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katty: welcome to our viewers on public television here in america and also around the globe. tomorrow morning the confederate battle flag, which has flown on the flags of south carolina -- flown among the flags of south carolina for decades, will be taken down. the governor signed the order late today. this happened less than a month after nine african-americans were shot dead at a church in charleston. nick bryant brings us the latest. nick: -- >> thank you, south carolina. it's coming down. it's a beautiful day to be in south carolina. nick: a vote to bring down the confederate battle flag, a move
unthinkable before the massacre in charleston. >> i feel ecstatic. i just got off work. i'm proud to be part of history being made. nick: what some clean to as an emblem of their heritage is viewed as others -- --some cling to as an emblem of their heritage is viewed as othe -- viewed by others as an emblem of hate. >> they brought it up as a symbol of hatred. >> it was all about taxes. nick: these are the images that have changed so many mines. dylann roof -- so many minds. dylann roof brandishing the colors with pride. as lawmakers debated into the early morning hours, the outcome was far from certain and passions were hard to contain. >> i cannot believe that we do not have the heart in this body to do something meaningful.
such as take a symbol of hate off these grounds on friday! nick: but the vote passed, much to the theory -- fury of diehards. >> it's just wrong. god wouldn't allow this. god wouldn't want this flag to come down for nobody. it's not hatred. it's not racism whatever you want to say that word. we're all one. nick: south carolina was where the first shots of the american civil war rang out. it was the first state to leave the union. so, it is tempting to see the lowering of the flag almost as an active final surrender. >> ♪ this land is your land this land is my land ♪ nick: so, today it wasn't the
blues they were singing or the protest anthems of the 1960's, but, is dead, -- but, instead, a song of unity. katty: he joined me a short time ago from south carolina. if we had hold people about a month ago -- had polled people about a month ago, i'm sure we would have had a different result. this has moved very quickly in the state, hasn't it? nick: katty, this is the politically impossible made real. this would have been unthinkable before the charleston massacre. this symbol of southern heritage, as many regard it here, has been so central to the idea of south carolina in history -- of south carolinian history. the republican majority controls the senate and house and would have never countenanced and moved like this.
they came to a compromise in 2000 when they took it off the rotunda and put it here instead. but it is remarkable how attitudes have changed since the charleston killings. i think we've seen more attitudinal change in the last 22 days than in the last 22 years. katty: it's interesting, isn't it? there are a few -- there are few issues that change this fast in the united states. i was wondering if you spoke to some members of the south are linnean -- south carolinians government -- do you think it has been a soul-searching moment for those members? nick: i -- after listening to the debate last night, 13 hours long, you heard many people say they really searched their souls, they looked again at the
history, the sensibilities, the racial sensibilities that have surrounded this flag and they changed their mind. it seems more a case of changed minds, then people -- minds than people having the courage -- governor nikki haley has been under a lot of pressure from the business community for a long time. this has been bad for business in south carolina. they will be welcoming this move. african-americans welcome this move. they regarded as a moment perhaps of atonement, almost. katty: thank you very much. the office in charge of u.s. government personnel has said that it previously disclosed security breach is far worse than initially thought. a staggering 21 million people have had their sensitive information stolen. the initial figure was around four million. for more on the breach, i'm joined by jon sopel. jon: you know when we told you
last month it was 4.5 million we were slightly wrong. it was 21 million. what is gone is those people's secure background checks, their social security numbers, fingerprint details. 21 million present past employees, and their spouses. the finger a month ago was pointed at the chinese, and the chinese said that is irresponsible and counterproductive. we want to know what else went. were there other, for example password that would lead to more secure and sensitive security systems? there was a mea culpa month ago
and now we have a bigger vehicle today -- have a bigger the uncle bob -- bigger mea culpa today. jon: opm has said there is no information at this time to suggest any misuse or for the dissemination of the information that was stolen from opm's systems, not for now. i'm sure there will be more information coming out. it seems to be in a rather negative direction. katty: thanks very much. a quick look at other news. the united nations has announced the truth will come into effect in yemen on friday evening. the country has been caught up in a civil war since houthi rebels overthrew the president in march. saudi arabia has led a coalition in a campaign of airstrikes against houthis but has not abated them so far. -- has not defeated them so far. british tourists have been warned to leave tourists after 30 british people were among 38 people shot dead. the head of the year i has said that the bureau toward a number of -- of the fbi has said that the bureau thwarted a number of
plots for attacks over the fourth of july. he did not give any details for planned attacks or targets. now, can they come up with a deal in time? that's what people are wondering about greece's debt negotiations. the country's financial stability is at stake. the meeting will be held in which creditors need to decide if the proposals go far enough. i spoke with ian bremmer the founder and president of the eurasia group. do you think -- do you think there is anything in these proposals that can satisfy both creditors and the greek public? ian: there are two things that are important here. the first is that the greek government -- their tone and engagement with the europeans has been much more constructive post-referendum than it was before. that's in part because they are working with the opposition now. they got rid of their very were, motorcycle-writing minister of
