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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening, i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight, startling news from turkey: gunfire and low flying jets in the capital as an attempted military coup unfolds and, celebration becomes nightmare: we get the latest from southern france, where at least 84 are dead and hundreds injured after a massacre by one man in a truck. plus, donald trump confirms indiana's mike pence as his vice presidential choice. a look at the midwestern governor, and what he'll bring to the republican ticket. and it's friday, mark shields and david brooks analyze another full week of news. >> woodruff: all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour.
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>> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: shocking events in turkey tonight: the military says it has carried out a coup in the face of autocratic rule and growing terrorism in the nato member state. helicopters, warplanes and troops have spread across ankara and istanbul to take control. president erdogan's whereabouts are unclear, but he's told cnn's turkish branch that the coup will be put down.
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stephen cook, can you add anything from your sources about what's happening there? >> well, judy, thanks very much. i have been on the phone and texting and e-mailing with my contacts in istanbul and ankara, and they are bewildered as anybody else. in fact, we probably know more about what's going on in ankara and istanbul than most of those people. many are at home, have been unable to access the internet, have been unable to get news because there's been largely a news blackout. >> woodruff: if the military is able to pull this off or even get as far as they have, what would be behind it? what is the tension underlying this clearly serious divide between president erdogan and the military? >> well, first of all, we have to be very careful in talk about the "the military" or a "faction within the military," which is not something unprecedented in turkish history. but there are a number of
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tensions between the government and military officers, including what the military or some within the military, i should say, believe to be adventurism in syria, failure of the government to protect turkish citizens. we saw an horrific terrorist attack in the istanbul airport last week after a string of terrorist attacks over the course of last year and, of course, erdogan's drive to consolidate his power. the turkish military has long been the locus of authority and legitimacy in the turkish politicalystem. erdogan has sought to sur plant them over the course of the last 13 years. it may be time that younger officers or a faction within one of the services decides they have had enough. >> woodruff: we know turkey plays an enormously strategic role in the middle east and that part of the world. what would it mean if there were a change in who's in power
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there? >> well, there is all kinds of implications about a change in power. none of them are very clear at the moment, but just think about turkey's geography, it literally sits at the center of some of the most important pressing foreign policy concerns including the conflicts in syria, the conflicts in iraq, the generalized instability in the region, whereas turkey who was once seen as a stabilizing force in the middle east and does still play an important role in the syrian conflict in iraq with the kurds, it is now clearly an unstable country. >> woodruff: stephen cook, how popular is president erdogan in that country? >> this is an extraordinarily important point, judy. he is quite popular, and he has made a call for his supporters to go out in the streets and to resist this intervention on the part of the military. it's extraordinarily dangerous but what we often miss and what's often missed in the discussion of turkey is there is
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been so much focus on erdogan and his personality and drive to consolidate power that at least half of the country supports erdogan, and you have to imagine that at least some of those who are not supporters of erdogan do not want to see a return of military rule in turkey. >> woodruff: we know increasingly in recent months he has cracked down on the news media, on social media. he's made some significant changes there, has he not? >> he has made many significant changes. turkey, which was once a promising country, one that everybody hoped would make a transition to democracy, has made a u-turn and it looks more like an authoritarian system rather than a democratic system now. >> woodruff: stephen cook with the council. now i'm told we have another minute or two. we were waiting to get to a reporter on the ground in turkey. while we wait for that, as we sit and think about what the implications would be if there were a change in leadership, we're looking at a complete
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unknown. this really does come out of the blue, does it not? >> it does. some analysts were suggesting possibly the military would make a move, however it seems completely out of the blue and it's not at all clear what this group of officers who are attempting to take power actually stand for. they have released a statement saying they are reestablishing rule of law in the country, but that is kind of standard fare after coope coup d'etat. maybe in the coming hours, it will be clearer. we are looking at how erdogan and supporters reply over social media, you can see his supporters swarming tanks in istanbul and other places, so this is by no means a cone del by those attempted to take
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power. >> woodruff: swarming tanks, so could be the public will have its say in all this. >> at least erdogan supporters, like i just said, he has called upon his people to come out into the streets. we'll have to see how big those protests become. >> woodruff: that means he still must have some control of communications if he's able to get that word out. >> well, he has gotten that word out reportedly by a facetime with cnn's turkish affiliate, which would suggest that the situation is difficult for president erdogan, but he has been able to make that statement, the prime minister binali yildirim was on television earlier today calling for them people to come out and resist. >> woodruff: stephen cook, council on foreign relations, thanks for joining us at the last minute. now we want to try to get perspective on the ground in this fast-moving storied and we turn to bloomberg news in istanbul.
