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>> this is "bbc world news america." protesters outside of the parliament in athens have a message, we don't have confidence in anyone. so much for a truce, in syria soldiers are back on the streets and 100 protesters are reported dead in homs. 6 would be cosmonauts' emerge from a mock mission to mars. what did they prove? >> the fate of the greek prime minister, george papandreou's
government will be decided in the next few hours. the immediate from not of this vote disguises the longer term dilemma. do greeks want to stay in the eurozone if that means years of financial austerity imposed on them by european countries? >> greek members of parliament have been writing for a confidence vote. some rebel mp's say that he might -- they might now back to their leader. the country is facing political uncertainty. this is the man at the height of the storm. the greek prime minister called -- caused panic when he suggested a referendum on the latest bailout package. many here fear that a no vote
will mean that greece will have to leave the euro and if you want that. -- and few ant that. >> it would be worse if we leave. we would be totally alone. >> without the help of europe, it would be very difficult for greece. >> already, europe is losing confidence in greece possibility to deal with the crisis. this is the epicenter of the financial uncertainty. in order for this to work out, europe stands very little chance of being able to contain the crisis. the political turbulence here is affecting other hon. economies, especially italy. in the cafes here, you find
little belief that the current politicians can get them out of this mess. >> maybe things need to get so dark before a leader comes and makes a change. >> once again, there is a demonstration. anchor outside the parliament and inside, even for members of the prime minister's own party. >> we have been asked to vote in favor of the government but everyone knows that you can trust the people of greece. >> the next few hours will determine much, the future of the prime minister, the future of his country, and to a large extent, the future of europe. >> matthew prices live for us and athens. with all of the drama, i am a little confused. what is being decided right now.
>> what? >> no, i apologize. we seem to have a problem with the line. let me see if i can continue the discussion and for what the confidence vote will mean for the country. i'm joined now by the author of the new book "remaking scarcity, from a capitalist efficiency to democracy." do you have much sympathy for mr. papandreou as he faces this vote? >> no, his policies have been very i'm just for ordinary greeks. they have also been ineffective. it is not just papandreou's fault of course. the european leaders face a
certain amount of responsibility. they came up with these draconian austerity policies. that has made the crisis much worse. this leads to the strengthening of the economy. that is why the first bailout failed and it is necessary for a second bailout to happen. >> isn't mr. papandreou just really the messenger of the unfortunate reality which is that greece had to do something about its finances and if it wanted to stay in the eurozone and be a member of the club of germany, it had to make these cuts, didn't it? >> at the time of the economic crisis like this, this becomes counter-productive because this is like trying to pay a growing
debt with a shrinking income. this is impossible. this is a vicious circle. people are aware of that. the u.s. was making precisely the same point that this has become the problem. this is not the solution. >> isn't this also the point, in the u.s., if you take on big vested interests as mr. papandreou has done, then you will pay the price. that is why people are so scared of touching some of the big entitlement reforms. >> the big interest in greece are not the public sector workers or ordinary workers, it is those that have never paid the taxes. they're not paying the taxes
even now. i am not sure because this could help the interest of some people but it is not the kind of response that will really deal with the problem. in the case of greece, this is a revenue problem. >> thank you for joining me there from new york. we have sorted out our technology and we can go back to greece. matthew price joins me their lives from athens. to what extent is what is being decided tonight in the greek parliament the deciding factor in whether greece stays in the euro or not? >> i think it is as one business leader put it to me today, a river in a flood. this is a crisis within a crisis. the greek political system, whatever is decided, is at a crisis point and potentially
headed for some very turbulent times ahead. that gives them less opportunity to get their economic house in order. this has been complicated by the advance of the past few days. there is a question about greece's continued involvement in the eurozone. most people tell me that they want to stay. >> we were just hearing from our guest who said that he was critical about what mr. papandreou has done. he said that this is a lesson that if you are going to enact big austerity measures, you have to carry your people with you. >> i think so. this is also the big problem for the whole of europe and the u.s. and others hugely indebted countries that must bring down their debt. the problem is that they need to
make wholehearted structural changes to their economy, their political systems, and social way of life. within greece, that is proving to be very difficult to manage. we have seen that same problem in italy. there are many europeans who feel that they have not been spoken to truthfully by their politicians over a couple of decades now. politicians have known this moment was coming and yet they continue to pretend to their populations that changes were not needed. i think there is a big disconnect between society and the elite, the politicians. >> this is so fascinating that this is the same conversation we have had over in europe and in the u.s.. they probably have other things to discuss at the g-20 summit but you would not know it.
