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>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, donald trump and the future of american foreign policy. a new saber rattling over north korea's nuclear capability. and a new film about the hidden figures that helped america win the space race. >> we all get there together or we don't get there at all. we're in the fight of our lives, people! >> my girls are ready. we can do the work. >> more than 50 million americans watching. >> ca i got a warning light. there's a real fireball outside. it's getting a little hot in here. >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen.
>> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? the best of both worlds? >>. >> rose: is it luck at all or something else? >> i couldn't have planned it any better. >> displ what's the object lesson here? >> to try to show they're fighters. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. rose: this was the week both the president and the president-elect received classified briefings on russia's hacking in the united states. the republican leadership in the new congress moved forward with plans to dismantle obamacare. and penn state won the rose bowl for the 25th time. here are the sights and sound of the past seven days.
>> the world rings in 2017. >> police in turkey are detaining suspects. >> paul ryan and majority leader kevin mccarthy opposed closing this office. >> i've never teen seine it so crowded. >> the customs computer outage clogged airports. >> it was hot and sweaty, the a.c. wasn't working. >> in new york city more than 100 people are recovering aferl their commuter train derailed. >> we heard a big boom! >> breaking news coming in out of fort lauderdale. a shooter opened fire, we believe multiple people hit. >> i don't think the intelligence community gets the credit it's due for what it does day in and day out to keep this nation safe and secure. >> rose: the intelligence community set to brief president-elect donald trump on russian hacking. >> we have clear evidence over
and over again that there are people very high in the intelligence community who have been politically redesigning what they say. >> republicans are moving forward with their long-standing promise to repeal obamacare. >> that will show them, because if there's one thing donald trump hates it's putting his name on things. ♪ i believe i can fly >> 100 years old, and he jumped out of a plane. >> oh, wow! wonderful! ♪ working on night moves >> thieves pulling off a braizien heist in midtown, manhattan. ♪ hit me with your best shot >> the dart world championship. a member of the audience tried to make off with the trophy. no one hit him with any darts. ♪ hit me with your best shot >> rose: we begin this evening with the controversy over russia's role in the american election. friday afternoon, u.s. intelligence officials released a declassified report what says
russian president vladimir putin ordered an influence campaign aimed at the u.s. presidential election, and in what may be a shift, president-elect trump seemed to acknowledge the possibility, in a statement after he received the classified version of that same report. mr. trump continues to insist, if there was hacking it does not affect the election as outcome. joining me are michael sher of the "new york times" and david ignatius of the "washington post." let me begin with michael. michael you met some-- some "times" people i think by telephone talked to trump. what was his demeanor, attitude, sense of talking about this meeting that was going to plac place today and the ongoing controversy between him, his advisers, and the intelligence community in washington? >> well, i had a brief conversation with him. it was on the phone. it was about 10 minutes. i-- i initially talked to him about some comments that had
been made about-- on his behalf about the wall, building the wall on the border with mexico. but i quickly asked him about whether or not he was eager and looked forward to the meeting with the intelligence officials that was happening later in the day. and, really, like, once i asked that first question, he-- it just sort of all spilled powpt he was very eager to talk about it, very eager to talk about-- to say repeatedly how much he felt like the motivation behind all of this discussion and focus on russian hacking was really what he called several times during the conversation a political witch-hunt. you know, he said he respects intelligence people but, really, kept coming back to this idea of motivation. that was what he really wanted to talk about. >> rose: david, you know the intelligence community. they have now had their meeting with donald trump. he said it was constructive, but he didn't seem to indicate that he had changed his mind. do you know more than that? >> i don't, charlie. all we have at this hour is the
initial readout of the meeting. the tone was slightly milder than in his comments to michael earlier in the day. it's clear that he is still fundamentally rejecting the breadth of the argument being made by the intelligence chiefs. and he doesn't seem to understand that the argument that they're making isn't about the outcome of the election. he was quick in his comments after the meeting to say that there was no evidence that the outcome was affected-- in other words, that his victory was diminished. whether they succeeded in that or not, i think to most observers and analysts, it's secondary to the fact what they tried to do it, and the danger that that poses. that doesn't really seem to connect with trump, at least in terms of the initial commencements he's making. it's really more about him.
