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>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, tensions rise in syria and region. divided house republicans postpone elections of a new speaker, and the complex genius nddsfeve jobs comes to film. millions in value, and i'm the c.e.o. of apple, steve. that's my resume. >> before that, you sold carbonated sugar water, right? i sat in a garage with wozniak and invented the future because artists lead and hacks ask for a show of hands. >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen.
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captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> personality. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something else? >> endless invention. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> his legacy appears to be still growing. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. this was the week russian military moves raised the stakes in syria. the race to elect a new speaker of the house was derailed, and boast the houston astros and the chicago cubs took the wild card spots in baseball's postseason play-offs. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven caiz days. tensions rise in syria. >> the human rights monitoring group says russia launched another wave of airstrikes against starings in syria. >> they continue to hit targets that are not isil. >> rose: the pentagon admits targeting a hospital in
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afghanistan. >> president obama has personally apologized for the deadly u.s. airstrike. >> searchers have found possible debris in the bermuda triangle. >> rose: the carolina low country floods. >> some 1300 national guard troops called in to help 250 state troopers. >> rose: the secretary of education drops out. >> i'll be honest, i pushed arnesphoz stay. >> they recall cheerios because wheat containing cheerios were sold as gluten free. >> for the first time in 12 years, the chicago cubs have a postseason victory. >> how does it feel? >> it hurt. it hurts go. ♪ who let the dogs out >> a dog in california stood up to bears who climbed a gate and entered her yard. >> she turned into a wolverine. ♪ wipe out >> an australian man trying to get away from police decides to drive into the ocean. two officers waded into the surf
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to arrest him. ♪ ♪ >> rose: we begin with the growing conflict in syria. this week alone russian warplanes have challenged coalition aircraft and violated turkish airstrike. russians' long-range missiles have hit targets inside syria. several reportedly crashed in iran. and russian air cover has allowed syrian troops to launch new offenses. meanwhile, the pentagon announced it will no longer train new rebel forces and instead fund existing ones. what is happening in syria? philip gordon is with the council on foreign relations. until march of this year, he served on the national security council as special assistant for the middle east. >> what has become clear in the past several weeks is that the stated objective of u.s. policy and western policy and our allies in the gulf, which is to bring about a political transition by supporting the opposition, is not working, and unlikely to work. >> rose: has failed.
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>> and by that i mean-- has failed, sure. i think we have to say that. we had a program to train and equip the opposition to make it strong enough to either get rid of the regime or pressure the regime to make meaningful changes. we hoped and expected that the russians and the iranians, who were mainly backing the regime, would ultimately see the light and realize they had to come to the table and negotiate seriously. >> rose: is there-- and this is from josh earnest the president's secretary: >> charlie, there is a proxy war already, and there has been for years. and that's the problem. for years, the, you know, sunni states of the region and turkey and we and the europeans have been on one side providing support to certain elements in syria who are at war with a
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regime that's backed by russia and iran and hezbollah. and that proxy war has escalated. >> rose: meanwhile, in washington this week, the divided house republicans were supposed to select a candidate for speaker of the house. it did not go as planned. congressman kevin mccarthy, the majority leader and front-runner, suddenly dropped out of the race moments before the vote. congressman paul ryan on house ways and means committee chairman is under some pressure to submit his name, but so far, he has not done that. here with more on the week in politics john dickerson, the political director of the cbs news, and the anchor of "face the nation." >> i was talking to a member who was putting together votes for mccarthy and he said the trouble will be in this preliminary vote is he'll get the majority of his republicans, but the worry is when the formal vote happens on the house floor in october, later, at the end of
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october, he's not sure he can get 218 republican votes. why? because of those conservatives. they call them the "hell no" caucus. they're also called the freedom caucus members, 30 to 40 who want certain promises from mccarthy how he will behave as speaker. ultimately, mccarthy decided he couldn't promise he could deliver for those very conservative members in the house. >> rose: and in fact wasn't that part of why john boehner stepped down? >> exactly. and john boehner is going to stay as speaker until they find a new one. john boehner's retirement party may be pushed well spot future. the fundamental question is request kthis group of conservatives go along enough to find a new speak they're they like? and there is no one-- kevin mccarthy was the person in the wings. paul ryan is mentioned. his press release saying, "i have no interest of this job" -- >> i want to be chairman of the ways and means committee.
