tv Charlie Rose The Week PBS November 13, 2015 11:30pm-12:01am PST
captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. st ahead, the new offensivee: against isis in iraq. virtual reality comes to main stream media. and bryan cranston relives the hollywood black list in "trumbo." >> congress has no right to investigate what we think or how we make movies. i'll write you a movie. >> and you don't want your name on it. >> no, you don't want my name on it. >> perpetually. >> rose: we'll have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen.
>> rose: and so you began how. >> being truthful. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something else? >> we were kind of the little engine that could. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> fight for injustice. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. this was week of kurds launched a new offensive against isis. the republican candidates met for their fourth prime time debate. and myanmar held its first election in 25 years. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. the kurds battle isis for sinjar. >> kurdish forces entered the iraqi city of sinjar from all corrections with the help of coalition airstrikes. >> egypt looking into whether a baggage scanning machine was broken the day a russian airbus crashed. >> all indicators are pointing to the fact that this was isis. >> the lebanese news agencies
reports two suicide bombers through bleu themselves up within a few hundred feet of each other. within hours, isis claimed responsibility. >> rose: cat loania approves a plan to leave spain. >> we will manage these best way we can. >> a parking lot collapse collan mississippi, taking 12 cars with it. investigators are trying to determine what caused the ground to collapse. >> rose: the university of missouri's president resigns. >> university of missouri football players announce they had wouldn't play until tim wolfe quits his job. >> russia's olympic program accused of doping. >> we have found cover-ups. it's worse than we thought. >> know him very well because we were both on "60 minutes." >> trump and putin did appear on the same episode of "60 minutes." in unrelated segmentments in different countries on different continents. >> i'm not sure why trump called the two of them stable mates. it's either a metaphor for their powerful friendship or donald trump doesn't know which one of
these sthingz vladimir putin. ♪ i know i'd go from rags to riches ♪ >> mob boss vincent asaro acquitted of plotting the louvres thanna heist at j.f.k. >> the key to winning the case is our client is innocent of the charges. ♪ there goes my hero >> president obama awarded florence groberg the medal of honor. >> this medal, i'd turn it back in right now and they, "no thank you, bring my guys back." >> draftkings and fandual have been declared illegal gambling sites by the new york attorney general. ♪ you never count your money when you're sitting at the table ♪ >> rose: we begin this week with the fight against isis. a drone strike in syria thursday has reportedly killed the isis executioner known as jihadi john. and in northern iraq, kurdish
peshmerga supported by coalition airstrikes are moving to clear isis fighters inside the strategic town of sinjar. they have also seized part of the highway that links the isis strongholds of mosul and raqqa. cbs news correspondent charlie d'agata has been embedded with the kurds since the attacks on sinjar began on thursday. >> reporter: some of what you see there is smoke rising from the latest in a series of airstrikes targeting isis militants inside and around the city of sinjar. we've lost count of the number of airstrikes this morning, and overnight that have been launched in that i have sibt sint. they've also been firing artillery from mount sinjar into the city, and this is all part of a major offensive to retake sinjar. we understand 7,500 kurdish peshmerga forces are closing in on three sides of the city trying to push isis out. and one of the reasons it sits between the two isis strongholds
of raqqa in syria and mosul in iraq. so they're trying to cut off supply routes between those two cities, but it's not going to be easy. kurdish peshmerga forces that we spoke to said they fear snipers. now, the city may be rife with bobbs traps, homemade bombs beneath the roads and inside buildings and there is always the concern of suicide bombers if not on foot than traveling in vehicles passed with explosives. we are now inside sinjar. you can hear the gunfire rattling as gun battles are taking place east and west of the city. we're on the north side and we had to walk down this road in order to get here. as you see, it's just piled with debris and cables running all over it, and that's one of the big threats, not stepping on a pressure plate or trip wire that might set off a homemade bomb either inside the streets or inside the buildings around. and as the peshmerga start clearing these roads, that's the biggest concern they have here,
