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>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm eric shatzker of bloomberg television filling in for charlie rose who's on assignment. we begin with a look at the volkswagen scandal. >> if we're talking ten or 11 million cars around the world and bragging this is a diesel technology trying to vie for supremacy and legitimacy in the age of waning petroleum or up and down petroleum, new wrinkles that weren't here 20 or 30 years ago. >> shatzker: we continue with carol burnett. >> i did different characters every week which i absolutely loved doing. i signed a ten-year contract with cbs as i was leaving the
gary moore show, and there was a caveat in the first five years that some brilliant lawyer or my agent or somebody came up with that said, if within the first five years of the ten-year contract, if i wanted to push that button, they would have to put us on the air one hour, 30 pay or play variety shows. >> we continue with the remember rains of yogi berra. the baseball legend died tuesday. we look back at his appearances on this program. >> we sit around the table all the time and the kids would say, dad, you said another one. i don't even know i say them. >> you don't. i don't know i say them. i can go to parties and people say, let me hear you say one of your funny things. i don't know i say them. it just comes out. you tell me what time is it, i
say now. >> rose: what's your favorite? you come to a fork in the road, take it. you can't hit and think at the same time. >> rose: go ahead. you're doing very well. what are some of the others? >> i'd still be asleep if you didn't wake me. >> rose: nobody goes to that restaurant anymore because it's too crowded. >> it gets dark early out >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: american express. >> rose: additional funding provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide.
captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> shatzker: good evening. i'm eric shatzker of bloomberg television filling in for charlie rose who's on assignment. we begin this program with the ongoing developments at volkswagon. the german carmaker admitted last friday it provided talls admission test results in the united states. shares plunged by 36% in two days. germany's transport minister suggested today gene cars could be affected as well. volkswagen c.e.o. martin vintercorn resigned as a result of the allegations and the scandal isn't ifn close to being over. joining the program from washington jeffrey thinnes, c.e.o. and co-founder of j.t.i. and former daimler executive.
from detroit, jamie butters and lawrence ulrich of time inc.'s auto vertical "the drive." pleased to have them all on the program. gentlemen, welcome. i'm looking at the vw and wondering to myself if it doesn't quickly become the biggest auto scandal of all time? but it's easy to feel that way today, so let's put it into perspective. let's rate the vw scandal on the timeline of continuum of auto scandals over the time. we have a lot to choose from in the last five years. g.m., takata, toyota. lawrence, where would you put it? >> it's hard to get perspective at the moment. it's a hot issue, an important issue. i would put it in the low top ten. we're talking about previous scandals from ford pinto to toyota, general motors,
injuries, fatalities. no one has died here. perhaps a little lung congestion, and that's not a good thing, but, right, this is a -- it's a bad scandal. it's corrupt. it's the unseemliness that's driving it home, for a company to -- you know, a studious company, you picture volkswagon as this intelligent, german company, educated car in other words, it's almost like a frat boy cheating on a test. it's the last thing you would have expected from volkswagon. >> shatzker: jeffrey, lawrence is absolutely right, nobody's died or will die as a result of the scandal, at least not directly because volkswagon cheated on its emissions tests, but we're talking tens of billions of dollars in potential penalties and currently about $11 billion cars at volkswagon only. we have no idea which other
carmakers may ultimately become embroiled. >> well, that's right. we can already see from the movement of stock prices of other automotivemakers that there is some concern. until, you know, internal investigations are conducted and those other automotive manufacturers come to the conclusion they're doing things correctly, that uncertainty will hover over the entire automotive industry. so i would agree that i would rank this somewhere in the middle top ten, if you would, but the fact you have leading engineers from germany with a reputation of quality designing of system and algorithm to circumvent regulations is somewhat unique and i think it's going to be met with a fairly large sledgehammer once the regulators get into this. >> shatzker: jamie, go ahead. i think you're right, it's less violent than an unintended
acceleration incident that causes the car to accelerate without control and get into a crash or, you know, more than 100 people were killed by the g.m. faulty ignition switch that g.m. acknowledges, and others they don't accept. but more than 100 fatalities, violent fatalities, but there was the deliberateness of this and many months of obfuscation, after the resources board started asking them why are your cars running dirtier on the road than in the lab, why are they dirtier when they're warm than cold? it was not until the tenth meeting with a.r.b. they finally ran out of excuses and had to admit they put in this defeat device and cheated on the test and it's that deliberateness and that unwillingness to admit error that is really going to cause trouble.
