tv This Week in Northern California PBS October 23, 2011 4:00pm-4:30pm PDT
good evening. i'm joshua johnson sitting in for belva davis. welcome to this week in northern california. joining ne week on our news panel are hannah dryer, richmond reporter. carla, san francisco chronicle political writer and craig miller, kqed's senior editor. welcome, everyone. craig, let's start with you. captain trade. the plans were laid this week to try to help take me trick tons of car don dioxide out of the
atmosphere. >> make no mistake about it this is a bit of a gamble. there's been nothing quite like this anywhere in the country. something kind of like it in the northeast that only applies to electrical power plans. europe, of course has been doing it. this is a sweeping as you describe it. comprehensive plan. 600 facilities just in the first year alone and then it builds from there. and complicated. still very much a work in progress. as far as we've come. more than four years of building more than a thousand at the stake holder meetings. there's still a lot to figure out exactly. >> sounds like the general idea is to kind of comod tito put a price tag on it. one figure i read said it might be $36. >> the state comes in and says all you guys covered by the
program, here is your cap. no more carbon in the atmosphere. then they took 2% off that and say here is the first cap. then it's going to start rationing down between now and 2012. if you can reduce your emissions by retro fitting your refinery or whatever it is or if you can't do that you can buy permissions to emit carbon over your cap. like the game of monopoly. you get that little pile of paper and you can trade it with other players in the game. >> craig, this has been hailed as the most comprehensive system anywhere in the country. it's also been criticized by conservatives who say electricity is more expensive. how does it affect the average consumer? will it. >> there is no real certainty around that, but it is possible that it will have an effect on your electric rates and your
water rates, too. water districts are not happy by the fact. it will probably most credible studies that came out, remember the big prop 23 fight when industry came in and tried to kill this whole thing. i think most of the credible studies end kated it would not be the wholesale job killer that the oil industry said it will be. it will kill some jobs, but it will probably also create a lot of new jobs as well. >> during the prop 23 debate they said they wanted a program. in congress, a similar program failed last year. why is this happening in california? >> this goes back to the gambling part. this is another roll of the dice. california is in a sense going it alone with this. that's risky. we were supposed to. there was supposed to be a western climate initiative with half a dozen western states going in and creating this big
market. what we ended up with was a couple canadian provinces. no states. now california is doing this. this is part of the worry in business. what happens when i run my glass factory in california and i have to pay for these car emissions but the guy in nevada doesn't. >> there is also a matter of the time line. part of the enforcement was supposed to kick in this coming year. now it's been pushed back a year. there have been lawsuits from environmental justice groups who say the california resources board which is responsible for kind of managing this didn't consider enough alternatives. they quite do this right. i wonder how much of a moving target these states may end up coming. >> it was that lautd i think that's largely responsible for it being pushed back one year n in. i don't know of any big lawsuits on the horizon.
they complied with that one. there is still a lot of room for tweaking in the regulations themselves. not only between now and when it goes into effect but even in the years after it goes into effect. they say they're going to continue this dialog with all the stake holders and use what they call adaptive management to tweak the program. >> i like that term, tweak. >> what about with the economic situation the way it is. you mentioned other states have not signed on. is there a potential here for wh knows what if the economy cons to go south? how does this affect business out there? you mentioned the competitive nature of businesses. some of them may go across the board to other states to do business. >> we're going to have to switch segments in a minute and get states ready for that. >> the biggest idea is about leakage. going else where then this happens. there is also this idea of a hair cut.
