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>> rose: welcome to our ogram, tonight we take a look at the new hampshire primary with matthew dowd, al hunt, norah o'donnell and former senator from new hampshire judd gregg. >> everybody's been looking f somebody to build around a consensus candide to take on mi romney. that hasn't happed. but what has happened inhe last 24 hours for the first time in the race, there is a consensus message against mitt >> rose: what are the themes of romney that every one of the a is mie? can dates are now repeating. pride. family. >> truth. >> ros. >> rose: also a look at the film >> rose: what are the themes of "the artist." this movie? the star is jean dujardin and pride. family. berenice bejo and the film is >> truth. >> rose: truth. >> love. >> rose: love. directed by michel hazanavicius. >> rose: >> betrayal. >> fame. >> rose: especially fame. >> to me, the story is more about how, a man, a human being, >> and silence. >> rose: how do you mean has to adapt himself in a silence? >> i mea, silence is one of the themes of the movie. transiti period and how when your world is changing you have >> rose: silence between people? to face that. >> between people and silence in
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the movie and how silence can be hollywood or not hollywood, it's the same for everybody and especially now. the world is changing so fast very... can demolish a couple that when you wor in a factory and w... i think silence is a be or in an office or in anywhere, things can change very quickly very... can demolish a couple and you have to adapt yourself. and w... i think silence is a i think it's more about that. rose: the new hampshire primary and the new silent film little bit everywhere. because 's a silent movie, "the artist," when we continue. silence came in the writing process and became to me. >> rose: what do you think people feel coming out of this movie that they might not have imagined going in? what is the emotion that makes this so attractive to audiences? >> i think they feel really happy and smart. th because really happy and smart. because i guess st people haven't seen silent movies. and think think it's boring or hard. it's going to be hard work.
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and you finally sit down and someone tells you a story. once upon a time you have george valentin who meets peppy miller. and it's very easy to understand yoconnect with the movie, there's no sound so your imagination is, you know, veit'sth no sound so your imagination is, you know, very... it's very needed for the movie. captioning sponsored by rose communications so i think the audience feels really happy and touch most of the people cried but of from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. happiness, of sadness, of emotion. they're very touched after the >> rose: we begin tonight with movie. >> rose: what was george an assessment of the new hampshire primary. valein's reaction to the mitt romney enters new hampshire as a clear favorite. arrival of talking pictures? in two debates over the weekend, the other candidates took aim at him. ar >> can we drop a little bit of ?rivaof talking pictures? the pious baloney? the fact is, you ran in '94 and here? >> scared.
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lost, that's why you weren't in the senate with rick santorum. the fact is you had a very bad and (spks french) reelection rating, you dropped out of office, you had been out >> he's laughing. of state for something like 200 he doesn't believe in it. >> rose:hy doesn't h believe days preparing to run for president. in it? you didn't have this interlude why does he not seeit? of citizenip while you thought out what to do. >> because he has no instinct you were running for presidt while you were governor. you went all over the country, for the future. you are out of state consistently. you then promptly reentered like everybody else does. politics, you happened to lose >> and i think he still wants to to john mccain as you lost to do something in silence. ken difficult you've been running consistently for years like everybody else does. and years and years. >> i was running the same year >> and i think he still wants to he ran in 1994. do something in silence. i ran in the tough state of he has somethingto say,ou pennsylvania against an incumbent. governor romney lost by almost know? 20 points. why because at the end of that he... >> my interpretation is that he campaign he wouldn't stand up thinks that the audience follows for conservative principles, he ran from ronald reagan and he said he was going to be to the him. left of ted kennedyn gay >> rose: so he's full of sense rights, abortion, and a host of of self because he's been suck so successful. other issues. we wants someone when the time gets tough-- and it will in this >>se he's bee suck election-- we want someone who will stand up and fight for so successful. nservative principles. >> we all hav records. >> it's... he's a little those who were governors very specific job creation record.
