tv Charlie Rose PBS January 12, 2017 12:00am-1:01am PST
>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with an analysis of president-elect donald trump's press conference here in new york. we talked to mckay coppins of the at alan kick, phil radiculopathyinger of "the washington post" and jonathan karl of abc news. >> the problem is trump it's all on-line and people are reading it true or not. that's why he was so angry today in the press conference. said it was fake news and chastised buzz feed for doing this and threatened them saying the news organization would pay consequences, suffer the consequences in the future for this. i think the incoming administration's going to continue to try to fight it. >> president-elect trump was clearly upset with the intelligence community at this press conference today. he several times said it's
outrageous that this information has been leaked and suggested that it was the intelligence community, accused them of being behind it. this is kind of a strange and unusual feud to be having between a president-elect and the intelligence community. it does seem like it's something that's going to continue. >> rose: we conclude with the film harry benson shoot first. we talked to harry benson and co-director mathew miele. >> i think he knows how to get into a situation. he knows how to charm the people he needs to charm but underneath the charm is a manipulation that really is alarming. >> rose: mr. trump's press conference and a photographer's life when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following:
>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: we begin this evening with a look at developments surrounding president-elect donald trump the it was revealed yesterday that american intelligence officials shared with trump and president obama a summary of you been substantiated claims of personal and business information on the president elect. the summary is based on memos by political operatives seeking to derail. today trump spoke to the news media for the first time in six months and certainly the first time since he's been elected. he conceded that russia was behind the hacking of democrats during the presidential campaign. >> as far as hacking i think it
was rush you be we also get hacked buy other countries, other people. >> rose: he denied his ties to russia. >> if putin likes donald trump, guess what folks. that's called an asset not a liability. now i don't know that i'm going to get along with vladimir putin. he shouldn't be doing it. russia will have much greater respect for our country when i'm leading it than when other people have led it. you will see that. russia will respect our country more. >> rose: at one point he got into an argument with cnn reporter calling him and the organization fake news. >> not you. your organization's terrible. your organization's terrible. >> sir, sir. >> quiet, no i'm not going to give you a question. you are fake news. >> rose: trump al is he said today he will not divest from
his vast business holdings as he takes office. instead he will turn over the operations and control of those holdings of a trust overseen by his sons eric trump and donald trump, jr. >> my two sons who are right here, don and eric, are going to be running the company. they are going to be running it in a very professional manner. they're not going to discuss it with me. >> rose: joining me now is phil rucker of "the washington post," mckay coppins of the atlantic and jonathan karl of the abc news. for the record, where did this story begin. take me to the beginning of this story to what we saw today. >> these allegations have been out there for a long time pushed by political opponents of donald trump. but cnn broke the story that these allegations had been part of what was presented to donald
trump. >> rose: allegations were put together by political opponents in the primary process. >> precisely. >> rose: did they rely on the so-called intelligence operative from britain. >> they did. and several news organizations, talked to several people had look into this for a while. i was not directly. but the allegations they weren't readily confirmable. some were readily disprovable. so there was a lot of junk in this report. then of course buzzfeed put out the 35 pages of raw reports quite salacious kind of stuff we can't talk about here on the charlie rose show. it was included as an appendix to the intelligence report on the russian hacking. as i understand, it wasn't directly briefed to president-elect trump. >> rose: during the oral presentation. >> it was a two-page summary, he'll told it was actually quite
sanitized, it didn't have all the details but a two page summary that essentially said there are these unconfished allegations that the russians were trying to compile information that could be used to blackmail donald trump. >> rose: so we also now know trump did not happen. >> it absolutely did not happen. >> rose: he said it did not happen. but the investigation continues or not? >> well the fbi, you know, comy was asked this question directly at the hearing up on the hill and he says he never talks about ongoing investigations which is quite a response from senator king. he said wait a minute, i understand, i seem to recall a letter during the campaign where you did comment on an ongoing investigation. but i don't get the sense there's any serious investigation right now into this. >> rose: is there consensus as to whether these things are true or not true or some of them are true. >> the consensus is there's a heck of a lot in it that's absolutely false. whether or not there are kernels
of truth. >> the problem for trump is it's all on-line and people are reading it whether it's true or not and that's why i think he was so an ree today in the press conference. he said it was fake news and chastised buzzfeed for doing this and even threatened them saying the news organization would pay consequences, suffer the consequences in the future for this action so i think the administration, the incoming administration's going to continue to try to fight it. but it's out there. >> rose: buzzfeed stepped forward as i understand after publication to say there was some things that they later discovered not to be true. >> i believe so, yeah. >> i think even when they published it they said there were things in it they knew were not true. >> rose: what does that say we're publishing things we know not to be true. >> this is a big debate going on in media and journalism.
