can take john for a walk, let him loose on the cliffs. ( laughs ) and he has a good time and he populates the empty cliffs with the people of his imagination. and then i come back and help with the washing up. >> kroft: le carré was created by cornwell in 1961, out of necessity, not choice. it happened during his first career as a spy for british intelligence, both at home and abroad. to satisfy a creative urge, he began writing fiction on his commute to work and during lunchtime.
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why did you need a pen name? >> le carré: ah, well, a hard, practical reason. i was still in secret harness, as you might say. i wrote my first three books from inside the intelligence world. the books had to be approved by my masters, and were. but a condition was, i had to choose a pen name. so i went to my publisher. >> kroft: his publisher preferred short and snappy. cornwell wanted something interesting, mysterious and french. >> le carré: i've told many lies about how it came about, because i truly don't clearly remember. but i think i wanted, architecturally, a name in three, in three parts. and i thought the acute accent at the end, these were eye- catching things. so instead of trying to look like everybody else, i tried to look a bit different, as a name. and-- then-- somebody who is carré, as a gentleman, is not quite a gentleman. ( laughs ) that suits me fine. ( laughs )
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>> kroft: that attitude doesn't just suit cornwell, it actually defines him. he has the wealth, the education, and the bearing of a polished patrician, but he'll never be part of the english upper class-- which he abhors. plus, he has the pedigree of a rogue. >> le carré: i mean, you must realize that i'm an upstart. i do come originally from a working class family. i went kind of from working class to middle class to-- to criminal class, which was finally my father's condition. and i had to invent myself as a gentleman, a pseudo-gentleman. so-- it's a good american story of self-invention. >> kroft: he was five years old years when his mother olive deserted the family, leaving him and his older brother, tony, under the chaotic charge of their father ronnie, a colorful, charismatic con man and crook. >> le carré: if there remains one great conundrum in my life, it is my father-- who seems to
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me to-- to inspire, also, some of the worst or best characters in me. he had a wonderful brain. everybody who worked for him was in awe of his intellect. but if there was a bent way of doing something, he took it. >> kroft: a rich vein of material for you to mine. >> le carré: wonderful. wonderful, rich vein of material. and very painful. >> kroft: ronnie ran with a fast crowd; celebrities, sportsmen, and mobsters. there were racehorses at ascot and trips to san moritz. they lived either as millionaires or paupers. one week, a chauffeured bentley; the next, on the run from bill collectors, or worse. >> le carré: he'd done quite a lot of jail. and he spent some years of his life on the run in late middle age. so it was a mess, just a bloody mess. but that-- surviving it-- it was also a privilege to be part of it, in some strange way. it taught you a lot about life, lowered your expectations,
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raised them in other ways. >> kroft: what did you learn? >> le carré: i learned, i think, to understand the wideness, the width, of the spectrum of human behavior. and-- i guess i learned the-- the perils of charm, which he exercised ruthlessly with huge success. and i learned about the insecurity of the world. that everything is transient, even our money, our future, our lives, our children, everything. he was always an excellent student, and by the time he graduated from oxford with a degree in modern languages, he'd already learned from his father some of the prerequisites of a career in espionage: lying, manipulation and deception. when he was approached by a recruiter for the british secret service, it seemed like a seamless transition. when it comes to recruiting people for the secret world, what the recruiters are looking
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for is pretty much what i had. i was unanchored, looking for an institution to look after me. i had a bit of larceny. i understood larceny. i understood the natural criminality in people-- because it was-- it was all around me. and i have no doubt there was a chunk of it inside me too. once i found that identity, it took root in me. it exactly- it gelled with the world that i'd known in the past. >> kroft: he began in london, running agents, keeping tabs on subversives and spies, and learning the trade craft. he moved to the foreign branch, mi-6, at the height of the cold war, posing as a young diplomat at the british embassy in west germany, just as the berlin wall was going up. what were you doing when you were working for mi-6? >> le carré: in germany, i never talk about that. >> kroft: you can't. >> le carré: no. i would never be comfortable talking about it.
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and-- and i think you find that with most people-- who've been in that world. it is simply anathema. >> kroft: whatever david cornwell's duties were, john le carré found time to write a novel about a washed-up spy named alec leamas, who is sent on a dangerous mission across the wall and betrayed by his bosses. >> le carré: my memory is that i wrote it very fast, the story. but i had no idea where i was going at first. and it just flowed. and i think you get a break like that once in your writing life. i, i really believe-- nothing else came to me so naturally, so fast. >> kroft: you had to show it to... >> le carré: i then showed it to-- >> kroft: ...the service. >> le carré: my department. and there was a bit of a loud silence. and then, actually, as was a kind of sporting decency almost, my-- my service said, "okay, go ahead and publish it." but i think they had no idea, any more than i did, that it would become a sensation.
