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news in washington. well, this weekend marks 100 days until the iowa caucuses. and has been a big change in the republican race. the front-runner ththe for months, donald trump has fallen behind to ben carson. we'll speak with dr. carson live in a moment. but first, the shrinking field of democratic candidates gathered last night in iowa for a big dinner that's often been a turning point. chief white house correspondent ed henry is lve in des moines to tell us what happened. ed? >> chris, for hilly clinton, this was a political equivalent of a defense. she's back in the lead, did not want to make a mistake. she played it so safe, it opened the door for bernie sanders,he democratic socialist senator to electrify this crowd of over 6,000 iowa democrats. she brought along her husband bill for his first rally of this campaign cycle, plus pop star katy perry. the comeback kid declaring that
after what was obviously a brutal start to her campaign, his wife has had a remarkable few weeks from a stro debate performance to a series of democrats simply dropping out of this race. so the front runner used this big democratic dinner to focus instead on hitting donald trump, ben carson, the rest of the republican field and basically acting as if she's already the general election nominee. listen. >> when republicans debate, they compete to insult each other, demean women, and they double down on trickle down. actually, it is reality tv. with a cast of characters who don't care much about actual reality. >> now, that cautious approach tripped her up at the 2007 jefferson jackson dinner, b that was an historic night where she was taking on barack obama. this field much weaker.
said hold off on the clinton coronation without naming them, he directly slammed both hillary and bill clinton on a range of issues from nafta to the defensive marriage act and xhe iraq war saying they were too far in the middle. he's been the consistent liberal drawing the wildest applause of the night. >> i'm the only democratic candidate for president who does not have a superpac. and we are going to prove the experts wrong. because we're going to win this campaign! >> now, the only other democrat left, martin o'malley basically called clinton a weather vane. and despite her resurgence, she still has this looming investigation of the server and this friday, the state department releases more of her e-mails as the drip drip continues. >> ed henry from des moines. thank you for that. now to the republican race
frontntunner in iowa. he's also the author of a new book, a more perfect union. and dr. carson, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thank you, good to be with you, chris. >> let's start with those new numbers out of iowa, a "des moines regigier" poll shows you leading trump, a swing of 14 points in your favor since august. a poll has you leading from 28% to 20%. and in that poll, an astronomical 84% of iowans have a favorable opinion of you, only 10% unfavorable. dr. carson, what's going on? >> well, i think people are actually having an opportunity to listen to me. it really shows the power of social media and of word of mouth. because as you know, you know, a lot of the media has it inn for me. but, you know, if people listen to them, you know, i would be polling at less than zero.
but the fact of the matter is, you know, this is a very serious time in our nation. and it's a time when people have to make a clear decision of which direction do we want to go in? is t tuth and integrity something important? are traditional american values something important? or are we ready to turn over everything and get rid of all of our values for the sake of political correctness? this is a very crucial election? >> this is also one of the first times, one of t t few times that donald trump h h trailed inn the polls. here was his reaction. >> we have a breaking story. donald trump has fallen to second place behind ben carson. we informed ben, but he was sleeping. >> now, he went after you as even more low energy than jeb bush. he says you're very weak on immigration.
a seventh day adventist. what do you make of that? >> well, it's kind of interesting because the conflict that we had a couple of months ago ago. he went ballistic on that. it seems interesting he would be doing that. i refuse to get t to the mud pit. the republicans were there trying to destroy each other. i think that was a huge mistake in the last cycle. and i'm certainly not going to get into that. no matter what anybody says. >> do you think it shows something about trump? says something about his character? >> well, he is who he is. i don't think that's going to change. and i am who i am. that's not going to change either. so, you know, neither one of us probably is going to be somebody who is goinin to be manageded by handlers. that's not who we are.