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i delivered a flat tax in my arrogant and (speaking french) state and we becam the top job creator in the country. mitt was number 47. sorry. >> rose: there was ao news >> rose: it's arrogance, too? from the white house today. president obama announced that jack lew, his director of the >> yes. >> rose: you were going to say?) office of management and budget sorry. would replace his chief of staff >> rose: it's arrogance, too? bill daley. >> yes. >> there's no question i'm going >> rose: you were going to say? >> i think he's really to deeply miss having bill by my egocentric and he thinks that side at the white hous pe w but as he will on fd out, >> yes. >> rose: you were going to say? chicago is only a phone call >> i think he's really egocentric and he thinks that away and i'm going to be using people will follow him instead that phone number quit a bit. of following the i plan t continue to seek egocentric and he thinks that bill's advise and council on a people will follow him instead range of issues in the months of following the technical and years to come. and here in washington, i have every confidence that jack will improvement the technical make sure that we don't miss a beat and continue to do everything we can to strengthen our economy and the middle-class improvement so i think he snub s and keep the american people safe. >> rose: joining me now from new hampshire, al hunt, in charge of blooerg's election coverage. judd gregg, aformer republican senator from w hampshire. from washington, d.c., nah the talking because his
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o'donnell, she's the chief white house correspondent for cbs character will change to adapt news. here in new york city, matthew himself. i think he snubs dowd, he is a contributor for abc news and bloomberg new the talking because his character will change to adapt i am pleased to have all of them here on election eve. himself. i think people will followterwit i begin with al hunt. tell me where youhink i is. is there motioon the ground up himself. i think people will follow him there? >> things are moving, charlie, because they always move 24 and cinema willdapt to him, hours before new hampshire vote. not the opposite. rose: what is this filmow him there's a little anecdotal and a little polling day to suggest and cinema willdapt to him, that romney is slipping a little not the opposite. but it would be a shocker if rose: what is this film saying about the idea of mitt romney didn't n this hollywood and famedapt to him, primary tomorrow. not the opposite. rose: what is this film saying about the idea of i think much ofthe speculation now is, you know, who's going to hollywood and fame? finish behind him and what difference that might make on >> i think it's... i don't know their ability to go forward. exac hollywood and fame? i think of the top three it's almost certain that paul will be one of them an i think it's >> i think it's... i don't know unceain whether it's going to exactly. i mean, there's no... there's be huntsman or gingrich or nothing cynical in the movie. santorum. i spoke to one very conservative >> i think it's... i don't know exactly. person up here today who said he i mean, there's no... there's thinks the movement is more with nothing cynical in the movie.
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ntsman. so he expects hava romney there's no criticizing of out front and paul and huntsman hollywood and i think it's more love lettero.re's by 10 or 15 points. nothing cynical in the movie. >> rose: what would that do if there's no criticizing of that's true to santorum as he hollywood and i think it's more love letter to hollywood in the goes to south carolina? >> certainly doesn't help going to south carolina saying, "yeah, rm. think it's more i finished eight votes behind in love letter to hollywood in the iowa then fourth or fifth in new rm. hampshire." i think nothing really changes some of this is psychological. in hollywood and in that south carolina will be a whole new ball game. principle of fame. the this is the most engaged rm. citizenry in america. south carolina there will be i think nothing really changes stuff below the radar screen, in hollywood and in that above the radar screen, bring principle of fame. people are up and then they are down and this is the the... bng all the wen and children inside because it will in hollywood and in that get ugly. >> rose: how do you see it, principle of fame. people are up and then they are mr. dowd? down and this is the way it >> i think huntsman may finish second. second in this race. works and the people c they are >> ahead of ron paul? down and this is the way it >> i was talking about this with senator gregg who was part of works and the people can help the bush 22000 effort and the each other day before new hampshire our tracking polls showed us down by works and the people can help ten or 12, we lost by 19. each other and to me the story the last driver of that race was
