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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening, i'm judy woodruff. >> ifill: and i'm gwen ifill. >> woodruff: on the newshour tonight: we continue our on the ground reporting from france on the fallout from last week's terror: >> sreenivasan: i'm hari sreenivasan in paris. the latest on the investigation into the attacks and the ongoing campaign against isis. >> ifill: also ahead this tuesday: we talk to presidential candidates ben carson and bernie sanders about whether, in the wake of the paris attacks, the u.s should withdraw its welcome mat for syrian refugees. >> woodruff: and, teaching kids to kill. we get a rare look inside an isis training camp for children in afghanistan. >> it was really really shocking to see these young children
more bombs in. brussels the french defense minister invoked a never before used provision in thein the eurn charter. all countries said they y wouldw provide aid.ce >> ( translated ): it's the vers first time it's been used. i feel that that's an important point to make.n now what's this actually going to mean in practice, well, either taking part in france'spo operations in syria or iraq, ora by easing the load or providingr support for france in other1 operations. so lightening our load elsewhere. what i've said to my colleaguesh is that france can't dont everything. >> parians have heard of the air raids in syria by france over the last 24ov hours. some like this man see it as necessary. >> ( translated ): we just don't have a choice anymore. we're there, we are facingng events we have never faced before, men are blowing themselves up, using heavy weapons, those used in a war, so
we have to respond with heavy means as well. h >> sreenivasan: 67-year-old agnes hontebeyrie thinks it does not go far enough. >> ( translated ): only a war on foot, on the ground, send troops there, that's the only way now to end this horrific conflict. my feeling-- just like before world war ii, when churchill said "you wanted peace, you got war", that's exactly what this makes me think of.yo >> sreenivasan: francois folch thinks the bombing will not be effective unless it is part of a coalition approach.un >> i don't think this islamic state is a real danger, i don't think so. there's one condition, everyone will have to get together, obama, putin, cameron, merkel, and if we are together, it's nothing, nothing. diane baiga says the air raidsir won't fix the problem.
>> ( translated ): i think thati we won't solve what's happeningw in france by bombings. >> sreenivasan: she says tighter border controls and stopping arms sales to conflict regions would be more effective in preventing this, but otherwise she doesn't think her son is any safer today than friday. >> ( translated ): i don't see how they could protect me, and protect my son, adding soldiers in the streets? me? that scares me! because today, i don't see what kind of answer they can provide. >> sreenivasan: russia alsos hammered targets in syria-- t purportedly tied to isil-- with renewed fury today.dl using fighter aircraft and cruise missiles launched fromn bombers and submarines. this, after russian investigators concluded a russian passenger plane flying over egypt late last month was bombed, killing 224 aboard; almost all were russians. national television showing the chief of russia's federal security service briefing a grim-faced president vladimir putin.ac
>> ( translated ): vladimir vladmiriovich, according to analysis by our specialists, ari homemade bomb containing up tob one kilogram of t.n.t. detonate. during the flight, causing the plane to break up in mid air. we can unequivocally say it was a terrorist act.ca u >> sreenivasan: putin set a $50 million reward for information that leads to the arrest of the attackers. and, he pledged those responsible would be found.n th >> ( translated ): we will search for them everywhere-- wherever they are hiding. we will find them in any spot on the planet and punish them. >> sreenivasan: later, putin sa with his defense minister for an elaborate briefing at a military command centre, with generals updating him on the progress of airstrikes.nt then, he ordered his military to begin operations in concert with the french. >> ( translated ): very soon a french navy group headed by an aircraft carrier will arrive in your area of operation. you need to establish a direct contact with the french and work with them as with allies. it is necessary to work out a
joint action plan with them, t both at sea and in the air. >> sreenivasan: in washington, pentagon spokesman peter cook said the u.s. will not be coordinating with russia on its air campaign because of its continued support for the syrian regime of bashar al assad.t >> if the russians would like to focus on isil, we'd welcome that. their policies of supporting tho assad regime are counter- productive and until they alter >> sreenivasan: back in paris, secretary of state kerry did promise increased coordinationf with the french on attacking isil, which he called by its arabic acronym "da'esh." >> we have to step up our a efforts to hit them at the core, where they're planning these things, and also obviously to do more on borders and in terms of the movement of people.