and the way i kind of look at it, if people resinate what i'm talking about, they will know it's the truth. and what i truly believe. and if they like that, and it works with them and they feel i'm the good representative for them, that's great. i would love to have theirr vote. and if they don't want me, that's fine, too. because i would never lie just to get an office. i wouldn't be happy and the people wouldn't be happy. >> you have also started a $500,000 ad buy, and for earlyly voting stage, with the tag line heal, inspire, revive. here's a clip. >> washington is broken. the political class broke it. together, we can drain the swamp and protect our children's future. i'm benencarson, and i approve this m msage. >> doctor, you're doing well with social conservative, but what's your pitch to republicans
>> well, basically, the pitch is america right now is in terrible trouble. i mean, we have to stop all the divisiveness, recognize we're americans first. not republicans or democrats. we have to begin to take care of those who are coming behind us. our children are precious. the fact that we could be spending up their future and some people don't even think it's a problee we have to become fiscally responsible, and it's absolutely crucial that we deal with the global jihadist movement. and with putin's ambitions. and with all of the things that are going on that are because we have not taken a leadership position in the world. >> well, let me pick up on that. obviously, as you rise in the polls, your policies, you plans attract new attention, especially your plan to end medicare. which serves 49 million senior citizens and medicaid, which serves 72 million low-income americans.
let me make sure i've got this right. dr. carson, you would end medicare? >> no, that's completely false. and that's a narrative that somebody's putting out there to scare people. what the program that i have outlined using health savings accounts starting from the time you are born ununl the time you die, largely elinates the need for people to be dependent on government programs like that. but i would never get rid of the programs. i would provide people with an alternative. i think they will see that the alternative that we're going to outline is so much better than anything else. that they willlllock to it. >> this seems to me to be a bit of a change. you would have a choice. you can do health savings accounts or have the traditional medicare? >> oh, yeah, i do not believe in imposing things upon people. i believe in presenting things that are so attractive that
>> but here's the concern a lot of people have about this plan. you would give the same $2,000 a year to every individual whether it's a low-income sick person. >> no. >> well,hat's what were sayinn sir. >> no, that's thehe old plan. that's been gone for several months now. the plan now for funding health vings accounts is using the same dollars that we use for traditional health care. we already spend twice as much per capita on health care as many other countries in the world. utilizing that money, the place where the government would come in is with the indigent. that's where medicaid comes in. the medicaid budget is $400 billion to $500 billion a year and we have 80 million people that participate, which is way too many and we can fix that by fixing the economy. >> how does the health savings account work if there's no government subsidy? >> well, let me just tell you.
the indigent people, 80 million to $400 billion goes 500,000 times, eechl manach man, woman and child. what could you buy with that? and you still have a couple thousand dollars left overor catastrophic insurance, which is much cheaper now because the only thing coming out of it is catastrophic insurance. everything else is going to come out of your health savings account. >> how do you get the money for your health savings ccount. i'm not talking aboutt medicaid, i'i' talking about medicare. you used to say you were going to end medicare and have a $2,000 government fee to every individual, man, woman and child. >> that's gone. that is off the table. we're not having the government do that. i don't want a big governrnnt program. you know, i've -- the one thing about me, i'll tell you something, i'm not a politician. so i don't say that because i thought this a while ago before
a lot of economists and various people and cost itt outthat i can't change my y nd. one of the things that's very important about our country, we have a lot of incredibly smart people with a lot of experience doing things. i listen to that. when i'm out on the road, i listen to people have to say. >> but, sir, i'm a little -- >> representative government -- >> let me -- don't mean to interrupt, but i'm a little bit confused. if i'm a regular person, i'm not indigent and you're going to give me a health savings account, but you're not going to give me any money, why wouldn't i want medicare? what's the advantage of the health savings account? >> well, remember, you already if you're a regular person have a job. and they're already giving you some health benefits. so, instead of that money going into the inefficient system that it goes in now, it gets divided and divvied up into your family's health savings account over which you now have control. and to which you can contribute
anything you want. that's the difference. >> but isn't that the -- >> that money -- >> that money is already there. >> doesn't that mean there's going to be government money going into my health savings account? >> if there's already government money going into it, it certainly could, absolutely. >> and would that be $2,000?0? >> bubunot -- but not new government money. no, the same -- listen carefully, becausehis is the >> okay. >> the amount of money that we are already spending for health care in this country is astronomimil. and it's almost twice as much as many other countries in the world. and yet, we have terrible problems with access. if we take those same dollars and divert them into a system that gives you control over your