the gunfire setting off a bomb. we watched this morning as just a hand full started winding into the village, then followed by dozens more and then hundreds. they're clearing out the city house by house, street by street, going after any isis militants that may remain here. >> rose: with me now is dexter filkins of the "new yorker" magazine. he has reported extensively from the expreegz i am pleased to have him back at this table. welcome. >> thank you. >> rose: so what do they want to do? what is the goal? and will they achieve it? >> that's a good question. i think where we're going to see the limits of this thing is the big prize, which is mosul. that's the second largest city in iraq. that's an arab city, and isis is in that city. >> rose: peshmerga are not arabs. >> the peshmerga are kurdish. so i think, you know, the kurds i think, you know, they want-- they regard the yazitis as
cook,-- they're very reluctant to go into arab areas. they're like what are we going to do? they're going to be welcoming us in arab neighborhoods in mosul. >> rose: there has been a lot of support from american airstrikes. >> yes, yes. >> rose: more so than coalition. >> everybody is dropping out. >> rose: it's really america from the air and the kurds on the ground. >> that's it. yeah. >> rose: are you sure-- i mean, are you reasonably sure from all the contactsun they would not want to take mosul because they see all the dangers you're pointing out, an arab place? >> that's certainly my impression. they think-- look, the americans would love it if they would but, you know, western. >> rose: the iraqis would love it if they would. >> yeah, look, maybe-- maybe they'll be persuaded to do it, but, you know, if you look back to last year when isis swept in to mosul and west iraq, it was-- you know, the iraqi army, tens
of thousands of iraqi soldiers were garrisoned in mosul and, you know, when isis just walked in. i mean, the iraqi army dissent dpraited. so that's the problem. >> rose: has there been any change in that? everybody talks about, there's a political question, obviously it was at its worst when the previous iraqi government was in power, the maliki government. now you have a new prime minister who talks a different story. >> he does. >> rose: but this is a political issue, and everybody says they somehow have to rally the sunnis to be willing to fight against isis in order to have a chance. >> yes. i think so two things. they have to really the sunnis. that hasn't happened yet. >> rose: why not? because they're still not convinced that the-- >> they're not convinced that they're going to win or that they're going to be inclusive. so if you take, for instance, i mean, look, isis is holding their ground. despite all these airstrikes and all the operations that they've done, you know they still have ramadi. that's the capital of anbar
province. they still have fallujah. the whole area along the euphrates river is in the hands of isis. up the tigris haif noseul. they're doing pretty well. and conversely, the iraqi army is not. so i think what the iraqi government has essentially dom are lie on is not the iraqi army. it's shiite militias. and iranian-trained, iranian backed, the whole thing. it's a mess. >> rose: we turn now to politics and the 2016 campaign. donald trump launched a stunning attack at an iowa campaign rally, taking shots at the voters, the administration, and his republican opponents. some of his most controversial comments were directed at ben carson. major garrett of cbs news filed this report for "cbs this morning." >> reporter: one of the questions that has long
surrounded donal donald trump's surprising resiliency as the republican front-runner-- could his temper and ego withstand long-running political competition. last night, just north of here in fort dodge, trump delivered an answer laced with profanity and insults that may mark a turningpoint. >> kasich-- oh, i had a headache from this guy. i'm telling carly-- whatever the hell her name is-- fiorina-- will you stop cutting in. >> reporter: >> rubio, ready? weak on illegal immigration. like, weak like a baby. >> reporter: trump saved the lowest blows for ben carson, referencing the retired neurosurgeon's description of himself as a pathologically angry youth. >> he said he has pathological disease. now, if you're pathological, there's no cure for that, folks. if you're a child molester, a sick puppy, you're a child molester, there's no cure for that. there's only one cure-- we don't want to talk about that cure.
