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defeated by a computer we hear , how it was done. to ourand welcome viewers on public television and around the globe. it's an old cliche that a week is a long time in politics, but few phrases some of the -- sum up the political whirlwind, still reverberating from pennsylvania avenue up to capitol hill. first, there were differing explanations from the president and his staff as to why the dismissal took place. then after competing versions of a dinner that the president had with mr. comey emerged, this is what the president tweeted this morning. "james comey had better hope there are no tapes of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press." that set off even more speculation about recording devices.
today, the white house spokesman was pressed on that issue. >> did president trump record his conversations with former fbi director comey? secretary bank spicer: i think you're referring to the tweet, and the president has nothing further to add on that. >> why did he say that? -- why did he tweet that? mr. spicer: the president has nothing further to add on that. >> does he think it's appropriate to threaten someone like mr. comey not to speak? mr. spicer: that's not a threat. he simply stated a fact. the tweet speaks for itself. i'm moving on. john? short time ago i with our this topic correspondent and a correspondent for the "wall street journal. he said he would do things differently.
did you feel any sympathy for sean spicer today, having to answer questions on that specific point about recording devices? >> it's an extraordinary moment and position to be put in. it has added fuel to this constitutional crisis. every ensuing day since the firing on tuesday has had a new development, additional details that only complicate the story the white house is trying to tell. and if you are trying to explain the inexplicable, it's a tough job. tim: carol, do the tweets speak for themselves? >> no, they don't. the president always likes to say the tweets speak for themselves, we have a president of the united states who is suggesting that there are recordings of his conversations with the fbi director he just fired and who was leading an investigation into possible ties between his campaign and russia, so it's not -- they don't speak for themselves. tim: just on that recording issue, are conversations recorded as a matter of course in certain parts of the white house or not? >> there is no matter of course for recording in the white house. there are times that you
typically record conversations is when the president is speaking with a foreign leader. those conversations are recorded, transcribed, and disseminated internally. but not -- sometimes externally. tim: rick, is it the presidential prerogative to be able to get rid of an fbi director? it hasn't happened much before. but are we any clearer about the reasons why he was fired? >> i think we are less clear. as to the white house, even their stated reason it started , the week with this being purely a recommendation from the department of justice. then the president himself blue that out of the water. "i always wanted him gone. i was going to get rid of him regardless of the investigation, and i was thinking about this russian investigation when i did it." those are significant new details that raise questions around obstruction of justice. is: carol, is it protocol or
it against the law to ask that -- ask in fbi director if you as president are under investigation? >> there is a longtime policy where the president does only -- does not only not ask about whether he is being investigated, which is a new dynamic, but the president doesn't ask the fbi director about any ongoing investigations. that is not when they do -- what they do. when you look at the hillary clinton emails investigation, they were very careful, from the press secretary to the president, not to talk about that publicly to comment -- in ways that would be seen as trying to influence the investigation. tim: it seems to be setting a precedent. i hate to use this expression. we are constantly in unprecedented times. >> all precedents seem to have been tossed out. he does not adhere to traditional norms, to traditions, period. it's just not his way. and we are seeing that time and time again. with something like this, that is hugely consequential, and so what you are seeing is a very untraditional president taking
steps that are extremely untraditional. this is what donald trump was like in the campaign, and he is not being any different in office. tim: the problem is, words matter, don't they? especially if you are dealing with very serious issues and international crises. loyalty -- trump denies asking comey if he swore personal loyalty to him. it sounds like some sort of feudal system. what are you hearing about that? >> we have reported that there was a conversation where the president asked for loyalty and that james comey did not offer it. he offered honesty. and honest loyalty is kind of where they landed on it. even that is extraordinary. it is something out of a gangster movie. are you going to be loyal to me? it's not something we've ever seen before. to your point about words, i do think that is a lesson the president is learning as the system adjusts to him. is that what he said before, what he says now, these things do matter. it is not just actions, it is the words that matter. tim: is there a constituency out
there that doesn't really care? these are constituents, people who voted for him, who think this is irrelevant? you know, this doesn't matter at all. >> yes. there are a number of americans who think this is a distraction. most of them are hard-core donald trump supporters. if you look at the poll numbers, they are extremely low. however, he has maintain this core based support he had during the campaign. and he continues to be a if you talk to a lot of them, they see this as this is just another washington uproar over the president coming in and shaking things up, just like he said he would do. and the establishment doesn't like it, and that's all it is. president trump also said to fox knows in an interview which is coming out later. it could be that he is now going to be press briefings once a fortnight. dear old sean spicer, we might never see again. would that help, do you think? at least he would be keeping up with his own tweets and his own thoughts, whereas his press team don't seem to be able to do that.
