tv Charlie Rose The Week PBS November 20, 2015 11:30pm-12:01am PST
>> rose: welcome to the practical. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead the new realities in the fight against isis. a new look at a life in architecture. and an oscar winning musical finds a home on broadway. >> rose: we'll have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. captioning sponsored by rose communications
>> rose: and so you began how? >> i was ready for him. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something else? >> i always loved comedy. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> it is brave and right. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week france struck back at isis. republicans rebelled against taking syrian refugees. and the president responded. and the face with tears of joy emoji was added to the oxford dictionary. here are th are the sights and s past seven days. >> the french interior minister is now saying authorities have carried out 128 new security raids. >> rose: french airstrikes hit isis in raqqa. >> france launched massive airstrikes against isis targets. >> in the nation of mali 170 people taken hostage.
no word if this has anything to do with the isis terrorist attacks in france. >> rose: 32 died in a nigerian market bombing. >> they just came with the bomb and it exploded. >> first they were worried about the press being too tough during the debates and now they're worried about three-year-old orphans. >> rose: russia confirms a bomb brought down metrod jet 9268. >> it is the first time russian officials have said that a bomb brought down the metrod jet last month. >> rose: minneapolis requests a federal investigationave police shooting. >> protesters with black lives matter shut down i-94 in minneapolis in response to the officer-involved shooting of jamal clark. >> the whole world is watching. >> the new face of a fireman. >> the husband and father is the recipient of the most extensive facetransplant worldwide to date. >> he is doing very well. >> the f.d.a. has approved genetically modified salmon, the
first altered animal approved for human consumption. >> i think we have a picture of the genetically modified fish. there it is. ♪ wild horses >> in philadelphia, zebras on the loose ran around for about an hour. >> i said, "is that a zebra?" >> rose: the oxford dictionary picks an emoji as its word of the year. ♪ rolling on a river >> daring river rescue in the fierce rapids of north carolina. >> rose: this has been a week marked by terror. early friday morning, gunmen attacked a hotel in the capital of the former french colony of mali on the west coast of africa. guests who could recite the koran were released. more than 100 others were held hostage for several hours until they were freed by troops.
dozens are dead and an al qaeda group has reportedry claimed responsibility. this comes as paris recovers from the deadly isis attacks that killed 130 people. france remains under a state of emergency. days there have been marked by memorials, bomb scairdz, and police raid, including one that killed the lead suspect in the plot. meanwhile, french warplanes have repeatedly hit the isis ll week long, we have heard a wide range of reactions, emotions, and analysis. >> if you don't eradicate isis in its core, which is in syria and in iraq,ul have cancer, metastases everywhere for years and years. either you hit there, or you will will have hell here. in europe, and in mirk. hollande made that very clear. it is not easy for a country
like france to take this sort of leadership toward the idea of hitting militarily. but he did it. and you can be for hip or against. it is brave and right. >> rose: mat olsen, who is right? >> so the option of air strikes and leading a coalition was clearly the right answer. the problem is, of course, that that is not going to stop isis from being able to, on smaller scales or even like on the more significant scale we saw in paris, being able to send operatives or at least inspire operatives to carry out attacks like we saw on friday. >> rose: tell me about isis. are we looking at the beginnings of the execution of a more global strategy? >> yes. from the very beginning they've had two strategies. >> rose: and what do you think it takes to defeat them? >> unfortunately, every military official i have interviewed for my book-- i have been covering syria for five years-- anybody with experience, gaining the
epist myelogy, before they operated in western iraq and eastern syria, they all anticipate boots on the ground at some point. >> rose: roger from paris, tell me how you see it, the conversation we have been having and a sense of the mood and mindset in paris. >> well, charlie, paris is subdued. it's wounded. it's angry, very angry. and i think that as long as you have isis controlling territory where it can sell oil, it can raise money, it can organize attacks like the heinous bloodshed that we've just seen in paris, i think that we have to remove isis's control of this territory. and we have to do it sooner rather than later. >> the truth is finding some way to stop the syrian civil war is a critical piece of beating isis, and i've-- and i've said before, i do think that we
