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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening, i'm judy woodruff. >> sreenivasan: and i'm hari sreenivasan. >> woodruff: on the newshour tonight... >> we now want to do everything to help you succeed, because if you succeed, then the country succeeds. >> woodruff: the beginning of a presidential shift: president- elect donald trump meets with president obama in the oval office to discuss a peaceful transition of power. >> mr. president, it was a great honor being with you, and i look forward to being with you many, many more times in the future. >> sreenivasan: also ahead this thursday: previewing the first 100 days of a trump presidency. how the campaign rhetoric could become policy. >> woodruff: and, the fight for iraq. while the seige in mosul continues, we look at how the city of kirkuk fought back
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>> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: president-elect donald trump is back in new york tonight, after a day of first meetings in washington. it was the formal launch of the transition, and there was no sign of the bitter broadsides that marked the campaign. john yang begins our coverage. >> well, i just had the opportunity to have an excellent conversation with president- elect trump. >> yang: president obama welcomed donald trump to the oval office today, just days after he called him dangerous and unqualified, and after mr. trump called the obama record "a disaster." how did their first face-to-face meeting go? >> i have been very encouraged by the-- i think-- interest in
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president-elect trump's wanting to work with my team around many of the issues that this great country faces. we now are going to want to do everything we can to help you succeed, because if you succeed, then the country succeeds. >> i have great respect. the meeting lasted for almost an hour and a half. and it could have-- as far as i'm concerned it really could have gone a lot longer. we discussed a lot of different situations. some wonderful, some difficulties. i very much look forward to dealing with the president in i look forward to being with you many, many more times in the future. >> yang: as rerpoters shouted questions, mr. obama even offered his suessor a bit of advice: >> this is a good rule: don't answer any questions when they just start yelling them. >> it's always the last one. >> yang: white house press secretary josh earnest said the meeting was "a little less awkward" than some had expected.
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>> i feel confident that they did not resolve all their differences, i also feel confident that they didn't try to solve all their differences. what they sought to do was to lay the foundation for an effective transition from the obama presidency to the trump presidency. >> yang: another part of that foundation: relations with congress. donald trump will have a unified government: republicans in control of the white house, the senate and the house. but will the republicans be unified? meeting with the president-elect this afternoon, house speaker paul ryan, whose relationship with candidate trump was sometimes rocky, pledged to work together. >> we are now talking about how we are going to hit the ground running to make sure that we can get this country turned around and make america great again. >> yang: mr. trump made clear that some of the republican house's priorities are also his priorities: >> whether it's healthcare or
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immigration, so many different things, we'll be working on them very rapidly. i think we'll be putting things up pretty quickly. >> yang: he also met with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. the trump team is also gearing up for the arduous job of building an administration. new jersey governor chris christie, former house speaker newt gingrich and former new york major rudy giuliani are being widely mentioned for top positions. for the pbs newshour, i'm john yang at the white house. >> woodruff: also today, vice president biden had his own meeting, with the vice president-elect, mike pence. and first lady michelle obama hosted melania trump at the white house for tea, as their husbands talked. >> sreenivasan: in the day's other news, the "trump rally" carried wall street to a new record. investors bid up bank shares, amid hopes for an easing of financial regulations. that sent the dow jones industrials to a new record close, gaining 218 points to finish near 18,808.
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the nasdaq fell 42 points as money shifted out of tech stocks, and the s&p 500 added four. >> woodruff: the president-elect still faces legal troubles, over his now-defunct trump university. it's the subject of a civil fraud lawsuit, and today, a federal judge in san diego refused to issue a blanket ban on using campaign statements as evidence. the case goes to trial on november 28, but the judge urged both sides to settle, given, as he said, "all else that's involved." >> sreenivasan: tuesday's election has sparked a wave of protests against the outcome. at least 10 cities saw demonstrations last night, with more to come tonight. >> not my president, not my president! >> sreenivasan: that refrain echoed across cities throughout the country overnight, from new york, to kansas city, to seattle, washington.