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independent votes that basically decided they'd totally turn and they went... bu won is more about how a.. otr and ty republicans but heost independents dramatically. think the independents have is more about how a man... a moved, in my view, inthe last 36, 48 hours, in a big way human being as to adapt himself towards jon hundredthsman. is more about how a man... a think haze the potential to finish sond. if he finishes second it throws human being as to adapt himself another mony wrench in this. i don't think he c have a he impact in south carolina but it in a transition period and how does change the dynamics of this when your world is changing you race. himself as paul said if he's to rise up to second. >> rose: senator, you aren't in a transition period and how supporting governor romney but when your world is changing you what wouldou say? have to face that period. you know new hampshire much hollywood or not hollywood, it's tter than the rest of us? >> i think al's right, his the same forwho assessment is pretty close. when your world is changing you have to face that period. i think there will be a fairly hollywood or not hollywood, it's significant gap between mitt the same for everybody and romney and the group behind him. i think group behind him is especially now. going to be very grouped. the same for everybody and i think it very close. i don't think there will be much more than two or three especially now. percentage points separating ron paul, santorum,ingrich and the world is changing so fast huntsman. that when you work in a factory huntsman is moving but not much. or. i don't see it... i don't hear
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footsteps. the world is changing so fast mat mentions 2000. that when you work in a factory we heard the footsteps in 20. or an office things can change quickly and you have to adapt we watched them go buy. yourself. i think it's moreutatboth t whey >> rose: more than footsteps! or an office things can change yeah, clumping. >> rose: an elephant behind quickly and you have to adapt them. yourself. i think it's more about that. >> but i don't hear foot steps >> it's never been more true this time. than it is today because of technology and how fast the huntsman has lived here for the woo adapt yourself. i think it's more about that. la six months, he he's spent a >> it's never been more true lot of money here. than it is today because of if he comes in second here as matt thinks he might whe does technology and how fast the world is moving. we've seen hit in the industrial age, too. me go? as you move from railroa he hasn't been anywhere else. how does he take that and move technology and how fast the world is moving. it forward. so i'm not so sure that people we've seen hit in the industrial aren't looking that the in new age, too. hampshire at least, new as you move from railroads to hampshire voters look at two planes. things, they look at the policy most of the railroad companies who you would pect and the of the person and what they're trooan. looking mostly at right now is as you move from railroads to fiscal policy and jobs and how planes. most of the railroad companies to get the economy going and how who you would pect and the to get the country's financial transportation companies would house in order and secondly lead the way into the aircraft most of the railroad companies leblt kt. on electability mid-is winning who you would pect and the transportation companies would that hands down and i think lead the way into the aircraft independents will vote that business didn't. they died out as new peo the ait issue. >> rose: norah, how do you see in the terms of what cbs and
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your own reporting tells you about this republican race? business didn't. >> well, look, today was a very they died out as new people big news day. not only areen the eve of started the aircraft business. it wasn't the old people. >> and you c out as new people the new hampshire primary but all of the major publican started the aircraft business. candidates who want to an it wasn't the old people. >> and you can change very alternative to mitt romney together sort of teamed up against mitt romney, attacking his record at bain capital, quickly. so you work in ald people. accusing him as someone who >> and you can change very while leading up this company quickly. so you work in a factory and the essentially shipped jobs overseas, was a job-killer not a month after this factory will be in asia and you have change very job-creator. and what's stunning about that, quickly. so you work in a factory and the according to democrats i spoke month after this factory will be today, that's ripping a page out in asia and you have to find of the obama 2012 handbook. another way to ftory will be so today the obama team didn't have to do muchecau many of in asia and you have to find those challenginmitt romney were delivering what will be another way to live and i t livk many of the democratic attacks that will be made the general election and, of course, the other bigews here at the wte house, charlie, was that bill daley, the president's chief of staff, we learned today is resigning. just as we head into this reelection year. i think there's a reshuffling of that's why people can be touched