but the level of cooperation could not be higher. we've agreed even to exchange more information and i'm convinced that over the course of the next weeks, daesh will feel even greater pressure. they feeling it today, they felt it yesterday, they felt it in the past weeks. >> sreenivasan: it was equally clear that europe is alsoan feeling pressure: a soccer match in germany was canceled today after police reported a possible plot to bomb the stadium inbl hannover. and hari joins me now. >> woodruff: picking up on what's going on in france, we understand in the last few minutes there has been police activity at the palace depublicd >> sreenivasan: they arrested three guys with belgian license
plates. we don't actually know if those individuals were guilty of anything other than speeding bug the special police don't comeco out for any reason and now you wouldn't know there were any police at all. this is the climate and how tense everyone is around here.er in the past two days, now everyone looks around the cornee when they hear police cars whizzing by. i'm sure police cars whiz by all the time in this big city with their sirens on but now it takes on a different meaning for people. i was having dinner and something hit the awning on top of the restaurants and literally a woman fell flat on the floor because she was still so nervous she didn't know what was happening, whether it was a shot somewhere, and you saw other people in the restaurantan immediately knew what she was going through and wentas over to comfort her. but it was just a certain tension in the air that i can't describe. >> woodruff: hari, we understand the french parliament
is convening tomorrow.w. what's that about? what's on the agenda? >> sreenivasan: so francoisso hollande wants the parliament to extend the state of emergency for an extra three months, he declared it friday after the attacks. this is one of the first political tests. imagine after 9/11 all congress met and started to have a debate on extending or changing the constitution, perhaps, or extending emergency powers,y would there be a tremendousou amount of debate at that point or is that the point where members of congress or in this case members of parliament will show a unified face. and this is a country like the cal views its liberties and democracy, and this is also right now a country that wakes up and in the morning pick up the paper and read their workor 168 raids the night before, there were 120 raids the other night. at what point do people start asking the government more difficult questions about accountability and exactly who's being arrested and why are they being around that, what's the
evidence do you have?av so it's an interesting political test. vote on itnot tomorrow but hollande wants the extension by the end of the week. >> woodruff: these attacks sparked a big politicalol conversation about what to do about refugees.ug what's the discussion like there? >> sreenivasan: it's interesting, the moreg, information comes out the more the average public at least we meet on the street is able to discern the information. one of the individuals we had in our story tonight said somethinm that was interesting.ti he said, you know, the enemy is invisible. they could be the frenchmen that are next tore us, and that was informed by the fact he knew in the last couple of days some of these attackers were french-born, spoke french and frenchmen for all practical purposes.os but in the first few hours, the piece of information everyone grabbed on to was one of these individuals had a syrian passport, a passport that had been checked in from greece,
that this was a strong connection to the migrant crisis and this was the problem. and now you see people slicing and dicing more and saying perhaps the migrant crisis is a different conversation, maybe there are overlaps but let's not lump everything into the same category. the more informed they are, the better decisions they will beil able to make.ak >> woodruff: hari sreenivasanas reporting from paris, thank you. >> ifill: in the day's other news, the united nations' id refugee agency warned against closing borders to migrants in the wake of the paris attacks.s. that comes amid calls in parts of europe to halt resettlement of thousands of people. a u.n. spokeswoman in geneva said the migrants should not be punished. >> we are also deeply disturbed by language that demonizes refugees as a group. this is dangerous and it will contribute to xenophobia and fear. the security problems europe faces are highly complex. and refugees we believe should not turn into scapegoats.
