tv Charlie Rose The Week PBS June 3, 2017 5:30am-6:01am PDT
>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, president trump abandons the paris climate agreement. the russia investigation keeps up. and dan auerbach releases "waiting on a song." ♪ kill me if i don't ♪ >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications
>> rose: and you begin how? what's the object lesson here? >> there is just no greater rush. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week president trump made good on his promise to pull out of the paris climate accord. the house intelligence committee issued subpoenas for former national security adviser michael flynn and michael cohen, the president's personal lawyer. and the san francisco warriors take a one-game lead over the cleveland cavaliers in the n.b.a. finals. >> that's a three! >> rose: here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> pioneer of southern rock is being remembered tonight. gregg allman has died. >> north korea has testifiered another short-range ballistic missile. >> it landed in the sea of japan. >> british police have made more arrests in the manchester terror investigation. >> a huge suicide car bomb killed at least 80 people and wounded at least 350 more. >> the president made it clear he wanthe wants to withdrew thed
states from the paris climate accord. >> i was elected to represent the citizens of pittsburgh, not paris. >> the man accused of a deadly attack after an anti-muslim rant on a train in portland, oregon, is due in court today. >> president trump marked memorial day at arlington national cemetery, where he laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknown. >> jared kushner faces growing scrutiny. >> this is the grown-up world now. if he cannot handle his job, he needs to turn in his security clearance. >> the first lady is responding to cathy griffin's photo of the severed head of the president. >> i made a mistake and i was wrong. >> our strategy is to accelerate the campaign against isis. >> what keeps you weak at might? >> nothing. i keep other people weak at night. >> he's taken quite a fall. this might be the bottom of the fall. >> tiger woods was charged with driving under the influence. >> he claims an unexpected reaction to prescription medicine. ♪ war, truth, jail, what is it
good for ♪ here they go! benches empty! >> that was a real fight! those were punches thrown and punches landed ♪ war, yeah, what is it good for >> rose: donald trump's decision to withdraw from the paris climate accord has provoked an overwhelmingly negative reaction overseas and at home. joining me now from washington is dan balz. he is the chief correspondent for the "washington post." >> charlie, i think you go back to sort of first princebles president trump, and we saw during the campaign and we've seen it at important moments during the first months of the administration. there are certain things that he believes that have to do with kind of the economic status of the united states, and the role of global agreements, whether they're a trade agreement or an environmental agreement. the idea that in one way or another we have been taken advantage of of. and i think it is fundamental to the way he sees the world, and
he sees-- his role as president. i mean, he said months ago, "i was elected to be president of the united states, not to be president of the world." yesterday, he said, "i was elected to represent the people of pittsburgh, not the people of paris. of the and i think that that is deeply engrained in him glu mean he can be considered a true economic nationalist, as steve bannon is? >> i think that's right. now, you know, when you look at what he did here, and a lot of people say, i believe rightly, that this was a victory for stephen bannon. but on the economic point, i mean, he didn't talk much about environmental issues in his statement on thursday. he talked more about the economic damage that he believed that that agreement would do to the united states and the advantage that that would give to others. and i think that that more fundamentally reflects his world view. >> rose: what is the economic damage he believes it will do to the united states? >> well, i think his view was that-- that in one form or
another, that this was-- that this agreement would shackle the united states, and that it would cost the united states jobs and to be freed from it. so i think his view is that-- and he cited some studies, some of of which have been disputed-- that said this would have cost a considerable number of jobs over a long period of time. and i think his argument was the advantage in terms of whatever it might do for climate change, whatever it might do for the planet environmentally twasn't worth what he envisioned as the economic loz. now, as we know, there is a huge push-back against that, and lots of people who dispute the facts that he was offering as his rationale for pulling out. and also, the view that this does great damage to the united states internationally because it is a pullback. it is-- i mean, it is an america-first move on his part, and one that could have significant consequences, beyond
sismedly the paris accords. >> rose: there is this-- he comes home from what many people judge as a reasonably successful trip in saudi arabia, and less so when he went to nato and went to the g-7. he comes back from that after nine days, and he will get up next week, and james comey will be testifying. and he will say, we assume, some of the things that he claims that the president has said to him, and that's clearly going to be embarrassing to the president, if not raise questions of obstruction of justice. >> absolutely. it's interesting. we will go from this period in which he was on the world stage, and then this week, drawing attention to his world view of how the world ought to be shaped and next week with the comey testimony, we go back deeply into the whole issue of russia and the investigations. he is heading into a potentially very, very difficult week. obviously, they know that. and they will attempt to be
prepared. there's some question as to whether he will try to invoke executive privilege to prevent mr. comey from testifying. sean spicer, at the briefing today, would not give an answer as to where weather they have made a midecision. they are reviewing it, he said. but i suspect one way or another, we'll hear from director comey next week. >> rose: president trump's announcement that the u.s. would abandon the paris climate agreement had all the trappings of a campaign rally, including a jazz band. but the implications of that decision go far beyond domestic politics. michael morrell is a former acting director and deputy director of the c.i.a. >> i think this is the worst decision he's made. >> the united states will withdraw-- >> i look at this from a national security perspective, and i see sort of three big implications here.