should try and establish some safe havens in syria and particularly, further to the east, away from assad's turf so we can basically tell the russians, look, this is not a threat to assad. this is a humanitarian endeavor. we're not going to be in conflict with your military protecting him. so basically just stay out of our way. >> rose: what do you think about putin and his efforts and the role he's playing and how much cooperation the united states ought to make with him? >> well, i think the first thing to understand about putin is that he sees russia's military intervention in syria as russia's way back to the table. this is about russia's place in the world. >> rose: and so how should the u.s. respond to him? >> we need to decide our strategy, and then decide how russia fits into that strategy. >> rose: that suggests we don't have a strategy right now. >> we have this strategy that
the president has articulated for taking on isis but i don't think we have a strategy with respect to the middle east as a whole or with respect to syria. i think we've basically been very passive about syria from the very beginning of the civil war. >> in some ways i feel like at the end we can talk about isis a lot, but i think we have to talk about where do sunnis go. they have been very isolateed. nnis today are key to some effort to defeat isis. >> some-- some are, yes, that's true. >> rose: so what was the beginning then? you have a leader. you have disaffection among potential followsers help help me understand how that came together to emerge as the beginnings of what we see today. >> so in 2006, they proclaimed their islamic state over the,s -- >> 2006. >> 2006. >> rose: nine years ago. >> nine years ago. it was really the american withdrawal in iraq and the civil war in syria that gave them room to operate. they had been pushed underground as a terrorist organization but
they took advantage of the chaos and the political disaffection among the sunnis to begin state building. they assassinated people they thought would resist them. they carried out intense campaigns of proselytizing. and then they moved in troops and took over towns and built the state that you see today. >> rose: there may be an easy answer to this-- but how did they get so smart in using technology? >> they seem to know about layout, about social media, certainly. >> rose: a compelling narrative. >> and they have people who are clearly trained, people who could make a living as copy editors at a good magazine. >> rose: an advertising agency. >> yes, if they ever repent from isis, then they might have a job at "the atlantic." >> rose: isis has promised to carry its campaign of terror to the united states. is america ready? lisa monaco is assistant to the
president for homeland security and counter-terrorism. john miller is the deputy commissioner of intelligence and counter-terrorism for the new york police department. >> they have used social media to extol their followers, to undertake attack where's that i ever. they have said undertake attack where's are you without necessarily receiving specific direction or a specific plotting direction from leadership. >> rose: have you disrupted attacks that were intended for the united states and american cities? >> well, i want to be very clear right now, we've got no credible specific threat reporting against the united states. that said, your viewers and the wider public will not know of the multiple times we have been able to address threats that are in the early stages or plots that are able to be disrupted. again, we've got to be right 100% of the time. >> rose: what are the other planks in the strategy? >> so going after the leadership, placing that
pressure on them, shrinking their safe haven, severing those supply lines, denying them safe haven-- physical safe haven and denying them digital safe haven in terms of the message they have. and enabling our partners. we have trained 15,000 iraqi security forces. we are supplying our partners in the north of syria, syrian arabs, turksimen, kurds, to close that border between syria and turkey. we've worked very effect wiffle those partners to close hundreds of kilometers of that border. we've got about 100 kilometers left to go. we're working more closely with turkey. we're putting more assets into the base in turkey that we're flying missions from there to apply pressure to raqqa, to apply more pressure and more lethal strikes against isil. so we're ramping up and intensifying this campaign across all those lines of