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>> kroft: "the spy who came in from the cold" was the publishing event of 1963. the book spent 34 weeks as number one on the bestseller list, and was made into an acclaimed motion picture starring richard burton and claire bloom. both the novel and the film served as grey, gritty antidotes to the fantastical world of james bond, and were accepted by critics and the public as an authentic portrayal of the scruffy business of espionage. >> alec leamus: what the hell do you think spies are? moral philosophers measuring everything they do against the word of god or karl marx? they're not. they're just a bunch of seedy, squalid bastards like me. little men, drunkards, queers, henpecked husbands, civil servants playing cowboys and indians to brighten their rotten little lives. do you think they sit like monks in a cell balancing right against wrong? >> kroft: the book would make john le carré a famous and much- in-demand author, but for months, only british
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intelligence knew who and where he was, and it did not want to blow cornwell's cover in germany. people didn't know it was you. >> le carré: no, they didn't, until the "sunday times" blew the whistle. and then-- the whole investigation of my person, as you might say, came up. was i a spook? was i not a spook? and i, out of loyalty to my service and out of some sense of privacy, went on insisting that i'd had no intelligence experience, until it became absurd. ( laughs ) and it became absurd largely-- >> kroft: i did... >> le carré: --largely with my colleagues. ( laughs ) and my superior officers were either boasting or complaining to anybody who would listen that-- that i'd written the book. >> kroft: spooks are generally wary of unscripted publicity, so he and the agency eventually agreed to part ways, allowing him, and le carré, to concentrate full time on fiction, not unlike his father, ronnie. you have mused, on at least one occasion, about whether there's
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much of a difference between what you do for a living and what he did. >> le carré: well, i think that's kind of me. ( laughs ) >> kroft: what were you talking about specifically? >> le carré: well, i was saying that i live off my wits, as he did. i look around, i collect bits of people. i assemble them. i pitch a story. i sell it. he, as a con man, does much the same. i do it on the page, and he does it with human material. but what that doesn't take account of is what happens to the human material. ( laughs ) >> kroft: you've said-- and i don't know what the context was, but i've seen this quoted a number of times. you said, "i'm a liar, born to lying, bred to it, trained to it by an industry that lies for a living." >> le carré: yeah. all of that's true. actually, it's a dreadful
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confession. but these days, i tell the truth. >> kroft: when we come back, we'll visit two of le carré's favorite inventions: the london circus, and george smiley-- who both reappear after an absence of nearly 30 years in his new book, "a legacy of spies." plus, a walk through his writing studio, and his thoughts about today's world. >> this cbs sports update is brought to you by ford. i'm james brown with scores from the nfl today. the patriots totaled 555 yards of offense in their win. the ravens d forced five turn yoifers to down the browns. tampa bay scored 20 points off of turnovers to win their opening game. the chiefs move to 2-0. arizona wins behind phil dawson's 30-yard game-winning field goal in o.t. oakland wins and is 2-0 for the
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first time since '02. oakland wins and is 2-0 for the first time since '02. for more game news, go to cbssports.com. ♪ let's go! ♪ mom! slow down! for the ones who keep pushing. always unstoppable.
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at stanford health care, we can now repair complex aortic aneurysms without invasive surgery. if we can do that, imagine what we can do for varicose veins.
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and if we can precisely treat eye cancer with minimal damage to the rest of the eye, imagine what we can do for glaucoma, even cataracts. if we can use dna to diagnose the rarest of diseases, imagine what we can do for the conditions that affect us all. imagine what we can do for you. >> kroft: for the most part, the novels of david cornwell, written under the name john le carré, are about spies and espionage. that's the subject matter, anyway, and the setting. but they're also about human nature and behavior; about honor, ambition, careerism and conflicting loyalties that could apply to any profession. it's a way of writing large about the small world of secret intelligence services that cornwell was a part of-- and not a bad way, he says, to take measure of a nation's political
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health. >> le carré: you feel that you've got a hand somehow on the subconscious of the nation. you feel you know what the greatest anxieties are and the greatest ambitions are. >> kroft: in le carré's world, the headquarters of the british intelligence services existed some years ago in an imaginary building off the theatre district in central london. >> london station couldn't be in better hands! >> kroft: as portrayed in his books and the movies about them, this den of spies was a drab bureaucracy populated by eccentric characters working in a long-neglected victorian pile of bricks called the circus. >> about time someone oiled this thing, isn't it? we keep asking! >> kroft: it was not exactly an accurate description of the real thing, cornwell says, but it was credible. >> le carré: it was an abstraction from reality. >> kroft: was it known as "the circus" to the people who were... ? >> le carré: no, no, no. it wasn't. >> kroft: that comes from your
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imagination? >> le carré: i lifted the building, body and soul, as you might say, replanted it in cambridge circus-- different part of london, and it was known by the shorthand as "the circus." and what better name for a community of performing-- ( laughs ) --performing spies, than the circus? >> kroft: there were scalp hunters, lamplighters, honey traps and moles. all of this came from your imagination? >> le carré: yes. i mean, something always sparks the imagination, and mine was sparked and took off, and i thought, "this is-- this is a kind of half-dream world which i can inform from experience." and it fits. >> kroft: people who work there recognize it? >> le carré: it isn't as if they recognize this operation or that operation. what they recognize is the smell, and the authenticity of, i hope, of the life that we led.