home health care, you and yourur health care prprvider cut out the middle man, the bureaucracy. those dollars go much further. we won't have to use many of them. the dollars are already there, chris. >> i understand, but they're in a government system. last question, i want to understand. all right. let's say i've retired. had a job, health insurance, now i've retired and i need government help for my health care. where's that money cing from? >> the same place -- the same dollars that would be going to you through medicare would go into your health savings account. you continunuto use it just like you have e en using. >> so in other words, does the government -- as a senior citizen. >> right. if you decide you don't like that system and you prefer just to keep the system like it is, i'm not going to deny you the privilege of doing that. >> w wl, this is interesting,
obviously, to be continued. and as you know, and i suppose it's a good thing. with more prominence in the polls, more discussion of your proposal. dr. carson, thank you. thanks for talking with us. and of course, we'll see you again on the campaign trail, sir. good luck. >> oh, i is a pleasure. thank you. up next, as carson surges, jeb bush downsizes. our sunday group discusses the changing state of the gop race. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about paul ryan's almost certain election this week as speaker of the house. go to twitttt at fox news sunday and we may use your question on air. >> this program is proudly broug toou by charles schwalb. if we consolidate suppliers, what's the savings there? so should we go with the 467 horsepower? ...or is a 423 enough? good question. you ask a lot of good questions...
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bob woodward, conservative pollster, kristian soltice anderson. and michael, it's been a big week in the republican race, as we've been saying, carson is up, trump is slipping, at least, in iowa, and jeb bush announcing mamar cutbacks to his cacaaign. 45% cut in payroll. what's going on? >> well, it's a sign of how fluid this race actually is. and that's especially true in iowa where voters are paying attention. money has started to be spent by the candidates. and in many ways, the reason the race is fluid, the republican party is going through a transformation, a healthy debate about what the future is,nd i don't thininyou could have seen the extent of that transformation more than some of the stories over the weekend about george h.w. bush and his advisers. not knowing what to make of this. how do we understand it? and it's the grass roots conservatives who felt unheard by washington, unheard by the washington establishment for so long, tatang over the party, that's what some of the enthusiasm comes from. ben carson, very traditional iowa candidate, socially
conservative, upset with washington, d.c. in the way that's working. i think the difference, and we saw it a little bit in that last segment is that carson doesn't have the same policy proposals laid out yet that mike huckabee did, that rick santorum did. it'll be interesting over the nenet several monons, does he match up with that rhetoric, that populist outrage with the type of policy agenda that a blue collar conservatism that a former governor had to ultimately lead them to winning iowa. >> you would certainly have to say fluid discussion about medicare and medicaid. do you think that hurts them? >> well,l, you had that conversation, a conversation over amnesty. he's traditionally supported amnesty and laying out what he thinks about those types of issues. i think there's 2 1/2 months, people are rightly open to ben carson for the right reasons. he's not part of this corrupt washington establishment and now he's going to lay out a policy agenda that connects the dots. >> what's the bigger deal? which is thth bigger deal? trump'p' slide, and i want to
but there's been a slide in iowa, or bush's continued problems, especially given the fact he has a superpac advertising in new hampshire. >> he came into this race wanting to run t ts jooul campaign where it was going to be about his ideas and record as governor of florida. and it+s been hard for himto get enough oxygen around that despite the over $100 million with the superpac. but he's making the smart choice by choosing to retrench and pull back in terms of what his campaign is spending. this is what you saw from the mccain campaign in 2008. had a very y ugh summer. he came back to be the nominee. the gingrich campaign in 2012. rough summer, retrenched, changed strategy, came back and won south carolina. i think by making smart choices now, the bush campaign has a shot at putting itself on a path back to being a strong contender. >> and how much should we make as a pollster? how muchchhould we make off the fact that donald trump in n wa
in t t polls is now in second place? >> bear in mind that the big message out of the trump campaign is i'm a winner, whether it's i'm a winner in business, in the polls, he's not winning in the polls anymore, that undercuts his core message. that's why i think you've seen him sort of lash out very frustrated trying to dismiss the polls. i don't think he knows what to mme of a race when donald trump isn't the winner. >> let's turn to the other big news for republicans this weekend. and that is that paul ryan is almost certainly going to be elected. the new speaker of the house next thursday after getting the support of all wings of the republican caucus in the house. here he is. >> we have become the problem. if my colleagues trust me to be the speaker, i want us to become the solution. >> we ask you for questions for the panel, and we got a bunch about ryan from you. mark grass writes on facebook, how is paul ryan going to be any differere than john boehner?
