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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight, a greek island that has welcomedha thousands of migrants prepares to welcome the pope. but some question whether his trip will do any good. >> ( translated ): we consider that the pope's visit is little more than a public relations exercise, which will not provide any real solution to the refugee problem facing not only my island and country but also extending to europe. >> woodruff: and it's friday. mark shields and david brooks are here, to analyze last night's fiery democratic debate, as is the chairman of the republic national committee, reince priebus, to discuss the strains in the g.o.p. then: ♪ ♪ violinist rachel barton pine takes classical music to unexpected places, and people.
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>> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: it is the final weekend before the all-important new york primary, and the presidential candidates, democrats and republicans alike, were on the go today. most traveled to towns and cities across the empire state. one traveled half a world away. john yang has the story. >> bernie! bernie! bernie! >> reporter: they cheered bernie sanders in rome-- but it was italy, not new york. his visit to the vatican came just hours after the most
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combative democratic debate yet, back in brooklyn. >> i am sure a lot of people are very surprised to learn that you supported raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. >> you know, wait a minute... wait a minute. >> ( inaudible ) >> -- wait, wait... >> that's just not accurate. well... >> come on, i have stood on the debate stage... >> -- well and i... >> -- with senator sanders eight-- times. >> excuse me. >> i have said the... >> well... >> exact same thing. >> secretary, senator, please. >> if we can...raise it to $15 in new york...or los angeles or seattle... >> sec >> i have said the... >> well... >> exact same thing. >> secretary, senator, please. >> if we can...raise it to $15 in new york...or los angeles or seattle... >> secretary, the viewers... >> -- let's do it. >> if you're both screamg at each other, the viewers won't be able to hear either of you. >> reporter: the animosity between sanders and hillary clinton was clear, as theyree . clashed on the minimum wage-- and her relationship with wall street.la >> i stood up against the behaviors of the banks when i was a senator. i called them out on their mortgage behavior.ca >> secretary clinton called them out. oh my goodness, they must have been really crushed by this.
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( cheers and applause ) and was that before or after you received huge sums of money by giving speaking engagements? >> reporter: clinton called that a "phony attack" and slammed sanders again for voting to shield gunmakers from some lawsuits. >> we hear a lot from senator sanders about the greed and recklessness of wall street, and i agree. we've got to hold wall street accountable...t >> ... thank you... >> ... well, what about the greed and recklessness of gun manufacturers and dealers inof america? >> reporter: today, though, the two candidates were 4,000 miles apart: clinton visiting a senior center in harlem... >> you got my vote. >> reporter: ...and sanders, at a vatican conference, assailing what he called "an economy operated for the top 1%." >> pope francis has called on the world to say "no" to a financial system that rules rather than serves.
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>> reporter: senator sanders did but said his campaign detour was well worth it. the high-profile vatican visitt came just four days before the crucial new york primary-- ay- high-stakes race for both parties. today, all three republican hopefuls fanned out across the empire state. in plattsburgh, frontrunner donald trump kept hammering away, hoping to hold what polls show as a double-digit lead. in binghamton, ted cruz knocked trump's complaining about the delegate selection process. >> it is not surprising when a candidate loses 11 elections in a row, he's unhappy about it. and so he complains and that's fine.la look, we're focused on winning elections with the people. >> reporter: john kasich also campaigned in new york today, with events in watertown and utica.
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for the pbs newshour, i'm john yang. >> woodruff: bernie sanders also said at last night's debate thaa he's releasing his 2014 tax returns. hillary clinton says she'ssh released 30 years of returns, but she declined to issue transcripts of her paid speeches to banks-- unless other candidates do likewise. in the day's other news, president and mrs. obama released their federal tax return for this past year. they paid $81,000 in taxes on income of $436,000. the couple donated 15% of what they made to charity. lawmakers in brazil began debate today on whether to impeach president dilma rousseff. she's accused of corruption, in a political drama that's all but paralyzed the country. impeachment proponents argued today that rousseff's political maneuvering has led to brazil's high inflation and currency devaluations.