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simon, tell us what you are seeing and hearing there right now. our apologies. we thought we did have a reporter there in istanbul. you can imagine, given the situation, communications are not what they normally are. we are going to try to continue to reach her. she is a reporter for bloomberg news in istanbul and we will continue to try to reach her. meantime, two other major news stories also dominated >> woodruff: two other major stories also dominated this day: first, the termath of last night's attack in southern france. more than 80 people died in nice, and more than 200 were hurt, when a large truck rode down revelers. 24 hours later, there was no claim of responsibility, and more questions than answers. special correspondent jane ferguson reports. >> reporter: the crime scene, along the city's waterfront, was
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eerily quiet today as investigators and forensics teams searched for evidence. covered bodies still dotted the palm-tree-lined boulevard, as onlookers watched from a distance, many still in shock. >> i don't feel safe. not for me, not for my family. not for my children. i do not feel safe. >> reporter: police have now identified the attacker as 31- year-old mohamed bouhlel, a tunisian man who lived in nice. last night, he plowed a large white truck into crowds of revelers. this promenade along the shore front in nice was packed with people who had come to celebrate bastille day. in france that's essentially their version of july 4th. and so there are fireworks here and many brought their families to enjoy them. and tragically that's why so many children were amongst the casualties. the celebrating turned to bloody chaos when the truck hurtled
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down the popular "promenade des anglais" along the mediterranean coastline for a full mile and a half. officials estimated some 30,000 people, including many tourists, were gathered there, and the driver zig-zagged to run down as many as possible. >> ( translated ): it was horrible. at the beginning we didn't understand what was going on. we saw the truck and suddenly life came to a halt. then we saw the people panicking and running towards the alleys and we followed them. >> everybody was running. some people were on the phone, most of the people were on the phone, calling their friends 'where are you? i've lost you', some mothers with their children, they were looking for the children, losing their shoes and running just to escape. it was really scary actually. >> reporter: the carnage ended only when police killed bouhlel in a hail of gunfire, leaving the truck's windshield riddled with bullets. it also left investigators to
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puzzle out what drove a man who had no immediately-apparent links to extremists. >> ( translated ): the investigation will indeed aim to determine, firstly, how the attacker was able to get the weapon and truck he used for his crimes. it will also try to determine whether he benefited from accomplices and had ties to an islamist terrorist organization. this type of action fits in perfectly with the constant calls for murder from such terrorist organizations. >> reporter: this afternoon, the truck was hauled away from the scene. elsewhere in nice, president francois hollande met with police and military authorities, and he ran into catcalls on the way there, after the third mass casualty attack since january of last year. >> ( translated ): the lesson that we must also learn from this tragedy, from this terrorist attack. we are facing a long battle. we have an enemy that will continue to attack, all the people, all the countries, who possess freedom as an essential value. >> reporter: hollande has called up military and police
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reservists, and is moving to extend a state of emergency for three more months. it was put in place after last november's islamic state attacks across paris killed 130 people and wounded hundreds more. condolences also poured in from other capitals. in washington, president obama reflected on the tragedy, as he hosted a diplomatic reception. >> we pledge to stand with our french friends as we defend our nations against this scourge of terrorism and violence. and this is a threat to all of us. we don't know all the details but what we know is the capacity of even a single individual to do extraordinary harm to our people to our way of life. >> reporter: and around the world, people paid respect to the victims by leaving flowers at french embassies. and here in france, the government has declared three