the question is whether buzzfeed's argument was that this has been circulating at high levels of government and in the intelligence community. and we think it's worth putting it out there and letting readers decide. this is basically the same philosophy that groups like wiki leaks have awe drawptd that rather than editing and parsing the document them just put it out there. a lot of journalists disagree with it. you can see donald trump saying it -- which i also think though frankly is a savvy news because he's trying to divide the press corps a little bit because he knows it's easier to take them on if they're bickering amongst themselves. let's legitimate reasons to debate whether this was a wise or responsible move by buzzfeed. >> the real question is not buzz
feed the real question is why did the intelligence community decide to put any of this into their the report. do they do it because they felt there was perhaps something to this even if a lot of it was demonstrataly false. the intelligence did this at trump because trump had been so critical of him. >> we have access to stuff. >> even though it was just a two page summary and greatly sanitized and didn't have all these salacious details the fact it was in there and the fact it leaked was in there gave the green light to other news organizations to cover it. it's not being circulated as rumors of donald trump but it's something the intelligence community felt including at least an appendix in this important report. >> trud was clearly upset with the intelligence community at this press conference today. he several times said it's
outrageous that this information has been leaked and ughed that it was the intelligence community accused them of being behind it. this is kind of a strange and unusual feud to be having with, between a president elect and the intelligence community. it does seem like it's something let's going to continue. >> rose: he's going to have his director of national intelligence nominee look closely what's going on in those intusions. >> he went so far to suggest this is a nazi, that the intelligence community was leaking to the press to undermind his credible they as the president-elect and spoke about nazi germany. he tweeted back this morning and rent rated it at the news conference and clearly this is bad blood here and it could have severe consequences for the in an security. >> rose: a small point. john mccain evidently did what. he had a five minute interview and said he got the information after the internet.
>> the information came to him and he turned it over to the fbi. the fbi took the lead. an interesting question in the opening days of the trump presidency is what does donald trump do with james comey. >> rose: what can he do. >> comey's got a ten year term but he does seven at the pleasure of the presidency. the president could fire him. i don't get the sense there's a lot of confidence actualing out of trump power of james comey. >> rose: what is the ten year term. >> take it out and have the fbi director -- >> rose: he could fire him -- >> it's not that effective. >> rose: so overall this first press conference was a success for trump. >> first of all like unlike any presidential press conference. it was a free wheeling rollicking affair. he went in there. we've grown accustomed with press conferences with obama and
with george w. bush where everybody is seated he comes in and got a list of questions and asks in ortd press secretary is given. does he have a press something actually calling the reporters instead of the president himself. this was trump just coming out and going free wheeling calling on all kinds of different news organizations and following no planned script. it was really something else. and clearly, you know, not, i mean he was free wheeling in his answers. >> he loved it though. >> he loved every minute of it. i think that trump has not done one since july will be doing i think a lot of pre conferences. >> rose: we can stop and move to other thing in the press conference. has the british intelligence officer or operative been identified? because i thought i saw something today. >> the "wall street journal" identified him. the former intelligence official for the british intelligence and now work for a private security and investigations firm and was
hired by initially republican opponents to donald trump in the primaries. and that's where he started to compile this research. >> rose: but the reports coming out before the press conference today said that within the intelligence community, he had credibility. >> yes. that's true. and i've talked to people in the intelligence community who have been whispering about this stuff for months. well before the election. i don't know if it came originally from him but it certainly, these allegations have been kind of flying around the american intelligence. >> rose: which raises the question was it specifically about trump and what might have happened vis-a-vis russia or with a general accusations about personal behavior. >> well, in this, what has actually come out, what was on the dossier unverified had to do with russia compiling information about trump. that was all i ever heard from sources in the intel community. >> rose: he also spoke about putin today basically said i like him.