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>> ( translated ): which is the most serious crime? a crime where a president puts in her pocket a sum of money?on or that president which, due to the hunger for power, in search of maintaining power, sees no limits in destroying the brazilian economy? >> woodruff: the impeachment charges allege that rousseff doctored her government's financial accounting to winin public support. but defenders, including former president lula da silva, insisted she has done nothing wrong. >> ( translated ): i am convinced that the coup of the impeachment will not be approved. to topple a government that was democratically elected without any proof of any fiscal crime ie not going to fix anything. all it will do is make theit crises even worse. nobody will be able to govern a country with 200 million people, without being legitimized by thg popular vote. >> woodruff: the house vote there is slated for sunday.d if it passes, the brazilian
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senate would decide whether to hold a trial of rousseff. north korea tried today to launch a mid-range missile-- one with a capacity able topa reach u.s. bases in japan and guam-- but it blew up. the pentagon called it a c "catastrophic" failure. the missile test came as the north celebrated the birthday oa the late kim il-sung, founder of the communist state. his grandson, kim jong-un, is the current leader of northor korea. a powerful new earthquake has hit southern japan, on the heels of one that killed nine peoplene thursday night. there were no immediate reports of casualties this time. nhk television showed the moment the shaking began, early saturday morning, and triggered a tsunami advisory. the alert was later lifted, but the quake did leave collapsed buildings and cracked roads. 150 countries geared up today for a final push to eliminate polio around the world. the effort begins sunday, and the world health organization
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says it is possible to stop all transmission of the crippling disease within a year. to do that, the campaign will target the last few areas of risk. >> the virus travels without any barrier, so if we do not eradicate the virus, if we don't get rid of it, we will quite rapidly go back to the situation we had before we started the eradication program, and we could have hundreds of thousands of cases of the disease around the world. >> woodruff: there have been only 12 cases of polio reported worldwide this year-- in afghanistan and pakistan. islamist militants there haveer attacked immunization teams, accusing them of being western spies. back in this country, the governor of mississippi signed a law, permitting guns in churches. a holstered gun sat on top of a bible, as governor phil bryant held the signing ceremony. designated church members may be trained to provide armed security for theirty congregations.
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president obama announced today that he will support giving cable tv customers more choices on cable boxes. as it is, most people lease the boxes from a cable company. the federal communications commission wants to let them bum elsewhere-- and possibly, get a better price. the president today also ordered up a report on increasing competition in the industry. on wall street today, the dow jones industrial average lost about 29 points to close at 17,897. the nasdaq fell seven, and the s&p 500 slid two. for the week, all three indexes added nearly 2%. and, it is must-see tv-- in norway-- for those seeking relief from fast-paced daily life. on may 20, public broadcaster nrk will televise the world's strongest tidal current-- for 12 hours-- live and uninterrupted. it is a strait just north of the
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arctic circle, where sea water flows at 25 miles an hour. previous shows included footage of a train ride, a canal cruise and a knitting tutorial-- and all were viewer hits. maybe we should try that here. still to come on the newshour:st microsoft's president explains why his company is suing the department of justice; o g.o.p. chair reince priebus on the rules for selecting a presidential nominee; mark shields and david brooks take on the week's news; a preview of the pope's visit to preview of the pope's visit to a refuge camp in lesbos-- can he make a real difference? and, how violinist rachel barton pine became an evangelist fort classical music. >> woodruff: now, a high-profile
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showdown between a tech giant and the government over use and access of private data. this time, it's microsoft.cr yesterday, the company filedd suit against the department of justice in federal court.. microsoft argues it's unconstitutional for the government to ask for customers' personal data or emails-- in most cases, without the individual's knowledge. the company says it's received more than 5,600 requests for such data from the government in the last year-and-a-half, often from the cloud or remote servers. and nearly half of those requests come with a ban from the government on alertingnt customers. brad smith is the president of microsoft. he joins me from its headquarters in redmond, washington. welcome to the program, brad smith. i do want to point out we invited the department of justice to joind the intervw but they declined.ne let me begin by asking you what is the federal government doing that microsoft doesn't like?