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>> the speed was so fast in terms of his statement after mccarthy announcing he wasn't running. ryan saying i am not running either. >> rose: right now, john eaker of the house and the publicans ar at some point will try to elect a new speaker. >> a couple of thoughts are being kicked around but i tiewkd a couple of members who don't think they're reliable possibles. one is find some retiring members and make them the speaker, taking them through the elections. >> rose: the question that interests me is the republican party. are they shooting themselves? are they redefining themselveses so that they're out of the mainstream? >> you're exactly right. boehner said there were false prophets in party who-- and this is an incredible charge because it's a charge of deep cynicism. which is to say these 30 to 40 super conservative member you can't just kind of take over the
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whole legislative system. but they whip up the grass roots and the grass roots gets angry and the grass roots punishes these members because they have unrealistic expectations and these ultraconservatives are fanning those unrealistic expectations. but be that as it may, that's where we are. i mean, that's where the state of play is. >> rose: what's the betting today about joe biden? >> i'll tell you what, i get on the phone with people who have some-- who have talked to him, have relationships, and they say i think he's going to do it. and then you talk to somebody else who is about at the same sort of source level, and they say, "no, i don't think he's going to do it." it's the most frustrating thing. he's keeping it close to the vest. there is certainly a lot of activity about whether he would get in the race and i think we're just-- it's basically we have to wait for joe biden to make up his decision. >> rose: the question i have, if he goes in with full enthusiasm and gets lots of money, are the democrats and is hillary clinton in such a position that he could achieve it? is there a pathway for him to get the nomination when you look at the head start she has?
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the question is has she done things that so damaged her that it gets more and more likely that it would be successful? >> i think if there's a path, it's going to be a pretty ugly path. it would be a fight. it would be a real fight. and people may very well say, "you got into the race because you weren't hillary clinton, but what is it your actual campaign mean?" and then it becomes just a garden-variety campaign. >> rose: yeah. >> rose: republican presidential candidate dr. ben carson was on the hot seat this week for his suggestion that students in a mass shooting situation should rush the gunman. in a later conversation about gun control he said, "i think the likelihood of hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed." those were just the latest in a string of controversial comments. now meet the man behind them. >> the election next year is going to be a bellwether because
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it's going to be an opportunity for america to make a very clear choice-- do you want to go the secular, progressive route with big government and big-government programs and the government taking care of you from cradle to grave until they run out of money? or are you interested in a country where the people are at the pinnacle. >> rose: you think that in america today, that most people here live by a system of believing the government will take care of you from cradle to grave? is that the philosophy and the-- >> no one will admit it, but look at what's going on. they will never admit it. the liberals won't admit this. >> rose: if in fact you argue a different point of view, as the president would with you, how would you characterize-- would you consider him as one who thinks the government simply knows best or would you consider him one hois looking for a way to make health care more accessible? >> i definitely think he's a
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"government knows best" individual. but i would be incredibly happy to discuss it with him and discuss my alternative plan versus his. and let the people decide. rather than imposing something on people and saying you've got to do this. >> rose: i'm asking, did anybody impose it, or did the congress vote on it? >> it was imposed. >> rose: how was it imposed when the congress voted on it? that's why we have a legislature. >> did you notice that -- >> and the supreme court has not overturned it, as you well know. >> did you notice, there was not a single republican vote for it. >> rose: i did notice that. >> do you believe in polls. most of the polls is have indicated consistently that the majority of people opposed the so-called affordable care act. >> rose: do you believe in the separation of powers? do you believe in the american system of legislative and congressional-- >> i do. >> rose: and the supreme court. and the court and the chances that it's had, has said yes,
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obamacare, or the affordable care act, was constitutional. >> i say it was a 5-4 vote, and i would say that the court is not infallible. and this proves it. because the court is not supposed to make law. >> rose: i'm not sure-- >> and they certainly are not supposed to take a law and change it around so that they can say -- >> the institution that you love-- the constitution you love and believe gave the court that-- >> it was unconstitutional what they did. >> rose: but it was-- >> there's no but is there there is a but. the but is you think it was unconstitutional. but a majority of the members did not think it was unconstitutional. >> the constitution says it's unconstitutional. >> rose: but who do we have to interpret the constitution? >> you don't have to interpret-- it's just like with the last bout. the words were very clear and the court came along and said,"that's not what those word mean. i know it looks obvious it said that, but that's not what they
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mean." come on, give me a break. >> rose: pablo picasso made his morfiddable representation primarily as a painter but he was also a prolific sculptor. now for the first time in nearly 50 years, new york's museum of modern art is mounting a major exhibition of those pieces. "picasso sculpture" features more than 100 objects and spans 1902 and 1954. >> sculpture is less known and less thought about than painting because it's harder to make scene. it takes up more space. it's more trouble to transport, more trouble to arrange in a gallery. so, therefore, across the board sculpture is less well known, but particularly so with picasso.