if he likes me that's good. it's better for us. >> there were significant things he said today on this. first of all he acknowledged that the russians were responsible for the hacking. >> rose: but he also said the same things about others too. >> yes. but he acknowledged that russia was behind it. i asked him directly what about the other conclusion which was that putin ordered this specifically because he wanted to help you win the election. he didn't dispute that. that's when he said what's wrong with putin liking me. but he added something else a little later in the press conference where he said putin shouldn't have donate. have done it. that's the first criticism or any kind of admonishment from donald trump of pruitten. >> he said putin would not do it that putin wul respect trump and therefore stop these sort of activities. >> rose: i asked this of the secretary of state last night. is there any evidence at after the president met with vladimir
putin saying stop this, we know you're doing it, has there been any. >> that's not to say there isn't one. >> we know there was certainly more activity on wikileaks. >> i think the initial near was about hacking the actual bothing booth or tampering with the actual votes being cast and as it turn out there's no evidence that that happened. at the very least i think the president obama says that he deterred russia. >> an important thing trump said today about the hacking is the democratic national committee was waiting to be hacked. he talked about how weak their internal security system is. >> rose: the republicans knew they were going to be attacked so reince preibus -- >> he said look if the ruksz had obtained information about me trump, they would have put it out. he thinks they would have released it publicly during the campaign and the fact they
didn't is a testament to the security apparatus that the republican party has. >> rose: and why this might have been intended to hurt donald trump, i mean to hurt hillary clinton, not donald trump is that they had information and they only released it the stuff about hillary and never released stuff about them, the republicans. >> there's no evidence that they would have used material to hurt trump. >> there has been reporting that people in the intelligence community believe the rnc was in fact attacked and that certainly counts that the rnc was -- >> there are republicans that were hacked. >> rose: let's talk about what happens to his business. he basically said i'm no longer involved, i'm divesting myself, settling up a trust. my sons will run it. my daughter and my son-in-law
will be in washington and she'll have nothing to do with it, correct. >> yeah. i think one of the incredible moments in all of this is is he he had he was offered a $2 billion deal with dubai just te other day. >> over the weekend. >> and he could have done it. >> i think he intentionally raised a bunch more questions. what was the context of that offer being made. why is he taking business deals or sitting in deals or sitting in meetings that become deal meetings. i mean, i don't know, i would like some more reporting on that because i think that raises serious question. >> there was a specific presentation today though from a lawyer who had been hired by the trump organization to set up this new apparatus and she gave a very detailed prepared statement ticking through everything in an attempt i think to convince the people that everything's been cleared up and
that there aren't any ethical problems remaining. however trump is not divesting from the company, he's not selling his share or ownership of the company he's only going to set back in a trust his sons will run but he's not fully separating himself. >> and they said there would be no new foreign deals while he's president, the domestic deals would be, go through some kind of review process. and there would be a compliance officer named at the company whose job it is to make sure that there aren't conflicts of interest. but the take away here is that all of this boils down to you just have trust me, right. he's gone through the motions of trying to remove any conflicts of interest and the appearance of it. if you do trust donald trump, you can believe in that system. but i don't think that there's been any kind of system to the in place that actually removes the possibility of conflict of interest. and frankly given his very
unusual business holdings, that might be impossible. >> i don't know what he could have done. a lot of the ethics watch dogs were saying you should sell everybody. how do you sell all of that in that period of time. the deals wouldn't be completed by the time he was sworn in or if somebody overpaid, would that have been a bribe. you raise a whole bunch of it others. >> rose: he talked about the supreme court justice. >> yes, he said he had 20 names, he's narrowed that down, he's begun the process of making a nomination which he said would come within weeks of his attorney general being sworn in. >> rose: said he would do what about the wall. >> he wants to build it right away. he is not going to wait for a deal with mexico to pay for it he's going to start building the wall right away and then work out the deal with mexico later. he suggested there could be some sort of border tax to fund it
for mexico, it could take a year or year and-a-half to get the deal with mexico but he is building the wall he vowed. >> just the kind of question and battle over this to congress because they're going to have to provide the funds to do that. >> rose: they would have to do to provide funding for a government expenditure. >> the problem is for those of us who covered the trump campaign. at his campaign rallies, he always said who is going to pay for the wall. people would yell mexico. if you read the fine print of his campaign literature, at least for a long time has said he would go through congress first and mexico would reimburse. it's an open question whether congress is going to just write him a blank check to build this wall. >> i will say he actually did say it at least once, i was there in october at a rally. where he said reimburse instead of pay for it. so at least he was on record