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days of national mourning, beginning tomorrow, as investigators search for answers in a shaken country. judy? >> woodruff: jane we are seeing the grief and the shock on the part of the french people. how is this affecting the politics of the country? >> reporter: well, we've already seen today, judy, far-right leaders jumping on the issue to promote an anti-immigration stance. we've seen the leader of the national front party say there should be a war declared on radical islam. now, it's not clear yet on whether this attack was linked to radical islam. no group like i.s.i.s. or al quaida have claimed responsibility, but it has reignited the debate in france about immigration because the attacker was of tunisian descent. word of the attack took place. people have been paying respects. now worse have been placed. people have been lighting candles and leaving mementos
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here and having lively debates about that very subject, some saying the government here needed to take a stronger stance against immigration, but others also saying this is not the time for such divisions and that, in fact, this violence shouldn't be responded to violently and that france itself should pull together. but again, we're seeing after such an attack as we have seen in the past in europe and america where large numbers of civilians have been targeted, there is afterwards a lively and sometimes very divisive debate about immigration, and france is no different. >> woodruff: jane ferguson reporting for us from nice, france, the site of last night's terrible attack. thank you, jane. and we turn now >> woodruff: we turn now to hari sreenivasan in new york now for more. >> sreenivasan: with me now is the french ambassador to the united states, gerard araud. ambassador, has the government
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found a connection between the actions of this man whether radicalized by i.s.i.s.? >> so far, no, while the investigation is going on. but he was not on the list of radicalized people we are monitoring and we are now investigating his life and all the testimonies that we have show that the guy was not religious, you know, really. so let's wait for the results of what was found in his computer. so maybe here we will find a link with i.s.i.l but so far there is none. >> sreenivasan: what does the french government do to prevent something like this? what more can be done? >> you know, the problem is that you have two types of terrorism today, one that's the people coming back from syria where they have been trained, radicalized, and in a sense it's a question of following them, to see what they are doing, trying to prevent them from coming back
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to strike. the second type of terrorism, you have the individuals, and it's much more complicated because individuals which have absolutely no record of association with radical islam could suddenly do what they are doing, what he has done today, and that's for the investigations and the security, quite tough. >> sreenivasan: you had an increased state of emergency already since the previous attacks. it didn't work. how would adding more police or military forces to the streets stop an individual with a truck? >> that's a very good question. you know, in a sense, you have had exactly the same challenge with orlando. not only do we have to provide more security to our citizens, police, with the army in the streets, but it also means we have to solve, to put an end to
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the syrian civil war, which is really the origin of all this violent propaganda. >> woodruff: how does the french government try i want to grate its newcomers better because there have been concerns there are pockets within france, they are keeping to themselves that aren't understanding perhaps a greater loyalty to the idea of being french. >> frankly when you look at the integration of muslims in europe, i don't think that the situation in france is worse or better than the other european countries. i think we have, like in this very country in the u.s., we have disenfranchised immigrants. but it's not because you are disenfranchised that you are going to commit these atrocities. it is something else. >> sreenivasan: but france has sent a large number -- more than 100 people have signed up from france to go fight this in iraq and syria. >> oh, actually, we have
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identified 2,000 french citizens who have gone to syria, 2,000. i think the figure for the americans is 200, because of the geography, of course. so these people, again, they will come back and come back with military training, radicalized, antisemitic, and there will be a threat. so we are doing our best to intercept them before they enter our territory, to arrest and indict them and prevent them from striking. but you saw that with the attack in november in the bataclan. there are some we have not identified. so the threat is still there. >> sreenivasan: ambassador, while i have you here, you have been hearing the reports today as we have been watching on television in turkey. there are tanks on the street. the president of the country is in an unknown location. he's using facetime to try to communicate with his people and tell people to go out to the streets. your thoughts.