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>> what gives us concern is the fact we've received almost 5,600 gag or secrecy orders over the last 18 months. over two-thirds of them have no end date at all. so it means that we are permanently prohibited from telling customers that the government has accessed, read and obtained copies of their e-mails. we feel that infringes on the constitutional rights of consumers and businesses to be secure from unreasonable government searches. it infringes on our first amendment right to speak, to share information with our customers. >> woodruff: we know the justice department has not responded to the lawsuit, have not said anything publicly, but in the past they've said these are investigations that involve criminals, people who are breaking the law, that are perhaps involved in potential terrorist acts. why not work with the governmenn when they're trying to go after
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the bad guys? >> this is an issue that we've discussed with various officials in government for some time and we readily recognize that there are many cases where there should be some kind of secrecy, that there is a real danger if information is disclosed, but we feel that these kinds of secrecy orders have become too routine. they're being issued in cases that involve businesses as well as consumers, and it especially concerns us that there is no end date.. let's face it -- forever is a long time, even military secrets are declassified eventually. why should we have a country where people will never learn that the government has accessed their e-mails? >> well, i was reading today that some investigators who've worked on, i guess in this area, have said that if you notified people who are being investigated, you run the risk that they are going to change their communication pattern, they're going to tamper with
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evidence, they may even try to leave the country. what about that? >> well, that really goes to the point that, yes, there are times when a non-disclosure order is a sensible thing to do, but the law in this case doesn't, in our view, require the government to make the kind of compelling showing that it should and, hence, the government is getting these kinds of orders in too many cases, and even in cases where this kind of secrecy is needed, eventually the need for secrecy goes away and yet, even then, people will never learn that the government accessed their email and that, as much as anything, really once, we think, right into the constitutional protections we all should enjoy. >> woodruff: brad smith, what do you say to those who look at this and say well, this is just an effort to do what's good for business rather than what's good for the american people, for the american government? >> well, i think this is fundamentally about what is good for people and their right, it
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is good for technology, it is good for businesses who are customers as well, whose e-mails are being read, but most importantly, i think it's about one thing, about ensuring the kinds of values that we've had in this country under the constitution for 230 years remain intact even as technology changes and information we've long stored on paper is nowñr stored in the cloud, instead.st >> woodruff: did you thinki about another course of action other than filing suit?i did you try to sit down with the government and talk to them about what they're doing? >> we've had multiple conversations about these and similar issues, and this lawsuit does not for an instant mean those kinds of conversations should come to an end. i definitely believe that ultimately across the technology sphere, it's going to take a lot of good discussion to find new solutions. but we've found in recent cases
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that things were going the wrong way, not the right way, and there does come a point where you just have to put a stake in the ground and say that these constitutional rights matter, and we need the courts to intervene. >> is there a middle ground, though? is there something, some level of information the government could share with you that would make you comfortable turning this individual's e-mails over to them without notifying the individual? >> i think we always have to ask ourselves at the end of the day, is there some kind of middle ground that might emerge? and i think the answer is probably yes. if we look at other statutes and other areas of federal law,w there is typically a right for the government in the right circumstances to keep something secret for 30 days or 90 days, and if the need continues, the government can go back and has to make its case before a magistrate yet again.. i think that if we could move this area of the law to be more like that kind of area, we'd
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find a middle ground emerge. >> woodruff: and, finally, there are some looking at this saying, is this some kind of turning point in this larger tech industry -- battle with the government on the part of the tech industry over privacy, over the citizens' privacy?ri >> well, i think we're living in a time when it feels like there is a turning point every other month. when i step back from it all, i think what we're seeing is this evolution of technology, people storing things digitally, storing them in data centers, and across the board, whether in government or you're in the tech sector, we're all trying to find a path so that the traditional values we've had in this country, the traditional rights we've enjoyed will remain so that information that's stored in the cloud gets the same kind of protection as information stored on paper. that, i think, is what we need to continue to seek. >> woodruff: brad smith,
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president of microsoft, we thank you for talking with us. >> thank you. >> woodruff: today, republican presidential front runner donald trump continued to attack his own party's process for choosing a presidential nominee-- a system he says is rigged. for more on that, the chairmanan of the republican national committee, reince priebus, joins me now. reince priebus, we welcome you to the program. whawewhat do you say?y donald trump has been saying this for days and i heard him say it again in syracuse, new york, just a few hours ago. what do you say? i mean, this is ao very serious charge he's making, that the process is crooked. >> well, i don't know howow serious the charge is, and i'm not sure how much is rhetoric, but the truth is that the process is the same process it's
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been for decades. the reality is no one actually cared about how delegates were allocated. each state has the opportunity to choose the method by which they allocate delegates to the national convention.ñi some states have primaries, some states have caucuses and some states have actual conventions where delegates are voted on. these are things that have been set in place since october of 2015. all the candidates have been briefed. they have all been aware of the rules, out there for the whole world to see. there is nothing mysterious about it. by the way, no one complained either before colorado, beforelo the result. it was only after the results did we get a single complaint about the process. >> well, let me read -- you're familiar with this, but let me read you what donald trump said about colorado. he said, when i joined the campaign in june, he said, they had a system. he said, after they saw i was going to win in colorado, he said, they changed the system. he said the people in colorado didn't know their votes were going to be taken away from