very quickly i'll try to do this. some facilities, benchmarks established. if you run a facility not quite up to snuff, like there is a finery up here in rodeo run by conco-phillips that's going of have to pay for some of those allowances right off the back and those companies are worried about that, too. again, really hard to say exactly what the effects are going to be. >> tweak age and leakage. all right. this fight that broke out and the on going tensions between different parts of city government in trying to control gang violence. they kind of butted heads last friday. tell us what happened, first of all. >> the problem is we don't know exactly what happened. we know this a group of men came into city hall last friday to participate in a city antiviolence program and got into a income-down, drag-down
brawl. when the police came and they essentially followed a trail of blood, nobody would talk to them. gang members were still there, wouldn't talk to them. woulden tell them who was there, what happened. >> there is a visual by the way. >> the other visual that stood out to me was this week's city hall meeting because several of them went up and city leaders say you have to cooperate. even the staff as a block said we won't because it will ruin our efforts. >> right. the way this office works it is somewhatunconventional. they are getting community members, people who are on the streets themselves when they were young tore go out and form relationships with people who are in gangs or might well be in gangs. the idea is that you build trust with them. people working in the community in the antiviolence programs say
they condition talk about these people. they can't tell the police what they did because it will erode the trust which is the point of this program. >> there are so many stories that are written on this. you wrote that the men who were fighting was there to collect checks from a city administered life skills training fellowship. checks from 350 to $1000. in an area of fiscal concern, doesn't this give a black eye to every kind of -- how do you justify a program where you're throwing out checks to guys who are trying to kill each other? >> yeah. >> what's the future of this kind of program and doesn't this give a black eye to other programs like this all around the bay area. >> this is a program that serves about 40 young people in richmond, they're 20 to 25. that could mean an antiviolence course or getting your ged. these men also have to not use drugs, not engage in gun
violence. the people running the program are saying it could have been much worse. these men could have used guns. >> they are saying it is a glass half full here. >> right. they are learning life skills. they are following the program. >> but they have to make a decision how to go forward with this. >> here's what kills me about this. this office was on the third floor of city hall. there were supposedly ten of these guys. someone else in that building saw what happened so it is not just the staff from this office but it is the people in city hall and near city hall and around the community who seem to be kind of, you know, when i was growing up we called it no snitching. this whole idea of fear of speaking up. if they can do this in rich monday city hall, what are they going to do to me miles from city hall when the police weren't even there when the fight happened. >> the irony is these are the same people you wrote about who always urge the local community
to cooperate with the cops, correct. >> exactly. that's what has people livid because for years people have been coming in saying you need to talk to police and tell people what you see. this summer 13 people were killed. there is an effort to get people to work with police. now you have this office where they didn't witness a a homicide. they witnessed a brawl. >> you really have to tell somebody what happened. >> right. what surprised us is it is actually city pollty that people who work in the antiviolence program don't have to talk to police. you are supposed to win the confidence of people on the street. >> you see that holding up? >> well, you know, as soon as
these people witness a crime in an obvious way everybody is looking at that policy. and now city leaders are talking about changing it and there is going to be an independent investigation. >> who runs oss, this office of neighborhood safety? >> director and above shim the city manager. >> so the city manager is ultimately the one who has to explain what happened and try to proffer some solution to this. >> yeah. the city manager is doing the best he can. my understanding is he doesn't have the whole story of what happened during the fight either, but he is in the process of re-evaluating how this program is run. he's bringing in an outside par tito look at it. these kind of programs are very popular. the city of richmond is desperate to stop crime. they tried cracking heads. i think there is still a lot of support for a program of this type. >> got you. i look forward to seeing what comes out of this. thank you.
appreciate it. >> politics. not just politics, but a lot of money. there was supposed to be a hearing this week. >> that's right. there was. >> what happened. >> an amazing story. we're talking about a woman who for 20 years has really been a fixture in california political campaign. now the facts are starting to come out. some people are saying as much as $25 million could be involved. we heard spcc hearing diane got a picture of what her campaign is missing. we're talking about on a $5 million campaign alone. most of them democrats who are missing hundreds of thousands of dollars. the tune of 2 to $300,000 or
more. how does this happen? a lot of people are saying this is a woman who worked for 20 years in politics. there were signs that things were off with durky. i think there were warning seens all the way along. >> now, this is a woman who had been trusted by hundreds to basically do their books. the thing that kind of struck me -- go ahead. >> well, absolutely. look, she had $200,000 in fines going back several years. two years ago they wrote a story about her. she was part of the obama campaign reporting to have events with big stars like ertha kitt. we found poor people in the city of compton.
we found her involved in an event. so there were signs that something was off here between the fines and the phony campaign. >> plus, she wasn't even a licensed accountant. >> that's another aspect. one of the interesting things is at a time when a lot of people are calling for cutbacks, fiscal responsible, who was it that found this case? the commission really tracked it down. their budget has been slashed. that's because it involved an oversight of political campaigns. they are way overworked, these folks. >> which brings the question of the people that she was working for. to what exsten thtent is this l enron? >> right. in california, about five or six people tht state who apparently
can understand the complex campaign finance law. now i find that hard to believe but that's what the politicians are telling us, that these rules and regulations are so complicated that only a few people get trusted with them. that's why so many people apparently went to this woman and opened their books and their checkbooks to her in a way that's now proving to be completely insane. >> elected officials who are supposed to be finding the public -- >> very good question. it is not good that there are so many democrats involved here and that has given the republicans the ammunition to say these are the people that are watching your tax dollars. apparently they weren't watching their own. i think it could be a campaign issue. >> want to talk about michelle bachmann in town. before we do that, average people who donated to these
campaigns, average koorganizatis that durky was involved with, how does that work? >> a lot of people who wrote these big checks will write again. i don't think for average people it is the campaigners there. >> got you. quickly. michelle bachmann, she was in town. i know you were stunned that there was no protester or opponent. >> i know. nothing. >> everything was peace and lf. >> she had a standing room only crowd there and it was a love fest. i have to say. this just shows to me that the fact that she didn't attract anything in san francisco was amazing to me. >> briefly because we're almost out of time. seems like president obama is going to be back this week i believe. >> that's right on tuesday. >> exactly. the gop has been campaigning up and down california. they are really not in the state for fans. they are really here for money.