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>> rose: how good was picasso as a sculptor? >> as good as he was at everything else. i think. i mean, i think that's one of the revelations of the show. >> rose: that's exactly what someone said to me. "i had no idea he was as good a sculptor as he was a painter." >> that's the fun part. yeah. >> rose: the discovery? >> yeah, yup. and with picasso, discovery isn't necessarily what people expect now. because they think they know it all. so i think that's been the joy of the response. >> rose: did he sculpt until the end of his life? >> no, the last decade he didn't, except for the fact, during that last decade, mid--late 60s, early 70s, a lot of his very last work, sheet metal sculptures, from 60-61, were converted into public monuments. although he was sitting at home he watched as in chicago, in new york, in jerusalem, rotterdam
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there were 20, 30-foot sculptures arising from his design. >> rose: how would you describe it? >> i would say endless invention. endless, unstoppable. there is no idea or thing worth not doing something to or rethinking about or remaking. >> rose: some people told me he would skews himself from dinner parties to go paint. >> the one exception to that, however, with sculpture in particular, is carving marble. >> rose: yes. >> so you think about the traditional image of a sculpture like michelangelo or like brancuzi, patiently, patiently working away at carving stone. that picasso had no patience for, no interest, too slow. >> rose: how did he work? >> much more improvisationally, spontaneously, quirk, quick. he didn't date his sculptors,
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bit you know from his paintsings and drawings he wouldn't date them with a year. he would put the day he made the thing and the same with sculpture. >> rose: it is said his sculpture is characterized by the sheer pleasure of invention and experimentation. >> i think that comes through in the show. you just go from gallery to gallery, and each time, sort of often a new set of materials, a new set of subject matter, a new way of making. and it's just hard to believe in some cases that it all comes from one ayerst. there's that much range. >> rose: this weekend markthe 40th anniversary of the launch of "saturday night live." it was then a new comedy series. over the years, the show has
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grown to become a staple of late-night television, and many of the cast and guests have talked to me about what it has meant to them. >> i look at it, and it was a great-- it's like, you know, catching a touchdown pass or something like that. you had a great moment. you made people laugh at that time, and, you know, you're not going to-- you know, you've got a different game plan but it's fun to watch. >> rose: you had a moment and you happened to be there when it was happening and enjoyed the ride and-- >> it was a great job and it was fun and people like it. people loved it. and it's fun. i like the show that's on now, the current cast i think is very good. i'm actually going to do it in a couple of weeks. but it's fun-- you know, you still get a kick out of people saying, "it's never going to be as good as it was. that was great. they're okay now, but it will never be as good as it was." >> it's this piece of television history going on and on and on, and it's amazing, too, to be a part of a show that everyone feels like they own a part of. people will walk up to you-- you
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know, the comments range from, "it's not as funny as it used to be." so, "you know who is good, belushi." okay, noted. >> rose: you now have done it what six or seven times? >> six. >> rose: six times. >> rose: you love doing it? >> i do. it takes me back to my show days. there's something -- >> when you were doing television in new york. >> or theater, musical comedy. it is essentially a broadway review show of a very old-fashioned kind with scits and songs and dancing and girls and it's a very old-fashioned kind of american theater which happens once a week. they do a broadway show once a week. it's live. it's an amazing thing how it gets done. it's very hectic right up until the moment you get there and then they say, you know, chris walken" and the door opens and
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you come out and it really takes mow back. and i love it. >> you have to be an optimist at the beginning of the week and a pessimist by the end. you have to believe all your stuff will get on on monday and by is the telling your parents to go to bed. don't bother staying up. >> rose: i thought it was good but they didn't. >> america voted no. >> rose: and what happens in that process, though? does lorne just say-- does he tell you, "i'm sorry, it's not going to be there?" or does he have a messenger that does that. ( knocking ) a piece of paper-- >> gladarty style, you're given the thumbs-up or thumbs-down and you're whisked away to the lions. >> me and jason sedaikis and we all started together and you kind of feel like that's your class a little bit. you have your first experiences together. you go through the third year together, ups and downs, everything-- >> you watch what happens what happens, what you're anything