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>> first, i think our answer is to express our commitment to the defense of the constitutional order in turkey. you know, really, the turkish government, the turkish president has been elected by the turks for constitutional process, so we can simply express our hope that this constitutional order which will be upheld and secondly, of course, to hope that there are no civilian casualties. >> sreenivasan: the correlation or connection is how important it is for france tore fighting i.s.i.s. right -- to be fighting i.s.i.s. right now and how important is the stability of turkey in that fight. >> of course. really, turkey has suffered a lot because to have the syrian civil war. millions of immigrants have gone -- refugees have gone to turkey, the borders have been destabilized, so really turkey is carrying really a real burden and turkey, by definition,
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considering the geography, has a role to play into solving the syrian civil war. >> sreenivasan: what about the political pushback you're getting now? we heard the far right is calling for tighter immigration controls and calling for a war on radical islam. is this something the government is willing to consider given the tragedies you've experienced in the last months? >> sreenivasan: what is striking when you look at democracies from the u.s. to scanned navyia we're experiencing the same outbreak of terrorism in all and the same outburst of immigration. and it's obvious when you see these sort of attacks that we have had in nice, it's, in a sense, a spur for opportunism. we'll have elections in may so
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we'll see what is the consequence of the situation. >> sreenivasan: france ambassador gerard araud, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you very much. >> woodruff: the day also brought major news in the presidential campaign: republican donald trump confirmed that indiana governor mike pence will be his running mate. trump tweeted his decision, but delayed a formal appearance, citing the attack in nice. john yang begins our coverage: >> yang: the indiana governor arrived at trump tower this afternoon, ready to go: >> just looking forward to meeting with the trumps and talking about our plans for tomorrow and every day between now and election day. >> yang: they seem, at first, unlikely allies. donald trump, the brash outsider from new york, who's never held public office. and mike pence, staunch
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midwestern conservative, with a long career in politics and deep ties to the republican establishment. >> i'm not against anybody but i will be voting for ted cruz. >> yang: less than three months ago, pence endorsed trump's opponent, in the indiana primary. trump won that contest, cruz dropped out and pence threw his support behind the billionaire. >> we're ready to put a fighter, a builder and a patriot in the oval office of the united states of america. we're ready for donald trump to be our next president. >> yang: still, differences remain. pence is a longtime advocate of trade deals like nafta. trump's opposition to those agreements is a centerpiece of his campaign. trump has called the 2003 iraq invasion a mistake. pence was a vocal supporter. and pence has called trump's proposed ban on muslim immigration "offensive and unconstitutional." pence served six terms in the
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house and was elected to the leadership. in 2012, he won a close race for governor of indiana. last year, he triggered an uproar, signing a bill that could have let business owners discriminate against gays and lesbians, based on religious beliefs. after big business in the state complained, pence signed a measure protecting l.g.b.t. customers. his selection for the national ticket today drew praise from top republicans. >> what i think mike pence brings to the table is, he's measured. he's experienced. i think he shores up a conservative base that's important. i think he's a complimentary to donald trump as far as personality. >> yang: and in a statement, house speaker paul ryan said: "i can think of no better choice for our vice-presidential candidate. he will help bring real change to washington." trump and pence will make their first public appearance as the
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newly minted g.o.p. ticket tomorrow morning in new york. for the pbs newshour, i'm john yang. >> woodruff: joining us now is reporter who has covered governor pence in the hooiser state. brandon smith, statehouse bureau chief for indiana public broadcasting. he joins us from indianapolis. welcome back to the program, brandon smith. so how is governor mike pence seen in the state of indiana by the republicans, by the people? >> i wouldn't say he's as popular as the national folks are making him seem. he's been somewhat devicive as a governor. certainly, he came in on a message of continuing his policies of his predecessor mitch daniels. that has been a lot of his focus when you talk about his agenda with the legislature. but as was mentioned in that piece, he dealt with a lot of controversy in the way he handled certain issue, like the religious freedom debate, like this year in the signing of a
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harsh anti-abortion bill and the way he's handled that and the resistance to that. he's sort of been divisive because indiana is a pretty conservative state yet a republican governor seek reelection was in a virtual tie with his democratic opponent. >> woodruff: what is it about the way he's handled these issue, these controversies that's been a question for him? what's made it controversial? >> a big part of it is his philosophy, really, as a politician. when he was in congress and coming into his job aped as governor here -- as job as governor here, he was learned as a great communicator and speech maker and someone who stayed on message. that's fine i congress. didn't work well as a governor. he would be asked for specifics for legislative proposals he was numbering or things moving
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through legislature, for instance, that he would need to sign or not sign and he simply wouldn't give answer also. he had his one or two talking points and stuck to those, all the time. he wouldn't be shaken loose, even when arguably he needed to be. that was seen notably in the middle of the religious freedom controversy, he went on national television to be interviewed about it and when asked direct questions about whether or not the bill discriminated against the lgbt community, he couldn't answer the yes or no question, and that's really a big part of what's hurt him as he's tried to be governor. >> woodruff: brandon smith, we know mike pence is described as a reliable conservative. how conservative is he? where do you draw the lines in what his political views are? >> well, he's pretty conservative. like i mentioned, he signed that anti-abortion bill earlier this year that even a lot of republican lawmakers in this state advocated strongly against because they felt it went too far, that's something i don't