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thousands of protesters, mostly young people, condemned the election of donald trump. in los angeles, they blocked major highways, slowing traffic to a crawl. and elsewhere, they burned a papier-mache effigy. >> we cannot tolerate that man as president of this country. i will not. i will never accept this. >> this is a protest advocating love and that there are good people out here in this world that want to fight for equality. >> sreenivasan: there was some scattered violence. crowds in oakland, california, set fires in roads and broke windows of businesses. police responded with tear gas. all told, more than 100 people were arrested nationwide. the trump camp dismissed the protesters. former new york mayor rudy giuliani spoke on fox news this morning: >> the reality of the fact is that they're a bunch of spoiled crybabies. >> sreenivasan: white house spokesman josh earnest said president obama believes in non-
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violent protest, but also that, in his words, "we're americans and patriots first." demonstrations carried into the day, including walkouts by high school students in some places. more protests are set in several cities tonight as well. >> we are not going to stay quiet. we're not going to go back to the closets we are going to go out on the streets and continue to fight for our rights. >> sreenivasan: natalia aristizabal is with the immigration rights group "make the road n.y.," which claims about 20,000 members. >> these actions are not this is actually for our communities and for us to be able to have a space that is safe but that allows us to yell and to shed our anger and tears but do it together because that's the only way that we're going to get through this. >> sreenivasan: her group plans to march sunday in manhattan. >> woodruff: there's more reaction overseas to the trump victory. the president of the european commission called for clarity today from the president-elect: on trade, climate change and nato. jean-claude juncker spoke in berlin, and noted mr. trump has
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voiced doubts or criticism on all three issues. >> ( translated ): we expect the designated u.s. president to be clear on what his intentions are. we would like to know how things will proceed with the global trade policy, we would like to know what intentions mr. trump has regarding the alliance. we must know what climate policies he intends to pursue and all this must be cleared up in the next few months. >> woodruff: meanwhile, british prime minister theresa may spoke with president-elect trump by phone. her office says he invited her to visit him, soon. and south korea president park geun-hye had her own phone chat. candidate trump had talked of withdrawing some u.s. forces from the south. today, park's office quoted him as saying: "we are going to be with you 100%." >> sreenivasan: a top advisor to the president-elect caused a stir over israeli settlements today. jason greenblatt told israeli army radio: "west bank settlements are no obstacle to peace". that would be a marked departure from long-standing u.s. policy.
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>> woodruff: back in this country, a man accused of exploding bombs in new york city and new jersey had his first appearance in federal court. ahmed khan rahimi is facing terrorism charges for the september attacks that injured 30 people. he did not enter a plea today. rahimi was born in afghanistan, but is now a u.s. citizen. >> sreenivasan: and, the man who bills himself "america's toughest sheriff" has been turned out of office. long-time arizona lawman joe arpaio lost his re-election bid on tuesday, after 24 years in office. he'd gained prominence for his aggressive stance on illegal immigration. but he also sparked federal investigations of alleged racial profiling. still to come on the newshour: what a president trump could do his first 100 days in office. why women did not vote the way many expected. the islamic state's attempt to take over another iraqi city, and much more.
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>> woodruff: a peaceful transfer of power is a pillar of american democracy. as president obama welcomed president-elect trump in the oval office, we take a look back at how these transitions have gone in the past with jon meacham, author of "destiny and power, the american odyssey of george herbert walker bush." and nancy gibbs, editor-in-chief at "time" magazine and co-author of "the presidents club." welcome both of you back to the program. jon meacham, to you first. i know we don't have a lot to go on, just that short photo opportunity in the oval office, but how did it look to you that this transition is getting off? >> well, better than expected given that 48 hours ago they were at each other's throats. so it's... the bar has been lowered in many ways in this campaign. and so why wouldn't that be true in terms of a transition? i think that president obama has hit all the right notes.
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i think that president-elect trump has hit all the right notes since election night, as did secretary clinton. and so i think that this may be the short et cetera honey moon ever, but at least it's a period of some tranquility after the storm. >> woodruff: nancy gibbs, as someone who studied transitions going back for many presidents, how does this one look so far? >> well, it looks like a pattern we've seen before, which is two politicians of different parties who have been cast as political opponents who very quickly come together when they find themselves in a new position. this tradition goes back to 1952 when harry truman invited the newly elected dwight eisenhower to the white house after eisenhower's election. those two men could not stand each other and were barely on speaking terms. they were very, very bitter rival, and truman, who himself had taken office with no precipitation, so suddenly when franklin roosevelt died, felt in the nuclear age it was just too
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dangerous for anyone to walk into the oval office unprepared. so he invited eisenhower to come, briefed him, had the cabinet secretaries meet. ized -- eisenhower in turn did the same thing with john f. kennedy, once again a man from a different party whom eisenhower had little respected for, but they respect the office and the demands of it. they want to make sure the guy coming in to take over understands just what it is he's facing. >> a lot of us don't realize there's been witterness going back for a long time. jon meacham, what are examples of what... of a transition that has worked well, where the two sides have had to overcome some challenges, but they have made it happen? >> well, i don't think we have to go back very far. if you go back to the dismal autumn of 2008 when a lot of people believed that the economy, i think as president bush put it at the time, that the sucker could go down, and there were an enormous number of
