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captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is charlie rose the week. another mass shooting with link on terrorism. more special forces and the fight against isis. and charlotte rampling stars in "45 years." >> everyone else feels it, too. >> you really believe you haven't been enough for me? >> no, i think i was enough for you. i'm just not sure you do. >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> funding for charlie rose was provided by the following:
>> rose: and so you began how. >> to know what they're doing. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something elses? >> a different light is pout it. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> i really love this country. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week the pentagon committed more troops to the fight against isis. a california mass shooting had links to terrorism. and facebook's mark zuckerberg sent out of mother of all birth announcements. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. sandy berger, former national security adviser to president clintonidize at 70. >> iraq, clearly we want to see a regime other than saddam hussein there. >>ose: another mass shooting. >> based upon what we have seen and how they were equipped there, had to have been some
degree of planning that went into this. >> the shooting in san bernardino, california, left 14 people dead and 17 injured. >> senate republicans rejected new gun control legislation, including the ability to bar suspected terrorists from buying guns. >> rose: the suspected planned parenthood shooter goes to court. >> robert louis dear, the man accused of a deadly shooting at a colorado springs planned parenthood making his first court appearance. >> how many more americans need to die? >> president obama is wrapping up his trip to paris today after attending the climate summit with 150 other world leaders. >> this is the moment we finally determine we would save our planet. >> record-breaking, smothering haze hanging over parts of china. >> it looks ridiculous but the air here is so bad. >> rose: chicago police under fire over a shooting. >> chicago's top cop, gary mccarthy, fired amid growing questions of the deadly police shooting of a black teenager. >> defense secretary ashcarter
ordered all combat jobs open to women. women. >> wake up. >> rose: pope francis cuts an album. >> he recording an album titled "wake up." ♪ i want to be a billionaire >> mark zuckerberg celebrated the birth of his daughter by committing to giving away 99% of his wealth which is why his daughter's first words were son of a ( bleep ). >> kobe bryant will retire at the end of the season. >> i don't want to do this anymore. ♪ this is the end my only friend, the end ♪ >> rose: there are growing links to international terrorism in this week's mass shooting in san bernardino. one of the suspects, sayed farook, was in communication with people both in the united states and abroad who have links to terrorism. his wife allegedly posted a
pledge of allegiance to isis leader abu bakr al-baghdadi on facebook prior to the attack. searches at the suspects' home uncovered bomb-making equipment, a dozen pipe bombs and thousands of rounds of ammunition. joining me now from san bernardino is esme deprez of bloomberg news. thank you for doing this. let me begin with what we know that's new. update us on what has happened in the last, you know, 18 hours. >> so the big news this morning is that facebook posting in which tashfeen malik,s that's the young mother that was part of the attackers, she apparently pledged allegiance to isis on the facebook post, as you mentioned, and that's really important because it perhaps draws a distinction this could have been isis inspired. now, federal officials are not saying whether this was isis directd and that is a crucial distinction here. but they are concerned about the threat of what we call homegrown terrorism. so that's the real concern with this new facebook post and what it tailsz. the couple had deleted some of
their online presence before carrying out the attacks so that would also indicate to us this was, again, premeditated. we've talked a lot in the past about how other things noted that this was premeditated, that big arsenal of weapons and ammunition that they had at their home. so officials are still probing into all of that. >> rose: some people are asking the question, did they have a series of attacks that they wanted to make and that something happened at the party, and, therefore, they decided to pursue that and later go on to do other attacks? what's the thinking about their planning? >> that's still, i think, an open question here. they certainly had enough ammunition and weapons to carry out multiple attacks, and, you know, to have the mass atrocities of the shooting be much worse had they, you know, been able to continue carrying them out. so i think that's the fear here. we still don't know whether they were planning-- whether that
holiday party perhaps a dispute at that holiday party was kind of the tipping point for the shooting. we just don't know yet. >> rose: turning now to politics. the mass shootings in san bernardino has brought the issue of gun control back to the halls of congress and to the campaign trail. here with me now is high. he is managing editor of bloomberg politics and the cohost of "wulw all due respect." thank you, sir, for coming. you have been around politics enough to know after these mass shootings everybody says, "what are we going to do?" >> and they don't do anything. >> rose: nothing changes about guns, nothing changes about much things, and the next one happens and we go through the cycle again. as a person who covers culture in america and politics, is this going to be different? >> i don't think it will be
different at all. we saw yesterday the-- a couple measures put forward on gun control in the senate as attempted riders on bills. dianne feinstein wanted to make it so that if you were on the terrorist watch list-- meaning you can't-- on the no-fly list-- you wouldn't be able to buy a gun. >> rose: that's the point the president has made, too. >> a point the president has made. defeated, out of hand, knocked away. joe marchion and -- >> joe marchion a democrat. >> who after newtown had put up the idea of universal background checks so they would apply to gun shows as well as gun stores, that idea was a big part of a big package of gun control, gun safety measures that got put up,aise said, in the wake of newtown. got rejected then, got rejected again yesterday. basically the same way, republicans all voting against, democrats voting for, with a couple of exceptions on the universal background checks, four republicans who sided with the democrats but not enough to