before the election. he slater wouldn't have gotten that impression going to all of those rallies this would be a leah way plan for the wall. it's interesting he put a time frame on it, a year and-a-half. >> rose: what did he say about obamacare. >> he said within weeks of his hhs secretary being sworn this tom price who by the way will have i think a very tough confirmation process but within weeks of him being sworn in, the plan would be submitted, it would be a big beautiful plan we'd all be proud of it. he didn't give any details of what it is or why we would be proud of it. >> rose: talking about dismantling he has no alternative. >> he has no specific alternative. what he said though the repeal and replace would be virtually at the same time perhaps in the same hour. that directly contradicts what republicans in congress are preparing to do which is repealing it by the end of february and then going through a process of replacing parts of it. thought one big giant bill that replaces it all but bits and
pieces and that debate would happen over the course of many months. >> rose: left me go to a couple other things that came up with respect to him. one is his nominee for secretary of state. basically tried to make clear that he has nominated the secretary of state and the future secretary of state. he will be very clear in terms of his attitude towards russia. >> right. well this has been the argument that trump's team has tried to make of rex that while he was ceo he had a different certain of priorities and responsibilities. he was responsible to the shareholders, right. now he's responsible to the american citizens at large and that's kind of the argument. 9 hearings have been going on today and we heard some very tough questions from republicans, from senators including marco rubio so, i would guess that he's going to be confirmed. i think it has not been a completely smooth process. >> rose: okay.
jeff sessions is also going through hearings. >> yes. and his hearings began yesterday. they've been very difficult. in fact senator corey booker, a democrat from new jersey testified against him which is a pretty unusual move on capitol hill. >> rose: first time he ever testified. >> yes. and sessions will, it looks like he probably will win confirmation but again it's been a difficult messy process. trump actually singeled him out for praise in a news conference today and he said he performed brilliantly. trump was watching on tv yesterday and very much a law and order message from sessions. >> i think sessions did have a pretty good hearings. certainly he was roughed up by democrats and a lot of protesters. that was about as much inners the of interruptions as i've seen in one of these hearings. it remind me about the ashcroft confirmation battle, do you remember that. the 42 democrats voted against john ashcroft for attorney general at the beginning of the bush administration. so he did have a senator testify against him but, and he was a
senator. of his fellow senators come out against him. i think he will be ultimately confirmed but that's the hot button position. >> rose: was comey his deputy. >> comey was, yes. >> rose: at the hospital in which they were trying to get him to do something. >> they were trying to get ashcroft was getting a medical procedure done and the white house was trying to get him to sign off on something . >> rose: and comey rushed out there to make sure he didn't do it. >> precisely. let's why there's democrats out there -- >> rose: so the president's been giving a series of enter views. 60 minutes this weekend, george stephanopoulos last weekend. he gave his fare well address. received well? what? >> i thought it was interesting in that you saw obama from 2004
and 2008 was the optimistic obama, idealistic obama. there was some of that in this fare well address the this was more obama the realist who i thought was giving a sense that he believes that american democracy itself is under assault. not necessarily by donald trump but by the deep political divisions, deep racial divisions, by a growing tend towards isolationism. it was, he ended -- >> rose: news and things like that. >> absolutely. and he said something interesting in the interview with george stephanopoulos know lust, george asked him what is the one sentence that historians will use after you were the first african american president to describe you. and he thought bit, he paused and he said he cares deeply about american democracy which seemed like kind of a throw away line but then when you go and hear what he does in the fare well address my sense is he really has a belief that there's
a fundamental challenge right now to the essence of what this country is all about. ways it's a very foreboding lesson. >> rose: he touched on this on interviews because he was asked about it but the idea where the democratic party's in such bad shape in 2017 when he came in with majority of both houses and now the majority in both houses against the democrats, republicans controlling both houses. his argument from his own perspective is i was too busy governing 2450e89s -- that's ws doing and i didn't pay attention to politics. >> and the democratic party is beyond, it's the state offices the governors. and i can tell you that many democrats i've spoken to didn't find the explanation all that convincing. he simply didn't care about them. he didn't care about politics.