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people here in the wte house. by the story, more than the hollywood live and i think the president's been concerned about... the last seven months that's why people can be touched have been embarrassing and by the story, more than the disastrous in terms of his hollywood thing. relations with capitol hill so they're trying to turn the corner and be ready for whoever hollywood is more the m this eventual republican nominee e than the hollywood thing. is. >> rose: i was going toold that conversation a little later but because you're outside, i'll hollywood is more the background. >> rose: you can set the firm in go to it right now. so beyond what you had just said anywhere, it happens to be the did the president finally say to ba bill daley "this is not working hollywood is more the background. the way we hoped it will work"? >> rose: you can set the firm in anywhere, it happens to be the or did bill daley say background for firm in "mr. president, i can't do what i came here to do"? >> i'm told that when the anywhere, it happens to be the background for this it makes president returned from hawaii last tuesday, january 3, that fill with daley walked into the oval office and delivered his resignation letter and according this it makes hollywood. to a senior administration official the president was surprised and asked daleee to reconsider. sense to be in hollywood. they slept on it and on that's why the movie a love wednesday the president accepted letter to hollywood. daley's resignation. >> rose: is george then a tragic by friday jack lew, who is currently the president's o.m.b. sense to be in hollywood. that's why the movie a love director, accepted toll become letter to hollywood. >> rose: is george then a tragic
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the new chief of staff and it wasn't until monday, today, that figure? >> both, iywoo we found out about this in part because only a few people knew about it. but, look, this has been an >> rose: is george then a tragic extremely rocky tenure for bill figure? >> both, i think you can do now daley who was brought in to make the trains run on time, w was supposed to establish tied with the business community. and instead there has been a th think you can do now very diffilt relationship not just wh the republicans up on capitol hill and speaker boehner during the debt debacle but bill withelodramatic... y can do daley angered the democratic a movie that can be also fun and leader harry reid in the senate and i think the president is funny think you can do now trying to make a fresh start in withelodramatic... y can do the new year. >> rose: al, how do you see this a movie that can be also fun and daley development? >> well, i think this is the funny and it'scan be also fun ad white house staff that's in total disarray. it's shown itself to be incompetent. i think bill daley, frankly, funny and it's entertainment could have been a very good chief of staff but from day one he was undercut by valerie with a happy endingt's entertait jarrett, the president's close confidante. he was undercut by david plouffe and i don't think it's bill with a happy ending. daley's fault they had problems on capitol hill. harry reid gets mad at everybody. >> rose: so i don't want to give i think it was the fact that he away the movie but what happens. never had the... the president of the united states chose not
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to intervene and say "he's my >> rose: so i don't want to give chief." away the movie but what happens i think he was undercut from almost day one. to ppy? >> what happens to pep to give >> rose: does that make sense? you had deal with them when they away the movie but what happens to ppy? wanted to nominate y to be a >> what happens to peppy she mber of the cabinet. >> well, i was a big fan of bill daley's. i think laefs very positive arrives, she has thatream, she force to bring into the white has that dream to become an house. i regret it didn't work out. actress and that's what interview scene where she's jack lew is an equally positive speaking like she's the biggest force. i worked very closely with him movie star ever and i like her because she's not just nice and when he was running with basically the financial activities at the state department rand then as o.m.b. sweet. director because of my position on budget and appropriations and he's a straight shooter, he's she is a humannd got a lot of credibility up on sweet. the hill on both sides of the aisle. he's partisan, no question about she is a human being and she can that. bu he's fair and he' tell you be arrogant. >> rose: do you think of the what he thinks and listen to what you think and give you a character as tragic? fair hearing. so i think it's a good choice but it does show, as al has >> yesa little bit tragic, yes? pointed out, that this white house is in disarray at the staffing levels and you see it not only i this situation but >> yesa little bit tragic, yes.