matter. the republican refrain on this which is the second amendment trusms all. we should enforce existing laws. we're not enforcing them well enough. and we need more work on mental health-- some of which have merit. we enforce existing laws. the question is whether that's enough. democrats go further and say the fact that we've had 352, i believe, this year, mass shootings in america, a rate of more than one a day. >> rose: and the fact that we're-- we have more gun violence than any other country in the world. >> in the world, yes. and yet the power of the gun lobby, the power of the gun industry in this country and the way that our house and senate work make it impossible, basically, apparently, to pass meaningful legislation to change it. >> rose: will it be a big issue in the campaign? >> i don't think it will be a big issue in the came in the sense it's one of those wrooshz-- this is not an issue where-- this is not an issue where there's a-- what's shocking about this issue is that there's not that much disagreement. most of the of these proposals that democrats put forward have
the support of 80% or 85%-- these gun safety measures like the ones that got rejected yesterday-- have the support of, like, 85% of americans and the support of the majority gun ownerownersowners and n.r.a. med that doesn't seem to change the calculus that governs the way legislation works. so, yes, hillary clinton is going to talk a lot about this and has been talking a lot about this. she has been very upfront about gun control, bernie sanders talks. it a lot. the democratic side will talk about it a lot. they think the calculus is changing electorally in the country. i'm not sure that is true but there will be some discussion of it, for sure. fhether it will be the kind of scuks diswugz that ultimately rises to salience where people actually vote on the issue, i'm not sure about that. >> rose: the fight against isis is heating up this week. britain has joined the air war in syria and on the ground, the
pentagon is sending a specialized force to conduct raids and targeting missions against isis in syria and iraq. that team will include intelligence analyst and 100 to 150 members of the army's delta force and navy seals. are they enough to make a difference? and what else should be done? r actingell is a for director of the c.i.a., and deputy director. >> it's the part of the c.i.a. and n.s.a. and the intelligence community to penetrate the leadership of isis just to know what they're doing, just to know what they're planning, what they're thinking, what their capabilities are, who they're in contact with, et cetera. so that you can find out what they're doing and stop it. >> rose: and know what they plan to do six months from now. >> that's one piece of the intelligence responsibility here. the other piece of the intelligence responsibility, charlie, is to collect intelligence on exactly where these guys are and where they're going to be at a certain moment
in time so that our special forces, either by capturing them or killing them, can remove them from the battlefield. so that's what the president has just done, right, is to ramp up the number of guys on the ground who are going to be able to go after senior isis officials and remove them from the battlefield, hopefully capture them because you get more intelligence. >> rose: that's the purpose of the special operations forces on the ground, intended on the ground in iraq and syria. >> i the primary purpose of them is to go after and remove the leadership in as rapid succession as possible. now, in order to do, that you need that intelligencey talked about. but once you start, it becomes self-sustaining. that's whus we saw in iraq and that's what we saw in afghanistan, and why is it self-sustaining? because when you capture somebody, you bring them back and you interrogate them. and you also get his pocket letter, whether it's actual paper or a phone or a computer or an ipad. so you have all of that
information and you're interrogating him, and that turns into new intelligence on other guys that you can then turn around and action. so intelligence gets you started. the operations then begin and then it stns the intelligence. that's what we're trying to acheech here. >> rose: your definition this is boots on the ground? >> so boots on the ground is-- is -- >> boots on the ground. >> in the eye of the beholder, right? it really is. then you get to what these new guys are going to be doing and they're going to be conducting raids to capture and kill people. they're going to be in combat. they're going to be -- >> and some will be killed. >> they're going to be shot at and they're going to be shooting people. >> rose: and there will be casualties. >> there will be casualties, right. boots on the ground? yeah, i'd say so. >> rose: but, see, that's what the president was referring to when he said that's what my definition is. >> these guys are not going to take a whole territory. i don't think u.s. infantry guys in the thousands holding and
taking territory in syria and iraq is the answer to this, right. i don't believe that. but i fear that a paris-style attack here could lead us down that road. >> rose: because the public would demand it. >> because the public would demand it. >> rose: why don't you think it's the right thing to do? >> because we learned, right, in both afghanistan and iraq that taking the territory is really easy. holding it is somewhat easy, a little bit more challenge, "but somewhat easy. >> rose: difficult and expensive. >> but turning it over to somebody else who can control it from that point on is very, very, very hard. somebody who can control is in a stable way is very, very, very hard. so what's the end game, right? what's the end game of a u.s. invasion of iraq and syria that's successful, right, in pushing-- pushing isis from holding territory back into the safe houses and, you know, back into the mountains?