finance -- of their very recalcitrant motorcycle-riding minister of finance. i would be very surprised if this isn't very close to something that is truly acceptable by the europeans. whether it is acceptable by all of the europeans is an open question. i'm not worried that they will be able to sell it to the greek people. tsipras is now a hero. he will be able to sell just about anything to parliament. katty: the question is whether they can sell it to the germans and the bundestag. ian: this summit is including all of the european -- eurozone's states. katty: all of the countries that have been opposed to the idea of giving much more flak to the greeks. ian: it's a question of will merkel move enough and is europe too messy to get something like this done quickly, because it
has been such a long and bruising campaign. i think that merkel still does not want the failure of one of the eurozone states -- their exit on her watch. that could change the narrative -- tsipras has changed the narrative. they understand the greeks overwhelmingly want to stay in the eurozone. so merkel will be seen as pushing them out. this will be a significant piece of her accountability and blame. if the deal is close, i think you will see a reaction from the germans that is -- says, yes, we are going to restructure. that is, frankly, good enough. whether that is going to be good enough to get to a deal with all the rest of the europeans in harmony by sunday? that is an open question. if you make me back right now, i think -- make me bet right now, i think it is close. katty: you were tweeting that
people talking about a grexit were talking prematurely. you sound like you still think that's the case. ian: i do. one thing i've said to the american audiences and i will say to you is that greece is like the nba. there is really no point in watching until the last five minutes. and we are getting closer to the last five minutes, but we are not there yet. i still think a grexit can be avoided. i think that the greeks are working very assiduously to ensure that is the outcome. katty: let's be hypothetical. let's say it goes pear-shaped on sunday. they don't manage to come to a deal. there is a grexit. what happens to the markets on monday? ian: if there is a grexit and you move towards the drachma the marketing greece take an enormous hit. their economy will probably contract by some 20% over the next few months, in addition to the 25% they've already
contracted. unemployment will spike. they cannot handle the drachma. they are not a productive export-led economy. a grexit is a disaster for them, and they know that. geopolitically longer-term this is a major problem for the rest of europe. i think there is no contagion in the near term, but long-term -- next time a country has a problem, leaving is an option. you're going to change the credit ratings. you're going to change the willingness to lend for italy, spain. this is a chronic, long-term problem, if the germans decide to let them go, and merkel absolutely knows that. katty: thanks very much. you are watching "bbc world news america." iran and major powers remain locked in negotiations over the country's nuclear program. the u.s. says it will not stay at the table forever.
india's highest court has ordered an inquiry into a cheating scam which has been linked to dozens of deaths. under scrutiny are allegations that thousands of students paid gangs to help them cheat to get government jobs and places in medical and engineering colleges. as a result, at the end of this month, 600 units will sit -- re-sit there exams. -- res-sit their exams. reporter: this industrial scale exam scam is a huge story here in india. the supreme court decisions comes after almost 2000 arrests and allegations of the involvement of top politicians and officials. a series of mysterious deaths have even been linked to the racket. the gangs used all sorts of tricks. sometimes, they got example papers -- exam papers and gave
students the answers in advance. sometimes, a struggling student was replaced by -- >> a brilliant student. these things even used fake fingerprints -- these gangs even used fake fingerprints on biometric tests. reporter: this forensic computer specialist help expose the scam -- helped expose the scam. they might put a bright student -- he told me how the gangs accessed the computer board's system to manipulate results and seating, so that students could copy answers. this is just one in a series of cheating scandals. these extraordinary pictures show relatives and friends climbing the walls of an exam center in the indian state of behar and passing students exam answers. 300 people were arrested, 750 people were expelled from school.
katty: we won't be rushed, but we aren't staying forever. that was the message from u.s. secretary of state john kerry today on the talks over iran curbing its nuclear program. after 13 days of discussion in vienna, secretary kerry acknowledged there are still roadblocks to a deal. sec. kerry: despite all of the progress we have made, and it's real some of the tough issues remain unresolved. we know that difficult decisions don't become easier over time. one way or the other, those decisions must be taken very soon. katty: john kerry there. a short time ago, i spoke with the senior fellow of the brookings institution who
testified before congress today on these negotiations. ken, when secretary kerry says "we will not rush and we will not be rushed," they are clearly going to stay in vienna for at least some time, what do you read into this? ken: first of all, i think it is a positive development. the united states had set up its timeline with the -- the p5+1 partners. the united states was fearful of running into the congressional recess. i think this will be helpful in steering talks back to the real question of what does a good deal look like as opposed to what can we get under the wire. katty: you were testifying before congress today. you basically said that you think if the iranians come to an agreement with the p5+1, they will stick to it. ken: i do.