the drama continued to dominate. president obama urged europe to take aggressive steps to fix the crisis. all that president sarkozy could do was a pledge to defend a common currency. >> it was not meant to be like this. the summit that sarkozy has chaired has not done what he wanted or what they wanted. the prime minister said there were six weeks to save the euro, the six weeks are up and the euro is certainly not saved. the british mutter about the germans not putting up the cash and the chinese who could don't see why they should. but french president is not one to give up easily. he insists that the struggle goes on. >> we will fight to defend europe and the euro. this is not any amount of speculation or anyone you like
that has the last word on this issue. europe is the best construction for the service and peace in the world. >> they have been forced to wait, watch, and worry. greece has been told that there is to be no new deal. there is no point in a referendum. no wonder they are calling this the greek tragedy. italy's silvio berlusconi could be waving goodbye to power and his country's finances have also been problematic. what this summit did not agree is who would pay what into europe's bailout fund. or who would pay how much for the imf, the international monetary fund to ensure that no other country can go the way of greece. for those outside the eurozone, this is all rather frustrating.
>> i am not sure if it is merkel, so cozy, they joke with me that i got a crash course in european politics. -- nicolas sarkozy, they joke with me that i got a crash course in the european politics. >> david cameron says that every day this goes on is bad for the economy. than youit more stark are saying, there is no deal on the eurozone and no deal on financing? >> the problem is that there is not a deal, the problem is all the details, all the specifics. what they cannot do is string this out endlessly with another round of conversations, negotiations. the world cannot wait. >> the president had hoped for so much from his summit.
when it comes to the eurozone, the world still is can't. >> this drama is certainly not over. from around the world, bomb blasts and a gun firing out in nigeria. police say a powerful car bomb exploded. suicide bombers that netted their explosives at multiple targets to the east including a school and military base. authorities blame this on a radical muslim sect, boko haram. the floods sweeping across bangkok are threatening the subway system. authorities have placed steel barriers around the underground stations and are monitoring for any signs of water. the floods are the worst the country has seen and half a century and have killed nearly 450 people. here in the u.s., the jobs
picture has shown modest improvements. the labor department reports the 8000 new jobs were created nationwide in october which pushes the national unemployment rate down to 9%. medical officials in the syrian city of homes -- homs say that the hospitals have received more than 100 hospital -- 100 corpses in the past 24 hours. we have a report from neighboring turkey were many syrians have fled the unrest. >> a hasty funeral for someone reportedly killed after the peace deal was a cheat. activists say the death toll shows the government cannot be trusted. this makes specific demands of the president.
he must remove the military from the streets, release prisoners, and allow monitors and journalists free access. instead, president assad has come back with a demand of his own. he is giving the opposition group a week to hand over any weapons that they have. >> it is very difficult to see that he would withdraw his forces. the minute he would do this, you will see millions of people on the streets. people will demand his downfall and his position will be even weaker. >> the reports suggest that nothing has changed yet. doctors were talking about 100 bodies or more in the hospital and this suggests that the violence has escalated. what is proposed by the arab league is the only deal on offer right now. the only possibility to stop the
slide into civil war. it needs to show some results soon if syrians are to believe that it. >> the standoff that does not stop. rescuers in china are still hoping to find 50 miners trapped underground after an explosion. officials say the mine shaft collapsed after a low level of earthquake. several have been rescued. >> this is built moment that rescuers and families had been waiting for, people being brought to the surface. there was applause as the men were brought to the ambulances. a couple had only minor injuries and managed to walk out into the daylight by themselves. dozens more are trapped underground.