like jeff said, the regulators won't take this lightly. >> i want to get to that notion, the deliberateness in just one question but, before i do, jeffrey, go ahead. >> yeah, i'd just agree and add to that that we have other examples in the related area, for example, in corruption where companies put up smoke, didn't respond openly and transparently to the initial inquiries and they paid dealer when it came time to issue the fines and other civil and criminal penalties. so, you know, the fact that vw was dragging their feet over the last several months is definitely going to come back to haunt them. >> shatzker: the word i've heard used several times in the past couple of days which rings loudly in my head is conspiracy. jamie got to it with his point about it being deliberate. but unlike the other conspiraciys, say ford with the transmission scandal in the
'80s or g.m. and takata and perhaps toyota, this was a conspiracy to deceive from the beginning whereas in the other cases it was just a coverup, right? >> there is a new climate out there. this isn't the first time people played fast with th the emissios results. cadillac did it and walked away with a slap in the '90s. very detroit solution. when the car would sense it was being tested, they would put a sensor on the hood pin of the car. when the car was being tested, it was an early defeat device and very elegant as well. how will we set this car up? but they walked away with nothing and it hardly even created a blink in the media. but i think there is a new climate out there now and, again, as jeffrey noted, the massive scale of this, if we're talking 10 million, 11 million cars around the world and drag in the fact this is a diesel
that's vying for supremacy, there are new wrinkles that weren't here 20 or 30 years ago. >> shatzker: so what does that mean? jeffrey, erhaps you can answer the question, given your experience, will u.s. regulators and perhaps, more importantly, prosecutors, in this country and in germany we know they're beginning a criminal probe, deal with volkswagon in a different way that we haven't seen before or will they look back on previous cases like general motors or toyota or as you pointed out cadillac and say the punishment needs to fit the crime? >> i think the d.o.j. will take a hard stand here because of the intentional nature of what was done. a large impact will come from how vw reacts literally in the next days. if they continue to put up
smoke, continue to put up denials, then the d.o.j. will become more and more aggressive, so we have to watch and see what happens in the coming days. you know, they're very active now. the german prosecutors are also active. what we don't know is whether or not, with or without this vice, the regulations in europe would have been circumvented. they have a different type of diesel fuel in europe which is cleaner than the fuel used here. the use of diesels in the passenger car industry is much more widespread in europe than here. it is possible they would have met the local quality standards because to have the better fuel. a lot of questions are open. we'll have to see what happens in the coming days. >> shatzker: jamie i know you and fellow colleagues at bloomberg have been working very hard at doing what we do which is adding up the numbers. do we have any idea at this point how much this whole affair is going to cost volkswagon?
>> wow, that's a big number, and i don't know. you know, they lost -- we had an intern actually trying to play with some numbers the other day and there is so much we don't know. talking about $20 billion in lost market cap which, of course, isn't the company's money to spend but it's a useful measure of the might and what resources they can come up with. they've set aside $7 billion, a little more than $7 billion. but who knows if that's going to be enough. there was talk that, well, they could have added the technology for $3,000 to $4,000 per car. 11 million dares, that's $33 billion to $40 billion, a lot of money even for volkswagon which has been extremely profitable and a large, successful company. we're talking about an awful lot of money. g.m. just got their fine for $900 million and smaller than
toyotass, even more deaths involved. but g.m. was seen as being more cooperative. i think that comes into play, where this could really hurt volkswagon with u.s. regulators. another thing to keep in mind is that was n.h.t.s.a., national highway safety traffic administration, and they have some powers but pretty limited. their finability is pretty small. they got the big fines through the justice department. but the clean air act, people have already gone to jail for clean air act violations in a way you don't see for safety violations. so there is much higher likelihood of non-monetary jail time punishments here. >> shatzker: i wonder to myself, lawrence, whether this might, for volkswagon, become like the b.p. disaster in the gulf was for that company, that the numbers involved get so high so quickly and the liability seems so bottomless that the company has no choice but to
start shrinking, selling off assets in order to prepare itself for the storm to come? >> well, volkswagon must be hoping that they can somehow limit the damage to the united states and not have this bleed off and become this giant international issue. if volkswagon has one thing going for them, they don't do much business in the united states in overall terms. they have a 20-year record of floundering here. i speak as a loyal volkswagon guy. i couldn't afford porsches and bostob.m.w.s. volkswagon's never been able to crack the code in the united states since the glory days of the original beetle.