i think that the iranians have some important reasons for going into this. i think that's why they decided to engage in the new -- in the negotiations. the sanctions have hurt them. most of the evidence we have and we have to be careful about this, because none of us can read the ayatollah's mind, we have to -- evidence they are not afraid and they have no immediate need for nuclear deterrence. i suspect they've made the calculus that it is better to get the sanctions lifted and, if we need a nuclear weapon, that may be something we need in 10 15, 20 years, but we don't need it now. get the sanctions lifted. iran may not have shelved those ambitions forever. katty: how will we know that? ken: this is part of the process. we've got to have a deal that gives us enough confidence that, if the iranians change their mind, which would have to be illegal, that we would know about it and know about it in time to do something. katty: the other thing you were talking about the congress was the regional implication of this
nuclear deal. in some ways, you think those are as important to u.s. national security interests as the deal itself. ken: absolutely. we need to recognize the deal is not an end in itself. it has to be part of a wider strategy with dealing with the middle east, including iran's role in it. iran can play a very destabilizing role in a variety of places. it's not the heart of all evil in the region, but it certainly can be destabilizing. the nuclear problem was part of that but even if we can remove the nuclear issue, the rest of the problems in the region remain. and we can't use the deal as i get out of the middle east free card -- as a "get out of the middle east free" card. a lot of countries will react to how the united states in particular reacts to the nuclear deal. katty: thank you so much. a visit to washington last week -- on a visit to washington last
week, brazil's president pledged to reduce the impact of climate change in her country. she promised to invest more in renewable energy and to limit deforestation in brazil's vast rainforest. currently, around 3/4 of brazil's greenhouse gas emissions come from distraction -- destruction of the rain forest. it said it would plant an area the size of england by 2030. eliminating logging in the world's largest tropical rain forest will be an enormous task. deforestation of the amazon is rising again in brazil. we have this special report. reporter: guns drawn over the reinforced. -- the rain forest. the amazon is yet again the frontline. those who see this vast
wilderness as a resource there for the taking. in recent years, brazil significantly reduced deforestation rates. we have seen figures which suggests illegal logging has risen sharply as budgets for environmental protection fall. brazil is more prayer -- more focused on prioritizing rural development. agents take on illegal loggers detaining suspects, destroying camps and equipment. a fight to save the amazon is a fight against organized crime. >> you can compare it to the fight against drug trafficking. the crime and the criminals keep adapting. they are getting even more sophisticated, using even bigger tools, which makes it even more dangerous for us. reporter: satellite imagery helps agents to identify forest areas being illegally destroyed. the pink area was, just days
ago, virgin jungle. the destruction sometimes seems blatant and egregious. it is one of the most destructive forms of deforestation. huge acres and acres of trees are filled in a couple of days or weeks. they tie a huge chain between tractors and the tractors drag the chains across the field felling everything in their path. all that's left is a few tree trunks. new figures show that deforestation rates have almost doubled compared to last year. those statistics show it is from protected indigenous reserves that increasing amounts of wood are being illegally taken. this tribe may have some modern amenities, but they mainly live off and in the forest. the forest and the people, which has been forgotten since
amadeus. the loggers come here for the valuable hardwoods that have already been lost elsewhere. that's why the pressure on our land is so strong. the desire to preserve tradition and identity is also strong, but some argue that by restricting access to their territory brazil's indigenous people sometimes hold back their own progress and that of the country. limited logging is permitted under license but in some areas, it is not as much as 80% of the timber felled is done so illegally, from state owned or indigenous land. this sawmill deals only in 35 -- certified timber. many others are less scrupulous. valuable hardwoods are cut into deking and laminates for -- into decking and laminates for export. they argue by only placing a
monetary value on the forest allowing the explication of the amazon, including indigenous areas, is the only way the rain forest can survive. >> i think people think that the forest is untouchable, but they forget there are people living here. so we must find a formula for them to live from the forest get an income on it, and give -- an income from it, and give it a value. reporter: no country has done more than brazil to decrease previously rampant levels of deforestation. until a workable plan is found that suits all sides, the future of this unique wilderness will remain and result -- remain -- katty: obligated politics and economics of trying to protect the rain forest while giving
people a livelihood -- the complicated politics and economics of trying to protect the rain forest well giving people living there a livelihood. thanks so much for watching. do tune in again tomorrow. >> make sense of international news at bbc.com/news. >> funding of this presentation is made possible by the freeman foundation newman's own foundation giving all profits from newman's own to charity and pursuing the common good, kovler foundation, pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs, and mufg. >> they say the oldest trees bear the sweetest fruit. at mufg, we've believed in nurturing banking relationships
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