that's theltimate cure. no there are two. there is death and the other thing. >> reporter: for carson, the story of anger is part of his journey into redemption. >> he plunged it into the belt, and amazingly the belt stayed totally flat and the knife broke. how stupid are the people of iowa? how stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap. >> reporter:and there was this reference to isis. >> i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. i would bomb the ( bleep ) out of them. ( cheers and applause ) >> reporter: trump went on for more than an hour, with with little regard for the fallout. >> and i don't care, i may leave here and you may say, "that's not night noois what he said." who cares. then i go back to my life. >> rose: iowa is also the scene of saturday's democrtic presidential debate at drake university. cbs news political director john
dickerson and correspondent nancy cordes will be moderating the debate. what do you think the imperatives area, first, for bernie sanders, second, for hillary clinton in this debate? >> well, the first imperative is that they answer all questions directly and honestly. the big political imperative for sand sers to show why there's a distinction with hillary clinton. she's away ahead in the polls. he has to explain in a debate which is about differentiating positions. they can talk to the voters straight ahead normally but here they're on the same stage. to make that choice clear for hillary clinton it's to cement and lock in her lead. >> rose: john, obviously the talk is of the democratic debate. but we have all seen this tirade by trump last night. is there much talk on the ground in iowa about that and its implications? >> well, i mean, he achieved sort of orbital escape velocity in that tirade, given-- the
chatter is meeftly just kind of, "can you believe what he said?" , of course, that's been what they've been saying about him for so long. i think for his supporters it will be the same thing they love about donald trump. i think once again we come back to the ceiling for support. if you were unsure about donald trump and you're a kind of middle-of-the-road republican voter, that probably would have been a little extreme for you. >> rose: the digital era has interrupted the business of journalanism profound ways, forcing old media to look for new audiences. some are adapting faster than others. the "new york times" reached a milestone of more than one million digital subscribesser. in collaboration with google it is experimenting in a new form of story telling.
dean baquet's latest project is a virtual reality film telling the story of children displaced by war. >> it's a dramatic virginia form of story telling that makes you feel faz you're in the middle of the field. in the case of these three migrant children, it makes you feel like you're walking among them, like you could actually reach out and touch them. it puts you there. it's a powerful piece of journalism and a grate great new storytelling device. >> rose: how will you tiewz? >> you know, you can use it all kind of ways. we have used it before, though not as widely, just showing people as immigrants walk through new york. you could do it for light stuff. in this case we wanted to do it for what i think is one of the most powerful stories in the world which is the way war has displaced children in particular, all around the world. it is told through the eyes of the children and you see the world through their eyes. as beautifully as a story could be written, i don't think you could tell it quite the way -- >> this adds to the experience of storytelling. >> it does.
>> rose: this is extraordinary. it's so powerful. now watch as they rush it to pick up the bags. >> rose: oh, there. it's like i'm in the center of everything and i can just turn and see everything. >> exactly. >> rose: you parachuted me down and there are the bags. >> and there are these kids, all of them-- there's one bag so heavy that -- >> wow, look at them coming. >> this kid needs help. >> it's heartbreaking. >> rose: and these are bags of humanitarian aid? >> yes, food. >> rose: google is your partner this this? >> yes. >> rose: what do they provide? >> the glasses. and the remarkable thing-- and if you think about it-- i mean 10 years from now, everybody is going to look at when virtual reality is sort of a part of life, or sooner than that. everybody is going to think of this remarkable moment when a bunch of people put a cardboard box in a bag and deliver it to homes all around the country, and they're going to think such
a rudimentary way to do it but it was really a remarkable feat to pull it off, and in my humble opinion air, great moment for the "new york times" and pushing ahead with a different kind of storytelling. >> rose: it can add to journalism the same way the internet added to journalism. >> journalism is better now, just for the record. journalistic institutions are struggling but journalism itself is better now than it has been. it was not that long ago that you would not have been able to see any video at all in south sudan. to be able to see it in a virtual reality -- >> and to see that you're in fact there, the feeling what you're there. >> that's remarkable. journalism is greater now than it has ever been. >> rose: "grey's anatomy," "scandal," and "how to get away
with murder," what do all three of those hit series have in common? shonda rhimes. she is one of the most powerful writer-producers working in television today. and yet for years she suffered from debilitating anxiety. she writes about it in her new book "year of yes." >> i love it in a way i feel like has been intrinsic for me. i actually say in the book that for me it's like somebody who feels like they have a piano talent-- a talent for playing the piano or something. i've just sort of always been able to play. i've always been able to write. it's natural. >> rose: are you a great storyteller gihope so glu have to be to have the success you have. what does it start with? >> usually with me it starts with either an image or a piece of dialogue. sometimes it starts with sort of a sense or an idea, the idea of-- "grey" started with sort of this idea of really, really,
really competitive people. what that felt like. and what that felt like to be in that environment and to really think you were going to kill somebody on a bad day. >> rose: is that an environment you knew? >> no, not in any way, shape, or form, really. i'm terrible at science. that was never going to be a thing for me. but the idea of being a very competitive person, i'm absolutely terribly, terribly competitive. so i knew that world and i knew those kind of women. and i thought that would be interesting to watch. >> rose: you really do know how to put together a diverse cast, as oprah said. >> well, yeah, i feel like i'm just putting together people who are good actors and who look like people i'd know, and i feel like it doesn't make any sense to me that the world of the show wouldn't look like the world outside. >> rose: why did you write this? you know, i wrote that completely not planning to write this book. that was-- it was almost an accident. i had been having this year that had been started by my sister who-- i'm the youngest of six.