they must not become secondary victims of this tragic event. >> ifill: the british governmenl said today it will not imposeos new curbs on refugee admissions. >> woodruff: canada's newly elected prime minister justin trudeau insisted today he'll stick with a plan to take inn 25,000 syrian refugees by january 1. that's despite growing criticism in his country, since the paris attacks, that the number is too large. trudeau has also said he'll keep a promise to withdraw canadian warplanes from the campaign against islamic state forces. we'll turn to the u.s. political reaction to paris, after theri news summary. >> ifill: in kosovo, opposition lawmakers used drastic action, to protest treaties with serbia and montenegro albin kurti, leader of the opposition, fired off pepper spray at government ministers, forcing them to flee. outside, police used tear gas to stop rock-throwing protesters
from breaking in. the treaties at the center of the dispute grant greater rights to ethnic serbs, and resolve a a border dispute. >> woodruff: tensions between china and its neighbors overshadowed the start of an asian-pacific summit in the philippines today. china claims to nearly all of the south china sea, and has built artificial islands over the protests of five asian nations and the united states. after arriving in manila, president obama reinforced the u.s. position, touring a former american warship that's now in the philippine navy. >> the united states has been committed to the security of this region for more than 70 years, we have a treaty obligation, an ironclad commitment to the defense of our ally the philippines, who cano count on the united states. my visit here underscores our shared commitment to the security of the waters of this region and to the freedom ofof navigation. >> woodruff: the president also
announced the u.s. will transfer two additional warships to theo philippines. >> ifill: back in this country, winter arrived early in colorado today, as part of a major storm system that's pushing east. blizzard conditions made for treacherous travel conditionsl around denver, and closed much of the state's main east-westof highway. more than a foot of snow was expected in parts of colorado and kansas. the storm system also canceled more than a hundred flights at denver international airport. >> woodruff: salt lake city, utah has elected its first openly gay mayor. former democratic state lawmaker jackie biskupski beat out incumbent mayor ralph becker in official results announcedul today. salt lake city is the home to the mormon church, which recently banned baptisms for children of gay couples, and disavowed same-sexme relationships. and on wall street, stocks struggled to make headway in the face of mixed results from big retailers. the dow jones industrial average
added just six points to close at 17,489. the nasdaq rose one point, and the s&p 500 lost two points. >> ifill: still to come on thest newshour: russia's ramped up airstrikes on the islamic state. presidential candidates bernie sanders and ben carson on accepting refugees. inside an isis camp that trains children to kill. and much more. >> ifill: we return to the fighr against the islamic state group in syria. as we reported, russian president vladimir putin ordered russian military forces to cooperate with the french military, as both countries bombed targets in syria today. but what are the prospects of cooperating with russia to end the syrian conflict? we get two views. evelyn farkas was deputy
assistant secretary of defense for russia and eurasia from 2012 to earlier this year. and vali nasr is the dean of the school of advanced international studies of johns hopkins university. vali nasr, let's talk about timing. why the stepped-up action by russia now? l >> they had the attack on their plane in sinai and the attack in paris. it gave them an opportunity to argue that i.s.i.s. should be the top priority for the international community in syria. putin has been arguing this all along. he doesn't have many people actually taking this as face value. now he sees an opportunity, given what's happened in paris,s so align european positions with himself. so he's stepping up fresh. >> ifill: putin didn't acknowledge till today thatha there was terrorism involved ind the shooting down of the
metrojet plane over the sinai. is he to be trusted in this? >> what we can see is paris is a game changer. it shifted the focus in europe and potential through united states on i.s.i.s. this actually gives russia an opportunity to align its syria policy with that of the west, let's say to find a common ground. so it makes sense of himn ahead of meeting with president hollande to say we're both facing the same problem -- this happened to me in sinai, this happened to you in paris, let's coordinate and cooperate on this. >> ifill: so evelyn farkas, we have common interests, theoretically, and, therefore, strange bedfellows can get together. is this a brand-new day when it comes to the u.s.-russia-france relationship? >> sadly, gwen, i don't think so. i think it is an opportunity for the russians to acknowledge we w have a shared foe, if we will, in i.s.i.s., daesh, i.s.i.l,.s whatever you want to call it. the russians have said it rhetorically for quite some time. they have been talking about combating terrorism with us for