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>> le carré: secret service headquarters was down on the right-hand side. >> kroft: in london, cornwell took us on a cab ride to see the actual building where he worked, and that used to house mi-6 headquarters. >> le carré: and it was dusty and smelly and it smelled of, sort of, nescafe and fags. people smoked. everybody seemed to smoke. lot of alcohol. a lot of alcohol. >> kroft: it's now an office building, not far from buckingham palace. >> kroft: there much security-- >> le carré: there was no security at all. i mean, none. none that was visible. you walked in and out once you were a familiar face. and it was, "good morning, mr. cornwell." good morning, this. hallo, bill. and when you came back from abroad, it was always, "welcome back, sir." >> kroft: but nobody searched the bags going in and out? >> le carré: no. i, i-- i never knew of anyone being stopped and searched. >> kroft: there would be a price paid for the complacency, when mi-6's most notorious double agent, the cambridge-educated spy kim philby, waltzed out the door with some of britain's most valuable secrets and handed them
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over to the soviet union. the incident was an inspiration for cornwell's most memorable success, "tinker tailor soldier spy." the book and this bbc adaptation are about the search for a russian mole at the highest level of the circus... >> we have a rotten apple, and the maggots are eating at the circus. >> kroft: ...conducted by le carré's portly spymaster and favorite character, george smiley. >> le carré: it's a very close bond. george smiley is my secret sharer, my companion. and i think that, because i'm given to exaggerated emotions at times, smiley moderates me as a writer. >> kroft: the character, played by alec guinness in this bbc version, is about as close as le carré gets to a hero. at best, middle-aged, a hapless cuckold, he is measured,
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sensible, clever and devoted to his job. what do you like best about smiley? >> le carré: i think how he toughs it out. >> kroft: survivor. >> le carré: more than that. he does a good job. >> tidy up! >> le carré: and much of it is distasteful to him. but he has a sense of duty. and he has a sense of moral obligation and a sense of balance. >> george, you won! >> le carré: he's made a lot of compromises with life. >> did i? yes, yes, i suppose i did. >> le carré: and it's actually his greatest operational weapon, is his humanity. >> kroft: it been nearly 30 years since smiley and his old circus performers have appeared in a le carré novel, but some of them are back for the new one: "a legacy of spies," and unceremoniously called to account at the gleaming new mi-6
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headquarters, for the sins, failures and betrayals committed decades earlier in "the spy who came in from the cold." >> kroft: this struck me as something you've been wanting to do for a while. >> le carré: well, it is. in the first place, the characters never left me. in some curious way, particularly smiley, they became-- even if i wasn't writing about them-- they became quite conscious companions, at times, in my imagination. and what i wanted to do at this stage, this point of closure in the smiley saga now 50, 60 years on, was have the present interrogate the past about what we did then in the cold war, in the name of freedom. and was it worth it. and it was with this very mood very much that i concluded the book and the search for george smiley, which for me was some kind of search for truth. >> kroft: what he loves best about writing is the privacy of it. every day sometime, after 7:00
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a.m., he climbs the steps to his studio and begins putting pen to paper. >> le carré: and this is my workroom. if there are family crises and things like that, i edit them out until midday. this is from "legacy." and this is peter guillam, the central figure, who is narrating. i have two visions simultaneously. the first, of george, that's george smiley; and alec, that's alec leamas; huddled head to head in the chilly conservatory. in bywater street. rare use of an adjective by me. >> kroft: most of the material comes from notebooks he's filled on long walks or epic research trips he's taken to capture the feel and smell of faraway place he puts his characters. >> le carré: this is all the very raw material. >> kroft: these notes were jotted down in kenya while he was writing "the constant gardner." >> le carré: these are things i saw. batons. a panga from somewhere. "the man lies in the recovery pose, bathed in blood from the head down, dead or going there.