>> that's right. obama is back. one month since he was last here. rick perry is coming back. they are all coming back. california is the atm for all these campaigns. even michelle bachmann did a couple fund raisers in san francisco. >> must be nice. hannah drier of the bay area news group and craig miller of kged. thank you. long time pbs news anchor jim lehrer details his experiences in his new book "tension city". belva davis spoke with him earlier this week. >> belva: jim, you have moderated 11 presidential debates, one the vice presidential debate. how did you become the favorite moderator? >> well, i would love to be able to sit there and tell you that it is because of my brilliance and whatever. t
the practical reason is that it's the nature of what we do at the news hour. the way we talk to people and interview people and run discussions i think it wasless about me than it was about the way we do things. and also it came down to a practical matter a few times when the representatives of the candidates couldn't agree on anybody else. i would like to think it's all about me, but it isn't. >> belva: one season you did all of the debates. >> that's right. >> belva: why. >> the first time it happened nay agreed on my doing the first one. they asked me to do it. this was in '96. bob dole and bill clinton. and i agreed to do it. and then they apparently went on talking and they couldn't agree who was going to do the other two debates so finally these guys started yelling at each other and they said look, we can
agree on -- this is ha i was told later. we can agree on larry. let's see if he can do all three so we can get this thing over with and go to bed at night. that was it. >> belva: your book is called "tension city". that men there was three times that you could go through this. there is a favorite story that you tell in the book about the first president bush and his advice or his comment about what's involved in doing this. >> well, it kind of comes from that. i asked him what were they like, mr. preponderasident. >> he said, oh it was tension city. the editor finally called me. the book was ready to go and the editor called me and said we're
not sure moderator is right. i was very defensive about it and i said well that is the title. he said let me ask you a question, jim. would you buy a book with the title moderator. i said okay i'll think about it. i remembered what george w. bush told me. i remember all the candidates who had done these televised debates. i remember the line from george w. bush. i later asked him in that same interview post-debate interview should they be required part of the political process. he said no. should be up to the candidates. if it was up to a candidate, if they thought it would be helpful, yes. if they thought it would be harmful, tho. it should be up to the candidates alone. >> belva: a good line from president bush.
you had one that rez nated with me. >> well, my comparison who is moderating one of those debates is like walking down blade of a very sharp knife. you take one false step and you get cut. you get hurt. i always felt that way. it's not just for moderators. it is for everybody involved. the steaks are really high for the candidates ander that handlers as well as the moderator obviously. >> belva: president bush, too, was criticized for looking at his watch. why was that such a big deal? >> well, it's an interesting question, belva because bill clinton in fact had a better answer than anybody to that. i asked him why did that matter. he said because it fulfilled a perception of president bush. somehow he was disconnected from the people. remember there had been a story that he didn't know how to work the check out counter at a gres ri store. he was above all this sort of
stuff and the whole process kind of bored him. looking at the watch, according to bill clinton said if clinton had looked at his watch or ross perot who was the other candidate, nobody would have paid any attention to it. but because it was george w. bush and there was already this perception about it, it just seemed to feed the perception and that's why it hur. >> were there moems ever when you're unsure you're going to pull it off? i know there is one chapter where you write about sitting there looking at your prompter and there is nothing there. >> that's right. they had covered it with a piece of black cloth. so the background shot at the beginning when temperature candidates walked in you wouldn't see the prompter. it came through a slit. i looked up to say good evening and they were supposed to pull the sheet away ain and they didn't so all i saw was black. >> your opinions of a debate, do they really help the public make a good decision?
>> absolutely they do. it is the only time, belva during a presidential campaign where the same candidates are on the same stage at the same time talking about something that matters. and you get to take the major of the person, for them or against them pr whether you like their views or not you can have an impression, kind of judge the temperment of these people. judge whether or not you could see these people sitting at a desk in the oval office making a decision about another katrina situation or another 9/11 situation or sending americans to war. >> belva: before we close down, you have been making changes. you're there on friday now. what is the next evolution? >> probably going to be more of the same pip eem very keen doing what i can off camera to try to make sure that public broadcasting remains vital.
not only nationally with the news hour but locally as well. i think that what we're doing should be done by every tell vegs station in the country. i think journalism needs help. public broadcasting needs to step up to the plate and do its part. we're prepared to do it. it's our mission. >> jim lehrer. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thanks to all of our guests for joining us this week. please visit kqed.org/this week to subscribe to our newsletter and pod cast and to share your thoughts about the show. you can also learn more about cap and trade from our blog at kqed.org/climate watch. we loeave you with an earthquak simulator look since a pair of magnitude 4 tremors actually hit