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you see it with the departure of larry summers of basicly t entire financial team from the but a lot of dignity. white house and what's the >> rose: you two have worked biggest problem we face as a country? it's our fiscal issues. together twice before. this is your third film? so it's not good. >> fourth. >> rose: to me, this is... what this signals is basically the final signal of what kind of >> we made campaign we're going to see over >> fourth. the course of the next ten months because i they the president decided in the aftermath when he lost the >> we madenother one. midterms, he had sort of gotten >> rose: what was that? the message that what i'd been >> it' a short movie doing wasn't right, the country wants somebody to bring people together. that's when he called me up and >> it's a sketch movie. i met with him at the white house, he asked me what i >> rose: oh, six different thought about a bunch of different stuff and right after direors? that he appointed bill daley as movie >> it's a sketch movie. a signal i'm going to conduct >> rose: oh, six different things differently, it won't be direors? >> yes. the rahm emanuel white house like >> like the italian movies. where it's slash-and-burn partisan, itill be a different >> rose: what's the status... bipartisan or nonpartisan white where would you put french cine today? house. that lasted for 60 or 90 days then i think the campaign, david plouffe and everybody else decided the only way they n it's had golden ages before. >> i think there there's a lot win thisace is a very partisan
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of good young directors right very bitter polarized battle. i don't think they think they now since maybe five, ten years. can appeal to independent voters in an open bipartisan way that's going to work so what i think they want to do is create enough i think there was like the '80s, enthusiasm among their partisan '90s i didn't really... that was not my favorite moment in france ranks and hopefully do enough de-enthuse the republican ranks so they can win a race that's a much more polarized rac bill daley, him leaving, is the final signal that what you're i'm quite happy of what's going to see over the next ten happening in france. months is not appeals to swing >> rose: where would you like, voters but a total partisan michele, your career to go do attack. >> rose: do you hear the same thing, norah? >> i don't think you have to remove the chief of staff of the you want to do a certain kind of white house in order to run a movie or do all kinds of knew partisan campaign. david plouffe and certainly his please? >> certainly all kinds of team in chicago could have done movies. that with bill daley keeping the becae i need be very, very trains running on time at the white house. much involved in the movie. bill daley had come on board. about a year ago, he promised to i want to make... i mean, it stay two years. takes me, like, two years at he is leaving one year later. least to make a movie so i need it's because this white house to get involved a lot and so i was beset by a lot of staff turmoil. incredible tension where bill need to love the projects and i daley did not get along with can't say yes or commit myself
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some staff members and he had a in the movie that i'm not sure incredibly difficult tenure on capitol hill. and there were mistakes at were made. when the president rolled out his american jobs act, which is so sometimes you want to make the signature policy initiative people laugh and have a great that he wants to run in in the privilege and sometimes you want to make a drama and you want to next year, thisear, draw say someing and sometimes you diinctions wh republicans, want just to entertain. bill daley fumbled on. that remember, he was supposed to go out with the president and so i think i'm not good to deliver a joint session address calculate, just follow my in congress and bill dey instincts. announced it without ever >> rose: and they're ther, you don't have to search yourself speaking with speaker boehner and say "what is it i want to about that and ignoring decades do. it will just come to you. of precedent about how a speaker of the house and the chief of >> i think sometimes you just staff operate. take a simple story the way you these are simple communications that st of failed with this white house and i think bill are telling the story is more important than the story itself. >> rose: you're making another daley grew frustrated internally and i think there was finally a film? decision made to move in a different direction. >> >> rose: albert? >> it's a spy movie between a >> yeah i think matthew love story and a spy movie. overstates the campaign theme a bit. (laughter) >> rose: set in france? clearly you're going to reach out... they clearly are going to >> yes, monaco and kiev.