years. the proof will be in what they hit and not just tonight but moving into the weeks and the next couple of days. >> ifill: what should the s united states be doing with what feels not quite like an olive branch but at least a reach out? >> i think we should always try to cooperate with russia but i'm skeptical because essentially our objectives in syria and actually beyond syria are not aligned with russia's, and until they're aligned, until one side or other or both sides can compromise, i think there willwi be limits to any kind of cooperation you can have with russia. >> ifill: vladimir putinin accused the u.s. in the past of playing a double game when it comes to the middle east. what's changed? >> nothing changed in the sense our position is very differentnt from russia's not only in thehe middle east but beyond, butut there is a lot of pressure now on european governments and alss on the u.s. government to find a way to address the i.s.i.s. problem. we're seeing the receding
importance of the effect of the immediate resolution of the syrian crisis and addressing u.s. and europe's security problems compared to i.s.i.s. so in the military area, we have one set of problems actuallyct working with the russians in that we don't know what they're hitting, what they will do. but there is the diplomatic front in vienna and i think putin is counting on the fact the europeans now feel pressure that this war has to end more quickly or we should get to a cease fire. that'fire.re that will happen by creating common ground around i.s.i.s. i >> ifill: have we reached where a road to peace or cooperation has to run through moscow? >> i think that's what they want. they want to position themselves there. they're in syria. s they can provide underground military operations which the u.s. and the europeans don't want to do right now, but also getting a common language on i.s.i.s. helps the russians to
isolate turks and saudi arabiaa which are still insisting the problem is still assad not i.s.i.s. a lot of this is positioning.os a lot may not happen in the actual fighting but i thinknk putin finds a lot more room to argue i told you two years ago this is about terrorism, youri wouldn't believe me, it's not about assad, and if you wantt this thing to go away, we should focus on i.s.i.s. >> ifill: evelyn farkas, do you agree we've now moved past the argument about assad and that, even though the u.s. andnd france are on one side and that russia is on the other side, that there has to be some other pathway? >> i mean, i don't think that we're aligned with russia yet. we really have a disagreement, a fundamental disagreement on assad. so until that bridge is -- until that gap is bridged, which will happen through diplomacy, we won't see real change. c we can bomb i.s.i.l, daesh, et cetera, the russians can bomb them but it's still not going to
change the ultimate outcome.ut the the other thing is, right now, russia wants a resolution because, right now, they're probably at the peak of theirf military engagement.ng i don't know, quite frankly, how much longer they can sustain the. >> ifill: it wasn't that long ago we were talking about proxy war in syria with the u.s. onn one side, russia on the other and the potential for us shooting each other out of the sky and the whole thing escalating. has that gone away if we sit down at the same table? >> no, on the military arena, certain things have to happen about deconflicting and gettingt at least our targets aligned. it's in vienna where i see the greatest amount of movement,t mainly if the europeans and americans come with an attitude of let us try to find a compromise around when will assad go, how can we bring a certain number of the opposition forces into alignment with the syrian government to create a united front to fight i.s.i.s., there might be movement there. i think what russia would like is to move the u.s. and european
positions closer to themselves and break them off from turkey and saudi arabia which if you want to call rite holding to the line that this is about assad, assad must go before we do anything else. >> at what price?ri this is not the only agreement the u.s. and russia have. >> he's also trying to cleverly create a divide between us and our european allies and that gets to a whole context that's not being addressed here which is what's happening in europe, ukraine, relations, et cetera. so he cleferlly used the word treat them as allies to his military folks when instructingi them when engaging the french navy. the french has allies. they're part of a 28-member alliance called n.a.t.o..a part of the e.u. russia is not their ally. i think that's a bit of an exuberant exaggeration to call the french the russian allies. but this is being very clever and he's trying to create some
distance and pull off the french towards himself. >> ifill:im next week we'll see francois hollande who is not an ally of vladimir putin and russia going to moscow to meet and also coming to the u.s. to meet with president obama,en trying to straddle that difference. >> well, i think there is goingo to be military and intelligence cooperation discussions, but beyond that i think the key question is europe is this, iss that you can't really fight i.s.i.s. till you end this war,, so how are you going to end this war? i think the proposal putin is giving everybody is that you're not going to get rid of assad any more because i'm protecting against sitting here. and the only way this war iss going to end is if we arrive at a compromise. so i think he's going to try to persuade president hollande to agree to a formula, but then president hollande when he meets with president obama will try ty sell it to washington and, if they're successful, that becomes the position in vienna around which there might be a compromise. >> not reassuring but sounds reasonable. it sounds like the course he