he didn't like politics. >> rose: they disagree as to why. and the other thing is that he seemed to be saying that as a candidate, as a candidate, there were no constituents that he didn't pay attention to. there were no places that he didn't go to even talk about when he was a state senator. he campaigned in down state illinois. suggesting that this was not done. >> this was not done, yes. and to that point -- well yes. the and he suggested pretty directly that he thought he would have won. >> this is the source of frustration for a lot of democrats right which is at the end of the day obama has immense confidence in his own abilities as a paul -- a politician and that's important especially right now where they are probably at their most frustrated. but the fact he would come out
and say if it had been me delivering this message and battling donald trump, the democrats would have won. you know, that's going to ruffe some feathers in clintonland. >> rose: what have we heard from hillary clinton and bill clinton. we know there's a flurry here she might run for mayor against bill de blasio which was knocked down rather quickly. >> for a while there was no comment. her former campaign manager. >> her team, the team advisors around her are having a difficult time dealing with this loss and we're now two, two and-a-half months after the election and the emotions are raw. they are tweeting about trump as if the campaign were still going o it's just very clear from a public point of view that the clinton team is not over there.
>> rose: so back to donald trump as we leave this. so what's, he goes to washington on inaugural day. what's his presence going to be like. you suggested he loves press conference we'll probably see more. clearly going to be unconventional. clearly it's going to be i would assume the donald trump we saw on the campaign trail is donald trump. people have said look he's got, that he's run the transition like a campaign. and he's got to shift from a campaign mode to a governing mode. >> i don't think there will be a profound shift and i think the big question is how does he deal with congress because i don't think he has a full grasp on what the legislative process is like. i know he has zero patience for it. i don't think he understands and yoaft has much of an appetite of
being taught and understand such process. what does he do. >> rose: -- separations of powers. >> what will he do. >> every day it will be something whether it's in his administration or something with the hill but he's going to want to he show the american people on television every single day that thing are getting done. >> the other thing is right now when you talk to republicans on the hill they will tell you they're afraid of donald trump's twitter account. they're afraid of the, his ability to kind of throw a spotlight on somebody who isn't falling in line or doing what they should. but you have to remember he's at the peak of his -- >> rose: he made it in after the -- >> it's also worth remembering right now donald trump might not never have more political capital than he does right now. that is traditionally the case of people of presidents coming in right when they're elected. i'm interested to see a year down the line if people are
still cowering in fear of his twitter and willing to kind of follow order. if the favor billity ratings sank whether he has the republican party behind him. >> on that i think trump's team and paul ryan are absolutely in rock step and they're in a position to deliver the republican dream since 1986. >> rose: it will be interesting to see what jared kushner does. and one other issue. kelly anne conway there as council. reince
preibus as chief of staff. who else. >> you have chief strategist and steve of staff reince preibus and knowing really more powerful either one of those to is probably jared kushner how that plays out. >> it's going to be trump's phone. he worked the phone all day long. he'll continue to do that in the white house. a lot of people have access to him. >> rose: i interviewed the chief of staff in the white house this week and he told the story to me which most of you probably knew that what happens in the white house is that the president insists on seeing his family for dinner wants to be with his wife and children for dinner. enjoys that and insists on it. then he goes up stairs with a bundle of papers and his own devices and stays up until 3:00. and contrast that who seems to
get up at 3:00. i'm thinking about this. here's a guy getting up. he'll say to the president well i was just thinking about that read my tweets. thank you all. >> a pleasure. >> rose: back in a moment stay with us. >> rose: harry benson is one of the most awe claimed photographers of his time. he's covered such iconic moments as the beatles arrival in the united states, the assassination of robert f. kennedy and the funeral of dr. martin luther king, jr. he's photographed every sitting president since jfk. he's been one of the most sought after photographers for celebrity portraits for decades. they trace benson's remarkable
career. here's the trailer for the film harry benson, shoot first. >> i love harry benson. i think i'm probably about half a bump from being in love with harry benson. >> harry is iconic taking pictures of a lot of icons. >> i think it's rare that you know in the moment that a moment is going to be legendary. >> there's also harry's range and versatility. harry could do it all. >> great photo journalists of all time. >> the only time you could be around the beaches. >> and the beatles he became intimate with. >> he was there with the ultimate subject with people who are at the peak of the media centricity.