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them. >> and that statement has been debunked by many people. colorado had a convention the last time. colorado used to have what we call beauty contests -- in other words, they weren't elections,le it was a straw poll that didn't award any delegates to anyone, so it had no value, no use of a straw poll, so they dumped the straw poll and went to the straight' up convention. by the way, 60,000 people,0 competed in colorado in the precinct level contest. then those people moved to a county contest. then those people moved to a congressional district contest. and then they moved to a state convention contest, where all the candidates participated. they had surrogates speaking. no one along the way said, hey, i don't really like the way this is going. i don't really like this kind of system. >> i was going to say, but it is the case, if you look at state after state after state, the process is different in
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virtually every one of the 50 states. it's not a simple thing. you have to be some kind of an expert to understand all this. is it really democratic anymore? and i mean with a small "d." >> of course it is. it's the same method we have been using, and the democrats use the same delegate method. we're not a public entity. we're an organization that is made up of members across the country and state parties. state parties have a right to determine how each of their delegates get to go to the national convention. you c know, 150 years ago, delegates ran in the states and they just went to the convention and they voted, and they sat rules and vote for officers. it's a real convention.nt it's not a four-day party. it's just no one ever watches what's happens during the day at these conventions when rules are voted on and there is actual business that goes on. it'sçó no different than when te
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boy scouts or the kiwan nays have an election. they get together, vote on officers and have an election. >> woodruff: but mr. trump and others have made the point thatt the person who gets the most votes in a primary or caucus does not end with the most delegates or at least a high proportion of the delegates, something smells. >> but they do end up with the most delegates. in the case of florida, donald trump won in mid 50% of the vote, he won 100% of the delegates. i didn't hear any complaining about that. the reality is the bound delegates that are awarded to t the candidates are absolutely bound to those candidates. they don't lose that support. they are bound to the candidate, no matter what, even if they don't like the candidate, they have to vote for that candidate. the problem that you're hearing being complained about is who's getting the unbound delegates, and that is an issue of each
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campaign going into each of these states and competing for those unbound delegates. but they're not losing anything, unbound delegates to the national convention, not one thing. >> i think not everybody understands the difference between bound and unbound, but want to move on and ask you this -- donald trump's central argument is that the american system -- political system is rigged. he talks about it's the consultants, the pollsters, what he calls the party bosses who are running things. he says the politicians have grown rich and powerful, ordinary people are left behindd do you agree with his really central thesis here? >> well, sure.. i think a lot of people agree. i think all the candidates, i think those are themes that i think everyone can relate to. so i don't quarrel with that. but in regard to whether or not a national party has a right to set the rules as to how a
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nominee is chosen from a party is unquestionable.st i mean, these candidates, what are they doing if they are competing to see which one of these people are going to be chosen by the voters and the delegates of our party. one of them is going to be chosen. i'm not competing for one of them. they're competing to join the republican party. they can compete to join whatever party they want to join, but if they want to join the republican party, then they have to play by the rules of the republican party, and i can't imagine any controversy about that whatsoever. >> woodruff: quickly, then, areçó you ruling out somebody being chosen, nominated at the convention who didn't run#y the primaries? >> they'd be chosen -- if a majority of the delegates at the convention choose a person to bo the nominee of our party, theyy, will be the nominee of our party. i find that to bey. highly unlikely.
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i've said that many times. certainly donald trump and ted cruz have great advantages, but ultimately they have to, or john kasich or whoever has to be able to get the majority of delegates on the floor to have the convention to be the nominee of the party, and we will support the nominee at the republican national committee. >> woodruff: reince priebus, chairman of the republican national committee, thank youmm very much. >> you bet. >> woodruff: now we turn to the analysis of shields and brooks. that is syndicated columnist mark shields and "new york times" columnist david brooks. so, mark, what did you make of mr. priebus' comment about donald a trump's complaint? >> reince priebus is right, the state parties choose the rules, establish them. those rules have been set since last august. they're not particularlyul appealing rules in colorado. fewer than 1% of the 900,000 registered republicans of the state even were able to participate in the choice, but those rules have been
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available -- i mean, the irony of this whole thing to me, judy, is that donald trump has run as the guy who's going to be the tough, no-nonsense negotiate. his election sends nervous knees in beijing and tokyo, and here he is getting rolled by the colorado state republican party which, in the last 42 years, has managed to win the governorship with one candidate in 42 years and twice lost the state to barack obama.. if you can't and outnegotiate and outwit, and if you're going to get flummoxed by dwelling with the republican party in ohio -- >> woodruff: donald trump keeps arguing away the process is rigged and crooked.. >> as others pointed out, as a businessman perfectly willing to use the amoral bankruptcy laws to his own advantage and he's getting outfoxed. >> woodruff: did you say