hyundai and kia sell three times as many cars in the united states than volkswagon. it's almost unimagine tobl think that. if there is something they've got, they're a niche brand here and this is a niche product within a niche brand. if they can somehow make this right, make their customers happy and somehow rebuild their loyalty, volkswagon owners are willing to take a lot. and if they feel that they're still driving a good car and a car that's fun to drive. let's not forget, this could be possibly fixed with software. the engineer who busted this scheme seems confident that good engineering could come up with a software fix for this that might only impinge your mileage by a few miles per gallon. that remainder may have to be made up to customers, maybe offer them a year's worth of free gas, something big to get out in front of this. but you're still looking at
vehicles that get 50 miles to the gallon on highways and produce low global warming gallons. a 50-mile per gallon car is a prius car as far as global warming gases. you fix the smog issue, and to an owner, i've spoken to many diesel owners and pollution is way down on the list. they buy the cars to save money on the fuel, they're fun to drive, they have 600 and 700-mile driving ranges on a tank and they have durability. you can't see pollution. you can see what you're paying in your fuel bill every month. as far as priorities for people, if they can be made to pass emissions tests, i think they could rebuild trust with their buyer base. but it's going to be a long road ahead. >> shatzker: what about the alternative. could you see volkswagon pulling a peugeot and saying to heck
with the united states? >> they would have to give up their global ambitions. they have been a target for many years. the idea that's driven volkswagon's strategy for the last several years is to be the world's biggest and most profitable and seems there is no way to do that if they skip the u.s. which is number one in vehicle sales. the vehicles here are more expensive, bigger, have more technology than most to have the cars sold in china. this is where most everybody makes their money. volkswagon is not going to want to pull out of the united states. >> disastrous. let's not forget awedy, lamborghini, bentley, there's associated fallout. i can't imagine them considering that. who knows.
>> shatzker: jeffrey? they have all the other brands, many doing well in the u.s. market. they see the vw brand completing the pallet. despite the disaster, i don't see them pulling out of here. >> shatzker: even if they manage to fix the problem with a software patch and it only costs drivers a couple miles per gallon on the highway, could it leave a more lasting impression on the mind of the auto buyer and maybe even spell the end of diesel? >> i think they need to move quickly. if it can be fixed with a software adjustment, great. but they need to get the issue done and dusted and out of the press as quickly as possible and deal with the disappointed customer base. the longer this is in the press and drags on, the more dangerous it will be to recover the brand equity they've lost. >> i agree. if i'm a crisis manager,
volkswagon needs something dramatic here. this is in some ways a very insular traditional german company with a i thin tinge of arrogance at the time and the relationship with america has been difficult. in a way, they don't speak the language of this market and i hope they're getting good advice in wolfsburg to not be dramatic. we've seen companies in crises that look worse than this and they end up getting good will if they face it honestly and transparently. >> shatzker: jeffrey, our viewers might not know you have been a consultant to multi-nationals and very large german companies on ethics and compliance, the very issues that volkswagon will have to confront and one would hope is confronting right now. >> yes.
this is athis isn't unc'mon. when you see a company getting into hot water of this scale that makes it difficult for employees down the chain to raise concerns, to speak up for fear of retaliation, at the end of the day what you have inside is an absolute need for culture change. that doesn't happen overnight. it's going to take a long time to address that issue inside a vw. actually bringing in miller is a good step to do that and to bring in culture from porsche that's been on the sidelines. the way german companies are structured where you have a supervisory board with ten remembers representing workers and ten members representing management, on the management side you have two p.x. and two forerns, all being from the porsche family, i think they will exert more influence on the strategic direction of the company.