what's the end game? who's going to come in and take over and be in charge and have a security force capable of ultimately holding it so we can go home, right? it's that end game that becomes very, very, very difficult. >> rose: world leaders were gathered in paris this week for the u.n. conference on the climate. protesters gathered outside the conference, while inside, negotiations continued on steps to reduce worldwide greenhouse gas emissions. meanwhile, my colleague, nora o'donnell, sat down with president obama to talk about the controversy of climate change as well as his legacy on the issue. >> you can't build a border wall when it comes to carbon emissions or global temperatures or the oceans. and so we've got to make sure that people have incentives to work with us.
>> reporter: how much of your legacy do you want to be about climate change? >>, you know, as i go into my last year, i think about what i've gotten done, what i still haven't gotten done yet. i don't think any president ends the presidency saying, "i got everything done." you're always a little dissatisfied. you always wish, "if i just had a little more time, maybe this would have happened, that would have happened." but i think about it this way-- malia is 17, sasha is 14. every once in a while i tear up thinking about how fast it's going gunn and they're about to go. and i do picture that if i'm lucky and, you know, i have enough years left that 20 years from now, let's say, and i'm still around, i've got some grand kids, i want to be able to take my little grandson or granddaughter on a walk to the
park and know that the planet's in prettied any shape. >> rose: francine lacqua of bloomberg news joins me now from paris. thank you for doing this. >> hi, charlie. >> rose: tell me what you think they have accomplished at the conference. >> well, charlie, for the moment they're still talking so there's a very big buzz around it. a loof the leaders, a lot of the mayors that we've been speaking to are expecting some kind of agreement. that would be a lot better than that whatwe had in copenhagen in 2009 which was absolutely nothing. but the big question is whether it will be an agreement that will be enough. >> rose: when will we know? >> well, we think-- well, we know for the moment that december the 11th is a cutoff point for comp 21, what we're calling this climate change in paris. but, of course, if they're very close to an agreement they could always extend it by a couple of days. and, charlie, in parallel, you also had a great meeting of mayors. something is happening on the sideline where mayors, big cities are actually going ahead
and cutting emissions, but we still don't know whether the leaders, the nationals, will actually agree on something. >> rose: the president has said that he was hopeful. is there some, in some manner, a sense that we cannot fail. we failed at copenhagen, but we cannot fail now? >> there is, and i think the real turning point from copenhagen is that now, china, that was really in copenhagen, the reticence. they were probably the country that held back the most, wants to be a leader. china has a crucial role to play in this, and the change in attitude since copenhagen has been quite remarkable. >> rose: hillary clinton is currently the front-runner for the democratic presidential momination. this week, the former secretary of state sat down with me in washington for her first interview since the terror attacks in paris.
