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gwen: candidates descend on wisconsin and reveal more about what kind of president they'd be. but the practical consequences to confirm a ninth ti tie breaking supreme court justice. tonight on "washington week." believe in punishment for abortion? yes or no? is there: the answer has to be some form of punishment. obsolete. it's over 60 years old. it is, many countries doesn't terrorism. >> you're running for president of the united states. it. didn't start >> sir, with all due respect, that's the argument of a 5-year-old. >> i didn't start it. the argument of a 5-year-old is he started it. gwen: just when you thought this any mored not get weird, brawls break out. >>
secretary clinton: donald trump showing us exactly who he is and we should believe him. complicatedn't be that members of the campaign staff should not be physically assaulting the press. nominee is somebody i think is dividing the country, i them.stand behind >> secretary hillary clinton and i have very strong differences of opinion. the: at the supreme court, justices face their first big 4-4 divide as more to meet thee up president's nominee, merrick garland. this week, david sanger of "the times," jeff zeleny of cnn, and joan biskupic with reuters. >> award-winning reporting and analysis. as it happens.y live from our nation's capitol,
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than past weeks? candidates on both sides of the aisle began to face up to trumpian reality. he is leading in delegates, trailing in the latest polls and next-up wisconsin and he is incredibly unpopular in national surveys. he won't promise to stay in the party if he loses. to pledgecontinue whoever the republican nominee is? mr. trump: no, i don't anymore. don't? mr. trump: no. gwen: trump did accomplish something remarkable, managing to get anti-abortion and abortion rights activists to agree on something, that he was wrong when he suggested women if they wereished to have an illegal abortion. his opponents pounced. commander-in-chief and leader of the free world, you don't get do-overs, you need to get it right first time. >> donald doesn't have any answers. jobs.ks about listen, we all agree we want more jobs.
donald, how do we get more jobs america? theld's answer is, we wave magic wand and sprinkle pixie dust. pixielet's start with dust. is that what we've come to expect, dan? dan: i don't know if it's pixie dust. think there's a little bit in the last two weeks of the clothes,ot having many at least in terms of trump's ability to either lay out a coherent philosophy or articulate the details of whether it's domestic or foreign policy issues. it obviously caught everybody's attention on the abortion issue he simply for how far out went in talking about punishment for a woman who has an abortion, quickly he pulled it back and that he had to do two statements to try to get himself of whathin the bounds is acceptable to either side. talked to today he john dickerson at cbs and basically said two different things. on one hand, yes, i think the laws should stay as
are, on the other hand, abortion is murder. dan: he's looking for a safe soce to talk about abortion today in his interview with john was, this is settled law essentially so there's nothing i can do but when pressed on the question of is abortion murder, yes, he believes it is. but this isn't the only issue, able to explain in a few minutes. so i think he's been through the of hisst weeks candidacy. and what it has done, i think, is emboldened his opponents -- particularly ted cruz and to some extent john kasich, and all of the people who think there might be a way to prevent him from becoming the nominee. gwen: david, since you had a this being one of the worst two weeks of his candidacy, in your interview purely on foreign policy, it felt like he was for straws aping lot of the time.
think thet did and i reason was that as he says himself, he's been in business, buildingsbuilding around the world, he's been "the apprentice" and when you're doing that, you or't think about alliances nuclear weapons so when he's asked about these things, his novo,s are frequently de he's coming to this without any briefings. usually at this point in a theregn, march or april, are big stacks of briefing books and the candidate's supposed to be going through them if they have time. gwen: let's talk about the nuclear part. was ok -- he wouldn't rule out using nuclear weapons europe. most presidents would not take things off the table but this extreme. he also said it wouldn't bother him if japan and south korea had nuclear weapons. aren't we supposed to be moving in the opposite direction? david: we are and washington finished two days of nuclear
security summit that were all to limit both nuclear materials and keeping more nations from getting nuclear weapons. was interesting how he got there, gwen. he had not talked about nuclear and when my colleague, aggie abram and i finally got chance to do 100 minutes on foreign policy, he started talking, as he has many times to pullabout the need back from our alliance with japan, if they don't pay more. already pay more than most allies. so what i said to him was, look, that, then japan's going to be less certain about our nuclear umbrella over them go off to build weapons. do you have any problem with that? i don't think, based on the answer, that it's something he spent much time thinking about before and so he said, i don't have a problem with that. and you saw president obama hard today attty the news conference at the end summit.uclear
the point ofises what preparation he has. seemed unaware that roe v. wade was the law of the land. of preparation that went into this. does this raise the prospect of open convention? all mounting evidence that he might not get to the point that he wants to be? gwen: if i can piggyback on that, two weeks ago, republicans seemed like they were coming idea that he might be the nominee, mainstream republicans. but now this week i felt a shift. i think there has been a shift and it's psychological in some ways. be mathematical. wisconsin has a primary on tuesday. cruz ahead at ted this point. that could be a psychological not ag point if mathematical one. i think donald trump is somebody instinct andon often his instincts are pretty good, as we've seen in this on these issues, those instincts have failed him