>> they have to back what he's attracted to. >> he allowed harry to photograph him for days. >> take a look at the picture. oh my god.e look. >> he puts people at ease and you can see that in thinks work. >> great photographers, in a moment they got it. >> if they don't take a photograph as a terrible mistake i see what i see and shoots. >> the shot that i saw of the senator lying with harry shot. >> no matter what your personal feelings may be you realize this is something you have to document. >> you could argue he's got nothing left to prove but harry still feels every day he's something to prove. >> i'm being debunked already. >> we love to photograph people who are bigger than life. >> he was the guy everyone else tried to beat. >> about his pictures but also
about him. >> he has compassion for the people he's traveling. >> he does get the joke about life and i think he finds that in his subjects so often. >> could they believe him doing the splits in your yard. they're going to talk about that forever. >> rose: i'm please to do have harry benson and co-director mathew miele here t the table. look at that. you've been there, the camera was there and you captured the image. >> i would like to go over again and do the same thing, you know. >> rose: but why you? why photography? >> i wasn't did at school. photography was a way out.
and if you keep taking a good photograph, you'll eventually become heavy weight champion of the world. meaning if you read the newspaper you know right away like you failed or you won the day. >> rose: but is there one secret to one fundamental thing about the way you did it? >> the first in last out. yes. photograph what you see. what you see shoot in form. >> rose: what's the answer to that question why harry. >> why harry? i think because he the title of the film shoot first i think he knows how to get into a situation. he knows how to charm the people that he needs to chawmple there but also underneath that charm is a manipulation that really is
alarming and arresting. >> rose: to get them to relax about the fact that he's around. >> absolutely. and you know there are secrets to it as well. the way he dresses. he'll say he got to the second floor of the white house and the residents because he was in a suit and every other photographer, they look like custodians and he said he was able to ride in. it's a signature look. he has are the handkerchief. he charmed me. >> you charmed me. >> no, i took your photograph. >> it's really remarkable. that's part of it too. everyone knows like michael jackson when he photographed him in the 80's michael wanted to take a picture harry because he knew he photographed the beatles because he has this legacy. >> rose: why did you wowpt -- >> he was working on a different film. he thought it would be a good
storyteller and i went to his ant and he was certaining in front of us and we were rolling camera. after ten minutes you realize this man is not only a photographer but an iconic photographer. you look over his shoulder and there is the beatles having a pillow fight and you suddenly think forget tiffany that's talk about harry benson. and you are amazed and i'm really happen eat first interview we had with him ended up in the movie because he was very genuine and he was telling us how he did it. >> rose: this is what i'm trying to get him to tell me. >> the pillow fight i mean for rose: as you talk abouthad it, let's talk bit. >> my dog took a run at him, though. >> rose: what kind of dog do you have. >> a dachund. >> rose: this is mohammed ali
with the beatles. >> after we did the he had sullivan show with the beatles, i had the tv on this day and i hear this guy shouting on tv how he was the greatest. that's a good idea to bring the beatles to meet him. go to the beatles then john lennon said no he's a big one and he's going to get beaten by the other guy, sunny liston and said he didn't want to. i went back to the beatles in the car and went to casius clay.