>> shatzker: might we raise another question about miller who looks like he will be the c.e.o. of volkswagon, and that's why promote from within when it seems the whole volkswagon culture is tainted even by a whiff of this scannedle? >> they've got to believe it's only a whiff and the air will blow clean and it will all go away. you know, they have promoted very much from within. they do have -- bmw had a report that did said they had a diesel chart estthed worse on the road and that's been pretty much retracted and the shares have rebounded. but it's who they have and it could be very challenging for them to bring in a transplant
executive. i think jeffrey is saying you have the best of both worlds with mueller but it's coming from an independent unit within volkswagon and one that's been willing to break with tradition. they have added sport utility vehicles then smaller sport utility vehicles. it's been very lucrative for them, so maybe there is something to be learned there. i'm not saying we'll see a vw pickup anytime soon, but they might be willing to do things a little differently while still preserving what's been a very successful company these last several years. >> and if there is one lesson volkswagon needs it's how to sell a popular suv. funny of all things porsche would be one to teach them a lesson. porsche's suvs single-handedly saved and resuscitated that company and volkswagon needs to take it to heart. americans love their crossover suv's and that is the biggest
blind spot in the volkswagon lineup and that's the thing they need to compete here without diesel. >> shatzker: i'm going to wrap up the conversation with this last question -- are we going to look back on this volkswagon emission scandal and say it's the greatest thing that ever happened to tesla? >> it's hard to tell. it's a shame from a technical and enthusiast standpoint, diesel continues to have promise. for as long as petroleum lasts -- look, 50% of new cars are diesel. they care about the environment in europe. they're green in europe. the technology has been proven it can meet modern emission standards, and that is the biggest shame of it is you have a promising technology that very likely is only a bridge technology, but we're certainly not readyo take the world's cars off oil and all drive $100,000 teslas. but this is a black eye for technology that did seem to show a lot of promise, and that kind of lack of trust bodes poorly for the tech, especially here in
the united states. >> jeffrey or jamie. key word, oil. $200 oil is the best thing that can happen to tesla. >> shatzker: you, jeff? the biggest beneficiary is not tesla. it's a bigger demographic they're targeting but probably consumer advocacy groups will turn up the pressure to make sure the regulators are doing everything they can to regulate but not trust. trust but verify. >> shatzker: gentlemen, thank you very much. jeffrey thinnes, jamie butters and lawrence ulrich, thank you very much. we'll be right back. stay with us. > >> rose: carol burnett is here. her comedy inspired generations
of comedians almost 60 years. she received several awards, mark twain prize and the presidential medal of freedom. she'll receive an award from the screen actors guild next year. "the carol burnett show: the lost episodes" is a new d.v.d. box set featuring her work. a new look of classic moments from th "the carol burnett show" >> that absolutely did it! i am leaving this how to and i am not coming back till the end of this football season! (door slams) >> in case you missed it, here's the instant replay! (laughter) (applause) >> that absolutely did it! i am leaving this house and i am not coming back until the end of
this football season! (laughter) (applause) >> i wonder how grandfather is doing. gramps, how are you feeling? >> oh, oh, oh... just as i thought! hello, general hospital, dr. hoffer, please. what? he niece an emergency operation? yes, i'll hold on. hello, dr. hoffer? this is marion, could you come right over? gramps is really sick this same, i think it's serious. oh... just in case, would you pick up my black dress? it's at the cleaners. thank you, bye-bye! (doorbell) >> at last! oh, thank you! >> where's gramps. he's right -- oh!