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through measuring with what happens to them and you get excited for them and, you know, you feel for them. yeah, in my house, the only picture-- no offense to anybody else-- the only picture i have framed is i think it's your last show. the four of us sitting it's stage together. the only picture is me, jason, andy and kristin sitting there smiling and it was you and andy's last show. kind of like, "we did it! we lasted!" how cool is that? >> rose: steve jobs of apple was one of the most influential businessmen in modern memory. who was also a demanding one. the film "steve jobs" begins its run in theaters this weekend. it was written by aaron sorkin and directed by danny boyle. >> i thought, well, what if, instead of that traditional bio-pic format, this-- the
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entire movie was just three scenes that all took place in real time-- real time 40 minutes in the audience, the same as 40 minutes for a character on the screen-- all taking place in the moments leading up to a product launch. and frankly i didn't think it was something that the studio would let me do. but they were very enthusiastic about it. there were a number of things that interested me. but the-- perhaps-- well, one of the things was steve's relationship with his daughter. >> rose: in his case, it tok a toll on him, that his need for what they call in the business "end-to-end control of a product" meaning it's not compatible with anything else. >> rose: what was the biggest challenge for you? was it what you said, figuring out how to visualize a remarkable look inside steve jobs' mind? >> i guess it was -- >> and heart. >> i mean, what aaron has done
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is in many ways very formal. it's the same six characters repeating a similar kind of meeting, 40 minutes before a launch. so where his film is lirn usually, it loves momentum and forward motion. and i suppose that was the biggest challenge is to somehow harness this wonderful repetitive nature of what you were experiencing, and yet make it feel like it was thrusting forward as well. and we did that by really separating and making as distinctive as possible the three spaces, the way they were shot, and making it feel like you were-- there were depth charges being laid throughout, which would eventually resonate and give you something to progress to. and that's what i think you were hinting at about seeing steve versus steve, because in the final parts, when he-- when he's-- within our terms, anyway-- has achieved everything he set out to be it's i-mac is going to be a success, the product is perfect, the computer
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is going to make computers desirable and purposeful, and that's his great crisis in his way, and his relationship with his daughter lisa in our film. >> rose: this coming tuesday on pbs, frontline presents the final hour of "my brother's bomber." the filmmaker's older brother was killed in the bombing of pan am 103. when the only person convicted in the bombing was released from prison early, he began a multi-year investigation that took him to war-torn libya in search of the others involved. here is a preview. >> there was an intelligence assessment at the time that he was a technical expert. and we just could never identify him. the guy just was sort of a ghost. nobody would acknowledge him. even after the scotts went to
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libya in 1999 and they asked about massoud, they said they never heard of him. >> but if you could figure out who he was, he was probably important. >> yeah, absolutely. he was somebody that maybe had something to do with arming the bomb. >> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the chicago marathon. monday is columbus day. tuesday is the first democratic presidential debate. wednesday is the day the short list for the national book awards are announced. thursday is the opening day of the chicago international film festival. fridays is the day major league baseball's championship play-off series begins. saturday is rapper eminem's 43rd birthday. and here is what's new for your
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weekend. hugh jackman, and runah mara are in theaters with pen. >> if blackbeard is going to destroy everything, i will stand against him. >> kneel. >> i will never bow to you. >> rose: edward sharp and the magnetic zeros have a new live album out "in no particular order." and the sixth season of "the walking dead" begins on amc sunday. >> making it now. >> you really think you can do that? >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we will see you next time.
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