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amoral laws? >> the laws are the way they are. i think, a, they're in touch with the american tradition. we do not live in a straight-up democracy, we live in a republic. we have an electoral college, two senators where the two senators from wyoming have the same as the two from californian and we have a delegate process where it's not a straight-up democracy. it's every big organization, whether general motors or the boy scouts, they have an organization that make the decisions and the more senior have more power than the people who are not. that's for a good reason.e you want a party to have consistency over time, you want it to have a structure where people have to compromise each other and basically have a series of stability so you don't get carried away by momentary fads and demagogues. >> woodruff: is it smart forr donald trump to keep talking about this process? because he's not giving up on
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this line of -- >> i don't think it is.. i mean, it obviously gets a great response from the crowd that it's rigged and this has been obviously a theme of his that the whole system is rigged. the economic system, the political system.m. i don't think donald trump does well as a victim. a i mean, he's the guy that's going to be -- you know, the new sheriff in town. he's going to come in and kick tail and take names. this is where he looks a little bit victimized.mi i don't think it works. p rules of the -- the rules of the parties, i think there is a public interest in how they do it. the democratic party changed after 1968, when it was determined -- a major anti-war movement emerged in that year -- to challenge president johnson's nomination and reelection and turns out half the delegates were chosen two years earlier so the process was not open or available and they made it more
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open and available and it is autonomous to each state to set the rules. colorado did a lousy job setting the ruleset and south carolina d georgia delegates are conspiring to dump him on the second ballot. so there is a legitimate point of view i think he's raised. i don't think it works for him politically. >> woodruff: you agree he doesn't gain anything by this? >> it's an effective argument. if he was winning, he wouldn't be complaining. i would point out as we're more open in our selection process, not sure the candidates are any better -- abraham lincoln was good, franklin roosevelt. >> that's the old smoke-filled rooms. >> i like those. >> woodruff: you're sayingyi it's the only argument he can make at this point. he's bind in delegates figuringg out how to pick up delegates and this is all he can do. >> he has more votes and
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delegates than anybody. i don't think this is a time we pass the hat and hold a benefit for donald trump. he's about to win new york convincingly. he's been ahead inco pennsylvan. i think the people who have been endorsing candidates have been moving in his direction. he's strong than he certainly was when he lost wisconsin. >> to me it's a confusing moment because in the delegate process, ted cruz has not a clear path but a path where if he can deny donald trump the majority on the first ballot and cruz looking good, the delegates keep rackink up for him. but trump is rising in the polls, cruz is dropping, and so you really have a bifurcation. the delegate race looks like it's leaning a little cruz' way but not the vote. so in that sense -- >> his argument is a plausible argument. i mean, the people choosing one way and the delegates going to other. >> woodruff: the democrats,oo there was a pretty wild debate, mark, last night between hillary
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clinton and bernie sanders. what did you make of it? it gotñr hot. >> it did. gone is the cordiality and mutual respect of the earlier debates. this may very well be the last time the two candidates are on the same stage together and couldn't be over quick enough. i think there was an intensitysi in the evening.i if i could make one suggestion of both parties is that you don't have crowds at the debates, pep rally crowds.s. i think it brings out the worst in candidates and they start playing to the room and getting cheers and hoops and hazas and all the rest of it. but, no, hillary clinton and a bernie sanders, neither one came upon it particularly warm or likable, fair to stay. bernie sanders may be the most disciplined candidate i have ever seen.ca he stays on message very well.
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secretary clinton showed herself could take a punch and keep standing. i mean, she certainly is -- there's a toughness about her, but she does not have an answer for the goldman sachs and the speeches and so forth. i mean, i don't know any other candidates for president get a quarter million dollars for speaking at goldman sachs. >> goldman sachs is so the typical for hillary clinton. remember the law firm papers that showed up mysteriously insl the white house on the table? she will delay and delay till it maximally hurts her and then release. she has this pattern of secrecy. i do not think the goldman sachs thing will hurt her in a general election. democratic voters care aboutte that stuff. donald trump would love to be partners with goldman sachs. most independent generalr election voters want most people to work at goldman sachs.hs i don't think that's going to hurt her. i'm sort of truck by the way sanders has not widened his
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critique. a pivotal moment in the campaign is when he didn't go after the e-mails. at that moment, he shut off an avenue. secondly, he could really go on a class critique of her, living in a fancy house, eating in fancy restaurants, she's of the 1%, and that could be a very big social but not only discreet issues like the goldman sachs' speech, on her whole life. he hasn't been as aggressive as he might be. >> woodruff: that would be taking it to a personal level, wouldn't it? >> i will say bernie sanders has been urged to go after the e-mails, and he made the decision not to. that wasn't what his candidacy and his campaign was about, is what he said. and to his credit, what everyone says, he has dominated the conversation. the movement by candidates in this race has been toward bernie sanders' positions, not towardd anybody else's. so, i mean, in that, it was a
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disciplined decision and it was -- and it obviously makes it easy. i agree with david that the goldman sachs transcripts are not of great interest to republican voters in such things. but he could have just belted her on that. he could have run tv spots on that and hasn't. he's chosen not to go at a personal level. >> bhamay be admirable. the movement of the debate, the big issues, the one this time is minimum-wage where she floated to $15. $15 makes sense in san francisco but crazy in large parts to have the country.ve she made that point. she was for $12 minimum-wage. going up to $15 is more than we've done historically and will lead to job losses for the least educated and skilled. nonetheless, that's where the debate is going and she's going after issue after issue.