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think mike pence really balked at at all, which indears him to particularly social conservatives which is part of the reason i think trump picked him. but you heard in the piece that he supported the iraq war. he went against president bush during the no child left behind debate, so he -- >> woodruff: but if i could interrupt, he disagreed with donald trump on whether there should be a muslim ban in this country. >> that's true, although he tried to establish a policy in indiana where indiana would deny syrian refugees from entering the state. so i'm not sure of how much a line he real lo drew there. >> woodruff: everybody is wanting to know what kind of vice president he would be. what about his decision-making? >> he is in a tight circle. when he and his wife hold hands,
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that's not a political show. they are very close. she plays a big role in his decision-making and policymaking. his inner circle in indiana is pretty tight. a lot of his advisors go back to his time as congress. his first chief of staff had been his chief of staff during his entire congressional time. one of his key advisors as governor now, his communications director, was his communications person in congress. the sense is the circle isn't very wide. >> woodruff: there has been a lot of reporting today, brandon, about how unpredictable donald trump is and, on the other hand, mike pence is seen as more predictable, a calmer presence. how do you see that? >> that's absolutely true. it goes back to the idea of his philosophy of i'm going to have my one or two talking points and say those talking points no matter what is asked of me. as a vice presidential running mate and running mate to donald trump that will certainly be the very valuable and appealing to
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national republicans who are uncomfortable with the unpredictable of trump's campaign. >> woodruff: we know, finally, brandon, that if he hadn't been chosen as donald trump's running mate he was expected to run for reelection as governor. what kind of race was he facing there? >> a very close one. he was facing the same person he ran against governor in 2012, former house speaker john greg, but while mike pence beat john greg by 3 percentage points in 2012, in the limited polling we've seen in this state so far, that looked to be virtually the same, almost a tie and pretty unfavorable numbers for a conservative governor in mike pence. >> woodruff: is there any doubt in your mind that indiana is going -- we know it's traditionally gone republican for president, any doubt in your mind it's trending in donald trump's direction for the election? >> absolutely not whatsoever. this state will vote for donald trump and i would be shocked if it were even close.
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>> brandon smith with indiana public broadcasting, thanks very much. >> thanks for having me. >> woodruff: with >> reporter: the welcome signs are our lisa desjardins is already there with this look at how the city is preparing for a number of security concerns. flying, the parks are green and gorgeous, but on the eve of this long-awaited moment for cleveland, the city is holding its breath. >> we have to ensure everybody's safety, whether they're a protester, delegate, a visitor or a person who lives in the city of cleveland. >> reporter: the city and police department have a two-part plan. one, a secure fenced in zone around the convention site, standard in convention cities. but there is alsecond zone, a much wider area outside the perimeters where the city and police have banned a number of items from tasers to tennis balls. the police say guns will be allowed due to ohio's open carry
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law. >> next week, i'm concerned about the mass of people, but it's going to be the same situations we deal with every day while we work out on the street, just on a larger scale. >> reporter: the restrictions have gone too far according to aclu ohio staff attorney elizabeth bon ham, she successfully sued forcing changes in the city security plan. >> originally the way the city drew the restrictions is extremely broad. they cannot leave the first amendment rights of all the people coming here to demonstrate or celebrate or what have you on the back burner. >> reporter: the result is a downtown zone that includes places like this park, public square, where officials hope thousands of protesters will go, but some protest groups tell us they think the restrictions are too tight and they're not going to follow the rules. others say they are preparing now to try and prevent violence. tea party activist ralph is planning a pro-trump event for
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monday and took the rare step of meeting with these anti-trump activists this week record ago short video asking for calm. >> i don't care if you're for or against mr. trump, i don't care if you year a "black lives matter," if you want to come to cleveland you act and you respect our city. if you don't want to, we don't want you here. >> reporter: king says he's not nervous but jeff is, a local film maker producing a documentary about the convention. >> yes, you have to be worried, if not you're unprepared. >> reporter: police are using a $50 million grant to buy new equipment and weapons. joining them will be 3,000 federal security officials and thousands of state national guard and officers on loan from other departments. clevelanders themselves say that adds confidence, especially after the attack in nice, france. >> i'm real happy there is going
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to be a lot of security, real happy. >> i think that's always a concern, but, i mean, i have a lot of faith in, you know, not only the cleveland police, but the county sheriff's office and everyone else working to secure the event. >> reporter: most of these folks are first-time protesters. a group of doctors that formed "stand against trump" and now think their protest march next thursday may draw thousands. surgeon jana hambly. >> we are committed to being completely peaceful. this is a non-violent group. for the most part, we are all medical professionals, so most of us have taken oaths in our personal and professional life to uphold human life. >> reporter: this is the owner of a downtown restaurant set to close six years ago when he turned it around. >> all the protesters, media, everything is going to be on our side, so we are very concerned about it and especially our employees are scared. >> reporter: scared of what
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might happen next week. >> the convention center is -- >> reporter: given the restaurant's proximity to the security barrier. his customers like emily are worried, too. she's not going to work next week. >> primarily, it's the road closures. my bus has to stop way far away from where i work, so it makes it more difficult to get to work, and also i was concerned about the possible protesters. >> reporter: concerns shared by many -- the public, protesters and police. for the pbs "newshour", i'm lisa desjardins in cleveland. >> woodruff: that brings us to the analysis of shields and brooks, that is syndicated columnist mark shields and "new york times" columnist brooks dad brooks. next week you're headed to cleveland, don't know if there been disruptions. mark, let's talk about donald trump setting the table. he chose his running mate mike pence.