the first five years, there was some kind of legal stuff going on. so we released the last six years, six through eleven, and then now it's all been cleared up, so here they are. >> rose: you now have them in d.v.d. box? >> right, and these have not been seen since they were first aired, so they have never been syndicated or on youtube or anything. >> rose: why do people love them so much? >> funny is funny. you know, i dare anyone to look at the dentist sketch today that's over 40 years old with harvey and tim and not laugh. you know, what we had were belly laughs, and that's what we aimed for, and it holds up. >> rose: it does. but most of them, there is no political stuff in it, so it's not dated. >> very little. right. exactly. i think, in way, we kind of did that on purpose. not that we ever thought we would go into syndication because variety shows didn't. but i just felt, you know,
that's for the smothers brothers, which did it beautifully, and other shows. but i'm a clown, and i was a clown on the gary moore show. i don't know, i just like the whole idea of a belly laugh. >> rose: how did you come to create the caro "the carol burn? >> i got my draining on the gary moore show as one of his second bananas and doing sketches and characters every week which is what i absolutely loved doing. i had signed a ten-year contract with cbs as i was leaving the gary moore show, and there was a caveat in the first five years that some brilliant lawyer or my agent or somebody came up with that said, if within the first five years of the ten-year
contract, if i -- if i wanted to push that button, they would have to put us on the air one one-hour 30 pay or play variety shows. >> rose: explain that. if they didn't take us up on that contract, they would have to pay us for 30. >> rose: whether on the air or not. >> whether on the air or not. so they took the chance to put us on. they had forgotten because i didn't think i wanted to do it. you know, i can't host a variety show. i never thought that i would. the five years was almost up, there was one week to go, and my husband and i had just put a down payment on a house in california, and i was not quite as in demand as i had been five years earlier. so we looked at each other, we had two children, and we said, you know, maybe we ought to push that button.
so it was the week between christmas and new year's, and i called cbs in new york and got one of the vice presidents on the phone. hi, carol, merry christmas! you know, thank you, i'm calling to push that button. what? what button? what are you talking about? it was right over -- five years. they'd forgotten. i said, you know where i get to do a variety show, 30 variety shows, one-hour? he said, oh, yeah, let me get back to you. i've said this before. i'm sure they got a lot of lawyers out of christmas parties that week, and he called back the next day and he said, yeah, i see that, carol, but, you know, variety is a man's game. it's caesar, milton burl, jackie gleason and now dean martin and
it's not for you gals. and i said -- and then he said, well, we've got this great sitcom we would love you to do called "here's agnes." can you picture that? i said, well, no, i don't want to be the same person week after week. i want to be different characters. i want a rep company like sid caesar had, music, guest stars, costumes and dancing, you know, a true comedy variety musical review. and they had to put us on the air. >> rose: was it a hit from day one? >> it was successful. they put us on a monday night first opposite "i spy" and "big valley" which were major shows. >> rose: nbc. nbc and abc, i think, was "big valley." so we did well and started to
pick up, so forth. so we got renewed for a second season and then a third, and then they got the idea that they would move us to wednesday night to, like, 8:00 or something like that, and i didn't care for that because i always felt we were a 10:00 show. and they put us opposite "adam 12" which was a cop show, and it just wasn't our thing. so we did not do well in that time slot. and then mr. paley moved us to the wonderful saturday night lineup where it was all in the family, mash and mary tile tyler moore. >> rose: why did you pick tim and vicki and harvey? >> i was smart. >> rose: you were smart.