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emergency financial steps that had to be taken. we've heard both president obama and president bush talk about how smooth that transition was. and i think as nancy says, it speaks well of the office. the other factor here i think is politicians admire vote-getters, even if they disagree with everything that they did to get the vote. and so there's a certain clubbiness here that they respect strengths, they respect those who master the world that they've mastered. and i suspect though president obama might not admit it, i suspect somewhere in his being there's a curiosity about this man who has shaken up american politics so profoundly. >> woodruff: what about that, nancy gibbs? what are some of the factors that might lend themselves to a more successful hanover -- handover of power? >> one thing that's important to bear in mind is some part of this is very practical about the
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nuts and bolts of a smooth transition, not just the level of president to president, but cabinet members, white house staff members, national security officials, of having as much communication as possible so that goes smoothly, but some part of this is theater, and i think particularly after a very bitter campaign of the kind we just saw, there's a recognition that the country needs to see this, that the world needs to see it, that the country comes first and the well-being of the people comes first, and to see these two teams working together is an important part of sort of national reconciliation. >> woodruff: jon meacham, how much has that played in the transition in the past, especially right now? these two men have their own differences, but we're watching a country that's still very divided. >> absolutely. the first peaceful transfer from one party in power to the other party was in 1800. and it was a very close-run thing because of a controversy
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with the election between adams and jefferson, and they were insistent that the constitutional order clean-up that auntilly in the electoral college and make this transition happen. that set a pattern. one of the remarkable things is that we had in the union states an election in 1864. there are certain, to go to nancy's point, there are certain rituals that send an important cultural and political signal that the body politic is intact. it may be fighting each other, one arm may be trying to punch the other fist, but ultimately it is one country, and the political order is bigger than any one person. >> woodruff: nancy gibbs, if you're donald trump, what are you looking for from president obama and the people around him, and conversely, what is president obama looking for from the trump team in. >> well, you know, this is going to be so interesting to watch
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because naturally anyone who has just been elected president may think they have all the answers and have no need for advice, that they have just had the affirmation from the country they are ready to lead, and they very quickly discover how much they don't know. so i think that it was interesting that president-elect trump today talked about turning to president obama for counsel, and there's a listening tradition of that, as well. again, from former political adversaries, from people who don't share any partisan views in common, and yet recognize the need to be talking to each other and the resource that former presidents can be. so i suspect, you know, president-elect trump would like to know that he can call president obama in months to come when he needs to, and i think president obama would like the know that that phone line is open, as it has been in the past between sitting presidents and their predecessors. >> woodruff: jon meacham, go ahead. >> the real danger is hubris. president kennedy did not have,
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as nancy mentioned, eisenhower didn't think much of kennedy. kennedy didn't think too much of eisenhower. he thought he was too bureaucratic, and kennedy comes in, wants a free-wheeling style, empowers the c.i.a., empowers kind of a more improvisational decision-making world, and that led him to the bay of pigs in april of 1961. what does he do after that disaster? he picks up the phone and he invites dwight eisenhower to comp to camp david, and that do it all again. they sort of had to have a second transition to some extent. and so i think that's the great cautionary example. these men need to listen to each other. and learn quickly. >> woodruff: what's for sure is all eyes are on the two of them. we thank both of you, jon meacham, nancy gibbs, we appreciate it. >> thanks, judy.
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>> sreenivasan: after that transition to the white house, donald trump will settle in for his first day of work: january 21, 2017. he's already proposed the actions he wants to take within his first 100 days in office, but which campaign promises can he realistically tackle in that time? for more on this, we're joined by alan gomez, immigration reporter for "usa today," julie rovner, senior correspondent for kaiser health news and scott horsley, white house correspondent for npr who was at the white house today for trump's meeting with president obama. scott, let me start with you. he has specified, he has specified a contract with his voters that have a lot of things on it. it ranges everything from repealing obamacare to backing out of trade deals to undoing all the executive actions. so which of those are achievable in the first 100 days? >> well, some of the things,
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like repealing obamacare, will take cooperation from congress, and that may be more time consuming. but some of them donald trump can at least start on on day one or maybe day three. day one i think is a saturday. but very early on he can start to undo some of the executive orders that president obama has put in place, and president obama has used executive orders to advance a lot of things that he was unable to push through a republican-controlled congress. in areas like immigration, where he granted a reprieve to young people who came into the country illegally as children, a reprieve from deportation. that could be undone quickly by donald trump. the big area on those executive orders is climate change. much of the president's climate agenda has been executed administratively or through the executive branch and through the e.p.a., and donald trump has promised to unwind that. the clean power plan, which regulate coal-fired power planteds, for example, that's what the heart of what the u.s.