"this doesn't diminish my success, my victory." >> rose: but we don't know why. >> we don't know why -- >> why is he refuses to accept it when he is assured no one is questioning his election? >> charlie, that's one of the fundamental mysteries of this. there really is no part of our government that works more closely with the white house than the intelligence community. he belittled them. he called their findings ridiculous. he was dismissive in all sorts of ways. why he's done that is hard to understand. i just want to make one final point. each time he's been pushed on this, he doubles down. he kind of-- he draws the circle even tighter, as in his remarks to michael sheer this morning about the political witch-hunt nature, as he sees this. >> rose: go ahead, michael? >> can i just-- can i just add? i think what david said is right, but i think there's also, for him, a broader sense of feeling like he has to push back
against the entire conversation that he really feels delegitimizes his election in some ways and that's, you know, fundamental to him is this idea that he-- he won the presidency fair and square, and he's going to do everything he can, you know, to push back against the idea that he didn't. >> rose: i mean, i keep asking the question toicl to ellie annn way and others. what would it take to convince him that the russians hacked and for whatever purpose that you hacked? and secondly, what is his relationship with the russians? >> well, i think you're posing the right questions. why is he so ready to defend russia, ready to side with russia's friends and allies, even saying, seemingly nice things about julian assange, the head of wikileaks, who was dismist of the idea that he's
hacks were russian orchestrated. it's just all, to observers, seems peculiar. and the question, obviously, is what kind of policies toward russia will he adopt as president? >> rose: also in, with the transition of power is mao in full swing. president obama's is preparing the farewell address he will give in chicago on tuesday. and the following day the senate is set to begin confirmation hearings on six members of donald trump's cabinet. mike allen has more from that on washington. he is the cofounder of a new media company and they will start publication of a new blog,axuous a.m. let me an update as to not only when it's going to begin, but
how republicans and the trump administration sees it. >> charlie, we're going to see for the first time, the trump administration coming together, a rapid-fire series of confirmation hearings. he's trying to show that he has his ducks in a row. democrats now, who before were saying that the trump show was chaos, now they're saying republicans are trying to rush it. and so with a number of these nominees, probably eight all together, democrats are going to try tow slow them down. but next week, in the senate, we'll start hearing the cases for these nominees getting clues of where the administration is headed. >> rose: the term being used is "flooding the zone" which is a sports term that the republicans are coming in. so what's the democratic strategy? >> well, charlie, the democratic strategy is to argue that these nominees haven't been carefully
vetted, that the process is being rushed, that republicans are deliberately trying to rush it. republicans, a lot of people who have been around washington a while, will argue that democrats would be better off picking one or two to focus on. >> rose: this is a strategy that's under the, i assume, under chuck schumer, the democratic leader of the senate? >> exactly so, charlie. chuck schumer is going to be in a tough spot coming up in the weeks ahead with so many of his senators in 2018 up for re-election in states that trump carried, he's going to have to try to do some deals with trump. he's going to have to not look totally ondestructionist. so this confirmation period is a chance for democrats to try to show that they're fighters. >> rose: with respect to the nomination of rex tillerson, do they believe that the controversy over russian hacking will be an impediment for him,
even though it doesn't concern him? >> charlie, the best intel, is an impediment and that yes there will be a lot of conversation about it and it won't sink in. at the moment, republicans are confident in rex tillerson, the former exon c.e.o., being confirmed. >> rose: then there's president obama. what's on his agenda as he moves towards inauguration day. i know there's a big party in washington tonight pain lot of president's friend will be there. >> yeah, that's the second hottest ticket of the week will be the president's party tonight. and then next week we'll see the president going home, the president going to illinois to give a farewell address, closing the loop, back when he started in january 2007, right? yeah, january 2007, when young u.s. senator obama gave that
moving speech on the steps of the capitol in springfield. now the president going home, but under very different circumstances than he expected. he expected this to be more triumphant. he's gog use it to put a capstone on his own legacy, but, of course, that legacy now being threatened and much more uncertain than anybody anticipated just a couple months ago. >> rose: new year's drai brought new concern over north korea's nuclear weapons program. kim jong-un announced his country was making final premgz to conduct its first test of an intercontinental ballistic missile, one that could deliver a nuclear strike to parts of the united states. such a weapon would pose a significant challenge to the new administration.