he had them lying down. clay completely dwarfed them. after it was over the beatles wouldn't talk to me. john lennon said he made a fool of us, he made us look like monkeys and it's your fault benson. they wouldn't talk to me. but i didn't care because the following day i was going off to jamaica to photograph ian flemming the golden eye because the james bond movies dr. no and all of that. the beatleeds had gone i covered the fight. >> rose: let's see the next one. this is frank sinatra and i assume his then wife mia farrow. this is at truman capote's famous black and white ball. >> someone shouted to frank sinatra, is frankie batman and
that really upset him. frankly batman and he didn't like it. he was angry. >> rose: how many times did you photograph sinatra. >> a few times. oh and once he let me on the stage with him. and he told me after i never let anybody on the stage with me. but it was the, it was up in san jose some place, you know. >> rose: tell me how you made the film. >> over the course of about three years. and we basically looked at the photography and the filing cabinets of the negatives and gigi benson is really the curator of everything and guided us along. thousands of images but you zero, the local on of the film is a great photograph can never happen again. those candid moments, those moments that you really believe can't happen again like this, that will never take place again. it's a glimpse and gone forever.
that's a poem that he constantly quotes by robert lewis stevenson and we really zoned in on that. those photos and those people in them we are went after and we went and spoke to everyone from joe namath to donald trump to dan rather. >> rose: we'll see some of them later. this is one of the famous photos of boys in the fountain glascow in 1956. let's see that. >> just walking through glascow parks on a hot summer's day. >> rose: right. >> and they had to use like outside, you know fountains because there were no swimming pools. and this is my moment. i like the picture because it's spontaneous and it's real. >> rose: when you take a photo, do you know it's going to be a great photo or did you only know when you get back and see it.
>> you only know when you get back and see it. >> rose: you think you got it and you didn't and other times you got it and you didn't think you got it. >> too many times. >> rose: this is bianca jagger at the factory. here it is. >> i never done this before. this is two pictures where andy's in focus and bianca is out of focus. and the next one along. >> rose: she's in focus. >> and she's drop dead beautiful in it. she looks terrific. and andy's out of focus. >> rose: wow. what was andy like? >> andy was very easy to talk to. he would stand in calm party and just photograph people you know. >> he made you mad one time, right. >> rose: he made you mad. >> he made you mad about drawing. >> yes. i painted one of my photographs
of gerald forward. >> rose: he painted it. oh, he took a travel and painted it. >> and he got more money than i did. >> rose: this is michael jackson at his home. here it is. >> that's the where he's is prince of pop. >> rose: that's something else. look at that. >> that's the secret too. what you're getting to when you ask him the question how does he do it. michael jackson never left anyone on neverland ranch. as harry gets there he goes on behalf of the magazine but he knows how to work michael the get in the bedroom. no un's ever gotten in there. >> rose: that's, i mean that's just innate charm you have. >> it's tremendous charm. >> rose: of course it is. >> yes. i couldn't charm you charlie but you're on to me. >> rose: okay. here's another one. bill and hillary clinton. >> now if she became president,
i'm going to -- i like it because the lips don't meet. >> rose: exactly. it is much more interesting if in fact they had already kissed. >> i've got them kissing as well but i like it just by that moment. >> rose: is it easier to be a photographer, is it easier to be a photographer today because of the digital revolution. >> yes, it is. the i'm seeing a lot of good pictures. actually i think photography is booming right now. everyone's got a camera and they're taking good. >> rose: that's right. you can have a an iphone and take a remarkable picture. >> photography is boom. >> rose: do you agree. >> i tend to disagree and harry said one thing in the film that we really thought about and he said great photography is just
paying attention. and learning and looking. it's breathing and life. she's one of the interview subjects of the film. i think personally that we're in this quote/unquote i generation now and everyone is looking down and taking things that are self interest and self indull judgment and not breathing in live or paying attention. i think it negates from the fact we're getting photography that he got that he really learned and, you know. >> rose: i hate to see people buried into their phone. >> it's awful. >> yes, i know. >> rose: this is reagan dancing for the cover of vanity affair. >> i did that with tina brown and that picture saved vanity fair. they were going to close it. andity now brown pleaded. >> rose: then she called you and said go get the reagans.