>> i think even if you look at the paper statements, which take them the most preparation, those don't add up in this case. cutting back on the number of briefings or changing the people briefing for them will not stop the contradictions. >> it starts with the president. he sets the tone. he is often the one who starts these sorts of controversies. so, you know, if he is going to talk more, great, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to quell the controversy. tim: the debate will continue. carol and rick, thank you very much. cyberattacks have been reported around the world. including in britain, spain, russia, the united states, and china. in the u.k., the public health system has been strained with doctors blocked from patient files, but the prime minister said that hospitals had not been deliberately targeted. the attack involved ransomware. dave lee joins us from san francisco with more.
the big question is, who is behind it? dave: that is a very big question, a question we can't quite answer yet. i have to say this is a very , sophisticated attack. we don't know quite where it has originated from. the intriguing part is it appears to use a tool that was originally created by the u.s. government and the national security agency, the nsa. and their tools were recently leaked by hacking group, so everyone could see these tools. they were public. they could use them for their own hacking if they wanted to. and security experts at the time warned that something like this could happen if institutions did not upgrade the computers quickly enough, and it seems that has happened in countless examples across the world, particularly in the u.k., particularly in europe. and questions are being asked now about that process. government has creating these tools given when they , become public, they can cause such damage. other news, thousands of
venezuelans have taken to the streets to protest against the government nicolas meduna. police that use of pepper spray to try to control the crowd. pope francis has been greeting pilgrims and portugal where he intends to make -- to keep track of the hundreds of thousands of people coming in from the european union. the shrine commemorates three child shepherds and the virgin mary in 1917. britain is not only dealing with an upcoming election, but also trying to figure out the implications of a brexit. the man who will leave the negotiations on behalf of the
union is more than familiar with underlines thes -- common interests that irish people have, as opposed to the interests of the tory party in britain. >> but unity does not inspire universal enthusiasm in the south. -- every spring, brexit or no brexit, the orangemen paraded through belfast. no longer do these marches bristle with the menacing energy of the troubled years, but there is mounting uncertainty. at the same time as the collapse of -- here, national resentment over brexit have spurred irish unity. leaving union and uneasy. do you ever think of the back of your thoughts that eventually it's going to happen? >> i think it's always a possibility. i've heard people recently say, would we be any worse off, and i
think that's what propaganda does. hopefully, the unionist movement will see through those things and get back to where their first love says, that remains the queen and country. >> the armed conflict has been over for 20 years. the agony brought to an end by a compromise which allowed all sides to feel their aspirations were respected. brexit has complicated that. 40 miles south of belfast on the border, the debate has stirred painful memories. >> turning the corner we have just turned, looking down this road -- >> he is a farmer. >> about 18 or 20 paratroopers. and for a 5 -- >> this militarized frontier vanished with the troubles, but any kind of hard border, with customs posts and identity checks, could be economically costly and politically divisive.
what happens if you get a hard border here again? >> that's a scary thing. ireland is just one country now. if you stick any kind of a hard border along that 300-mile stretch, you are saying to a sizable chunk of the population, young people here, that this country is being repositioned. >> the republican dead memorialized on the border road heading south. now, nobody i met feared a return to violence, but irish history is an enduring lesson in unintended consequences of how political decisions play out in the long run. dublin has persuaded the eu to guarantee membership to the north if ireland unites. the former cabinet minister makes the economic case for unity. do you think that, in our lifetime, there will be a united ireland? >> maybe. >> you wouldn't have said that
10years ago, would you? years ago i would think it was a distant possibility, now i think it is a real possibility. the reason i believe that is that the economic interests of the people of both sides in northern ireland and both parts of ireland are coming together, rather than being divided. i think that brexit underlines the common interests that irish people have, as opposed to the interests of the tory party in britain. >> but unity does not inspire universal enthusiasm in the south. in my home city of cork, a hurling club was named after a rebel martyr. the club's symbol symbolizes a divided ireland. do people here really care about a united ireland? >> some people do. us --s area, some of day-to-day, it doesn't really affect us. >> 60 years, this was the most
prominent -- >> the old story of britain and ireland was one of often bitter entanglement, but the graves at this cemetery remind us that there are more recent memorials here. peace has made joint remembrance possible. so much of ireland's history is interred in this place, from revolution to reconciliation, in our time. walking through these graves, it's still possible to marvel at the fact that peace has been achieved on this island and that healing between divided communities has begun. it's not that a new armed conflict looms, but that, in an atmosphere of uncertainty, the trust needed for lasting reconciliation could be lost. protecting the gains of peace is a great challenge of the negotiations to come.