isishe, ryan, ready to fight, get back to constitutional authority including shutdowns? if he won't fight, nothing is gained. bob, how do you answer? what do you expect? >> well, i spent hours three years ago interviewing ryan. and first of all, he's a real conservative. and there's a time he went to john boehner, the speaker, and said to the speaker, what we're talking about are not big ideas. and, actually, ryan is the big ideas person. he p wants to really reform entitlement spending.g. i thinknkt's possible. and, you know, you see him there, had ee kind of vibrates reasonableness. he's calm. and i think he has a possible path to doing some deals with obama in the last year. >> is he able to quell the house freedom caucus who some would say are not soeasonable by bob
wooooard's definition. >> by anybody's definition, but aparentally as an agreement with them. and remember, those people are true conservatives in their own eyes. and ryan really wants to conserve. wants to fix the government. he talks about big ideas, he talks about things that are deep change, deep reform, and so, you know, it's a moment to be optimistic if that's possible. >> will ryan, i think it's the big question. will he be able to satisfy the right wing of his house republican caucus any better than john boehner did? >> well, rather than me just -- let me say, look at the record here. so last week, he meets with the freedom m ucus, gets the freedom caucus to go along, 2/3 of them, not the 80%. 2/3 of them said, yes, we'll support him. but what did they agree to? they didn't agree that they would not use the procedural measure to say we won't use the step to vacate the speaker seat.
he said i'm going to stick with the majority of republicics agree to anything he puts forward on the floor for a vote. >> let me explain. you're saying a majority of the majority before you'd even bring something up. you're not going to go in with 20 republicans and then count on democratic votes. >> correct. what we have, then, is a basic agreement that we're going to operate on the basis of faith and trust in each other. but when you come to somethingng like the debt ceiling, whihi is coming up very soon,ow do you see the freedom caucus, which has defined itself as in opposition, defiant to republican establishment leadership. boehner, mcconnell in the senate. how are they supposed to shift and say, oh, yeah, we're going to go along at raising the debt ceiling without talking about things like planned parenthood. e're going to talk about a budget. but it just doesn't make sense on that level. so i don't see a honeymoon coming. in fact, i see that we're pushing down the line to yet another implosion. >> michael, as the head of
heritage action and, you know, one of these more hard line, more conservative groups, is there going to be a honeymoon for paul ryan, or not? and what about these specific sues? >> well, i think that's uuto paul ryan. i think i radiate reasonableness just like paul ryan does. no, ,ook, at the end of the day, people are right to be skeptical of paul ryan. this is a party that since 2010 has done very little to unite ourselves around big, bold ideas, the conservative reform agenda and has looked down the nose at republican voters. i think paul ryan's somebody who could change that. youuo backk to 2006, he put forth his medicare premium support ideas, only had 1 fellow republican congressmen sign on to that piece of legislation. over the course of five years, he united the party around those big, bold ideas. since that time, he's done very little to join the debate, between the conservative base, and the special interests, the chamber of commerce that run this party. he's lararly voted with john boehner's agenda, largely done very little.