would take. c say whether we wouldul compromise or not. >> ifill: is it worth the paper it's written on, is the question. >> well, in terms of the russians, i think you have to be really careful and, as i said,ai you have to watch what they're hitting and not hitting and really test them because, for a long time, they have been talking about cooperating with us, but we've never really seen it in action. >> ifill: evelyn farkas, vali nasr, thank you both very much. >> thank you. >> woodruff: stay with us, coming up on the newshour:f: isis seeks a new generation ofw jihadists in afghanistan. but first, in the wake of the paris attacks there is a growing concern among republican candidates, governors and lawmakers about refugees from syria to the united states.. political director lisaa desjardins reports. >> reporter: on the campaign trail, republican candidates have seized on the refugee issue.on
ohio governor john kasich-- who initially said he might support the resettlement of refugees in his state, is now opposed. he explained his thinking at a national security speech in s washington, today: >> once we have a rational program and can determine who it is that's coming then it's another story. but at this point in time in light of where we are in the world, its reasonable for us tos stop. >> reporter: last night at a rally in tennessee, it was donald trump.ll >> so what i like is, build a safe zone in syria, a big a beautiful safe zone, and you have whatever it is, so people can live and they'll be happier. >> reporter: the u.s. has let in around 2,500 refugees from syria in the past four years. in september, president obama unveiled a plan to welcome 10,000 more by next fall. that's just a fraction of the o migrants fleeing the region, and officials say they face the toughest vetting of any immigrant to the u.s. for many, that's two years of
processing or more. but governors do not trust the process, and-- in the wake of the paris attacks-- more than two dozen now say they oppose syrian refugees moving to their states. still, governors technically cannot stop the federal government from re-settling refugees within their borders, which means all eyes are onal congress. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell today said he is considering possible action. >> what you're hearing from all the governors around the country, saying they're not interested in taking refugees from syria for the forseeable future: it strikes me that weth need to pause, or a moratorium. >> reporter: paul ryan, the new speaker of the house, pushed his members to come up with a plan-- soon. >> we've assembled a task force starting saturday to considerde legislation as quickly as possible.at >> reporter: as republicans mustered to block refugees,
attorney general loretta lynch defended the current system today before a house panel. >> certainly there are challenges to that process because of the situation in syria.of but i would note, however, that we do have the benefit of having that significant and robust screening process in place. in a pros today, the white house said it continues to looko for ways to improve vetting of syrian refugees. for the gnars, i'm lisa desjardins. >> ifill: the next person to occupy the white house will likely be faced with the continuing fallout from thisut week's paris attacks. tonight we are joined by two ofj the presidential candidates to hear how they would handle terror threats at home and abroad.rr we begin with democratic candidate, senator bernie sanders of vermont.ti welcome, senator. >> good to be with you.wi >> ifill: in the wake to have the paris attacks, you have called for what you describe as an international effort to eliminate the stain of i.s.i.s. from the world.or how would you do that?
>> the good news, in the midst of all this tragedy, is that countries all over the world, whether it is france, whether it is i russia, whether it is the muslim countries in the gulf region, we now have a common interest, and that is to come together to destroy this barbaric organization called i.s.i.s. and what is about to happen, and i don't suggest this is easy, but we've got to overcome a lot of the internal squabbling and disagreements which now exist.st god knows the united states correctly has strong differences of opinion with russia. iran and saudi arabia have very, very strong differences of opinion. but what leadership is about now is bringing together all of these countries, including the countries in the gulf region who have the most to lose and to say, you know what, we're going to work on a coordinated military strategy and a
political strategy to destroy i.s.i.s. that's what i have been sayingen for a long time and i believe it is even truer today.od >> ifill: in your opinion, has the obama administration doneat enough to create a workable strategy? >> this is tough stuff, and i know it's very easy to criticize the president, but i think he has tried as hard as he can. c i think john kerry has been very effective in trying to bring these countries together. you've got saudi arabia -- he got saudi arabia and iran to sit down in a room, that is no small thing. to get turkey and the kurds to work together is no small thing, but that is what has to happen, so we have to do more. i think the obama administration has madedm a good step forward.r we have to tomorrow. we've seen results in the g-20 conferences that have takenen place, but the bottom line is we have to be in this together. russia lost over 200 people in a flight. god knows we saw quhats happened