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>> woodruff: do you think either one materially helped or hurt themselves last night? >> i don't know.ig i think sanders played k well in the room. i don't think he's cracked into her northern-white support in new york or anyplace else. i think his decision to go to rome probably made sense because it plays to his issue. >> meeting ativñ9j to the vatican.7mgm/o the pope, according to the most recent gallup of 64 nations, the most admired figure in the world among catholics, jews, majority approval among gnostics and atheists, you put those four groups together you ought to win a new york democratic primary. if the pope won't endorse you, you endorse the pope. you could say this has been a pope francis primary in the sense of economic inecall the and justice. >> woodruff: somean criticize sanders being off the trail a few days before the new york
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primary. quickly, david, does all this lead to something for bernie sanders? does it help him move toward dethroning? >> it's hard to see where the polls are but it makes her look bad. if you're in your home state being pummeled in this way, it seeps the glow out of her campaign. it's a dogged, dogged race for her. >> woodruff: david brooks, mark shields, thank you both. >> woodruff: pope francis is due to head to the greek island of i lesbos tomorrow to see for himself the extent of theex refugee crisis. he plans to visit a detention camp where some of the migrants are being held, pending possible
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deportation. that's according to terms of a deal signed last month between s the european union and turkey. so, just how important is thisju visit? special correspondent malcolm brabant reports from lesbos. >> reporter: another day of uncertainty begins on an island that once offered hope to hundreds of thousands seeking security, protection or prosperity. but the estimated 4,000 migrants currently stranded on lesbos worry that their foothold in europe is more tenuous than ever. this island is now a place of i despair. human rights groups regard it as an open prison for people desperate to avoid being sent back across the stretch of water that claimed so many lives. george kosmopoulos of amnesty international: >> we hope the visit of the pope will highlight both the solidarity, the great solidarity shown by the greek people and people all over the world to refugees in lesbos, in mytillini. but will also shed some light additionally to the problems, the big problems with regards the implementation of the e.u.-turkey deal, in the rushed attempt of greece to proceed with a deal that is both
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dangerous and illegal in our view. >> reporter: in preparation for the pope's visit, they were whitewashing the walls of the detention camp and covering upin graffiti expressing support for the migrants. whenever dignitaries come to see the refugee crisis for themselves, the greek authorities do what they can to sanitize this situation. when actress and u.n. refugee agency special envoy angelina jolie visited, the razor wire at the detention center was conveniently taken down-- and put back up as soon as she left. now, in the run up to the pope's visit, all the deportations back to turkey have been put on hold. but i'm told by sources at europe's border agency frontex, that they will resume first thing next week. human rights advocates are highly critical of conditions in this so called hot spot, whereer asylum seekers are supposed to be processed. the police weren't keen on us getting too close.ce >> it's not allowed. stop the shooting. >> reporter: why not? >> sir, it's not allowed.
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>> reporter: why not? >> problem. close close. >> reporter: okay, all right. >> reporter: ewa cosse of human rights watch was also prevented from entering to assess conditions inside, but interviewed people through the fence. her organization, along with others, believes the detentions are arbitrary and unjust. >> what's wrong? first, there are large, large numbers of vulnerable groups being detained there.s we interviewed families with young children and people with disabilities, people with mental health problems, pregnant women who are really suffering inside. there are no services since thee implementation of the e.u.- turkey deal n.g.o.'s withdrew from the detention facilities in line with their policies not to work in closed facilities, so there is a big lack of servicesi for these people. >> reporter: an alarm goes off at the phone recharging center at another, more relaxed and better equipped refugee camp.