>> going to be on a short leash? >> if he's one of the few people capable of putting forward a conservative agenda, he's going to find all of us who want to take the fight for the american people to washington and to presidede obama and he'll fifi he haha very, very strong support. if it's going to be more of the same and more of the chamber of commerce, i think not -- >> okay. in 15 seconds becase we're running out of time. if paul ryan says, look, i will push a strong, conservative agenda on things like entitlements, but i don't want to get in fights about shutting down the government or the debt limit, can you go along with hat. >f congress doeoen't use thehe wer of the purse, weon't need a c cngress and we have an executive with no check. there's no ppose in having a debt limit and saying we're going to force oursves to address the fire that's burning in our fiscal future. i think paul ryan wants to use the leverage, unite the party around big, bold ideas and we want to be a part of that. >> we have to take a break here. we'll see you later. up next, we'll talk about this with congressman jim jordan, but also as a member of
she told the american people after the attack and what she was s ying in private. congressman jordan joins us now from ohio, and welcome back to fox news sunday. >> good to be with you, chris. >> before we get to clinton and benghazi, i want to pick up with what the discussion we were having with the panel about paul ryan who says it's almost certain to be elected speaker this week. when you were here just two weeks ago, you were saying that you were going to demand all nds of assurances from ryan about changing house rules, almost none of which you got. i guess the question is, why are you supporting paul ryan? >> well, we do have a commitment from paul to work on changing the rules and we may get some of those changed before the vote this coming wednesday and thursday. so we think that's a good step. plus, also, one of the things paul wanted was this changege to the motion to vacatt the hair. we have not reed to ththt. but we think, as discussed in your previous segment, we think paul has the kind of vision and is the kind of messenger our party needs to accomplish the
things we told the voters we're going to accomplish. so we're excited about that. he didn't quite get the endorsement threshold. but our members said, a super majority of our members said we think paul ryan's the right guy at theeight time t t lead our conference. >> so what happens, and you know it's going to happen. at the first time that you and other members of the freedom caucus that paul ryan is being insufficiently hard lined. are you going to give him running room? >> well, we're going to work with him. and we think we can come together as a group and fight for the things -- when we met a a hour with paul. he told them, we're gogog to have our initiative on how we're going to reform the tax code. we're going to come forward on how we're going to reform our out of control welfare system. he talks about our replacement to obamacare. that big bold agenda and vision we need as we head into a presidential election. paul's the right kind of guy to do that. and we ink we can unite and push those forward. send them to the senate and talk
about those ideas with the american people. >> all right. let's turn to benghazi. a lot of people, i have to say, including me, thought the most dramatic moment was when you confronted hillary clinton about what she said about the attack. how she described it in public and in private. that night, the night of the attack, 9/11, she put out t ts statement,ome have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammator material posted on the internet. but you revealed this, two of our officers were killed in benghazi by an al qaeda-like group. and the next day, here's what she told the egyptian minister, weweknow the attatak had nothinin to do with the film. it was a planned attack, not a protest. that set off this exchange >> i'm reading what you said, plain language. we know the attack in libya had nothing to do with the film.
to the american people? >> i'm sorry that it doesn't fit your narrative, congressman. i can onn tell you what the facts were. >> but in the end, congressman, most of the mainstream media, i think, the consensus was that you and the other republicans on the benghazi committee didn't come up with much new. how do you respond to that? >> well, i think it is new to tell the american people she said something completely different in private. she was telling truth in private and spin toohe american ople. ww talks in language like that? someone sought to justify this behavior. contrast that with what she said to the egyptian prime minister. we know the attack had nothing to do with the film. it was a planned attack not a protest. that's plain language, straightforward. why didn't she talk in those kind of terms to the american people? and here's why it's relevant. at the end of the hearing, we ask her,r, relative to her e-il situation. her and her legal team determine which e-mails are public and
and we id if the fbi find deleted e-mails, will they agree agree, will clinton and her team agree to allow a neutral third party like a retired federal judge to examine those deleted e-mails and determine if some of those are applicable to r investigation? r response was, no, they wouldn't agree to thaa so we have her doing all this spin the night of the attack and now when it comes to her e-mails, she gets to determine which ones are work related and which ones aren't. and calls into question her evaluation of those e-mails and she wouldn't agree to allow a neutral third party to do it. and that's why it's relevant. >> but clinton in her response totoou said, look, things changed, answer al sharia, the al qaeda-like group, retracted the claim of responsibility. i see you're shaking your head. but this is what she said. she said the intel community analysis changed. it was the fog of war. >> chris -- >> go ahead. >> that may have happened, but her public statements didn't
they continued all the way through susan rice, five days later on five different tv shows said the same thing. she said it was a consequence of the video. so things may have changed and intel reports may have changed. but their public statements didn't. they knew the truth from the get go and didn't level with the american people. and i think they didn't level with the american people because libya was supposed to be their baby. this was supposed to be the shining success story for the clinton state department, the obama white house and they couldn't'tave a terror attack 56 days before an election and had to stay with this narrative about a video-inspired protest leading to an attack. they stuck with that all along so they didn't change. >> critics would argue, sir, after spending 17 months in $5 million, what you came up with, and i think you might agree, was an e-mail and a phone caca that howeverconvincingngy, or not, she was able to explain anin away. is that all there is? whe's the beef?