in paris, we know what's happened in the u.k. we are in this together and when we work together, not the slightest doubt in my mind that i.s.i.s. will be destroyed. d >> ifill: the other thingng that's happened since the terrorist attacks is what appears to be a pretty strong,tr in this country especially, antirefugee backlash, many governors saying, no, not in my state. what's your position on that? >> i disagree. when we talk about terrorism, what it's really about is the terrorists trying to instillo fear and terror in ourselves. i hear some people saying, maybe we'll close down mosques, maybe we wasn't let muslims in this country, maybe we'll turn our back on thousands of people whose lives have been destroyed by terrorism who have had to flee syria and afghanistan. now, it goes without saying we need a very strong screeningni process to make sure those
people who come into this count deserve to be in this country and are not terrorists. i think we can do that. i tell you something else, that if we turn our backs on those people, you know, i think almosm in a way we will be destroying what this country is supposed to be about throughout our history. we've welcomed people who wereer in trouble. screening, yes, but turning our backs on people whose lives havv been so affect bid the war in syria and afghanistan, i don't think that's appropriate. >> ifill: in a your statement you describe it as islamophobiap and racism, strong words. w do you want name names? >> no great secret. a few months, donald trump said about people from mexico that they are criminalsha and rapist. well, you know... y and now we're talking trump and others are talking about, well,o you know, maybe we'll close down mosques. last i heard, we had a constitution in this country which gave all of our people thp
right of religious freedom, you know. and then i'm hearing other people saying, well, you know, we may have to undermine the constitution in terms of civil liberties. when we do all those things, in fact, the terrorists win withouw a bomb in america. i understand we're frightn't. what we saw in paris was horrible and bar raric, but we are a strong enough nation to say we're not going to lose who we are as a people, that we'ree' going to protect our constitution, we're going to protect religious freedom and we're not turning our backs onon women and children who have been thrown out of their own countries with the shirts on their backs. yeah, we're going to open our doors but screen. that's my view. >> ifill: just m today the t speaker of the house, paul ryanr jeb bush and even chuck schumer have all said perhaps we should consider a pause in accepting refugees into this country. >> well, i think we have to have a very, very effective screening
mechanism, and i don't know what people mean by "a pause." if "a pause" means we want tot take a look at how we're going screening to make sure -- doing screening to make sure we're doing it effectively, that's one thing. but if "a pause" is a subtext of we're going to turn our backs on refugees who are in need of help -- and when i talk about t this, it has to be the entire world coming together and helping hundreds and hundreds of thousands of men, women and children who need help. >> ifill: hillary clinton received the endorsement of the service employees union. there had been a split in the union about some wanted to support you and some her.
what's your thought of the endorsement today? >> obviously i would have likedk to have had that endorsement.t. but what you will see all over this country is sometimes the leadership doing things the rank-and-file don't support. new york city, one of the locals is not supporting. we have s support of one of the largest nurse's union and postal workers union, we're going to t get more union support. but i have absolute confidence that given the fact i have one of thehe highest pro union votig records in the congress that i t have been on a lot of picket lines, that i'm fighting for $15 an hour, i think my record will in fact convince millions of workers in and out of unions that if we want to stand up for the working class of thiss country, i am the candidate. c >> ifill: senator bernie sanders of vermont, democratic candidate for president. p thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> woodruff: this evening,
speaker of the house paul ryan announced he plans to bring legislation on the floor thursday to create afterat pausp in the refugees program. and in the republicanep presidential race, moments ago louisiana governor bobby jindal says he is suspending his campaign. joining us from san diego is one to have the current frontrunnero in the case dr. ben carson. i knew ben carson before he was a candidate when he was the doctor for one of my children. dr. carson, thank you for joining us. let me start with the refugee question. administration says its process for vetting refugees is the very toughest on refugees who come in from syria, that they receive additional scrutiny more than any others who come into this country. why isn't that enough? >> well, first of all, you knowk i think we should be compassionate as we always have been and recognize that there are a lot of people who have
been displaced.is half of the country of syria has been displaced. we should be looking for ways to protect and provide safe zones for them and utilizing our professional resources to helpel them over there. but we also have to use a little bit of common sense and recognize that if we bring large numbers of such people into our country and they're coming from an area where a lot of the radical islamic jihadists exist, they would be foolish not toin filtrate that number with their own people. i can't believe they would leavp them alone and not try to do that. we have to realize it doesn't take that many people. when you look at what happenedd in france friday, it didn't takk 10,000 people to do that. didn't even take 1,000 or 100.. so we have to be very careful and we have to protect the t american people and we have toav have vetting procedures that we