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we heard from a reporter in indiana. what do you make of this? >> i think mike pence was the least trump-like of the three finalists and in that sense makes sense, he's got solid, conservative credentials especially with social conservatives, and he's articulate, he's personallable, and he -- personable, he's got national ambitions, he's made no secret of them in the past. i just remind him, a successful vice president -- an unsuccessful vice president candidate has been elected president of the united states exactly once in the nation's history. i mean, president joe lieberman -- >> woodruff: an unsuccessful? unsuccessful, franklin roosevelt who lost and got elected in 1932. so it's not necessarily a successful road to the white house on an unsuccessful vice presidential campaign. but i think he makes sense given
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trump's special problems. >> woodruff: makes sense? we'll let you explore that. >> he does have special problems. >> special needs. of the three available, wasn't like everyone was available to him, so he picked the one who does not cause him any problems. i first met mike pence in the early '90s. he was a talk radio host in indiana. he said i'm the decaf rush limbaugh. he was less spicey. his demeanor is sweet and kind in. the house, he was successful because he's a genuinely nice guy. but if he's a decaf rush limbaugh, i don't know what he is to donald trump. (laughter) i think he'll disappear, frankly. i think it's a less important vice presidential pick than any we've had just because trump is his own show. he hasn't promoted a rival show, he's just going to be his own show. pence will appear at the vice presidential debate but i would be surprised if we were talking too much about him in the next few months. >> one quick point, judy, trump
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said he wanted an attack dog, a pit bull, and mike pence is the opposite of that. he ran for congress in 1988 and 1990 against a long-time democratic incumbent phil sharp in that district and lost twice, and after the second defeat he wrote an article entitled "confessions of a serial negative campaigner," and he aapologized for running negative ads and so forth. i mean, that does not sound like an attack dog to me. >> yeah, unless they wanted a midwestern compared to donald trump. >> woodruff: what is it we have been hearing in the last 24 hours about donald trump maybe having second thoughts at midnight last night. there was the back and forth. he told one interviewer, i'm close to a decision, i'm on national security. then told somebody, no, it's down to three. what do you make of this whole
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process? >> this is not a real campaign. there is a certain norm the way things are done. when you announce your vice presidential candidate, there is a rollout, you do things like update you can web page which the trump came pain didn't do for a while. so it's a one-man show and one gets the impression everyone else is in the dark and trump is deciding and not. the institutional presence a campaign has where decisions get made, things get done and conventions get organized, unclear if a lot of that's happening. >> woodruff: here we are two or three days ahead of the convention, as of an hour ago, we didn't have the schedule. we don't know who's speaking and what order, the kinds of things that the candidates normally do. does that matter? i mean, can he just put on a great show and that's all that really counts or what? >> i think the convention, whether for the elks or the aluminum siding industry or for a party, is basically the same
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thing. it's to energize the people who were there, to validate them, to uniunite them and in donald trus case, i think it's to run a normal convention and one where he's not in any way criticizing or censuring republicans who aren't there, that he rises above, shows a spirit of magnanimity, i think that's it probably a lot more important whether bobby knight stiffs him and don king doesn't show up and mike tyson is invited. >> that's one of the keys for the convention. for me i want to see 30 or 40 members of the trump family speaking at the podium, which seems we're getting close to that number, but it will be curious to see how organized it is. and then the emotional tone, conventions are like coronations, but if you watch the trump speeches leading up in the last couple of weeks, he's filled with resentment, people