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it's the muslim call to prayer. sitting nearby is murteza hasainzada a tailor from kabul. having spent $10,000, he arrived in lesbos after europe made it i clear through the deal with turkey that it was no longer wide open to all comers. he's not too sure what the pope can do, but he'll take any help that will stop him from being deported >> i don't want to go back. i say, until they open the borders, i am stay here, and i don't want to go back. >> reporter: the same unwillingness to accept the new reality is evident in a conversation between a visiting danish politician and a palestinian asylum seeker, yousef hammad, who fled gaza after being jailed by the radical hamas government for six months. he also arrived in lesbos aftero europe pulled down the shutters. >> i don't like to think about the situation about going back. maybe like, stay here just good.
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>> reporter: do you really think >> reporter: denmark's former center left interior minister morten ostergaard is concerned that asylum seekers' rights under international law are possibly being breached, but doubts whether pope francis is the catalyst for change. >> at least what i think the pope can do is to shed a bit of hope on the people who are desperate, but politically, it's up to people like me and political leaders in the european union to make a difference. we can't leave that to the pope. >> reporter: and this is spyros galinos, the mayor of lesbos, who was instrumental in inviting the pope to draw attention to the plight of the refugees and the islanders' burden. >> ( translated ): it is a visit of enormous symbolic importance and we hope that all governments will follow the pope's lead and finally move in the right direction for all the peoples of europe. >> reporter: on a religious level, the pope's visit is fraught with difficulties. the catholic and orthodox churches split cataclysmically a thousand years ago, and are
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still unable to resolve differences. there are some forces within orthodoxy that are seeking reconciliation, but leading theologian panayotis tsagaris is sceptical: >> ( translated ): we consider that the pope's visit is littlee more than a public relations exercise which will not provide any real solution to the refugee problem facing not only my island and country but also extending to europe. >> reporter: the fraught histort between the churches has even led some ultra conservative religious leaders to call the papal mission a stab in the back. one archbishop expressed concern that hiding among the migrants are islamic extremists on a mission to undermine europe ande its traditions. but on the waterfront in greece's main port piraeus, ther orthodox church is demonstrating its willingness to reach across the religious divide. every day the church's charity, apostoli, distributes a thousand
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meals to asylum seekers living rough on the harbour. spokeswoman despina katsivelaki rejects the islamophobic wing oi orthodoxy. >> ( translated ): we help human beings- regardless of their race, religion, color, nationality.or that's what we do. that's our role and aim and that's what we try to succeed in doing. >> reporter: although the islanders are desperate for the human tide to diminish, there'sa profound empathy for people escaping conflict and trying to improve themselves. because greeks have a similar history. father athanasios yiousmas is the chief priest at the exquisite church in mytillini, lesbos's main town. >> ( translated ): this is why we have such mixed feelings within ourselves-- not only pain for these refugees, but also agony about what is likely to happen generally, and in this country, together with disgust and, forgive me for saying so, but disgust for not only the world leaders but also those
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here in greece. >> reporter: despite misgivings about the e.u.-turkey accord, it seems to be working as its deal-makers intended. the numbers of arrivals are substantially down. spanish lifeguards have returned from patrols empty handed for nearly two weeks. the turks are either upholding their end of the bargain, or the boats are being intercepted by the e.u. border agency. the big question is, will the despair on lesbos filter back down the migrant trail and detet the throng? or will they find new routes to reach their goal? for the pbs newshour, i'm malcolm brabant in lesbos. >> woodruff: and there will be more on the pope's visit to lesbos on the pbs newshour weekend, right here on most of these pbs stations.
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>> woodruff: next: music with a purpose. a story about a violinist charting her own musical path. jeffrey brown tells us exactly how her music is hitting the spirit. ♪ ♪ >> brown: it was an unlikely setting for a classical music performance: a homeless shelter, "the community for creative non- violence", in the shadow of the nation's capitol. ♪ ♪ where concert violinist rachel barton pine played a special engagement for the residents. there was music from many eras, and styles. ♪ ♪ along the way, pine offered bits of musical history. and told them a bit about herself.
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pine, in fact, knows something of the plight of her audience. her father was mostly unemployed and the family had to scrape by. >> we had these three sort of grocery crates rescued from the garbage and this one little electric heater and i would rotate it every ten minutes so that as part of me was thawing, another part would be starting to freeze. and we had to do unusual things like get my concert clothes from a thrift store and try to fix them up to be something presentable for stage. >> brown: these days, pine tours the world a good part of thea year, traveling with her husband greg-- who serves as her manager-- and their four-year old daughter. but she feels a pull to give back, wherever she goes.er >> sometimes i go to hospitals, i've been to prisons. just wherever music can uplift people's spirits. that's the meaning of being aea musician. >> brown: you have a life on the road that is different than thet sort of traditional performingmi
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and then playingn places like this. >> absolutely, i think more and more artists, especially with the younger generation are really understanding the valuest of community engagement. if we were only playing for the converted, we would not be honoring our gifts to the fullest extent. >> brown: one spirit lifted today: ray simmons, who told us of falling on hard times, and finding hope in pine's music-- and his own. >> you have to hold onto something. you have to hold onto your sanity. >> brown: for you, it sounds like you hold onto your music.d >> i hold onto my music quite often. that's what gets me through. i'm going to play my way out and sing my way out of this place. for sure. for sure. >> brown: pine started young. she gave her first recital at age five, played with a professional orchestra at seven, and with one of the great ones, the chicago symphony, in a concert of young performers at age ten.