can all agree on, not that just one group says, yeah, this is the best vetting procedure there is. >> woodruff: but we know it's a humanitarian crisis. we know european countries are being strained. you've said yourself your heart hurts for these refugee families, for the children, but in essence you would turn them away for the time being at least? >> well, my heart would also hurt if we allowed people in here who destroy the lives of hundreds or maybe thousands of americans. we have a responsibility to our people first, and when you get on theet airplane, they always y in case of an emergency air masks will drop down, put yours on first, then administer oxygen to your neighbor.gh >> woodruff: dr. carson, we just heard before we talked to you, gwen talked to senator sanders, we also know that governor bush said today that he would not ban syrian refugees
from coming in. he called accepting refugees a noble tradition in this country. >> and like i said, we have to have a vetting procedure that we can all agree on that is safe, and i don't think that's an unreasonable request. just because one person says, yeah, this is the best vetting procedure there is in the world, that's not good enough. we need to have something we can all agree on.n. i think the average person who recognizes that you're bringingg people from an area of the world where there are very dangerous territories would likely infiltrate the group of people that you were bringing over here with some of their own. if somebody can tell me why that's irrational reasoning, i'm all ears. >> woodruff: governor bush went on to say that the problem needs to be solved in syria, and he and others have talked abouta putting a coalition together, strengthening that coalition to
go after i.s.i.s. there. >> well, there is no question we need to fight them over there ss they can direct their attentiont to that area of the world and less attention to our area of the world. we fight them over there, or we fight them over here. so, yes, we must be extremely serious. we must look at what has workedr in the past and expand on that. you know, even last week, you know, with sinjar, look at what happened there. the kurds were able to cut off the supply routes, and then our special ops people were able to work with the kurds and soften the target so that, when we came in with our air support, itt, wasn't all that difficult. that's a model that should be repeated and expanded upon, and we should have set our sights on mosul and other places as well and take back some of the
caliphate they have managed to build and also to strangle them in terms of finances and resources from oil and everything. we should go all out for this, not just pinpricks. p >> woodruff: when it comes to i.s.i.s. and foreign policyic questions, i'm sure you know one of your foreign policy nationaly security advisors dwayne clarriago is scwoated today inn the "new york times" saying nobody has been able to sit down with you and have you get one iota of intelligent conversations about i the middle east. m he's talking about questions you've had from the press recently where you've appeared to have struggled with answers on national security. >> i think that's ana picture people want to paifnlt this sunday when chris wallace kept saying,-week-old you call firstr
who would you call first?ir i wasn't interested in answering the question, because if i said i'd call egypt, israel, jordan first or whoever, then the next thing is, well, but why would you not call this one first? i know how that works, and that's just silly. what i was talking about is we have to have a broad plan, a coalition that brings in all of our friends and all of the people who have interests in that region throughout the -- >> woodruff: but what about your -- go ahead. >> yeah, so, you know, what i sort of object to is the sound byte answers that people can then pull apart and then say, see, i told you he doesn't knoww anything when, in fact, youu really need a much more comprehensive answer to some of these questions. q >> woodruff: well, this is your own advisor, mr. clarriage, who said you need weekly briefings to "make you smart." >> he's not my advisor.
he is a person who has come in on a couple of our sessions to offer his opinions about what washa going on, t. to call himself my advisor would be a great stretch.et and he has no idea who else i'm sitting down and talking to. >> woodruff: who is your principle advisor of nationalon security because one of our other advisors armstrong williams says you're still on a steep learning curve.ur >> i am.m. you know, i know a lot more than i knew a year ago, and a year from now i'll know a lot more than i know now. that's what we call continuing medical education. you have todi get the credits ic order to be recertified. i think that applies to every aspect of our lives, particularly in a rapidly changing world.or >> woodruff: dr. ben carson,ar thank you for talking with us. u >> thank you. my pleasure.
>> ifill: tonight on frontline, an unprecedented look at howw islamic state militants have spread across one country at the center of the war on terrorism. with remarkable access to the militants themselves, tonight's report: "isis in afghanistan" shows how the group is expanding its control in the country, fighting some members of the taliban, co-opting others, and battling afghan national armyti forces. william brangham has the story. >> brangham: after months of negotiations, afghan journalist najibullah quarashi got permission from isis militants to come visit their stronghold in afghanistan. in his "frontline" report, quarashi shows not only how isis is gaining power in that nation, but also how they're indoctrinating young afghan y children into their cause.
