tv Washington Week With Gwen Ifill PBS September 9, 2016 7:30pm-8:01pm PDT
gwen: who can you imagine as commander-in-chief? hillary clinton or donald trump? we're searching for answers here editionado on a special of "washington week." mr. trump: i think i would have very, very good relationship with putin. secretary clinton: we're going isis without committing american ground troops. trust?ho do you mr. trump: we're going to convene my top generals and give them a simple instruction. they will have 30 days to submit office a sound for soundly and quickly defeating isis. secrete says he has a plan to defeat isis but the secret is he has no plan. mr. trump: hillary likes to play tough with russia. hein looks at her and laughs. secretary clinton: not only did trump mess up his first heernational engagement,
choked. gwen: as we enter the dizzying longest days of the presidential campaign in history, the candidates are not waiting for the formal debates to begin the brawl. >> hillary clinton is the most dishonest candidate for president of the united states since richard nixon. gwen: we look at the polls, the with dand the politics balz, chief correspondent for "the washington post," molly ball, national political correspondent for the "atlantic," jackie calmes, national correspondent for the michaelk times," and shearer, washington bureau chief for "time" magazine. >> from colorado college in alorado springs, this is special edition of "washington week" with gwen ifill. funding is provided by -- >> thousands of people came out today to run the race for retirement.
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journalism foundation. patricia yuen through the yuen foundation, committed bridging cultural differences in our communities, the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs viewers like you. thank you. campus of, from the colorado college, moderator gwen ifill. [applause] gwen: hello. thank you. hello, colorado springs. here.to be for the last two presidential cycles, this state has gone blue for president obama. the two cycles before that, for presidentred george w. bush. this year, hillary clinton appears to have the edge for now. the color purple, where we come to you from the --eding red hart of the heart of the state, el paso county, with major mega-churches
five military operations. no wonder that hillary clinton and donald trump spent the week courting veterans and talking national security. along the way, they managed to little smack about each other. secretary clinton: we have never been threatened as much by a single candidate running for president as we have been in election. mr. trump: hillary clinton was emailing about the drone program, among many other extremely sensitive matters. this is yet more evidence that be youris unfit to commander-in-chief. gwen: emails, vladimir putin, veterans, ground troops in iraq. it seems like once we got past labor day, this campaign went overdrive, didn't it, molly? molly: yeah, it's actually been finally seeing to the candidates contrast with each other directly on the same albeit not at the same time. i think we're all looking forward to the debates beginning
in a couple of weeks with more engagement between the two candidates because it has seemed for so long that they were sort parallelgning in worlds on parallel tracks and as ofeporter if you cover both them, it can be dizzying to go from one to the other. did this become a commander-in-chief debate so quickly, dan? werein years past, when we engaged in multiple active wars, like it waseel abition discussion? if: i don't know if the end national security will be the decisive factor. jobs and the economy are still most important issue and national security is second so economic issues will come to the fore at some point. i think one of the reasons the national security issues have is that theportant basis of hillary clinton's attacks on donald trump are that he is unfit to be president, be commander-in-chief, that he would be a threat to the country if he became president internationalhose issues and she is driving that. she's trying to disqualify him
the best basis for her, she thinks, to go after him. gwen: when we talk about russia, michael, and we talk about the issues about whether or not he loves vladimir putin, that's in metaphor for leadership questions? michael: it is, it's also remarkable what he's been saying putin.ladimir to think four, eight years ago, republican nominee for president would say the russian president is a more successful currenthan the president of the united states is a remarkable statement that we wouldn't -- would sort of presses in a different cycle but in this cycle, we see it differently. he's telegraphing that he identifies with and thinks our country would benefit from a very different type of leadership style. it's a much more nationalistic policy agenda and it's a much more -- it's a great man theory case. that it takes great men to do this. vladimir putin is a man who has his shirt off and riding horses and projecting idea --
gwen: and killing journalists. journalists killing but by being a father figure for his country. think when trump talks about putin, i think he's broadcasting that. gwen: jackie, what's interesting to me, too, once again, donald trump barreled into this theaign and kind of blew up republican party. no self respecting republican, --ert mind. comes to would ever have praised a russian leader. is that a sign of how different this campaign has become? >> you can about farther back than reagan. the cold war, since world war ii, the republicans seized the national security, anti-communist mantle and never gave it up. itre's been nothing like since 1964 and barry goldwater.