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did as part of the paris climate accords. that could be reversed. it's on hold anyway because of legal challenge, but that could be reversed very quickly by president-elect trump. >> sreenivasan: julie rovner, one of the key cornerstones of all the republicans running are to repeal and replace obamacare. let's listen to a clip of part of this contract that president-elect trump made in his recent speech at gettysburg. >> the repeal and replace obamacare act. fully repeal obamacare and replace it with health savings accounts. we can do that. >> sreenivasan: two parts. first, the repeal, how easy is that? >> not that easy. if you want the repeal the entire law, you'll need 60 votes in the senate, unless they get rid of the filibuster, which seems unlikely. the republicans don't have 60 votes. they can repeal parts of it using a budget process, but even that will take time because in order to get to that bill, they have to do a budget resolution
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first. that will take a matter of weeks. this is not something that's likely, even the partial a repeal, to be accomplished in the first 100 days. >> sreenivasan: are there any things they can do to decrease the amount of medicaid that's going out? >> they can do a lot of things. because the republican congress has been saying, repeal and replace since the bill became a law in 2010, president obama has had to do a lot of implementing it by executive order, and president trump could just reverse a lot of those executive orders. he could make all kinds of mischief with the law. one thing they're talking about doing is a two-step repeal and replace, they'd repeal part of it and let it stay in effect for some portion of time while they try to come up with a replacement. so it's hard to know whether they want to do a lot of disincentives if they're intending to leave it intact so they don't take health insurance away from 20 million people. >> christa: adam lopez, another cornerstone of this campaign that resonated with so many of his voters was to build
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a wall between the united states and mexico. take a listen to another clip. >> end illegal immigration act. fully fund the construction of a wall on our southern border -- don't worry about it. remember, i said mexico is paying for the wall. >> sreenivasan: what are the walls in between that idea and reality? >> well, building a wall and figuring out how to get mexico to fund that is absolutely something that he has to work with congress on. they have to create a whole legal mechanism to try to withhold the remittens that will go back to mexico that he says will be the basis for paying for this wall, and funding it will require a lot of work from congress. but this is one area where the president absolutely has a lot of discretion when it comes to deportation to, refugees, to who gets admitted into the country, those other things he talked about throughout the campaign. he has a lot of power in that
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area. >> sreenivasan: about the deportations. how many people are allowed to stay in this country right now who are not actively being prosecuted to be deported because of what president obama has done through executive action? >> well, right now it's about over 800,000 young undocumented immigrants who have been granted deferred action for childhood arrivals program, daca. there are 800,000 kids who have that right now. that was created by a memorandum by the department of homeland security. so president trump's secretary of homeland security can just rescind that and put a new one and all of a sudden all those kids are open to deportation. but there's also the question of the entire border patrol, all of immigration and customs enforcement. they can now be refocused, retasked on going out and finding more people and getting them deported. he would need more money to ramp up the deportation to the level that he's talked about, but in the short term, he can absolutely redirect them and
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really increase that deportation apparatus. >> christa: scott horsley, one of the first things on that contract donald trump has with voters is he wants to impose term limits on congress. as we saw senate leader mitch mcconnell yesterday, that's not going to be something the senate takes up, not that this is a failure of his contract before he even gets into office, but this is a relationship business. >> that's right. i think senator mcconnell called that a non-starter, even though it's at the top of the 100-day agenda. >> sreenivasan: so in terms of those things in that contract, what does the president-elect do, scott horsley scott horsley to, try to figure out ways where things can be more palatable to a congress that's willing and interested in working with him? >> well, there was a lot of stuff on that list that donald trump hasn't talked a lot about during the campaign. and a lot of that drain-the-swamp stuff wasn't really a major focus of his campaign, the term limit, the lobbying limits. that's not something he campaigned on for months and months at a time.