we had seen -- we were putting together a rep company and had seen harvey korman on the danny kay show as danny's second banana. he's like kar carl reiner was it carney. danny's show was going off the air the september that we were going on the air and we kept saying we need a harvey korman. then finally, duh, why don't we get "the" harvey korman? i practically attacked him in the parking lot at cbs one afternoon. i think we called his agent, but i jumped and i said, you've just got to be on our show. >> rose: and he said? yes. >> rose: why comedy for you. were you always funny? >> i don't know. i had a sense of humor but i never really explored it, you
know, in school or anything. in fact, i was pretty much of a nerd and quiet, a good student. i wanted to be a journalist. i wanted to write. so when i got to u.c.l.a., i wanted to major in journalism, but there was no school of journalism. i could take a course and join the daily bruin, but i looked in the catalog and it said theater arts english where i could take play writing courses and still join the daily bruin, the school news. but i didn't realize that, when you majored in theater arts english, as a freshman, you had to take scenery building, acting, lighting, sound, costumes, all of that. so i had to take an acting course, and i was terrified. i got up and i did a scene, and
with a fellow student, and they laughed where they were supposed to. >> rose: so you knew you could make them laugh. >> i went, this is a good feeling. >> rose: yeah. and then some of the kids from -- the seniors even came up to me and said, whoa, you were funny, you know. do you want to have lunch with us? all of a sudden, i was popular. >> rose: there you go. a sketch featuring carol as a prisoner being visited in her cell by a priest played by tim conway. ♪ >> oh, father, i'm so glad you've come. i've needed you. >> there, there, my child. time is growing short, we only have a few more minutes. i'd like to give you some words of comfort. >> thank you, father, but i'm not afraid to -- to --
>> fry in the electric chair? (laughter) >> thank you for those words of comfort. >> father, aren't you sure there is not something you would like to tell me like why you committed this terrible crime? >> no, father. it's my secret and i'll carry it with me to -- to -- >> your grave? (laughter) well, you can tell me, my child. i've heard confessions of all kinds. >> but, father, mine is sick and sordid and depraved. >> well, they're the best kind. (laughter) >> that was a takeoff on madam x. >> rose: oh, yes, i remember that movie. >> we did the whole parody on that. we used to do long form stuff and that particular sketch, several of them -- >> rose: like what?
madam x, double indemnity, the postman always rings twice. they'd run maybe 12 or 13 minutes. today, everything is one minute or two minutes long, you know. it's like are people going to sit and watch anything that length of time? >> rose: are they trying to bring back a variety show? >> i hope so. >> rose: yeah, someone is doing a variety show. neil what's his name. >> patrick harris. well, he's got the talent. >> rose: yeah, he does. it's all going to be in the writing because he's got it. there are several people who could do it, who could do variety. but they couldn't do what we did because of the cost. we had 12 dancers. we had a rep company, we had two guest stars a week. we had a 28-piece orchestra. that can't be done today. >> rose: one last clip. this is you last night on the late show with stephen colbert take a look at this.
a great bit in his new late show. here it is. >> colbert: yeah, so the red head in the third row right there. >> yes, i'd like to know why you're doing this -- (cheering) >> carol burnett! carol! wow! (cheers and applause) holy cow! incredible! that's amazing! that's amazing! thank you! well, carol, thank you for being here. what's your question, carol? >> well, it's just that i wanted to know where you get off doing this bit because it's my bit. (laughter) >> well, i don't understand. stephen, for eleven years, you know, i used to come out and take questions -- i
would take questions with the audience. so, really, it's mine. i own this. (laughter) >> i'm sorry, i'm a big fan. i'm a huge fan. i never miss your show. but, carol, you don't own the idea of answering questions. >> well, that's true, technically, but i have a patent on it. (cheering) quote "responding to audience inquires are on a comedy televised broadcast" unquote. >> okay, you own questions and answers. get up here and show me how it's done. that lady right there. >> would you do your tarzan yell? (cheers and applause) >> well, i would be happy to! (laughter) >> excuse me, but that's my tarzan yell. >> your tarzan yell. uh-huh. i bet that's news to tarzan. are you ready?