and they've failed him pretty in recent weeks and i think it does create a heightened sense among would wens about what be in for in the fall if he is the nominee and if you get to an convention, i think that table.s even more on the david: what is it about wisconsin that might be different? just that it happens to be voting next week and all of this they're getting first crack at this or is it something different about the what they'veonsin, been exposed, they're rejecting in some respect. talk radio is not pro trump in wisconsin. what's you make of happened to him there? dan: i think there are several factors on wisconsin. one is it's an open primary where he normally does well and the opposite occurring. gwen: which means anybody can vote. dan: anybody can vote. your point on talk radio. talk radio has been very hard on
him. in wisconsin is much more allied with the republican party establishment and the republican party establishment, as we know from 2010 going 2010 being when scott inker was elected, the party wisconsin has been more integrated between tea party and so there is that cohesiveness but this is a state that ought to be better for it appears to be. it's not the iowa caucuses. more like michigan. and he did well there and he's toing trouble and i think some extent it's that cruz has worked the state very effectively but to some extent i has to do with what people are seeing and hearing attacks fromtant talk radio and now governor walker who's endorsed ted cruz. lot building up against him and he hasn't had a good way to conquer it. the things dan just mentioned is what happens with
the establishment g.o.p. and trump. how much do his foreign policy ideas, to the extent they're thought through -- how much did they align with mainstream g.o.p.? david: his solutions don't align at all. some of his prescriptions of hearhas gone wrong, you echoes of in both democrats and republicans. arabia says that saudi has been not holding up its part, not fighting isis the way forth, it's not all that far from barack obama saying that saudi arabia is a free rider which he said a few weeks ago. that presidentis obama has a way of trying -- whether it works or not -- to saudis back into the fold. immediately donald trump moves --an economical clus that calculus, that if you say you'll from saudi oil arabia -- gwen: a deal making calculus.
david: it's a deal making calculus for every relationship that ignores or has until now there are other values to alliances, that we put our theps out in asia or in middle east because there's an advantage to us to have them brings deployed, that it us intelligence, it puts us closer to potential trouble it keeps thet peace. gwen: the thing i want to make sure we talk about is one of the is he about donald trump sticks his heels in sometimes and no matter what you can't get and that happened this week when his campaign manager was charged with simple up ary for roughing reporter and he would not back down at all. dan: quite the opposite. he doubled down, tripled down. quadrupled down. was in janesville, wisconsin, where he had a rally that and he went right at that issue with the audience you couldon one hand say it's admirable he wasn't
him, he saiddon i'm not going to ruin his life over this but on the other hand you would think under these circumstances that something would have done in which awandowski would have taken leave of absence. gwen: the instinct is to say, going to do it. dan: he made the allegation that the reporter reached out with a grab him.ied to gwen: well, next week -- even democrats cannot resist the lure trump. bernie sanders and hillary clinton are still sparring with becomingr but it's clear each would rather train their fire on the person they flawed potential nominee. clinton, with her eye on the competition coming up in new released this ad this week. >> when some say we can solve problems by building walls, banning people based on and turning against each other, well, this is new york and we know better.
gwen: sanders has taken a page from trump's book, boasting selectively about polls. senator sanders: what momentum is about is that in poll after poll we are defeating donald numbers!double-digit gwen: so, are they battling each other? or are they looking ahead to the fight, jeff? jeff: yes. first and foremost, they are each other.ng there's no question that hillary clinton is at this moment in time in a lead in delegates but there's also no question that as april 1, this is not where the campaign thought it would be. a joke.is is not jeff: right, it's not a joke and they realize it's not a joke. the new the night of hampshire primary when she lost new hampshire so big, a campaign went out around 8:00 p.m. that evening and arrived in our in-boxes before she conceded and it was designed to calm any
and therepporters were a lot of them that said the inflation is not won in february. be won inssential march. we are in april and the is still -- nomination not won. yes, she has a lead. far away.eems so jeff: being on the road this week with both candidates in york, you're new struck by both of them are making an electability argument. a foil.rump is sort of hillary clinton is running that ad in new york. it's not as much about donald trump but it's about bernie sanders. she would not run that ad in new york city, spending the money it in new york ads city if she was not trying to show democrats i'm the one who can beat donald trump, i'm the most electable person. his biggest hurdle so far has to convince people to take a leap of faith with me. you kind of like what you see thethe disruption on republican side, let's have a little bit of disruption over here so that's why he talks numbers. poll i asked him why he was talking about poll numbers.