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the real priorities, and these are the things he talked about when he went up to the hill today to meet with mitch mcconnell and house speaker paul ryan, he focused on jobs, immigration, and hillary clinton. -- health care. by health care he means repealing obamacare. those are all things republicans will look on favorably. >> sreenivasan: it's reported that 100,000 people signed up for obamacare after the result of the election came in. the replace is one part that is very complicated, as you mentioned. paul ryan seems to be fairly confident that with a president who will not veto this, that it's more possible. but how complicated is it to try to come up with something that they're going to have to have some bipartisan agreement on to get forward? >> well, it's very complicated. for the people signing up now for 2017, every indication is that that coverage will start on january 1, 2017, and continue probably even until the end of
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2017, possibly until the end of the following year, because what congress seems to want to do is do this partial repeal and pick a date out in the future, basically give themselves time, let the program exist as it is, give themselves time to come up with that replacement. that replacement is going to be very difficult. republicans have had six years to come up with the replace part of repeal and replace, and the best they've been able to come up with is a still pretty outline outline that house speaker ryan came out with last summer, but turning that into a real program might be difficult and it might not be able to get through the senate. so it's a risky proposition, although they have vowed so hard to repeal the law that they pretty much can't not. >> sreenivasan: and politically 20 million people are now issued that weren't. >> and 20 million people whose insurance is tied directly to the affordable care act, so they would be at risk of removing that coverage if the law were repealed and nothing replaced it. >> sreenivasan: another thing the president-elect had was the
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refugees coming into the country. he wanted to cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them become and suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where extreme vetting can't happen. so the second part of that, how does he implement extreme vetting or how do his advisers or his future department of homeland security do that? >> well, that's another area where he has a lot of power. when it comes to refugees first off, president obama has increased the number of refugees that the u.s. has accepted each year from 70,000 to 85,000 to 110,000 in 2017. president trump could bring that down to 0. that's completely in the purview of the president. when it comes to blocking immigrants coming from other countries, at first he called it a ban on muslims. he later changed that to say he wants to ban people who are coming from countries that spoonser terrorism, who are fostering terrorism, and there's a provision in the immigration nationality thank allows a president to bar specific immigrants or whole classes of
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immigrants who are deemed detrimental to the interest of the united states. so right now there's a lot of immigration lawyers around the country sitting there saying, he could absolutely do that, and it would be really hard the challenge that in court because courts have traditionally allowed presidents to really take the lead when it comes to immigration. >> sreenivasan: alan gomez from "usa today," scott horsley from ppr, julie rovner, thank you so much for joining us. >> woodruff: when it comes to economics, president-elect trump has promised to revive american manufacturing, get tough on trade with china, cut taxes and invest in infrastructure. our economics correspondent paul solman sat down with historian adam tooze to discuss mr. trump's agenda. it's part of his weekly series "making sen$e."
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>> reporter: columbia university's adam tooze, historian of the economics of third reich germany in a book called "wages of destruction," and more recently author of "the deluge," on world war i and its economics. at the moment, he's working on a book about the crash of 2008. all of which qualified him, i thought, to put donald trump's economic plans in historical context. >> well, i think as a historian, what strikes one the most about this program, is just simply its nationalism, with his commitment to the redevelopment of american manufacturing, and industrial jobs, providing jobs for the constituency that was so important in electing him. >> reporter: but he's addressing that constituency. >> that is certainly the promise of his campaign, and the promise of his economic program. this economic program is really the pick-up truck of economic programs, it's the ford f-150 of economic programs, it's about manufacturing, it's about oil,
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fossil fuels, it's a deliberate, forceful reassertion of an image of american industrialism that we have inherited from the 20th century. >> reporter: as a historian do you find that anachronistic? >> well in some senses i think it's almost deliberately anachronistic, there's a retro feel to the trump program, and one can understand the politics of that at this moment, it's an effort to buy time for a constituency of workers who have really been suffering in the last 20 years, and who need to be prepared and be given time to prepare for a transition to a very different type of employment that we may moving onto in the coming decades. what will be interesting to see is whether or not we see from the administration initiatives on hgher education, for this workforce. because if those kinds of training opportunities are not provided, then i do think this program begins to look like a defensive, holding action, a rear guard action, buying time
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for workers who might not otherwise find positions in the 21st century. >> reporter: but this was the rationale for saving the auto industry, wasn't it? the democratic party's rationale, which is, we preserve jobs at least for a while, to keep the people who have had them employed. >> i think there's a real common ground here, in fact. that was an exception within the obama administration's economic policy, a crisis that he inherited from the previous administration, and felt it was essential to carry through on. but in a sense i think one can see the trump program as if it were that element of the bailout of 2009, writ very large, and now extended out towards both fossil fuels, and on the other hand the infrastructure program, which is such a key element on the spending side of the trump program. >> reporter: you're a scholar of the economics of the first world war, and the economics of the second world war, germany in particular. is there a connection in your
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mind between the proposed >> you might as well have also said f.d.r. and the new deal. i mean the 1930s are the birth moment of modern public sector, government-driven infrastructure spending, and the heyday perhaps of american public infrastructure is the sputnik moment of the 1950s, the eisenhower administration, for instance, which rolls out the modern interstate system, the highway system of the united states is built during this period. this has a proud american history behind it, which trump, in some sense, has seized ownership of. >> reporter: but this is a program that has been associated with the democratic party, not the republican party? >> well i think there you have to be careful, because in the trump stimulus package there were two elements. one is the infrastructure investment program, which at this moment does not have the financing spelled out in any effective form. what we do have is a gigantic matching tax cutting program as a way of stimulating the economy.