when hillary clinton makes an it's really ironic when you think about it that the woman has the more plausible case to be the more credible commander-in-chief given what said himselfhas and given the fact that as in but evendwater's case, more so, you have military figures and not just military figures, but senior figures from past republican administrations coming out and saying they for him, they will vote for hillary clinton. gwen: and yet, dan, you had a project in the "the washington post" this week about what people believe in all 50 states. we read polls and don't know which is true but i think what is true after labor day is the be tightening ever so much? dan: i think it has tightened somewhat since the conventions. happened after the convention was she got a bigger bounce out of her convention thattrump got from his and gave her what appeared to be an expanded lead. to settle down and i think we're waiting really for the round of polls that we'll
coming over the next week or so to give us a fuller sense of where we are after labor day but number of a battleground states that are close. any50-state survey showed number of states that seemed to be close and competitive. but i think that masks the other and that is that still in the electoral college competition, she has an advantage. she has many more paths to 270 andtoral votes than he does that hasn't changed at this point. gwen: everybody's watching pennsylvania. they're watching ohio. even though i think in your survey texas suddenly popped up out of nowhere as tightening which i found amazing but i wonder, we're here in colorado, known as purple but is bluish year, i wonder if you think to yourself where should i go, as a national reporter, where is story? >> i think you see clear areerns in the states that and are not in play. in some sense, it's the same set
of swing states you always get but there are unique wrinkles particularly with the republican candidate. he's running stronger in rust battlegrounds, places like ohio. not so much pennsylvania. wanted to make a play for pennsylvania but opened a wide lead there. gwen: he wants a play for california. >> you see him performing less in states like colorado and virginia, two similar elect orts. i'm from colorado and i live in virginia. both of these are states where the voting population is heavily educated andhighly doing pretty well economically and colorado especially is a and diversifying state with a large hispanic population. there's a large asian population. do well seen trump not with all of those demographics.
educated voters, independents, even republicans -- he's really underperforming mitt romney with those kind of groups and it's a electorate. there was a thought by the trump campaign that they could make minority communities. we've seen them do outreach but not seen minority communities open to that. gwen: i would dare say he's not appealing to minority communities but to people who may be offended that he's not appealing to minority communities and when you go to a black church at the age of 70 after having lived in new york whole life and you've never been to one before, that seems, notn't know -- maybe unusual for most people but very unusual for a presidential candidate. dan: one interesting thing we'll watch is whether we've moved persuasion part of this campaign. most people have ideas of what they think about these and reallyright now what it's about is convincing the people who are already leaning your direction to
actually come out and vote, in a year where enthusiasm is herhtly better for him than but pretty low. the electorate is not excited election, even if we're fascinated by it. to your point, i think what he's is talking to people who are disposedns who to not vote for hillary clinton convince them that i'm not a bad guy and that bad thing which clinton has successfully promoted and i promoteds successfully at points during this campaign, is something he's trying to get away from. gwen: i had a conversation yesterday with a local evangelical pastor who said a aren't forembers trump, i am, but i keep telling them, here's your choice, hillary clinton. anti-hillary clinton meme which we say play out at the toublican convention, that me seems to me to be the biggest threat to her.
dan: it is the biggest threat to sense it's also the biggest threat to donald trump. there's probably more negative electioning on in this than we've seen in any past election. majorities of people voting for because theyon don't want donald trump and vice versa. some of these polls suggest a relatively sizable number of undecideds left. some of them suggest that. i think the reality is that there are a number of people who they can't quite say openly i'm really for a or b so they kind of leave open the but i think it's -- i think most people at this point probably know where they're end up and the key is getting them out. gwen: i asked the audience the air hownt on many undecideds there were and it was a sprinkling of hands, i expected.n >> i definitely do notice talking to voters on the ground who say they're undecided because they're conflicted.
year,ly in an election you would see a relatively small number of people who are undecided because they usually vote the same way but those tend to be those who late bute in until this year it's those with high amounts of information that are because they feel pulled between two choices that are unappetizing so i hear a lot voters saying they're conflicted in how to vote and a interest in third party candidates. a lot of voters want to know gary johnson. gwen: which might be a high water state for gary johnson, colorado. jackie, as we've watched campaigns over the years, we've seen the traditional way they play out. there are ads, there are debates, there are the ways in which to break through. of thate know that any is cutting through this year? jackie: i think it's become increasingly hard to know, in because of the internet and social media. and campaigns have completely
transformed from when we started and it's whoever is on tv and thenst what was going on generally the networks isroadcast what determined things but now you can just target and they do people they want to reach with video that we may see and we've seen people are now self selecting their that they consume by virtue of whatever -- this is especially true on the right, far less true on the left. gwen: molly has a piece on the "atlantic" magazine in which she makes the case that all of this microtargetting, the obama victory, the bush victory, the karl rove fascination, the george carvilleoulos, james fascination, that's bunk now. world where jeb bush with spend $100 million and win
four delegates and donald trump can spend almost nothing and not build a campaign organization at just a guy with tweets and rallies, and win the primary. that has to tell you something all this money is being spent on and whether or not it's having an effect. startedrump has just airing his first general election ads. as of a couple of weeks ago, hillary clinton was out-advertising him on television $52 million to zero winninge clear, she is this race at this point but we do still see a pretty close race. her in colorado, hillary -- hern colorado, hillary clinton is field offices number 20 to 23 this weekend. donald trump has six or seven, r.n.c. and were opened recently. gwen: including one run by a 12-year-old. molly: the one in jefferson county run by a 12-year-old. have never seen a campaign organizationally so lopsided, experimentntrolled in how many votes you would get if you didn't run a campaign at
all? michael: i'm interested in the after-action of all of this. primary, you're going for a relatively small portion of the electorate. not a lot of people turn out in iowa or new hampshire to vote in any single party's primary. my suspicion is that a lot of the lead we saw this summer conventions, into september, where clinton was really pulling ahead. of northing out carolina that showed her eight or nine or 10 points up, insane numbers, were reactions to what we know about tv ads in traditional cycles which is if they work.pposed, if they're opposed, if you see the republican ad, then the democratic ad, watching the same show, they cancel each other out unopposed, your thinking changes and you have different thoughts. is the's extraordinary amount of free media donald trump has gotten. positive.ot all jackie: that's the thing, why
wouldn't he be leading? in the free media, the coverage is of things he's said that have backfired on him. coverage really since he became effectively the republican nominee has been he had than it was when opponents in the republican race. gwen: does it feel to any of you we're stuck still in the primary campaign? especially on the republican did so spectacular well without having to have spent any money, that he thinks campaign inhe same the general election but it's different, not to mention the fact that we're counting electoral votes. michael: the answer is what day is it this week. came out of the primary believing that the people at his rallies could make -- majority of the country. he was talking about winning in inhigan and huge numbers pennsylvania and new york state because he knows these people and he was talking to people he sees when he goes to an arena and that group is not enough -- ofn: we've all been to a lot arenas on the night before a loss that were packed.