in response, president-elect donald trump tweeted, "it won't happen." david sanger of the "new york times" is their national security correspondent. >> we than they have worked for a long time to build an i.c.b.m., and they have been very successful at various point with short-range and some medium-range rockets. they've also had some spectacular failures. >> rose: but they say they learn from their failures. >> and they do learn from their failures. look, my own view, is there's in kim jong-un keeping us guessing and he takes a very big risk in setting off the launch. right now he has the best of both worlds. we think he will soon be able to reach the united states, and he doesn't have to go through the risk of having a spectacular failure. if he launches this thing and it fails, he looks pretty embarrassed. >> rose: if in fact it was unacceptable for iran to have a nuclear weapon that thaiblgd
deliver, is it also unacceptable for north korea to have a nuclear they can deliver? >> i can't imagine an american president, any american president, living with that possibility. >> rose: therefore, what are that president's options. >> options are not great. what is the difference between iran and the north korean's case? in iran's case they, didn't have nuclear weapons yet, and so focusing on keeping them from getting to that point made an enormous amount of sense sense and a combination of sanctions and sabotage, that we've talked about before, delayed the day and allowed a negotiated settlement. in north korea's case, they have the nuclear weapons. there's no doubt about that. they've done five or six nuclear tests. the last ones have looked, at least from what little we can tell, to be pretty successful. >> rose: that doesn't mean they're small enough to put on topave warhead. >> and it doesn't mean the warhead could survive re-entry on an icbm, and a lot of things
could go wrong. but it does mean it's too lot to focus on stopping the actual weapon and you have to focus on the means of delivery and you have to focus on the combination of whether you can actually make a weapon small enough. >> rose: so what's the red line? >> i would think that at the moment kim jong-un put a missile a few hundred miles off the of the california coast, did something better than just reach guam, the united states would probably be motivated to some pretty severe action. the question is are you willing to act unilaterally? and we're almost back to the big question of the early bush years about preemption. are you willing to risk a very bloody conflict, one in which you could easily lose soul, becausebecause it is only 40 or0 miles from the north korean border and the north craend could attack it with conventional weapons easy leap. are you order to put that at
risk in order to stop the hypothetical that north korea would launch a nuclear weapon at you? >> rose: the french actress lapierre is wrapping up a very impressive year. he starred in two films in 2016 that have earned her remarkable acclaim. one is called "things to come" the other "elle." >> they all have so multiple layers, and none choose to be nice-- not nice. not necessarily likable persons, nor are they unlikable persons. the situations are sometimes likable, sometimes not likable. and that's what makes the individual the product of situations, whether it is historical, political, sociological? and i was, also, privileged to
work with people who want to render-- we have a vision of the world, no matter how good it is, no matter how bad it is, just how true it is, and how real it is. and the interpretation of that vision in most of my films. >> rose: you love acting. >> i do. >> rose: you love it. >> i do. i love acting because i don't think i act. that's why i love acting. i think most of the time people think that acting is-- have a certain idea of what acting is. i i might have a different idea. i mean, for me, acting is not acting. it's more being. not trying to indicate, just trying to be. very organic. >> rose: so how do you do that? that's my point? >> i concentrate. it's a lot of concentration. it's also forgetting about a certain reality around you, and just being emerged into the present time.
i think that's what movie making is about, being in the present moment, the present time. that's why you can't anticipate acting. you can think about it. you can dream about it, but you can't anticipate about it, preparing or-- because it's about-- it's going-- it's there, you know. it's here and now. >> rose: so it's a merger of you and the character. >> absolutely, uh-huh. and it's a great pleasure. it's very pleasurable. that's why no matter what you do, whether, again, do you very painful situations, very emotional situations, very dramatic situations, it's very exciting. and the reason for the pleasure of doing it. i mean, the pleasure of doing it is not the same as the spectator, you know. >> rose: is this the best time for you, 100 films? but here you have two films that people are noticing in america? >> uh-huh. >> rose: that's pleasing.