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>> reporter: how have these tax cuts worked when you look back at economic history? >> there's no doubt that they act as a stimulus, how could they not, in a sense. you're giving cash back to households. but they have two aspects, one is that they're unpredictable, and that often rich and more affluent households are slow to spend the funds. the other thing about tax cuts is that they're re-distributive, so they tend, naturally, to benefit those who pay tax, and income tax in particular in the united states is concentrated on the top half of the income distribution, and very heavily skewed toward the top ten, or even top one percent. so if you stimulate the economy by means of a tax cut, the people that you tend to be benefiting are the better off. >> reporter: so much of president-elect trump's economic policy is focused on unfair competition from china. is he not right to say that the competition has been unfair, and
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ought we not be doing something about it? >> viewing that complex relationship one-sidedly from the aspect of manufacturing, and the impact of chinese imports on the united states, make sense from the point of view of the rust belt of the united states. it may even make sense as a political strategy, for a candidate running for office. but a dramatic unwinding of that relationship, by way of an aggressive trade policy, is one of the nightmare scenarios for the global economy as a whole, because it would result in a spiraling depreciation of the dollar, a surge in american interests rates, a collapse in the market for american government debt, and it would be terrible both for the united states and china. the sorts of sectors which feature so largely in the trump program, and it's rhetoric, account now for perhaps only about 15% of the american workforce. >> reporter: and that's manufacturing. >> manufacturing, industry, mining, construction, heavy, manual, blue collar work. the vast majority of americans
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are employed in service sector industries, and many of those sectors are highly internationalized, the most high value added sectors, notably the tech sector, is massively globalized. and for them it will be a disaster if america's trade policy was to go down, spiraling down towards protectionism. >> reporter: could the trump constituency be seeing something that a lot of the rest of america simply denies? that is, that there aren't going to be that many good jobs in the future, because of automation, technology, and therefore there's a need, a social need, a moral need for the country to preserve their jobs for at least as long as we can. >> what i think the appeal of the trump program has been is that it offers some kind of concentrated, specific, historically rooted, a familiar image of how ordinary americans, regular americans can earn their living. >> reporter: in the here and now. >> in the here and now, right
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now, in a way in which we understand and appreciate, and which gives people a sense of dignity and value, and i think the niche, the gap which this program fills is one which previous democratic administrations, for all their futuristic embrace of globalization. >> reporter: a bridge to the 21st century? >> there was a bridge to the 21st century, and yet somehow, for very large number of americans, it was unclear how you got from one place to the other. from being a manual working class man, to being some part of a brooklyn based sharing economy, that lack of clarity is, in a sense, what this vision of manufacturing work rejuvenated fills. >> reporter: adam tooze, thank you very much. >> been a pleasure. >> woodruff: women make up more than half the u.s. population, and more than half of voters in this election were women. among them, 42% voted for
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president-elect donald trump, while 54% went for hillary clinton. for now, let's hear from two of these voters on what a trump presidency means for women. missy shorey is executive director of maggie's list, a political action group that works to elect conservative women to congress. and goldie taylor is editor-at- large for the daily beast. we welcome both of you back to the program. missy shorey, you were supporting donald trump. he was you candidate. how are you feeling about it? >> well, first of all, thank you, judy, and goldie, thank you for your service and happy birthday to the marine corps. elated would be one word, but it's very important to say as a trump supporter, i'm incredibly happy, but it's very important that we don't gloat but rather we're grateful. >> woodruff: goldie taylor, you did not support mr. trump, how are you feeling? >> i certainly have to agree that this is a time of unity for
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the country. it isn't a time for gloating. it is a time to roll up our sleeves and really get to work. that's going to come i think from all of us. >> woodruff: missy shorey, what do you say to the women, we've seen pictures of women crying, women upset about the election of donald trump. what would you say to them? >> i understand that people can be upset. certainly i was upset as well as many other people when we saw reelections of people who are much more liberal. the past two administrations were very hard for a lot of people, but the important thing to remember is that every time people protest, every time they yell, every time they have a cry-in, if you will, whether it be men or women across america, they're delaying the healing process. this is a democracy, and it's so important for us to respect that. i was proud that the american electorate selected president obama to be our first african american president. and i'm proud no that so many voices of people who haven't voted for decades are now