he said people have to know i win and that is the big hurdle here but it's interesting to which both are talking about electability but there are tensions in the race. may have seen the video where an environmental activist yesterday asked her a question about why she's accepting money fossil fuel industry. she does accept money from who make their livelihood from these corporations and she said i'm sick of sanders lying about me so it is tense out there tonight. joan: the question you asked about wisconsin, what makes it distinct about new york. we have thought new york would have been more predictable than this and isn't taking a leap are of faith more than we expected? jeff: not in a long time since 1988 has there been such a competitive new york primary but she has is suddenly -- to win new york and every indication right now is that she is leading in new york.
she's up by 12 points or so in most limited polling available but the new york primary is a closed primary, unlike wisconsin where anyone can pick up a republican ballot or democratic ballot. it's closed, designed to protect so establishment candidate you had to be a registered voter by march 25 if you want to vote april 19 primary. i was at a rally last night in the south bronx. 18,000 people for bernie sanders. a question has been is he able attract a diverse group of supporters. last night in new york, he was.utely it's new york city, of course it's diverse. 2008.is is different than in 2008, california, new york, new jersey were at the front end on super tuesday in february. now the reason he is staying in, all these delegates are still sitting out there, these big states are still to come. assume for a minute that hillary clinton makes a
pass in the math here. you've seen all the excitement, you mentioned including last night's rally. do those people go? we assume they go to hillary clinton. do they go to hillary clinton enthusiasm? jeff: it's a great question. the person who may be able to them there may not be hillary clinton as much as donald trump should he become the republican nominee. that's the clinton campaign, they kind of believe people will thinkgainst trump but i the democrats out there who support bernie sanders i think will support hillary clinton. he's brought a lot of new people into the system who simply don't like her politics and believe time for a change so there will be a lot of healing to be done, i think more than in 2008. gwen: we had a taste this week the supremee of court, a dispute over public employee unions that almost certainly would have been decided if there had been nine justices, ended in deadlock. circumstance,ual the court appeared to be seeking compromise that would allow them
to settle the latest challenge healthcare law. joan, which of those two was more significant? labor union case definitely, gwen. but those two incidents you referred to signal that this is a court that's very much on pause and the justices butselves don't like it first, for the union case, this is something that was argued the justicesd when took up this challenge to california -- group of teachers who didn't want to have to pay what are known as fair share fees. thehey don't want to join union, they still had to pay some money because of the collective bargaining the union do.d challenges on first amendment speech rights, and the justices asked for this case to come up there because the conservative majority with been chomping had at the bit for this case. it argues in january. court willke the side with the challengers and say you don't have to pay these fees which would undercut the power of unions. lo and behold, a month later,
february 13.a dies they're deadlocked and stacks of briefs, they end up issuing a one-sentence opinion that says the lower affirmed by a is divided court. and so what stands is the ruling in favor of the unions and that's that. gwen: amazing. >> how many other 4-4 cases are way?ng our joan: this is where it gets to justices don't want that. chief justice john roberts would have so many 4-4 cases. gwen: he didn't like 5-4 cases. joan: he wanted broader majorities to look like there was more consensus but we have four liberal members and four conservative members so they are whatocked naturally but they seem to be trying to do with the order that gwen the affordable care act birth control case is to say you litigants, help us compromise here, help us figure out a way that we can we can help usy,
help you kind of thing because they don't want that but we've votingrtion coming, a rights case -- affirmative action is the one case you will a 4-4 split. you know why? it was heard without justice there are seven members of that court so that's one ruling there.a >> these conversations are linked, who becomes the next president. what does that have to do with the chances for merrick garland at least getting a hearing? and what is the state of that? a couple of republican senators at least are calling for a hearing. mark kirk of illinois is. gwen: we have sound from mark with judge garland this week. do our jobwe should and make sure that as the put forward judge himand, we should give advice and consent. gwen: he went on to say the
colleagues that were close minded not to meet with him. republican collins, of maine, will meet with him next week, according to the schedule, but we're not seeing a of republicans lining up and there's a formidable barrier in mcconnell who before justice scalia's death was barely confirmed immediately meetings,arings, no no way. i think we're into next year. >> joan, assuming that they don't vote and that we are into next year, why is the white so desperate at this point to get hearings going? to have some kind of hearing for garland? joan: they believe that when merrick garland introduces himself to the american people through televised hearings, that folks will say, look, he's moderate. here? the threat there's no reason to hold him back. right wing like justice scalia but he doesn't seem to be the kind of person who would rule in an extreme way. it seems like there is a sense
because he actually is about the most centrist individual that president obama named given president -- prioritiess for for the bench so they feel it's another step of progress him to senators and to americans and once you have hearings it would be easier to a senate vote even in the lame duck session. gwen: what do you think will happen? to predict.so hard gwen: i know. joan: because of mitch mcconnell. if mitch mcconnell wasn't there, down that marker, i would say that they would make progress because the white house made some progress, already made progress with republicans. made it aobama has major priority. but i actually think we'll be januaryaround here in of 2017 with an eight-justice court. gwen: oh, joy. thank you all very much. thank you, as well. we have to go now but as always, continuessation online, on the "washington week"
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