effort. >> rose: and how will you measure success? >> we'll measure success by shrinking that safe haven and making it a place where isil can no longer plot attacks and perpetrate heinous acts of brutality in that space and elsewhere. >> it could happen here in new york simply because it could happen anywhere. what we're talking about is redefining the modern complex terrorist plot to be low tech, low cost, and as we see now, extraordinary high impact. you don't need talented, sophisticated operators to walk into a crowded place with a rifle and start shooting people. on the other hand, the ability to launch that at multiple locations in a global city like paris is a significant external planning capability. >> rose: so it also indicates this is a global struggle because it took place in, that one attack in lebanon, one attack on a plane, a russian
plane that went down in the sinai, and then paris. >> so that's very significant, charlie, because it redefines what isis was two months ago to what isis-- or isil is today. and how does it redefine it? that really speaks to an organization that went from being a self-propelled propaganda arm globally to one that can launch complex, external operations. >> rose: we turn now to politics and the 2016 presidential race. it may be too early to say whether the events of the week are affecting the dynamics of the race, but they are certainly affecting the campaign rhetoric. >> we should have a lot of systems, and today you can do it, but right now, we have to have a border. we have to have strength. we have stro a wall. >> if there's a rabid dog running around your
neighborhood, you probably are not going to assume something good about that dog. does it mean that you hate all dogs? we have to have in place screening mechanisms that allow us to determine who the mad dogs are. >> i do not trust this administration to effectively vet the people who are proposed to be coming in in order to protect the safety and security of the american people, so i would not permit them in. >> what if they were orphans under the age ofify? >> you know, hugh, we could come up with 18 different scenarios. the fact is we need for appropriate vetting and i don't think orphans under five should be admitted into united states at this point. >> applying a religious test, discriminating against muslims, slamming the door on every syrian refugee, that is just not who we are. we are better than that. >> we need to be cautious as we go through this not to get to a
point where our emotions overtake our brain. >> rose: frank gehry is one of the most prominent architects of our time. among his most famous designs are the guggenheim museum and the walt disney concert hall in los angeles, california. paul goldberger is a contributing editor for "vanity fair magazine." he has written the first authorized dying booigraphy of frank gehry. it is called, "building art: the life and work of frank gehry." >> it was a way to push myself in a different direction and still make use of a lifetime of writing about architecture, and frank has had the most interesting life. the connection between his life
and his work is an intriguing one. it's a story that has i think some of the drama of a novel, really. and that's what i wanted to try to do while still explaining his architecture to people. >> rose: and it is a portrait of architecture in the 20th and 21st century. >> yes, absolutely. and he's in fact the character who bridges them, really. in many ways frank gehry is a traditional architect. in many ways he's farther at the cutting edge than anybody but he has his feet firmly planted in what architecture has always been-- which is beautiful objects, cavally crafted, one of a kind. >> rose: is he, more than any other, a man who probably defines himself as an artist as much as an architect? >> i think what we does is show us those words are not contradictory. they're not inconsistent. he's a real architect. he cares about where the toilets go, about how things work, about function. >> rose: you are also well known for your buildings and your sense of light and space
and time. you're also popular, celebrated, famous. that's my question. that doesn't sit well-- you're ambivalent about that. >> yeah, i am. >> rose: at best ambivalent. >> well, because i'm healthily insecure, as i continue to work. you are, too. each-- i see you that way, anyway. maybe i'm wrong. as we approach each new adventure, new problem, new thing to conquer, you can't come in overly confident or you blow it. and so there's a kind of healthy insecurity. and i'm doing a house for a lady now in northern california which is a new thing that-- and i have sleepless nights, and i dream about this thing, and i can't
get it. and i'm suffering, suffering to the point of looking in the mirror and saying i do really know anything? so it's. >> rose: you think that buildings should be art and buildings should unspire your soul, that buildings should create an emotion within you. >> right. >> rose: yes? >> yes. they should feel good. i mean, the most mundane level, when you go to a space and it feels good, you feel comfortable, that's a feeling, right? now, can you elevate it just a little so it's engaging other senses and other parts of your intelligence? >> rose: after a week of terror in the city of light, we close tonight a convince essential view of paris.