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voting. >> woodruff: goldie taylor, do you want to respond to that? and in particular, what is it about women's reactions, some of them, to donald trump's election, what is that saying? >> well, i think we all have something to be proud of here. i think it's really the peaceful transition of power, and whether there are protests or tears, that too is protected by our constitution. i think that it's something that we all really should embrace. as this straight comes to be, there will be a torrent of support for his agenda and also a or the rent of opposition. if we this that in a peaceful manner, if we engage in meaningful discourse, if we really grapple with the issues before us, i think that we all win. and i think that once we sort of get through the emotional upheaval of this, and, yes, there was a tremendous emotional upheaval with the last two elections of president obama, once we get over that, we have to get about the work of governing. i think that's going to be awesomely important and sort of ask -- as for the reaction, i
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think there were fair number of women and men who were wholly vested in the notion that we would break that ultimate glass ceiling. for me it was less about symbolism than about the policies that we think may or may not come from this administration. >> woodruff: speaking of the message, i want you both to again look at a little bit of what hillary clinton had to say yesterday in her concession speech directed at young women. >> and to all the little girls who are watching this, never doubt that you are valuable and powerful and deserving of every chance and opportunity in the world to pursue and achieve your own dream. >> woodruff: missy shorey, how should young women, young girls who are old enough to understand what's going on, how should they see this, the first woman who gets close to the presidency is rejected? >> i would argue that they should know that they can
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achieve anything if they work hard for it on their own merit. that's something that necessarily didn't happen here. so looking at women for example, we had a 66% win rate in the general election. we're very proud of that. looking to women like martha mcsally and mia love and a young, very dynamic leader in the u.s. house, they can see that path. now, grantedded, let's be clear, that's not the white house, and indeed, hillary clinton has gotten the closest anyone else has, but our founder margaret chase smith was also placed in nomination by a former party, the public party, in 1964. so from that standpoint, it is attainable, and i really appreciate hillary clinton reminding every woman of that because it is a uniting message. i thought she was very gracious in that moment, and it's very important that we all keep carrying that forward. i certainly hear and agree with what goldy is saying. are we upset that this
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conversation literally downgraded the way it did on both sides? you bet. but more importantly, it's now about the business of putting america back on track and literally making it great again. >> woodruff: we should say the women missy shore was mentioning are members of congress, republican members of congress. goldie taylor, what about hillary clinton's message to young women and what young women in particular should be thinking right now? >> you know, i do think that it was a message certainly of grace, but if we look across the country and what also happened on tuesday night is that there are other women elected to the united states senate, you know, camilla harris from california, tammy duckworth from illinois, harry reid's seat, there will be a woman in his seat come this next term. those are brand-new things for this u.s. senate. and i think they will bring their own cultural lens to this
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job, but having women elected to high office while we certainly aspire to those things, they are really an outcome, you know, rather than sort of, you know, the issue. when we see women attaining high office, we know something else is happening in america, and that means gender equality is growing, and that's really the important part of this. whether or not man or a woman is in the office isless ends relevant the me than how they choose to govern, how they choose to represent their constituencies. >> meaghan: let me come back to the gender question. missy shorey, what does this election say about the willingness of the american people to accept a woman as president do you think? >> well, the fact that you had someone that was major nominee and also another woman who was running on the ticket and made her way to the top tier debate, carly fee fiorina shows we're me than ready. it just needs to be the right woman. >> woodruff: goldie taylor, are you worried the message sent may be we're not ready yet for a
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woman president? >> i think the country is more than ready as judged by the popular vote from tuesday night that hillary clinton really did our country proud and we as women i think, there is something to look to and to point to, but again, hillary clinton, while she was a great national party candidate, she isn't the only woman that's going to run for president again. i think this country is more than ready. and i think one of these days one woman is going to crack that, going to burst through that ultimate glass ceiling. >> woodruff: on that note, i thank both of you. goldie taylor and missy shorey, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> sreenivasan: one of the challenges overseas that the new administration will inherit is the war in iraq. it's been almost a month since the operation to re-take the isis-held city of mosul began. early on, the extremists sought to divert kurdish forces from
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the fight by attacking kirkuk, the oil capital of northern iraq that's been held by the kurds for more than two years. special correspondent christopher livesay recently visited the multi-ethnic city to see how it withstood the attack. >> reporter: kirkuk is over 100 miles southeast of the isis-held city of mosul. but on october 21, no one could tell the difference. it was just four days into the raqi-led offensive to recapture mosul. but as kirkuk residents slept, a unit of isis fighters launched an attack on multiple locations throughout the city. the assault would last more than two days. when it was over, 116 people were dead, including police, military, and civilians; and, more than 80 of the isis fighters were killed. among the dead and injured: guests at the neighboring dar al salam and snowbar hotels in the city center. mustafa mohammed owns both.