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reach out to independent voters. as a matter of fact, their campaign might be similar to the campaign the 43rd president ran and belgium. in 2004 which is make sure you >> rose: belgium. >> yes. thank you. >> rose: so what are your have your base and reach out to the middle. i will say the white house-- and ambitions as an actor? i do think the staff is in disarray and they did undercut just to have fun. bill daley, i share jed gregg's admiration and respect for jack lew. to stay true to myself and stay little-known fact, i met jacket 37 years ago when he was an aide to ba abzug. he was a great counsel to tip a kid. >> rose: it's my ambitn, t, o'neill tunnel, he's a man of to stay a kid. great judgment, fairness and integrity. he won't do a political job. that will be done in chicago and and... (speaking french) i ink the one gift that they've had this week is the to be surprised. other republicans-- gingrich, >> rose: to be surprised. >> by a director or by a story. santorum, perry, huntsman all putting that private equit bain >> rose: it's interesting you say that because i once talked to mike nichols about directing and i said to him "what do you capital issue on the front burner and it's going to be hard want from an actor?" now when the democrats atck and he said "i want an actor to him even more vehemently on this surprise me." for the republicans to scream
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"class warfare." and you're saying "ain't >> i'll just say one thing. director to surprise me." when you run a reelection you understand? it's true. campaign in the white house, you want somebody to come and in there's no distinction between the campaign headquarters in a sense surprise you and not go chicago and the white house. down a road that you necessarily there's no distinction between the two things. where you send the president, know but bring you a place where what the president says, how it calls on all of your own sort it's conducted. karl rove never went on the of creativity to deliver. reelection campaign. karl rove was in the white house. don't tell me that karl rove >> that's why it's such a unique wasn't involved in strategic project for an actor. decisions about how we were going to operate and what was because you'll never get a going to happen. chance to do a silent movie ever i'm not saying you can't run a partisan race. again and, yeah, you're totally what'm saying is the power surprised. it's totally unexpected. structures at the white house and i think nora knows is this that's the best. is that the people that won out in the the power structures wa (speaking french) >> to admire the other one, the not the bill daley let's figure director, to be able to admire out a way for everybody to get the director, it's very along and build links to people, important. >> rose: are you surprised by the success. the power structure that won out >> yeah, sure. are the more partisan, the more i mean it's absolutely polarizing power structures. and if i were billaley watching that, i'm not saying unexpectable. the president removed him i hope people would enjoy the because he said "i want to run a partisan campaign." movie, but iever could expt but as those power structures that kind of reception. were settled and it was settled it's just too much. >> rose: i have two things i on a much more partisan and have to do here. i want, one, to show the next
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polazing campaign, bill daley clip, which is george valentin did not have room until that. >> rose: senator gregg... taking some bows after screening >> charlie, i think what matthew of one of his sung saysful silent films. looking for that great healer, rl rove. roll tape. (laughter) >> i'm not saying that! (laughter) >> you have to interview karl rove about me and you won't see a healer. >> rose: no love lost there? (laughter) senator gregg, how do you think...et's assume that t governor does well, as you hope he will do, in new hampshire. most people exct him to w. are we looking at a race in which time will determine whether the conservatis can coalce around one person or governor romney gets so ose to the nomination it will not matter? >> well, i don't think it will be that issue. i don't think gorpl's policies are anything but conservative and so i don't think he's really going to he a problem with
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most conservatives. >> rose: why hasn't he done more than 25%. >> i think he can bring together the party quickly once we get past the nominating process >> rose: when i asked a question about ambition i was thinking of sort of hollywood and to be a we'll see people getting on the huge movie star in terms of boat. if he wins iowa and new hampshire, he goes into south llywood and say... as say carolina holding an awful lot of daniel craig or george clooney cards and south carolina has or brad pitt. historically been a tough place does that interest you? i mean, you have the physical to run an election race, they and the sort of talent to do play serious politics down there as i understand it. but i think they end to also that. vote for somebody they feel can >> but not the language. win the election and i think >> rose: well, i know! that's one of the strongest so that's an interesting cards that mitt romney has and question. but not the language: as a practical matter if he's won in ia he's won in new hampshire. he's shown he can win in the >> it's about a project. primaries, too. >> rose: so electability... but i am... i'm very happy in >> i think h comes in with good cards. >> rose: so conservatives are willinto vote more for fran. i'm very lucky but if a project electability than they are someone that they believe has been an authentic conservative throughout his plit career?