china as a terrible record when it comes to mine safety. thousands die every year. this might not be to blame for this particular accident. it is not clear exactly what happened but the miners appeared to have been trapped after a sudden explosion of rock. that came minutes after an earthquake that hit the area where the mine is located. before now, those at the surface just the news of those that might be alive. the authorities say they're doing everything they can to get them out. "still to come, how a journey to know where brings us closer to mars. six men have emerged after 17 months on a simulated mission to the red planet.
britain has announced plans to celebrate the opening of the olympic games next year by bringing all of the bells in the country at the same time. organizers have unveiled the official posters for the game. >> and brigitte rightly has done stripes, portraits, words. there is a new swimmer in the corner. >> this is such a big event and it is not only affect people here, it has to affect people universally and culturally. this is like a cultural love letter. >> it looks like a podium. "yes, it looks like a podium. >> yes, i think it looks like a
podium. so far, that is in keeping with the fact that in the olympic games that there are podiums. >> much has been promised about how the london olympics will show off britain's culture and costing nearly 100 million pounds. we're all being asked to ring the bell on the 27th of july. edinburgh is to be written out -- l >> this is a reference to the impending doom. >> a festival of creativity and britishness. inventiveness, part of a joke, and just a little bit eccentric.
>> imagine being locked in a windowless steel box for 17 months by choice. in june last year, that is what six men decided to do it in the name of science. the test was to stimulate -- simulate traveling to mars and see if humans could cope mentally and physically with the long duration space flight. 520 days later, they have emerged only to go into quarantine. >> it was the door that had not been opened for 520 days. behind it, six men, who for 17 months, only had each other for company. then, they started to emerge. they had been on one of the strangest space missions of recent years, a trip to know
where -- a trip to nowhere and simulating mars. >> we have achieved on earth the longest space voyage ever said that humankind can one day create a new dawn. >> the idea was to test whether man could deal with the stress and boredom of a long voyage to mars, approximately an 8 month journey across $45 million -- 45 million miles across space. they started their virtual journey in june last year. the most exciting moment was stepping out here on to this pile of sand, a simulation of a walk on the surface of mars.
at times, the experiment was very obviously assimilation but they said that cut off from the outside world, it felt real for them. genuine oscar not say that going to mars is the -- astronauts say that going to mars is the big ambition. >> that is what we dream about. >> going to mars? >> going to mars. >> the mission had its light moments but scientists insist this was a serious experiment, getting ready for a voyage in about 20 years time. >> no way i would do that. this is not your typical cop. he bows down to mecca on his lunch breaks and the worst to foster understanding between the police department. he joined the police force shortly after earning his
degree. at the time, there was only 20 people in the department and one year later, terrorists attacked new york on september 11th, 2011. >> at the age of 15, we knew why they came from there. my mother was crying. as we drove away from the village and looking back on the town, i wanted to cry but i could not. i just told myself. i remember that first night when i got there, i was so terrified i did not know what was going to happen. after my surface, i was about 20
years old and when i had a chance to leave, i took my chance and i came here. i continued my education and that is when the police department came to mind. this was probably one of the most of the cool days of my life. i knew there is going to be consequences. i knew that we had to reach out to other muslim officers and to address some of these things that had been said. the way that officers had been harassed. we had to work to make sure that
no one was being harassed or picked on because of their religion. it was after 9/11. as i was patrolling the area, this old lady comes by and says, officer, there are these people over there. they are arabs. she said, they don't like america. i said, really? what is my name. i showed her my name. she said, you are an indian? i said, no, i and an arab. -- i am and arabs. there is a lot to being a police officer and being an arab. >> that is the show. i am katty kay, thank you for watching. have a great weekend.
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