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aren't treating me right, so that's not a normal convention mood so it will be interesting to see if hick pivot and be happy. >> woodruff: on top of that you have the world events happening, this awful attack last night in france, with so many people killed and this sort of unspeakable act by a man who drove his truck through the corrode and tonight we're watching and understanding what's going on in turkey. what effect do events like this have on a presidential election? >> well, there is a certain numbing effect right now. it's crisis upon crisis, tragedy upon tragedy. i mean, i think we're reeling, quite honestly, and nice was just of a different order of magnitude. the idea of driving a truck through families and people celebrating independence day at 70 miles an hour and not slowing down. >> woodruff: does it mean that americans want a leader who is more stable or someone who is
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going to change things? >> i think there is always in the short run the call for bold action over thoughtful restrained action has an appeal. i mean, but people are enraged, they're insecure, they're unsure, and the sure, certain trumpet that sounds has an appeal at a time like that. i mean, it's not like we're on the eve of an election, and not whether donald trump has a program or the credentials, but he is the bold voice as opposed to the voice of restraint and experience that secretary clinton purports to offer. >> i don't think trump would exist as a viable candidate if not for this climate in the last couple of years of psychological blows the world endured. you start with the economic stuff, anxiety of longstanding nature, but the i.s.i.s.
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beheadings, these were psychologically damaging for the country. what we felt on the show last week, it was would you have, very depressing, and this week is worse. what's going on in turkey. the world is spinning out of order, and that implicates the campaign in two ways. this campaign is in part a debate between an ardent nationalist which trump is a european style nationalist haves clinton who is more of a globalist and believes in global institutions, and these attacks all around the world, we see the dark side of globalization, so i do think they help trump. to me the interesting thing is people will want order, they want somebody who preserve order. normally that means experience and that would be good for clinton, but i think in this climate of chaos, they will want toughness and authoritarianism and that's more up trump's alley. >> woodruff: even when there's no proven link, for example in
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france, this man who drove this truck, they still don't have a connection between him and i.s.i.s. it could have been the act of one person disgruntled, upset with his life. >> you're right, judy, but to david's point, it's nationalism, too. he was a tunisian origin and descent, and that is very much in our politics. when david raised the point about chaos in the world, this is why the convention is important and donald trump's comportment are. i mean, because this should be an advantage to him right now as the out-party and the one who s been preaching this message of nationalism, but he does projective chaos, and i think to that degree it will hurt him, if in fact, at the convention in cleveland he personally exemplifies or represents chaos or the convention itself does. i think that's a risk, a high
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risk for him. >> shoulthe "new york times" cbl came out this week, showed clinton and trump tied at 40. in the pals in the last couple of months, he doesn't move, h he's at 40. she rises and falls, but he doesn't move. so a lot of the climate is more affecting her vote somehow than his. >> woodruff: and those polls -- and she did slip, i guess came after the really bad week she had with the release of the e-mails. >> some of it was the e-mails, but some of it was the dallas police killings, the sense of social unraveling, all the comparisons people were making to 1968. >> woodruff: seems like forever ago but it was just tuesday she did get ten dormant of bernie sanders who held out for a long time, mark. how much -- go ahead. >> the timing was better. if anything, she did need a lift this week. after the comey and the e-mails and dallas and baton rouge and
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minnesota, secretary clinton needed a lift, and i think bernie sanders' endorsement gave her a lift. if it had come two weeks earlier as so many clinton folks were urging and exhorting them to do, i don't think it probably would have given the kind of upper that she did need at that time, even in the midst of a week in which it was very much eclipsed. but bernie made a good case for her candidacy basically based on bernie's campaign. >> woodruff: i was going to say how enthusiastic was it? >> we don't deliver anything in this country anymore. nobody delivers votes. but his enthusiastic endorsement of her and the party unity are going to be important. >> woodruff: what do you think? >> i think the democratic party will be united. she has 85% of his votes, by the end of the convention, i think it will be united. i think what's thing on his issues are the forefront.