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in nairobi, murder is one of the few industries that that live up to expectation." >> kroft: there are no computers involved in this process. he edits with scissors and a stapler... >> le carré: and that's the extract. >> kroft: ...and hands the good bits off to his personal typist and copy editor, jane cornwell, his wife of 45 years. she is also chief operating officer of his life and various enterprises. >> le carré: like all writers, i've lived a messy, untidy life, inevitably so, and she's been wonderfully supportive. and it's always, go to jane if you need to get to david, because she's got her feet on the ground. god knows where he's got his feet. >> kroft: cornwell has been writing as john le carré for so long, no one could tell us how many millions of books he's sold over the last five and a half decades. they've been printed in 43 different languages. how do you think of yourself as a writer? >> le carré: wow.
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storyteller. so we're sitting in front of a fire. i want to keep you in your chair. i want to interest you. i want you to want to turn the page. but i don't really think too much about the posterity, and i certainly don't join the literary argument about where i stand. am i a quality novelist? am i a popular novelist? am i a thriller writer? to me, if i'd gone to sea, i'd have written about the sea. if i'd gone into stockbroking, i'd have written about the stockbroking world. >> kroft: you've turned down literary honors. you've turned down a knighthood. >> le carré: yes. >> kroft: why? >> le carré: in my own country, i'm so suspicious of the literary world that i don't want its accolades. and least of all do i want to be called a commander of the british empire or any other thing of the british empire. i find it emetic. >> kroft: and why do you feel that way? >> le carré: i don't want to posture as somebody who's been honored by the state and must therefore somehow conform with the state. and i don't want to wear the armor.
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>> kroft: your writing partner, george smiley, had this to say on the subject: "the privately educated englishman is the greatest dissembler on earth. no one will charm you so glibly, disguise his feelings from you better, cover his tracks more skillfully, or find it harder to confess that he's been a damned fool. no one acts braver when he's frightened stiff, or happier when he's miserable. and nobody can flatter you better when he hates you than an extrovert englishman or woman." >> le carré: yeah. i think that's very good. ( laughter ) >> kroft: you like that graph. >> le carré: i like that, yes i do. >> kroft: do you consider yourself an englishman? >> le carré: what kind of englishman at the moment? yes, of course, i'm born and bred english. i'm english to the core. my england would be the one that recognizes its place in the european union. that jingoistic england that is trying to march us out of the e.u., that is an england i don't want to know. >> kroft: like most europeans,
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cornwell has no use for president donald trump and his nationalistic agenda which he calls alarming and contagious, and he worries about the ambitions of russian president vladimir putin. >> le carré: i think today's spooks working on the russian front-- british spooks-- would tell you that it's just as bad as it was in the cold war. putin sees everything in terms of conspiracy, and his grip on the russian populace is so strong that he has resorted to all the old systems that he was familiar with. so, we're right back to where we were in the cold war, with the added mission that putin has given to himself to erode decent democracy wherever he sees it. >> kroft: so much has changed the world of espionage, since you first began. i mean, you have the introduction now of cyber war. you have-- computer hacking. you have all of this stuff. you-- >> le carré: yeah. >> kroft: you wonder, is it possible that-- to keep any
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secrets at all? and do we need spies? any human spies? >> le carré: i think probably, in many ways, more than ever. in some ways, the techniques of intelligence and the techniques of maintaining secrets have gone backwards. if you and i are going to enter into a conspiracy now, we don't do it through the ether. we don't do it by computer. we exchange notes. we either hand each other notes-- we keep paper again. paper is back in. secondly, you very, very often need an agent on the spot who is going to deliver the piece of paper, the code number, the simple clue to it all. >> kroft: mostly right now, david cornwell and john le carée are recovering from, celebrating and lamenting publication of this last novel, strange as that may seem. you said the most depressing time in your life is when you've finished a book? >> le carré: yes.
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yes. >> kroft: which is what you're going through right now? >> le carré: which is exactly what i'm going through right now. thank you for lightening my load. ( laughs ) yeah, it's a feeling of-- you've depleted everything you've-- you've been working on. it's done. it's out there. and then out of the ashes of the last book, so to speak, comes the phoenix of the new one, and then life's okay again. but the-- the depression that overtakes me when i've turned in a book, i must confess is real and deep. >> kroft: do you have an idea for the next book? >> le carré: absolutely. i can't wait to get to it. >> la carreé reads la carree. >> what do you think spies are? priests, saints and martyrs? >> on 60minutesovertime.com, priests, saints and martyrs? >> on 60minutesovertime.com, sponsored by prevnar13. scary?
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