we began our conversation with her plans for deeffect isis. >> we need to get over the false choice between either going after assad or going after isis. >> rose: help us understand that, because everybody is talking about that. >> you know -- >> how do you do both? w paid a big price because ofeng the bomb and their jet coming from sharmle shake so they've lost people to isis. i think we say look, we need, if not your active help, your acquiescence in what we're going to do going after isis. so that means you're going to have to pull back from this area while we go after their leadership and their economic infrastructure. but if you want to be part of that, we would welcome you. and you have a dog in this hunt now because you're worried about what's happening in the caucuses. you're worried about isis spreading its ideology. at the same time, we have to
accelerate the political and diplomatic efforts and this is what secretary kerry is trying to do. >> rose: in vienna and everywhere else. >> in vienna and everywhere. and there has to be more willingness on the part of russia and iran to take a hard look at how we prioritize. right now, we're not going to see a military defeat of assad. that's not going to happen. it might have been possible a few years ago. it's not going to happen now. you're going to continue to see russia from the air, iran from the ground, where iranian soldiers are dying on behalf of assad. you're going to see them continue it try to hold the territory they have and push back against the opposition. so part of what we have to do is say, along, you've got to help us get to a political and diplomatic solution, and you've got to either get out of the way or come on board with respect to isis. and we have to be very clear about that. >> rose: a no-fly wroan is one way-- one place where you and the president disagree on policy with respect to syria. where else do you differ? >> i'm arguing for perhaps a
greater, quicker intensification of the work that i think needs to be done. i agree with the president's point that we're not putting american combat troops back in to syria or iraq. we are not going to do that. i think that should be a nonstarter. oth because i don't think it's the smartest wnk to go after isis. i think it gives isis a new recruitment tool if we get back in the fight. whereas if we are equipping and supporting the kurds, if we get the sunni tribes back in the fight, then we can do a lot to make sure that works. >> rose: "45 years" is a new film starring charlotte rampling opposite rue d tom courtney. the film's director and wrierlt
is andrew haigh. >> i came across the short story that this is based on by cave -- >> in another country. >> in another country. and it's a very short story, the idea of this past love being found. >> rose: and it 4-b preserved because it was frozen. >> frozen in the ice. >> rose: because of the accident with the ice. >> exactly. what i love is this echo from the past, the echo of the past leaking into the presence. >> they found her. you know who i'm talking about, don't you. >> and disrupting this seemingly stable and comfortable marriage, and the effect that that had on these two people in the present day. and that was kind of what drew me to the story and just being able to explore relationships in that context, explore relationships that had been going for such a long time. >> rose: and had so much to them. >> and had so much to them. >> rose: love, this was ais great relationship. >> yeah. >> rose: and then all of a sudden the discovery that there was a girlfriend.
how could that do that damage to a 45-year-old marriage? >> well, i guess-- it's like-- it's like a sequence of things that happens when you open a box, you know, when you open almost like a pandora box, and things start to-- start to creep out, things that you've perhaps kept-- kept secret but not really kept secret. just haven't talked about is really what it is. he just hasn't really talked about it. it's not a really kept secret. you just don't talk about things. >> rose: and that's the danger here. >> it seems to be, in one way, yeah. >> rose: people think they have a great relationship but there are things they never talk about that are deep within both of them. >> exactly. and i think it's also about when anybody focuses to strongly and the relationship you have with someone it can very easily fall apart or lose its mean when you go start to see it in a different light. what both of the characters do is they start looking at what they've built together and see it in a different way and it
starts to throw kate off balance. it isn't just about this girl. it's about how her husband felt about this girl. it's about what would have happened if this girl hadn't dieed. >> rose: that was before her. >> i think that's interesting is she even knows that. she's like, "why am i worrying about this? >> you don't know that you would even think about that or worry about that if you had reasonably or rationally worried about it. why would i worry about a girl my husband had loved two years before i knew him? u can say why is it a problem now? why has this been brought up into the surs fasnow. >> rose: let me ask you, can you imagine that being a problem in your life. >> as andrew says, when suddenly a different light is put on it, yes, it can be. that's what's so extraordinary about life is how if you just shift things a little bit and you shift your point of view on to something, it can change, and it can change dramatically. and then it can-- can change other things because it's changed. so there's a scwaens of
co-do-do-do-do, things changing. >> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday's the annual kennedy center honors. monday is the day the grammy award nominations are announced. tuesday is the day the pope celebrates the feast of the immaculate conception. wednesday is the day "time" magazine announces its person of the year. thursday is the day the nobel peace prize is presented in oslo. friday is the deadline for the congress to avoid another government shutdown. saturday is the 116th army-navy football game. and here is what's new for your weekend: a lost album by the late roy orbison is being released. it is called "one of the lonely ones."
arare "a very merry christmas" premieres on netflix. >> it is seeming more like a chris-mess. >> i have george clooney. >> you saw "monument's men?" >> i was in it. >> you were so good in that. >> you were great! >> rose: and of monsters and men headline the big-ticket music festival in jacksonville, florida. ♪ ♪ >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you next time.
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