about this. she's one witness of 70 witnesses we're going to get to. we have yet to get patrick kennedy's e-mails. he's the guy, the undersecretary in charge of diplomatic security. he's in charge of the security situauaon, and we have yet to get hihie-mails. we can't get patrick kennedy's e-mails yet. just this past week, we got 5,000 pages of chris steven e-mails. we just know have gotten the ambassador e-mails. instead of the democrats on the committee always criticizing and saying it's about politics, remember, the politics started with clinton on the night of the attack. instead of them doing the criticicing, why don't theyyelp us get the information so we canan get to the truth and can get our report written in a much more timely fashion. >> stepping back for a second, what is your theory of the case? what do you believe that hillary clinton did wrong on benghazi? >> oh, i think it was pointed out in the hearing. the security situation was not
in any way adequate to what had taken place leading up to it. in the months and weeks leading up to t, we had over 20000 security incidents in libya. and when they repeatedly asked for security, the people on the ground, there, it was repeatedly denied. and then we have the spin that took place after that we discussed. so i think all those things are important, important elements and important truths for the american people to understand, and for the people of the four individuals who gave their life that day, their family -- for them to derstand. and now, ife can actually get more of the information, i thii we'' uncover more details about what happened that terrible night. >> so when you hear, and i'm sure you've read the reviews of that, if you will, the analysis of the hearing. when you hear people say, look, if you didn't trust hillary clinton going in, you still don't trust her, and you still feel confirmed in that belief and you basically feel this has been a political witch nt, you stililfeel that way and still trust her, is that frustrating to you? >> what's frustrating is the lack of help we've got from the
administration. what's frustrating is the five democrats on the committee who haven't wanted to push the administration to give us the documents in a timely fashion. why in the world should it take this long to get ambassador stevens' e-mails? why shoulul we get them in the last week, approximately 5,000 pages of his e-mails. that's the part th frustrates me, frustrates the chairman, i think, the american people who have been watching this and trying to get to the truth. >> congressman, i've got about a minute left, i want to get into a new subject with you. the justice department on friday announced it is going to bring no charges against lois lerner or anyone at the irs. they say they found evidence of mismanagement, evidence of bad judgment, but no crime. >> yeah, that is just flat out wrong, in my judgment. here's a lady who systematically and for a sustained period of time targeted people for
exercising their most fundamental rights. the president prejudged this case. remember the facts here. e president ssd, there's no corruption here, not even a smidgen. the chief investigator, the chief lawyer assigned to the justice department to evaluate this was a maxed out contributor to the president's campaign. it shouldn't be any surprise. the justice department said there's nothing wrong here. >> let me ask you quickly, is there anything you can do about it? >> unfortunately, i don't think. we got lororta lynch coming in front of the judiciary committee. i plan on asking her serious questions and hopefully toug questions about w they -- this investigation went and who they actually talked to. what happened in this investigation. and why they could arrive at this kind of conclusion, when i think all the facts point to someone was involved in criminal activity and i think it was lois lerner. >> always a pleasure to talk to you, , r. >when we return, our sunday group weighs in on benghazi. what did we learn from clinton's testimony.