(yelling like tarzan) (cheers and applause) >> rose: there's tarzan. there's tarzan. >> rose: you've got the timing. timing's everything, isn't it? >> yes, it is. definitely. but it's also writing. and we had wonderful writers. >> rose: it's great to see you. >> thank you. >> rose: thank you so much. "the carol burnett show: the lost episodes" available for sale through time life web sites. the lost episodes. thank you. >> thanks, charlie. >> rose: good to see you. good to see you. >> rose: back in a moment. stay with us. >> rose: yogi berra, hall of fame baseball player new york legend died tuesday, 90 years
old. competed in 14 world series as a player and on the winning aide ten times. american league mvl three times in 1951, '54 and '55. he was also a winning something, let the yankees to an american league pennant in 1964 and the new york nets to a national league title in 19 1973. he penned a variety of yogi-imples. yogi-isms. when you come to a fork in the road, take it. it ain't over till it's over. he appeared on this show a few times. here's a look. >> we'd sit around the table and the kids would say, dad you said another one. i don't know i say them. i could go to parties and people would say, let me hear you say one of your funny things. i don't know i say them. it just comes out. you know, like, you tell me what time it is and i'll say now. >> rose: yeah, now. nobody goes there, it's too
crowded. >> rose: what's your favorite? well, i guess it ain't over till it's over. you come to a fork in the road, take it. you can't hit and think at the same time. >> rose: g.e.d., you're doing very well. what are some of the others. >> oh, charlie... i'd still be asleep if you didn't wake me. >> rose: nobody goes to that restaurant anymore because -- >> it's too crowded. it gets dark early out here. >> rose: i want to take a look at the highlights. all of us love baseball and high light. included in this is the perfect game. >> yogi berra behind the plate for catching duties. bere will be making the eighth straight for the american league all-star. backstop in 1949. has anyone but bere done the receiving. long ball hitter and because of his ability to drive bad pitches
out of the park he is hard to pitch to. yogi furnishes the kind of power the americans need to get back in the victory column. goes up. strike three. and with that fateful move, opens the door to the hall of fame for larson. up and back. almost slipped. he does. yogi made that one look a little tough but came up with it. he usually does. (cheers and applause) yogi berra helped throw it opinioupwith a booming drive ine right field stand. yogi chosen most valuable player three times and power like this is one of the reasons why. >> yoke owing gives yankees hope with slashing double to the right center. ties on second.
(cheers and applause) (arguing) >> come straight up! where did he touch you? where did he touch you? where did he touch you? >> right here on the (bleep)! (laughter) >> rose: did you like managing? >> yeah, i enjoyed it. i really did. i liked to manager and i liked coaching, too. i thought it was a lot of fun coaching, too. >> rose: ted williams once said the hardest thing in sports to do is to hit a baseball. >> it is. he says. i don't know, i couldn't stand up, hold my bat.
i had to swing my bad. i timed the pitchers when i swung. >> rose: you timed the pitchers? >> yeah, when his arm goes up, i just follow him. >> rose: how much of hitting the baseball is in the wrist? >> i think it should be all wrist. >> rose: because if it comes fast enough. >> the harder he throws, you see a lot of guys striking out, they use light bats. we never used light bats. i had 31-ounces, 34 inches. >> rose: what's your greatest moment in baseball? >> i liked being a yankee. i think it was great being a yankee. i was very important to play 17 years, 14 world series,n 10 of them. so it's got to be. the hall of fame. >> rose: was don larson perfect game that was most --
>> well, back then, i think the most precious is being a member of the hall of fame and voted most valuable player three times. >> rose: who did you take with you when you went to the hall of fame? >> lefty gomez, sammy koufax -- >> rose: koufax hard to hit in. i didn't get to bat against him when he had control. i batted against him when he didn't have control (laughter) >> rose: it was just bad. bad. ooh, boy. because when i coached with the mets, the guys said, you're lucky you didn't have to bat against him. >> rose: your best game? my best game? >> rose: as a player. boy... i don't know, i had quite a few of them. >> rose: but catching had to be don larson, didn't it? >> oh, at that point, yes. oh, catching the best game, yeah. >> rose: by far? yeah, a perfect game at that.
who's going to do it is that? >> rose: what were you thinking through that game as you got to the seventh and eighth inning? >> a lot of people asked what about the last stop? i said i'm glad it's over. >> rose: but you ran out and he jumped in your arms. here you are, how tall are you -- >> 5'7 and a half." >> rose: the sheer joy of having a perfect game in a world series. amazing. could you sense he had something special early in the game? >> no, just move up to seventh inning and then you think a little bit. because if you guys went to the seventh inning, pow, somebody has to hit. >> rose: if you were coming up today playing the same way you did, would you make it, do you think? would you have the same success? >> yeah, i think i would. >> rose: all right!