michael: and the people who want to chant "build the wall," are not enough to win the election. is very clear now. gwen: is it clear to him? michael: it depends on the week. him -- some days he'll be very presidential. some days he'll go to the black church. next day he's in phoenix giving them red meat and it dramatically day to day. >> i think it surprises anyone aat he didn't pivot more to more general election message and audience but i think -- gwen: it's early. jackie: it is but one thing to keep in mind is that there's been a lot of attention to the democrats have demographics on their side looking forward. the diverse electorate in a lot of states are going to play to democrats' playing tond are democrats' advantage, fewer white people. afterere was a theory mitt romney's defeat in 2012 that on the right and especially fever swamp that trump inhabits, that there were -- i
mean, there are credible people this, too, that the trick is to get more white people out there. be had, white people to and they need to get them out. he's therump believes man to win this with white votes. dan: i think the difference in this campaign and the issue that tested is the white college educated vote, molly earlier, i think that's the make-or-break part of trump.e for donald mitt romney won that vote with 42% forhe population to president obama. donald trump is losing that vote and particularly white college educated women and i think all of these other moves he's made appear to be doing outreach is aimed at that but so far he's's no evidence that making any inroads with that part of the electorate and if he doesn't, he can't win. i don't think there are enough of blue collar -- white,
non-college educated voters, even if more come out, to offset that. all: win or lose, there are these double edged swords out bashing the media, turning questions about his accuracy into questions about to him and yetut we have this responsibility and frustration that we have to hold him accountable. we, dear friends, manage that? michael: i think we keep doing what we're doing. candidates bash the media as a tactic because they know we might be the only people in america less popular than politicians depending on the day. so, you know, i think this is also nothing new for media.tes to bash the trump may have taken it to new levels by an order of magnitude. clinton to her credit put out a media bashing sodraising email this week it's not just donald trump. molly: exactly. we've all been hearing this for years. after us because they don't like the thing they did
that we reported on. but tough. yeah, we can take it. i'm not worried about our feelings but you do have a think isat i increasingly distressed by feeling they don't know who to trust and the reason these attacks on the media resonate is tornse people do feel between so many sets of not just opinions but sets of facts in landscape of the internet where you can choose your own news and so i think the taking advantage of that. dan: there's no sort of arbiter people trust anymore. balz. except dan dan: not according to my emails, molly. i mean, it used to be that the media was seen, in a sense, like game,es in a football that they're there to enforce the rules. to call penalties when they happen. we continue to do that but for electorate orhe another, we're discredited in
part because the candidates and to try tos help discredit us. michael: at the same time, the penalties this cycle are so much more glaring than in last cycles. this isn't a debate over whether figuredynamic scoring to out the deficit impact of a tax plan. what's interesting about campaign the last couple of months, her major message has been quoting donald trump. ads are just quotes of donald trump. tim kainees, when gives speeches, he's quoting donald trump. gwen: he gives her a lot of material. michael: and vice versa, there's things she's said, handling the email, where she stumbles over herself. press, we're fact checking, sometimes it's difficult because there's so go butcts to check as we really i think most voters are going to get beyond the, is the swing this, to just look at what they're saying. gwen: i have to end this by this weekend marks the 15th anniversary of the 9/11
people ask youn whether it's possible for you to vote, whether it's necessary to vote, it's important to remember of people rushed into the fire when the rest of us away to make our lives possible. thank you, everybody. especially thank you to our generous audience and hosts here at colorado college and at rocky mountain pbs. stay tuned. we'll take questions from our audience on the "washington extra.ebcast colorado edition, which you can find on most pbs stations and atine pbs.org/washingtonweek. and we'll see you back in the nation's capitol, next week on "washington week." good night. [applause]
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