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if we're looking around, are the banks what people are fearing the most, i.s.i.s., or racial issues that suddenly have risen before? so i think some of the issues, at least for the time being, are being eclipsed, so that changes the landscape for her. >> woodruff: speaking of one of those, we've almost forgotten to mention that there was another terrible -- there were shootings, we have been watching, mark, of black men by police, but then we had just within the last week the terrible massacre of police officers in dallas, and then there was this quite remarkable memorial service this week, and you were telling us earlier today, it may be the one bright spot. >> it was the one bright spot for me in the whole week. it was almost traditional. it was what americans have come to expect at a time of crisis and tragedy and that is bipartisanship. ted cruz, one of the president's archest critics, flew down on
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air force one with him, john corps nine, deputy leader, introduced the president, president george w. bush gave a personal dallas perspective, and the president is comforter in chief. he does it so well. the police chief of dallas david brown, both hillary clinton and donald trump ought to be grateful he hasn't entered any of the races, he's just so impressive. i guess there was a sense of unity, of reconciliation, of national agreement that that dallas ceremony -- >> and i have to say that's what real america is. i have been on this tour of the country the last several months to can san antonio or fresno or virginia, and the country is healing the social fabric. toe vents are horrible -- the events are horrible but there is a day to day reality.
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>> woodruff: it's a better note to end on than most of the news tonight. see you in cleveland. >> thank you, look forward to it. >> woodruff: in the day's other news, congress released a long- classified section of its report on the 9/11 attacks. it details possible links between the hijackers and officials in saudi arabia. but it also notes that subsequent investigations found no such links. at white house, press secretary josh earnest said the information does not change the fundamental facts: >> they didn't find any evidence the saudi government as an institution or senior saudi officials individually funded al qaeda. that's the definitive word of the outside experts who took an unvarnished look and this particular situation and that conclusion is unchanged by the
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>> woodruff: the saudi ambassador to the u.s. said today it "absolutely" exonerates his government. in iraq, tens of thousands of protesters rallied again in central baghdad. most are supporters of shiite cleric muqtada al-sadr, a long- time critic of the government. the crowds waved iraqi flags and chanted slogans, calling prime minister haider al-abadi a thief. his government has struggled to end corruption and stop terror attacks in the capital. mourners gathered in baton rouge, louisiana today for the funeral of alton sterling, who was killed by two white police officers last week. several thousand people attended the service, just days after sterling's death triggered protests, and some 200 arrests. and in plano, texas police turned out again for the funeral of michael krol. he was one of five officers killed by a sniper in dallas last week. and wall street's rally fizzled
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on this friday. the dow jones industrial average gained 10 points to close at 18,516. but the nasdaq fell four points, and the s&p 500 dropped two. >> sreenivasan: now, updating our lead story: the crisis in turkey. a struggle for power is underway tonight, with the military announcing it has carried out a coup and imposed martial law. it says it acted to restore it says a peace council will act to restore democracy in the n.a.t.o. member state. there are reports of tanks firing near the parliament building in ankara, the capital, and helicopters and fighter planes attacking key points in both ankara and istanbul. troops are out in the streets sealing off some government buildings and bridges, but
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president erdogan called cnn's turkish branch to insist the coup will fail, he urged soldiers to rally and later soldiers fired on people in istanbul. president obama is watching this rapidly developing situation. turkey has been a key u.s. ally and a front-line member of the coalition battling islamic state militants in syria. and now a reminder about some upcoming programs from our pbs >> woodruff: and a reminder about some upcoming programs from our pbs colleagues. gwen ifill's in cleveland, preparing for "washington week " which airs later tonight. here's a preview: >> ifill: we're in cleveland tonight for a special "washington week" road show talking all things donald trump, mike pence and next week's republican nominating convention. a full plate so we'll run for an hour on most pbs stations and i'll see you here next week for our convention coverage.
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judy. >> woodruff: >> woodruff: also tonight at 9:00 p.m. here on pbs, "america in black and blue," a pbs newshour weekend special report. and don't forget, starting monday, gwen and i will be anchoring live special coverage of the republican national convention. take a look. ith so much at stake, you need election coverage you can trust. that's why the pbs "newshour" teamed up with n.p.r. to bring you primetime coverage of the conventions. gill and judy woodruff -- gwen ifill and judy woodruff are joined by n.p.r.'s rachel martin for balanced reporting you won't find anywhere else. join us for national coverage of the republican national convention july 18, 7:00 central on pbs >> woodruff: and we'll be anchoring the newshour on monday from cleveland, with the start of our look at who are the republicans as they nominate
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