george and ira gershwin's oscar-winning musical, "an american in paris," is now on broadway. the cast is headed up by robert fairchild, and leanne cope. it is the most awarded new musical of 2015. is this a musical? >> yes. the -- >> i mean, is it a musical? is it a ballet? >> kind of all of the above. >> rose: some kind of hybrid. >> yeah a broadway-ballet hybrid. >> rose: musical, broadway-- >> tap, jazz, ballet, singing. >> it really follows a formula of a traditional book musical, yet it has three ballets throughout. the ballets were used occasionally decades ago in "carrousel" and "oklahoma." but never has there been an opening and act one is a ballet. it is giving you a traditional book musical but it is also pushing the boundaries and has
an amazing amount of incredible dancing. >> rose: what was the challenge? >> i think you have people in the ballet world opening their mouths for the first time on stage singing and speaking. >> rose: people from the singing world dancing for the first time. >> yeah. everybody had to learn something in the show. >> it's true. >> it was so cool. >> we were each pushed out of our comfort zone at some point which helped us lean on each other and rely on each other. >> everyone is scared and that makes it easier. >> i wasn't a musical theater guy watching them and start singing. i had to get into tap schools. and the director who had never directed before, his first time directing the show, producers taking this. it really takes some pressure off because we were all scared together. >> rose: there's a kind of chemistry between and you leann, yes? >> thanks. ( laughter ). >> i think we were in a lucky
situation in that -- >> they say chemistry a hard thing to make happen. it has to somehow flow from something natural. >> we were lucky that we came from very similar backgrounds and that that we were thrown into this situation together. like coming from the ballet world, we kind of-- i always felt more comfort knowing that we were in the same situation. but we-- i think there's a lot of chemistry in the whole cast to be honest. everyone gets on very well on and off stage. so that's what makes our show really special is that genuinely we do actually really like each other. >> i'm just amazed seeing them dance. how do you even try to step into the shoes of gene kelly and lesliica ron. but they have. they're so unique and made the roles totally their own but my breath breathis taken away every time i see them dance on stage and in rehearsal and it's just incredible.
>> people always say you know,"you're doing gene kelley's steps." and it's actually, no, we're doing our new choreography inspired by the film but there are moment where's you get to just do a little nod, nod here and there, just to kind of bring everybody who has seen the film and loves the film, those little moments to go, "oh!" bring it back. >> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the day the mirn music awards are presente presented is angeles. monday is the day the international emmy awards honor "downton abbey" and hbo chairman richard plepler. tuesday is the day willy mays and the late yogi berra receive the presidential medal of freedom. wednesday is the day pope francis begins hiss first visit to africa. thursday is thanksgiving day.
friday is the 70th anniversary of the slinky. saturday is the qualifying round of the abu dhabi grand prix. and here is what's new for your weekend. adele has a new album out, "25." ♪ i'm sorry for everything that i've done. ♪ when i call you never seem to be home ♪ >> rose: the thriller "the secret in their eyes." >> he can quit his job. he can change his name, he can dump his car. but i will still find him. >> rose: and my morning jacket has concert dates in concert and new york. ♪ nobody knows.
♪ nobody knows >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we leave thu week in paris. >> i could smell the gun powder. >> everyone was saying, "help me." >> we were all really scared. >> a moment of silence in memory of the victims of the terrorist attacks in france. >> the french people have stood shoulder to shoulder with the united states time and again. we stand together with them in the fight against terrorism and extremism. >> rise and observe a minute of
silence in tribute to the memory of the victims. >> i chose to bring them here today because i think it's important for them to understand what's going on, for them to see we're all out here anyway because we're not afraid. >> we're scared but we know we have to fight back and the only way to fight back is to keep on living the way we live. >> we're standing as one with france. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org
>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with reid hoffman, a leading investor in the silicon valley and co-founder and chair of linkedin. >> most silicon valley companies are global in name and think of their customers and members as global in scope, and so the problem is they have to say, okay, how do we protect their interests the right way. they're not saying how do we protect i.s.i.s.'s interest. they're saying how do we protect your everyday citizen. >> rose: we continue with shonda rhimes, one of the most prolific television producers in hollywood. >> we're creating worlds. once i've established the world of "grey's anatomy," it's a living being for me, almost. i don't have to kill myself to figure it out because it exists. i know what's