>> it is very pleasing, very pleasing. yeah, last night evidence awarded, through the new york film critics circle for both films. and i was-- i was amazed, actually. no, really. i felt so grateful an and-- i m, those are two french-speaking films, and when your work is being acknowledged, understood like it was, like it is, in a different country from yours, it's-- it feels, also, like, that's what you make films for, you know, to put down the borders and to make-- to create circulation between people, between countries. it's very, very rewarding. rose: "hidden figures" the
new film goes into theaters nationwide this weekend. it is the story of three african american women who overcame stereotypes of race and gender to play a key role at nasa in the early days of the space race. they are played in the film. kevin costner plays their boss. the film is written and directed by ted melfy. >> all these women are my heroes. and what she was able to accomplish had not been done before. she was on the course of, you know, being a colored computer, but she had the mind of an engineer. but during this era, the 1960s, women were not even allowed to vote. and as minorities, we were not allowed to attend certain classes because of the color of our skin. so she fought. she petitioned. and she won. she-- she made history. not just for herself but all of
the women around her. everything she did was for the community. she was not going to be a woman who sat back idly and allowed discrimination to face her because of her race or her gender, two things she couldn't change, and two things she would never change because she was proud to be an african american woman. >> rose: and your character? >> i play dorothy vaughn, and i-- dorothy can be credited as the mother of the women's code movement. she was the acting supervisor of the african american computers, but she didn't have the title. and she was instrumental in figuring out the i.b.m., and then learning how to program it, and she taught the other women to program it because she knew their jobs had become obsolete once that computer was up. >> rose: so that's an important role for her. >> she was a visionary. she was able to look two miles down the road and ow that rsh nasa would no longer need
computers. they would need computer programmers. so she taught herself literally, and then taught all of the other women. >> kevin what, do you think this film says? it's an american story-- >> well, you know, it's set against these big backdrops. you're dealing with the civil rights movement. you're dealing with women in the workplace. you're dealing-- and then you top that off with race inside that. so, you know, it's important i think to point out that while this is a good story, i never think that a good story makes a good movie. i think that a good script does. and there's an art form that comes in, in somehow distilling this down against those big backdrops. how personal you can make it? people are always going to react to the big booms in movies but they're always going to be moved by the pardon things, either tuck your children into bed and letting them absolutely believe they can be whatever they want and then go to work and be put down on a daily paiss.
>> don't know if i keep up in that room. >> just make that pencil move as fast as your mind does. >> rose: and what was the most satisfying thing about the entire experience? >> knowing that we were going to introduce the world to-- to a story that no one has ever heard of. i mean, this is so fresh. this is not hike another j.f.k. film-- no pun intended. this is not like-- but you know. this is not a story that we've heard of and you've seen it done millions of ways in theater, on the screen. this is something so new and so refreshing, and i think that's yet world is waiting to see it because it's something that has happened but you've never heard about it. >> especially three female protagonists. that's very rare. >> rose: three african american female protagonists. >> yes. >> rose: who made a significant contribution of great merit. >> yes. >> gl as john glenn said,iment" the smart one." >> yes. >> and then, you know, we've been accustomed to seeing ourselves as being beautiful or as objects sometimes, but now
we're subjects to study until the end of time. >> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the day the north american international auto show opens for previews in detroit. monday is the day the university of alabama plays clemson in the college football championship game. tuesday is the day president obama delivers his farewell address in chicago. wednesday is the 15th anniversary of the opening of the guantanamo detention center. thursday is the day the directors guild film nominations are announced. friday is the day a portrait of president-elect donald trump goes on display at national portrait gallery. saturday is the day the n.f.l. divisional play-offs begin. and here is what's new for your weekend: the adaptation of "hidden figures" is released in
theaters nationwide. >> there's no protocol for women attending. >> there's no protocol for a man circling the earth, either, sir. >> rose: the dropkick murphys had a new album out, "11 short stories of pain and glory." ♪e careful what you ask for 'cause you may get more ♪ >> reporter: and the golden globe awards are broadcast sunday night on nbc. >> old globs? >> it's supposed to say golden globes. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you next captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by:
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