and my oldest sister said to me one day, "you never say yes to anything." and i thought i'm going to start saying yes to all the things that scare me. i had been very introverted. i had panic attacks if i had ever done an interview. i couldn't give a speech or stand on a stage without really having terrible stage fright. and i thought i'm going to start saying yes to the things that scare me and see what happens. nd i thought i don't know.id, but i'm saying yes to everything, so, yes. >> rose: what's amazing to me is to be the show writer for one show. that's a pretty big job. >> it is. >> rose: how many do you run? >> i only run two. >> rose: but you're creating all the time. you're not just running shows. you're creating new shows. >> yeah, i'm thinking about new shows. i'm executive producing new shows. i'm helping other writers create their new shows. >> rose: a show runner doesn't
necessarily write. >> sometimes they don't. in my world -- >> you do both. >> in my world i do. i like it. it's the only way i know how to do it. >> rose:ed with brie's latest films revisits the area of the hollywood black list. the movie is called "trumbo." >> he was aggressive and prolific and brilliant, a wordsmith. he loved holding court. he was a raconteur. and he enjoyed it. he was flamboyant. he smoked constantly, always through a cigarette holder and gesticulate aid lot. he loved life. he was also the person you want on your side to fight for
injustice. he would write letters to scoot will board, and to the power company if the bills were too high. and he would constantly be doing what he did best, and that's to write and express himself. and he was also irascible and irritable and short with people and kind and generous -- >> and arrogant and cocky. >> all those things. he was all those things, and brilliant and fun loving. so he's a complex, deeply facetted character. >> rose: and you want people to leave this film with what big idea? >> i think it would be great if people left and even argued a point saying i think there was a very genuine scare at the time of insurgence of communism and ideology. and other people would say it was just a person's thought. how can you persecute someone for their thoughts? so if they-- if we can stimulate
that conversation, that's really a victory for not just us in the movie business and this particular film, but i think for-- in society. this was-- this was a time when i feel there was an over-reach of the branch of government that became the judge, jury and executioner was suspending first amendment rights and sentencing dalton trumbo and nine other men to prison, committed no crime, contempt of congress. they weren't pleased with their answers. >> rose: this is also, as we have seen before, the time of joe mccarthy and the time of edward r. murrow. >> right. >> rose: and all that where people of conviction had to step forward knowing that they faced an onslaught against them. >> yes. it was -- >> trumbo was one, murrow was another. >> and not just in entertainment or news gathering entities,
educators were also targeted in a variety of different colleges. really thousands of people who were targeted and either put on the black list or a gray list, depending and there was a lot of innuendo, a lot of suspicion. >> rose: any reason to believe we could fall back into that kind of period? >> i don't see why not. i think it's up to the citizenry to stay vigilant and protect these first amendment rights that were fought over and bloodshed to establish that as a foundation of our government. and the checks and balances were specifically initiated in the branches of government to prevent any one branch of government from being too powerful. and it works. and at this point, they pushed that aside and took it upon themselves to be all powerful. and that's a dangerous position.
>> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the opening of the g-20 summit in turkey. monday is the 100th anniversary of the coca-cola bottle. tuesday is the day baseball's managers of the year are announced. wednesday is the 66th annual national book award ceremony. thursday is the day the first bottles of this year's boaj lay nouveau are released. fridays is the day congress leaves for the thanksgiving recess. saturday is the 151st meeting between lehigh university and lafayette college, the nation's longest running football rivalry. and here is what's new for your weekend. the story of the chilean mine rescue "the 33."
>> fathers, brothers, sisters, and we are their only hope. >> let's get ourselves some miners. >> i believe we'll make it out of here because i choose to believe it! all 33 of us! >> rose: dead and company have tour dates in columbus, ohio, and greens borrow, north carolina. and u2, innocence and experience, live in paris, premieres saturday on hbo. ♪ ♪ >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. eelsee you next time.