the first is that climate, as a result of this decision, the climate will be worse than it would be had we stayed in. and when i think about the world, and i think about the-- the threats to the preservation of the nation, there are only three that i can see. the first is a nuclear war with russia. the second is a-- is a naturally occurring or manmade biological agent that kills a significant percentage of the population. and the third is climate change. climate change is that serious over the long term. and this decision -- >> over 200 nations agreed with you. >> absolutely. and this decision now almost ensures that we in-- if this goes through, right, and the next president doesn't change it, this-- this decision is
going to make the cleement worse, and, therefore, have national security implications from that very significant perspective. for example, water shortages, and fights, conflictses between nations over water. instability caused by the increasing size of deserts. food problems and the instability that that causes, right. there's a whole butch of stuff that we actually in the intelligence community study, kind of the national security fallout of climate change. so those are going to get worse as the climate gets worse. so two huge national security implications. then there's two other implications that-- that i think about. one is i think this is going to significantly impact u.s. leadership in the world. this is as bad, if not worse than barack obama's decision not to enforce the red line on syria. and as you remember, that
decision led our allies and partners to question u.s. credibility. this is going to lead our allies and partners to question whether we have any interest in leading in the world anymore. >> rose: it is said this was one of the primary reasons that chancellor merkel made the speech that she did in her own campaign in germany. >> right. we have to be prepared to go our own way. and that she sees a brighter future with china than she does with the united states. >> rose: george schultz, former secretary of state in the reagan administration said, if the u.s. fails to honor global agreements that it helped to forge, it raises serious questions for this country's relationship and leadership around the world. agreements it helped forge. >> so i'm a huge fan of secretary schultz. i think maybe we've talked about this on the show before, but, you know, he says-- he says foreign policy and national security is a pretty easy thing
if you do three things. if you say what you mean-- in other words, you have a clearly articulated policy with everybody in your administration saying exactly the same thing, consistency. you have a clear policy, and you articulate it, and everybody says the same thing. that's a real problem for this administration, right. secondly, that you do what you say. that if you draw a red line, you-- you-- you respect it. >> rose: or you lose credibility. >> or you lose credibility. that if you forge a treaty and you join it, that you stick with it. so now we're struggling -- >> people came to join it because you were there and you were part of it. otherwise, they might not have joined. >> and one of the risks now, right, is that other people may see an interest in going their own way on this as well. >> rose: senator al franken, a democrat from minnesota, is rediscovering his sense of
humor. his sharp questioning of trump administration officials have also given the public glimpses of his comedy roots. he is out with a new book. it is called "al franken, giant of the senate." >> they're not acting like people who have nothing to hide. and so when you ask me, "do i have any evidence?" i think there are all kinds of circumstantial evidence. we have a special prosecutor. we have to follow the fact where's they go, and he will determine whether there is evidence of, you know, whether cooperation. but it's hard to believe that jared kushner goes-- has this meeting with kislyak in the trump tower and forgets that he had it. >> rose: and even michael flynn was there. >> and michael flynn was there. and that he doesn't report it when he's filing his disclosure -- >> security thing. >> yeah, security clearance. you don't forget that.