i think so, too. >> i think i would. i could take a chance. >> rose: you could swing it with these guys? >> oh, yeah, i take a chance. when billy martin became manager in '76, he hired yogi as a bench coach. our coaching staff was martin, yogi, elson howard, dick hauser, gene mike also. they assemble a great coach. in the locker room at the new yankee stadium, he lockerred one locker over from me so i was sitting next to him almost every day. things started slowly for me at the beginning of my career. i was supposed to be a reliever, got stuck in the st questions and you start learning
and, you know, i tell the story all the time, the season i had in 1978, you know, it was by far the greatest i ever had. i was about 12 and 0 at one time and i turned over to him one afternoon and said, hey, i got a question for you. he turned around and looked at me and said, you're 12 and 0, what more can i say? it's his way of telling me, okay, enough is enough. >> rose: that's like saying if it ain't broke, don't fix it. >> that's more or less where it's always started and, you know, years have passed, but, you know, we remain friends all the time. >> rose: tell me about the firing by george steinbrenner. he fired you but he didn't fire you personally? >> no. i wouldn't mind if he would have told me himself.
usually when you get fired he tells you you're fired. >> rose: early in the season. yeah, six, seven games. >> rose: and he fires you and doesn't tell you himself? >> no, he won't tell me. so i we want back on the bus with the team. i said, i'll get a job some other place. >> rose: did you say to yourself and other people, i will never set foot in yankee stadium again? >> oh, yeah, i said that. took me 14 years before i went back. >> rose: and you didn't go back until? >> he called me. he came to the museum and apologized and everything. then the kids were saying, everybody wants to see you at the yankee stadium. they're the ones who made me go back, to tell you the truth. >> rose: your kids? yeah. we went back and we became good
friends. >> rose: you and george? george. >> rose: and roll tape. this is an interview i did for "60 minutes" with george steinbrenner. here it is. there might never have been a reconciliation with yogi berra if it weren't for yankee icon joe dimaggio. >> i became close to joe in his final years and more than once he mentioned to me, you've got to get him back, you've got to get him back. he should be here. he was yankee. from start to finish, he is yankee. >> rose: two months before dimaggio died, steinbrenner finally told yogi he was sorry. >> i was my mistake and i apologized to him. >> it was great the way he did it. had a little tear. >> rose: a little tear? yeah. >> rose: because he was sorry. yeah. he said, i did the wrong thing, i know it, i made a mistake, and all that. >> rose: this spring, steinbrenner invited yogi back
to the stadium to throw out the opening pitch on opening day. it's stuff like this that makes people say the toughest boss in baseball mellowed. >> yeah, he mellowed. (laughter) >> rose: but this is a great story because when it got you back with the yankees and it's created this -- it gave life to this friendship that is so rich and everything. >> john mcmullin of the houston astros, he asked me to come down to houston. i said, john, we're friends, aren't we? let's stay that way. (laughter) then that's when i went to the mets. george wgeorge was there. >> rose: you admire casey don't you. >> yes.
one story i forgot to tell you, whitey ford was pitching. threw four pitches. four guys got on base, one run scored and nobody out. casey came up to me and said, does he have anything? i said, i don't know, i haven't caught one yet. (laughter) but it was a lot of fun. >> rose: is the don larson game your greatest? >> it has to be. you know, the greatest. pitched a no-hitter in the world series. never been done. still hasn't. >> rose: and how many pitches did he shake off? >> none. (laughter) everything i put down, he got it over. it's amaze newing when did you think -- >> rose: when did you think it could be happening? a sixth or seventh inning? >> a seventh inning. nobody went to him.
he got away from him. he called me and said, what, have i got the plague or something? but he went out there -- >> rose: yogi berra, dead at age 90. >> rose: for more about this program and earlier episodes, visit u online at pbs.org and charlierose.com. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org
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