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so they hit you with an r.p.g? >> yes, then they came on the second and third floor. >> reporter: here you can see the walls riddled with bullet holes. just outside this window, there's the body armor of one of the militants, he's even got a pot of food. once inside the hotel, the militants had a commanding view of government areas. the hotel is just across the street from the compound of najmaldin karim, the governor of kirkuk. >> we watched them on our monitor and the cameras from outside when they tried to come out, couple of them came to detonate their belt and they were killed by our police. >> reporter: that sounds terrifying, to be watching something like that when you're inside the target they're trying to penetrate. >> 9you don't think of fear at that time, you think about how to kill them. and that's what happened. >> reporter: the attack was indeed suppressed. but it still achieved much in
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the islamic state's broader military strategy as it undergoes a punishing offensive in and around mosul. when isis attacked kirkuk, they managed to divert thousands of anti-isis fighters away from mosul. the attack was so audacious, it recalled the isis takeover of mosul two years ago, thanks in large part to the support of the locals. it appears isis hoped for a similar welcome in kirkuk. but that's not what happened. >> their aim was to come and control this building, to come in it and declare they that had controlled the building and controlled kirkuk for the islamic state. >> there's something about kirkuk that's so different from everywhere else. in other places when these things happen, people hide and run away. the people of kirkuk do the contrary. they put their belts on, their guns on, and they all come in. we lost 34 people who had just come on their own as volunteers.
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so the people of kirkuk are very resilient. and i think isis was in for a surprise. >> reporter: but the attack may have aggravated ethnic tensions. amnesty international and the united nations have accused kurdish authorities of driving hundreds of arab families out of the city in an act of retaliation. >> those reports are totally if that was the policy, none of these would have been allowed to come in. >> reporter: kirkuk is a melting pot of virtually every ethnic group in iraq: kurds, turkmen, and arabs. they've co-existed for centuries, but tensions are not uncommon, and sometimes violent. isis, which is made up of sunnis, has exploited those tensions, and depended on the
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support of sympathetic sunni arabs across iraq and syria. but in kirkuk, that alliance appears weak. during our interview with the governor, a sunni arab named muhammad jawad ali jasim arrived to tell us his story. he says isis militants stormed into his home seeking refuge. instead, jasim says he shot two of them dead with his own ak-47. out of desperation, the third attacker detonated a suicide bomb, wounding him. sheikh anwar al-asi, is the emir of the al-obaid tribes, a prominent sunni in both kirkuk, as well as isis-held territory. he says that many sunnis, including members of his tribes, supported isis at the beginning. >> ( translated ): some sunnis supported isis, and some still >> reporter: those views have made him a target. two years ago, isis blew up his home when he refused to join
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their alliance. of course, its riches aren't limited to cultural diversity. kirkuk is a trove of natural resources. oil fields like this one make kirkuk the largest producer of oil in all of northern iraq. and that makes kirkuk an even more attractive prize to islamic state, which fueled its unprecedented expansion across iraq and syria in large part by selling crude on the black market. these fields are just a short distance from hawija, a vast area held by isis on the border of kirkuk. amir taleb faruq commands the hawija front line for the peshmerga, the kurdish military force that's been the most successful bulwark against isis since its invasion. >> ( translated ): isis attacked over in this area six days ago. but just as in the past, we subdued them, and they didn't break through. >> reporter: moments later, an explosion in isis territory. smoke billows from a white building. coalition forces launched an
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air strike on the same area the night before. coalition airstrikes have been instrumental in repelling isis from kirkuk. major general westa rasul shows us some armored isis vehicles they captured after a battle. they're known as "death cars." >> ( translated ): last year isis sent three of these cars towards kirkuk. two of them were halted, one of them made it three kilometers past the peshmerga front line, because nothing can stop these things. >> reporter: these isis death traps are virtually indestructible. r.p.g.'s can't stop them, machine guns can't stop them, but air strikes can. and one did in this case. this is the exit wound of an airplane that fired a missile on this thing and took it out. the peshmerga and the iraqi army now have hawija surrounded, says the general. but the border is vast, and in some places, porous, despite a sprawling wall the peshmerga have built between kirkuk and the islamic state. it's believed that the fighters
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who launched the attack on kirkuk came from this area and locals fear they could come again. so it might happen again >> it might happen again, we just don't know. >> reporter: but that isn't stopping him from rebuilding his hotels. despite the risks from isis, and lingering sectarian divisions in kirkuk, he says the city will endure. kirkuk will outlive isis, he says. but the future of iraq is less certain. for the pbs newshour, i'm christopher livesay, in kirkuk. >> woodruff: online, a columnist looks at other foreign policy challenges around the globe facing the new president. that and more is on our web site, >> sreenivasan: and that's the newshour for tonight. on friday, the first of two special reports on the paris attacks, one year later. i'm hari sreenivasan. >> woodruff: and i'm judy woodruff. join us online, and again here
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