>> narrator: the fighters tell najibullah they receiveig propaganda videos directly from isis in syria and iraq. they say they show the videos to the village children every day.. >> quraishi: i was asking them why they are watching in front of these young children? they said they should learn, they should know from now, and it's normal for them. >> narrator: the videos don't
just show attacks and atrocities. this is an isis military school for children, somewhere in the middle east. ir ( gunfire ) >> quraishi: all these videos, they're just telling them how to kill people, how to behead and how to become suicide bombers. and their main thing is to killi infidels. this is their aim and they are clearly telling this is in quran. so what does the child believe? what does he think? he thinks yes, i am muslim, and he's telling me the truth. >> narrator: najibullah films the afghan children copying whan they've just watched.
>> quraishi: when i saw these young children, i was really, really upset, really sad. i was thinking about afghanistan future. afghanistan's next generation. what we have next? these children who learn how to kill people, how to do jihad, how to behead, how to fire? this would be afghanistan? i was thinking maybe the war will never end. never. and the people will keep suffering from war.
>> brangham: welcome, najibullah quarashi. this is a veryrana powerful pief reporting. you get to see i.s.i.s. in action in a way many of us in i the west have never seen before. why is it you think they let you in? >> well, when i heard first about i.s.i.s. in afghanistan, then i started contacting thect people who used to work for me and some local journalists. j then i found some villages and elders. so through the elders, we send a message out to them to their leader, the i.s.i.s. commander.s in afghanistan.s i asked them if they allow me to film them about their presence in afghanistan. a so then they told to the villages of the people i sent over to wait.
i was waiting for at least eight months. they called us in. they said, come, we're ready to be filmed. so i was excited that i am going to meet them or filming them about their daily life, or at least i would expose them what they are doing there. and the other side of my life was my family, my wife, my children. to be honest, this was kind of 50/50. i was hoping i would come back again and 50% i wasn't. it's always dangerous. it's always there is a risk. but we have to tell the story. if not, who shall tell? t >> brangham: the education the children are getting, if you can call it that, are quite terrifying. i was wondering if you could tell us more about the men who think this is a good thing to teach children so young to learn
how to kill.l. >> i've never seen this in my journalism life before.ef at the beginning. >, i didn't knowthey mentioned a school for children. i thought they may learn some mathematics or grammar or a language or something or qur'an, but i come across with jihad for 3, 4, 5-year-old children, you're telling them about jihadh and how to kill. so i was shocked. >> jihad! these guys were coming from pakistan and saying this is the time they should teach the children and they should learn from now and be prepared. for them, they should be ready for fighting, for everything at the age of 12 or 13 or somethinm like this.
they were asking the children about the weapons.ea for example, how many bullets it takes. what is this pistol made from, why we should use this, whoho should we be against with this and a lot of different things which the children knew from this age. then on the film, we can see the second generation which is all the teenagers, like 13 or 17, and they're ready to blow themselves up or to do a suicide pact. i came to the conclusion about afghanistan's future and afghanistan's next generation, over 90% uneducated people, don't have security.y. day by day, all the terrorists come into afghanistan, all the farmers. right now in afghanistan, we have the taliban, islam, and now we have this crazy group the
most worse group ever i've seen in my life and i cannot see any bright future about that country, and i don't think iff this is any power to defeat them. >> brangham: given the newse of the most recent attacks we've seen in france recently, everyone's been wondering about i.s.i.s.'s motives, and you've now spent a good deal of team with the militants. when you heard about the attacks in france, did that come as a surprise for you or not? >> no, it didn't come as a surprise for me because their aim is not -- they're not talking about one village or one district or one country. they're talking about the world. they're not like a taliban. for example, the taliban says, we are in afghanistan and we are not for other countries or russia or iran or otherr countries can. c our aim is to capture afghanistan and have sharia law here in afghanistan. a but they are not like this. they say, we want to go to europe, we want to go to other
countries, and they're tackling the world. they're not tackling only one country or one province or district. >> brangham: najibullah quarashi, thank you forst joinii us and this terrific piece of journalism. >> you're welcome. >> ifill: frontline airs tonight on most pbs stations. m and a news update before we go.u on the heels of the parisri attacks, there's been anotherhe major bombing in nigeria. the red cross and the government say at least 32 people were killed in the northeastern city of yola. another 80 were wounded. officials say it bears the hallmark of boko haram. the islamist militant group has killed thousands in the last six years.an >> woodruff: on the newshour online: as countries all over the world face these active threats of terrorism, a new survey reveals how ordinary afghans feel about the islamic state in their own homeland, a place where they're still battling the taliban. you can find those results on our home page, that's
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