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or director asks me, why not? >> well, first off, it's not monolithic. our party is like the democratic but it's a... it's abstract. party, it has all sorts of different folks running around. but we all come under the banner of basically smaller government, more efficient government and individual liberties. it's too early to tell, i think. >> rose: take a look at this. this is one last scene i want to under those tests, mitt romney meets those tests and i think see. for most republicans we really this is you and you from your feel very strong they the film in 2006. country's at a tipping point here. we're going to have to choose which course we take. are we going to follow, as mitt "o.s.s. 17 cairo, nest of spies." in a talkky. says, the european model of governance or american exceptionalism building epientrepreneurship and individuals taking risk? it's very important to have a candidate who can carry our message and beat the president. >> rose: but can he be hurt and damaged by... >> and i think mitt romney meets those criteria. >> rose: as has been stated here, can he be hurt on the republican side by the attacks of his activities at bain capital d then president obama will come along in the general election and just pick up on
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that them? >> i think it's good to get it out. i think his answers are very positive and very good. he created jobs. isn't it nice to have somebody >> rose: funny because the words who's running for president who are translated? >> it's so funny to see each created jobs. other years ago. (laughs) >> rose: thank you. it's a pleasure to meet you and before he was a state senator in a pleasure to have you here at illinois he was a community this table. >> thank you very much. organizer in illinois. it's got to be done in the >> thank you. positive but to get the issue >> rose: thank you for joining us. out there it will be healthy for see you tomorrow morning. mitt to take on this issue right now. >> rose: >> the president made the case last week as the unemployment rate fell to 8.5% but in the past year 1.6 million jobs have been created. the unemployment rate has been falling. if the trend continues that way, it would certainly help precauesiden of that. >> rose: so when you were dodd
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do this, any trepidation? were you scared? rlaug) you said no? >> yeah, i said no. it wasmposyowa because... im .. i sdai mle or keaton it's impsible, it's not me (speaking french). (speaking french) >> he just thanks him. >> rose: but what was the one thing you had to overcome. what was the most difficult part of it. because you're using your face,
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not your words. >> the challenge was a tap dance and not really different. for the audience it's a silent movie. for us on set it was a talking movie because we had lines, we spoke in french and english and gibberish. >> ros gibberish. >> yes. there was a lot of music on set. the director spoke. the dog trainer, sometimes it was difficult for concentration but not really different. it's more ininctive. your body does the work. >> rose: look at this. this is the scene in which you are tap dancing... your character is tap dancing behind the screen with a woman he discovers is peppy miller. roll tape.
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>> rose: you were inspired by "singing in the rain"? >> well, yeah, i guess so. but when i was writing the script i really avoided to i so. but when i was writing the script i really avoided to rework "singing in the rain because i didn't want to make the same movie. >> rose: did you do a lot of research in >> sure. mainly because i wanted to understand how does it work to make a silent work to make a silent movie. what are to make a silent movie. what are the rules of the game. so i had to make the vocabulary of how to tell a story..