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you know, a lot of things have been said about me, but quitterers not one of them. >> hillary clinton taking a victory lap on the campaign trail after her 11-hour appearance before the house benghazi committee. and we're back now with the panel. michael, clinton and her supporters say that the committee republicans basically didn't lay a hand on her during those 11 hour. are they right? >> well, basically, there was no great historic tv moment that came out of it. but he's a greatprosecutor, he's'srying to conduct an investigation, trying to get answers to questions, i think the american people need and deserve if we'regoing to have the type governance that we should have. why is it that we kept embassy staff in benghazi when other countries like britain had pulled them out? and if that reason was valid, why did we ignore 600 requests for additional security.
why is it that hillary clinton told her family this was a terrorist attack. at the same time, she was telling the american people it was caused by a video. she told the father of one of the slain americans this was caused by a video. what's the role of cindy blumenthal. and what role did the fact that this is going on 56 days before a presidential election. these are reasonable questions. questions that the american people deserve to have answers to and are highly relevant if we want to hold the obama administration, the secretary of statatand a future presidential candidate to thee highest values that you wouou want to have r government. >> i want to ask you about another side of the hearing. obviously, we talk about watergate a lot. and parallels or differences. one of the differences, i thought, i remember well on the senate watergate committee some of the republicans actually asked tough questions of -- about richard nixon. and in fact, asou pointnt out
republican staffer who elicited the information about the nixon taping system. here is the kind of thing the democrats were asking hillary clinton during this hearing. >> do we want badger you over and over again until we get the gotcha moment he was talking about? >> i wonder if you would like to comment on what it's like to be the subject of an allegation that you deliberatelyly interfered with security thh cost the life of a friend. >> are you surprised that not a single democrat on that committee had a single pointed question for clinton about the very real issue about what happened in benghazi. >> well, watergate was about a series of crimes well established. and so, it was the republicans who eventually turned on nixon and it was a bipartisan inquiry. here, it's not. it c carly is partisan. and, you know, look -- >> the death of those four americans isn't partisan. >> no -- >> and there are legitimate
questions here. >> they didn't ask him. >> well, here's the issue. you have inconsistencyies. but there -- this is a tragedy. and it should be investigated. yououe right. d she should answer. and, youounow, she did or attempted to answer all of those questions. there's no crime here on her part. and to try to criminalize this or suggest it as some people have said, oh, she'll be in jail. there's no evidence of a crime. there is evidence of inconsistency. i mean, my god, this is our business, our lives. people say one thing privately and saying something different publicly.y. >> does that bother you? as jim jordan seemed to point out that she was saying blaming it on the video publicly, but telling chelsea that it was an attack and telling the egyptian prime minister. >> it better bother us. and this is the question we're
nominee, she's going to get a full field investigation by everyone. so will the r rpublicans. so we don't get what wegot with nixon, which we didn't know about, quite frankly. i mean, this was hidden. so i think there's a big burden on journalists, on television and in the newspapers, bloggers. so when we get to election day next year, people can say, you know what, i know or i had the chance to know everything possible about thesese people. and so, this hearing is one of the pieces of the puzzle. >> what's your read on the hearing? is -- as seems to be the consensus in this town, is she now free and clear politically both on benghazi and the e-mails? >> i think they're two very separate issues. i think the benghazi investigation unveiled the fact there was potentially very classified information being
stored on a private s sver in her own homm that's a a issue that did she as secretary of state handle the issue correctly? i don't think either of them are behind you. because 52% of americans viewed the hearing, they said the investigation into benghazi is justified. and hillary clinton is only viewed as honest and trustworthy by about a third of americans. i don't think she's put this behind her. but ultimately, it may come down to the fbi investigation that determines whether this affects the raceceor not. >> why? >> sootimes i'd listen. it sounds to me like, you know, michael wants to relitigate this and what about this? we've had seven committee hearings, spent millions of dollars. i thought conservatives were concerned about spending money recklessly. look, the hour after this ended. remember, this went on from 10:00 in the morning until 9:00 at night. in the hour afterwards, she raised the most money from small donors, anybody, but a majority of them were small donors. that tells you the democrats. and remember, we're talking
about a democratic primary here. democrats thought she did exceedingly well. you look at the poll numbers. her numbers have gone up in iowa and nationally since these hearings. so the fact is if you even talk to conservatives, conservative writers in this town, from erik erikson, john pott horts. they all said she did very well. oo of them said, you mighghas well have sworn her in. >> michael? >> yeah, look, this will have an impact on her. it'll have an impactecause everybody has built into their baseline when you're dealing with the clintons that they're going to mislead, they're going to opt to escape. there's going to be a scandal hanging over them. that's something everyone knows about the clintons. the case that hillary made in 2008 was at least i'm competent. you want me to pick up the phone at 3:00 in the morning, i think coming through this, she doesn't ok competentnt why didn't we, and why d d we ignne 600 requests for extra security? she had an e-mail server in her
house with classified documents on it. she surrounded herself with staff. and nobody either had the good judgment or felt comfortable enough saying to hillary, hey, you know what, maybe storing e-mails on a private server in your bathroom isn't a good idea. she know longer looks competent. >> these are all legitimate questions, but the hearing was a big h he run for her. let's face it. part of the job of being president is dealing with inconsistency, dealing with adversaries. and endurance. she really showed that she can sit it out and, you know, she says she's not a quitter. that is, in fact, true. >> let's not forget that the other reason why her poll numbers might change in the nextt week or two is that half of her competitors have left the presidential race or decided not to enter it. so e won't know necessarily if her path to the democratic nomination is sealed at this point.