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♪ ♪ in recent years, she formed a foundation helps what she callso "poor prodigies" with things not covered by traditional scholarships: accompaniment fees, sheet music,us transportation to competitions. to date she's helped 70 younglp people. another project, "global heart strings", supports aspiringg musicians in developing countries such as haiti. >> here in america, we take for granted , like rosin to put on, your bow hair. or, you know, a shoulder rest. >> brown: at 21, on the brink of a major career, the doors of a, chicago commuter train closed oc the straps of her violin case, trapping pine. the train dragged her 200 feet,0 severing her left leg and
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mangling her right foot. fifty surgeries later, she walks on a prosthetic leg. >> it was really a case of corporate negligence, because there had been many prior instances before the day that i happened to get hurt.et and thankfully, they've changed their safety procedures., everyone has something to dealg with and this just happens to be mine.s ♪ ♪ >> brown: and, the concert violinist is also a heavy-metal lover and performer-- a regular head-banger, here playing metallica's "one." ♪ ♪ >> so first it was like the mainstream bands and then i started to get into the classic thrash groups like anthrax, megadeth, slayer. early metallica. like the music just grabbed me. it was so intense. >> brown: you were playing classical, bach during the day and then at 10 o'clock, you're listening to anthrax? >> it sounds silly to say but i relaxed to this head-banging
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metal, but yeah, i could just turn my brain off and rock out.f i started playing these things on my instrument and realized, wait a sec, this is actually very sophisticated music. >> brown: for us, she played ozzy osbourne's "crazy train." ♪ ♪ maybe, pine says, she can help s bridge these disparate musical worlds. >> one of my goals has to been to get fellow head-bangers out to the symphony. there is nothing more intense than 100 people on stage playing the tchaikovsky violin concerto. and, you know, it's an experience like none other. ♪ ♪ >> brown: 100 people on stage, or one at a homeless shelter, where rachel barton pine gave residents a taste of her newly- released album, her 30th, called
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"testament: bach's sonatas and partitas for solo violin." in washington, d.c., i'm jeffrey brown for the pbs newshour. >> woodruff: heavy metal on the violin! you can watch all of rachel barton pine's version of "crazy train" on "art beat," online at www.pbs.org/newshour. and for more online: rembrandt retold. a video artist has tied the 17th-century dutch painter's work to a modern story, one ofry cancer, tragedy and growing upow in south central los angeles. you can view the touching piece on our home page.u and more from our race matters series. journalists share their experience reporting on race and policing. watch highlights from a town hall hosted by special
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correspondent charlayne hunterde gault. all that and more is on our web site, www.pbs.org/newshour. and a reminder about some upcoming programs fromng our pbs colleagues. tonight on "washington week," ag deep dive into 2016 politics and the mystery known as "delegate math." why clinching a party's nomination has more to do with securing delegates than winning primaries and caucuses. on pbs newshour weekend, how one rust belt city is trying to save itself, one house at a time. >> this house on the south side of youngstown has been vacant for eight years. now it's being tornn down. these demolitions are part of a city-wide plan to eliminate blight and rebuild. since the 1950s, youngstown's population has declined by 60%. to us of empty homes have been left behind. in 2009, the city created a new
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nonprofit, the youngstown neighborhood development corporationhb or y.n.d.c. >> we don't go around talking about utopian visions. we're dealing with the real basics here. we've just got to get neighborhoods cleaned up. >> woodruff: that's tomorrow night on pbs "newshour" >> woodruff: that's tomorrow night, on pbs newshour weekend. and we'll be back, right here, r on monday. that's the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. have a great weekend. thank you, and good night. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by:or >> fathom travel-- carnival-- corporation's small ship line. offering seven-day cruises tong three cities in cuba.cu exploring the culture, cuisinelt and historic sites through its people.d more at fathom.org. >> lincoln financial--ln committed to helping you takeng charge of your financial future. >> bnsf railway.
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