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what are the rules of the game. so i had to make the vocabulary of how to tell a story. >> rose: tell me the story here. who is peppy miller, your vocabulary of how to tell a story. >> rose: tell me the story here. who is peppy miller, your character? >> peppy miller, she's a young woman who wants to become an r, your character? >> peppy miller, she's a young woman who wants to become an actress and who dreams about won who wants to become an actress and who dreams about george valentin and finally met him. >> rose: he is the star. >> yeah, he's the star of the at george valentin and finally met him. >> rose: he is the star. >> yeah, he's the star of the world. at that point when you're a star you're the star of >> yeah, he's the star of the world. at that point when you're a star you're the star of the world. and she finally met him on the
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red carpet like at that point when you're a star you're the star of the world. and she finally met him on the red carpet like she's... her bag fell and they y met him on the red carpet like she's... her bag fell and they met and that's the beginn they met and that's the beginning of their story. they're going to meet over some years and their destiny is going to be kind of met and that's the beginning of their story. they're going to meet over some years and their destiny is going to be kind of crossed always and she's going to become a movie star and work more and more s years and their destiny is going to be kind of crossed always and she's going to become a movie star and work more and more and become a movie star and he's shs going to become a movie by star and work more and more and become a movie star and he's going toe totally forgotten by
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the industry and she still believesn hi going toe totally forgotten by the industry and she still believesn hi and will try to take him back to the industry because she really cares and loves industry and she still believesn hi and will try to take him back to the industry because she really cares and really loves him. she's a beautiful character. she's very lovable from the very because she really cares and really loves him. she's a beautiful character. she's very lovable from the very beginning for men and she's very lovable from the very beginning for men and women she's not calculating anything, she's just enjoying life. she's very women she's not calculating anything, she's just enjoying life. she's very positive soul and very truth to herself and to life. i love her. eig
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she's very positive soul and very truth to herself and to life. i love her. i had so much fun and to beveryo life. i love her. i had so much fun and to be her mi and to be hereful to and i'mvery grateful to michelle. >> rose: you metanvery gratefulo michelle. >> rose: you met on another film yes? >> yes. >> rose: and instantly felt admiration of eachth rose: you m yes? >> yes. >> rose: and instantly felt admiration of each other's ability as well as each other's heart. >> no. instantly felt admiration of each other's ability as well as each other's heart. >> no. (laughter) >> i wish i could say yes.
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we were heart. >> no. (laughter) >> i wish i could say yes. we were working and when i make a we were working and when i make a movie... and i don't say that ing and when i makebut i don't a movie... and i don't say that because she's here but i don't flirt. i have so much work to do. but t flirt. i have so much work to do. so i used to say that the character do. so i used to say that the character was inspired character was inspired by.
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>> rose: how so? >> because as i said i read the script with them by. >> rose: how so? >> because as i said i read the script with them in mind. >> rose:hy did she inspire peppy miller? >> because of the energy, becauseas i said i read the script with them in mind. >> rose:hy did she inspire peppy miller? >> because of the energy, because of what she just... i mean,ller at >> because of the energy, because of what she just... i mean, that doesn't mean that the character of george valenn is mean, that doesn't mean that the character of george valenn is exactly like... it's not...ge vs exactly like... it's not... but
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i t... but i wanted to e both of them in that kind of character and imagery. but i wanted to e both of them in that kind of character and imagery. >> rose: did you tch a lot of douglas fairbanks knew please? imagery. >> rose: did you tch a lot of douglas fairbanks knew please? >> i watched all douglas fairbanks movies douglas fairbanks knew please? >> i watched all douglas fairbanks movies because like my character he always plays the sa fairbanks movies because like my character he always plays the sa role pite with a mustacheplse sa role pite with a mustache
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and he has no instinct for the future. >> rose: what happens to george valentin when he meets peppy? (speaks french) >> he helps her. >> he helps her. >> rose: he wants to be her friend and mentor, protege >> helps her. >> he helps her. >> rose: he wants to be her friend and mentor, protege? >> i think it's an old-fashioned love story. there's no new sequence, there's no long sequence. it's a very pure love story. something could happen between them but it doesn't because of the circumstances. t we know... the audience knows that they are in love. that they ow. th audience knows that they are in love.
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that they don't have an affair. >> ros here's a scene athe breakfast table wi your wife and your dog right after youe met peppy. roll tape.
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