bbc news on the island of ireland. tim: still to come on the program, weeks after the two countries met, the united states and china have agreed to a 10 point trade deal which gives them both more access to each other's markets. now, do you remember the love blocks of paris, the thousands of metal padlocks attached to the bridge near the louvre museum? took a staunch -- on that, when the bridge collapsed. our correspondent kim goldman has this report. they call paris the city of love, a place of romance and a desire. one way you could express your passion was by fixing a padlock
to this bridge, throwing the key into the seine, a public display of love. romance inad little their souls and decided to remove the locks. be, they are coined to auctioned as souvenirs and works of art. playful andh intimate, because there really are stories behind these locks. personalizedot of messages, names, and the marriage proposals. it is basically street art. >> some of the smaller pieces are expected to fetch up to 200 euros. whole section of railing could go for 10,000. all will go to charity helping migrants in paris. >> we didn't exactly know what to do with the locks. we didn't want to throw them away or give them away.
they have symbolic value. couples from all over the world trips andmantic celebrated the love by attaching a lock. >> love in paris, a bond that will never be unlocked. ♪ chinanited states and have agreed to a 10 point trade deal which gives them both more access to each other's markets. both sides welcomed it as a positive development which stems from the meeting between president trump and president xi last month in mar-a-lago, in florida. among the most significant changes, china will open its market to u.s. credit rating agencies, and beijing will gain greater financial access in america. a short time ago, i discussed the issue with our business correspondent.
how significant are these concessions? the concessions are significant, but not hugely so. they are significant in terms of we are seeing these deals happening between the united states and china especially giving the rhetoric we have heard from president trump calling them currency manipulators and really being quite angry about the advantages they feel they are getting out of american workers. they didn't address any of the issues like aluminum, steel, or car imports. it is significant when it comes to poultry and beef. for a long time china has been trying to get they poultry into the united states. and american farmers are trying
to get the ban lifted on usb and china. there are some significances in terms of what has been agreed to. is twoe beef market point 5 billion dollars potentially. what about the dude issues, importing chinese poultry, is that want to be a hurdle? >> that was one of the big concerns in terms of getting poultry into the united states. there's a lot of concerns about what they poultry was being fed and any possible diseases, but because it is going to be cooked products, some fears have been alleviated a little bit. tim: what about the financial side of it? what kind of market is it going into in china? it comes to be set and mastercard, they have been rust rated not being able to do business and china. so, it is a really significant
move, but there is already a lot of domestic competition that exists in china. , one of just this week the electronic payment systems has said it is going to be making moves into the u.s. to allow the chinese who are traveling in the u.s. and canada to be able to use that payment system. they are going to be entering a system into which there is already quite a lot of competition. jim: thank you very much. it was a battle of our time. 20 years ago garry kasparov sat across from an ibm computer matching him move for move. game, the machine known as a deep blue claimed victory, giving an incredible boost to the world of artificial intelligence. how did deep blue do it? we have been speaking to those behind the scenes on that historic day. a warning, there is some flash photography. >> the world was paying a lot of attention.
and we weren't quite used to that. >> chess events never get covered like that. it was probably the biggest news coverage for our chess match ever. >> we were trying to prove it was possible to build a chess machine that could beat the best player in the world. >> it's also challenging kasparov. he is the pinnacle. he is an incredible genius. >> there were people who, even just a few years before, said it was going to take decades to do. >> the chess world all expected kasparov to win, because the human had always won before. >> we worked very hard in the intervening year to improve deep blue in various ways. >> i spent a lot of time in the office, playing a lot of
practice games, looking for lots of errors that needed to be fixed. >> and we were pretty confident that it would do better. >> then we got to the match. that was the chance to see, did we make a difference. >> gary kasparov. >> he was under tremendous stress, i imagine. the program wasn't behaving the way he was expecting. >> he thought that he was going to figure out the computer. >> and he wasn't -- mentally prepared for, i think. >> whoa! deep blue has instantly with knight captures e6. >> he knew he was in trouble. >> but at the end, kasparov, he just stands up, starts gesturing. >> i was dumbfounded and elated at the same time. the world champion, and somebody
i respect, was raising his hands up in surrender. >> we demonstrated that there are multiple approaches to solving probably any intellectual problem. >> but back then, it wasn't the case. everybody would look at the computer and say, well, yeah, it's good at some things. it calculates, but it doesn't understand anything. >> i worked on this or 12 years. you can imagine how much energy went into it. i thought it would be done in five to 12 years. i was wrong. it took 12 years. i was glad it was over. important contest between man and machine. that is it for this edition of "bbc world news america." plenty more on the website, bbc.com/news. also, on our facebook and twitter pages as well.
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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight: the white house refuses to say whether it records conversations-- as president trump keeps his battle with fired f.b.i. director james comey alive by warning him not to talk. then, one-on-one with condoleezza rice. i sit down with the former secretary of state to discuss the russia investigation, democracy and the trump white house. >> judy, i worry that this is starting to erode people's confidence in our institutions. >> woodruff: plus, in a reversal of obama-era policies, attorney general jeff sessions orders federal prosecutors to pursue harsher sentences on drug