we won't know if it's because of this one hearing or a variety of other things that have broken her way. >> she did well in the debate. biden didn't get in, but most of all, there was no gotcha moment. they had built up this hearing. this is where we'rere g gng to expose hillary. didn't happen. >> if you want a president who can testify for 11 hours she may haze helped herself. if you want a president who doesn't keep things on a private server, she didn't do a good job. >> thank you, panel, see you next sunday. up next, our power player of the
on and off the court. the nba pro basketball season starts tuesday. and too often, the game is overshadowed by players getting into trouble off the court. but washington's best player handles himself differently. here's our power player of the week. >> you learn something new every day, every year. >> john wall is the star point guard for the washington wizards. the league's number one draft pick at age , now starting his sixth year in the nba. >> how do you feel your game has matured over the last five years? >> a whole lot. come in early, just playing that one speed. and not being able to knock down open shots and trusting my teammates. i'm not even reaching, the best i can be in the league and i'm scratching the surface. >> but even more impressive is his growth off t te court.
as someone who gives back to the d.c. community. >> understanding that you're not put on this earth just to be a & basketball player. you're blessed to have the opportunity that's less fortunate and make things better. >> two years ago, wall signed an $80 million extension, but that was part of the announcement. >> i'm going to donate $1 million to the charities in d.c. and area. and just want to donate my time along with the money. >> he's kept his promise.e. starting last year, he teamed one the boys andnd girlsls clubs to give hundreds of kids backpacks filled with school supplies. >> they don't understand. they think i'm making their day, but they're making my day eve more brighter. >> then in september, he donated $400,000 to a center for homeless children. >> the most important thing for me is the kids. those kids get an opportunity to get education, have somewhere to lay and have food on their plate. >> you're a veteran. >> t te flfls. >> what uld you tell the 19-yeye-old john wall?
>> to take it more serious when you first come in. anunderstand what it is. >> the last time basketball fans saw wall in action was in the playoffs last season. when he fell and suffered five fractures in his left hand and wrist. >> was that something that fueled you in the offseason? >> yeah, definitely. and made my fuel and my motivation even more better and my jobob to determine to get what i i ant to get for the organizations. >> walshays his goal this season is for the wizards to get to the eastern conference finals or even the nba championship. >> and goals for john wall. >> goals for myself is being all nba defensive first team, all nba team. mvp conversations, leading the league in assists and being a starter in the all-star game. >> given his record so far, don't bet against him. as a player or a man. can i get a five? >> i want to be remembered by this, building my legacy. if people remember me as john
sunday. >> how about that? >> curt: i'll say it, charissa. "fox nfl sunday" starts now. >> yes, it does. >> legacy. what it's all said and done, how will you be remembered? well, that's up to you. >> this is how you get it done. >> knocking on the door and the door is kept open. a touchdown. >> fourth quarters. 60 minutes. 3,600 seconds to prove what you got.
chance to write your story, to accept every challenge and to leave your mark. don't settle for just being good because being good is a long way from being great. being placed in a category of your own you need to work, sweat, persevere and most importantly, you need to fight. >> to beat the champ you got to knock them out. >> week seven starts now on fox. >> curt: like ronda rousey, the colts are in a fighting move especially after the fake punt heard around the world. how will andrew luck respond today against the saints? >> terry: he ought to feel