>> she came with me. and i had frank sinatra singing nancy with the laughing face. and nancy said that's my favorite. >> rose: you are something. next is donald trump holding a million dollars in cash. here it is. >> yes. >> rose: that what 12 million dollars looks like. >> yes. that's when he owned the casino in atlantic city. walking about and you know the place they call the cage. >> rose: yes. >> i can go in there he said and i can get a million dollars. i said well donald, i've never seen a million dollars in my life. you've got it. so he goes in and pile up. >> rose: now donald and melania trump. here it is. >> this in mar-a-lago. i wanted just to show the gold.
everyone he had is gold. that was the faucet. >> rose: what was the hardest. >> since we're on the subject going on to interview trump was interesting before he announced his canned de. it was 2014 because it took three years to work on this. he was willing to talk about great photography. he's had a relationship with harry for years going back 20, 30 years, 40 years maybe. he's photographed him more than any other photographer and he said after the interview anything for harry. it's a real friendship. thankful he did the film. >> it's not politics, believe me. >> rose: i believe you. okay. but there's also ivanka trump in her trump tower office. >> there's been a lot of pretty ladies around washington and
famous like. >> rose: this next one is susan mary alcott. look at the portrait. >> she was famous for having parties. >> rose: oh sure. >> and that was the reason i put ivanka trump in there. >> rose: the next one is, look at this, jackie kennedy in a ski mask. wow. >> i like it because jackie can't hide even when you see the eyes. >> rose: you could see that picture and know it was her because of the eyes. and the next one is ethel kennedy waving you away. >> she's screaming. screaming. it was one of those things you couldn't fail that night. because it was so close to
dallas and you had to, this is my job, i was a news photographer. >> it's a testament to harry because people were shot around him and he's continuing to shoot. >> five people shot. >> rose: i want to get through these. next one is kk member holding her child. where was this shot. >> in south carolina. the i went with -- >> rose: how did you get there. >> i went with the league of the clan a man called bobby sheldon. he took me and he told me we'll be leaving around 9:00 harry. i think you should leave with me. meaning it wasn't safe. >> rose: take a look at the ira. >> i was in maneuvers with them and it seemed all right and was getting tough to get dark and there was a farmer way in the
distance with lights going off and on. that was obviously they were telling us there was a police patrol around. >> rose: you could see the lights. >> we lay in the mud, british patrol comes past and after we're in the safe house, the ira, i hear a couple ira guys talking and they said they were sure the brits had seen us but didn't want to get into a fire fight. >> rose: next one is jfk in paris in 1968. look at the eyes. >> he went to vienna. didn't treat him that well. >> rose: and he was sobered by it. >> it was raining.
and. de gaulle is on his right. >> rose: that's not who we see in this photograph. >> no. he cut de gaulle out. i like ideas like jack kennedy was looking at me and kept looking at me until i climbed up on this parapet. it was like, you know, you get a picture, you know. >> rose: finally, this. winston churchill at the harris school in 1960. going back to his alma mater. >> he backed me up and there was a new line in the school song which went and the name shall win acclaim through each new generation. and that was the last time he went back to his old school. >> rose: how old was he then in 1960? >> probably the same age as i am now.
maybe, younger than me probably i. >> i think he was about 84 when he died. >> rose: gigi, very important to this. >> invaluable. i think he would say and he constantly says if you marry the right person she was able to let him go on these assignments. he lost a lot of family lies. we have a lot of daughters in the film saying harry was off on assignment over holidays and birth days. he was chasing something extreme here singular and something that he was just determined to do. he's not a renaissance man, he's just a great photographer that had a 60 year career. and i just hope we cap chooferred -- captured it in te 90 minutes we had and i thank you for letting me do that and letting justin and i do that. >> rose: thank you. >> thank you for letting me show my pictures on your show charlie. >> rose: my pleasure. >> maybe another 20 years i'll come on. >> rose: thank you for
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