so-- and it's sort of hard to believe that he's talking about setting up a communications within the russians' communication system, hidden from our own intelligence-- that's what he-- without him telling his father-in-law. so, you know, we may get to a point where it's, you know, what did the president know and when did his son-in-law tell him? >> rose: what do you think they have to hide? >> well, we-- we know, all our intelligence community said that the russians interfered with this election. and we know that the kremlin has done this before in eastern europe, and there's something called the kremlin playbook, a document which talks about how they do it, and part of the way they do it is they corrupt people. and we -- >> and then they own them. >> and then they own them.
and we see manafort and flynn taking money from the russians. we see trump's son saying 2008 that a disproportionate amount of our money is coming from russia. i mean, if the trump businesses are in large part financed by-- you know, it's hard to borrow money in the united states after you've gone bankrupt many times. and so-- and if your son is saying there's a lot of russian money coming into our business, he's presumably saying because there's a lot of russian money coming into their business. so that's-- and part of the kremlin playbook is corrupting people, is getting their claws into them by investing in them and corrupting them. and so we will-- this will unfold.
>> rose: there is a new exhibit at new york's museum of modern art. it celebrates the art of robert rauchenberg. he his collaborations included working with writers and dancers. leo dickerman is the curator. >> my greatest joy is in working. that's when i feel a wholeness. >> rose: when you think about him and you think about his art, and you think about this kind of exhibit among friends, and within all the other great artists, like jasper johns. >> like jasper johns, and john cage, and tricia brown-- the list of people he collaborated with is so fundamental to what we think of in terms of culture taed. and that's how we approach the
project. we wanted to show that he's an artist who made work and dialogue with other people, and then together, they really laid the foundation for art of our moment in time. >> rose: what do you hope we will experience, feel, sense as we walk through this exhibition? >> well, a lot of things. one thing they think is that there's-- you know, i've always been a bit skeptical about the idea of individual genius, that you go off and you sit in your garrett, and you think by yourself, and you have ideas alone, visited by a muse, a female muse. and that's not the way it works. that's not the way it works with science. that's not the way it works with technological innovation, and it's not the way it works with art. and we wanted to suggest through his career you could celebrate creativity and conversation. of course, he collaborates more than almost anyone else. he is always pulling people into his projects and finding an
interlockature, and ways to create new works with someone else. we want people to feel that openness as well. >> rose: where did that come from? >> what did that come from? he's certainly a sociable character and everybody speaks about his gregariousness. and i think, too, that he learned, when he went to black mountain college outside -- >> in north carolina. >> exactly, when was an open, experimental place, and there was dancing and there was poetry and there was music all at the same time. but he liked that kind of collaborative approach to making art across disciplines. and i don't think he ever left that. >> rose: he was close to jasper johns? >> they were partners from the period from 1954 to 1961. they were together in a creative and romantic partnership. and they pushed each other in incredible ways. i think it was one of those artistic duos where by working together, they left the rest of
the world behind, you know. in the show you have jasper johns' painted bronze untitled, two ale cans. and right next to you you have work by rauvhen berg that is work made of two cans together. >> rose: auerbach is a nine-time award winning musician. this week he is releasing his first solo album in ability years. it is called "waiting on a song. of thsong." ♪ might be a bluebird or a crow caught between two posts. ♪ they're just waiting >>y spent my whole life preparing to make this record in a weird way, just listening to all the records i did, and putting together the studio, and
then i meet all these great musicians in nashville. and all of a sudden they're congregating at the studio. this record sort of came out of settling into nashville and kind of living it. >> rose: you share one thing-- love of music. >> well, it's the addiction to that creative process you know. we're all there for the same reason, because we know what it feels like to catch that special moment. because i mean, you can be so sure about a song-- wrote the greatest son, it's so good, and you go and record it, and it sucks, you know. you never know. you have to be there. you have to try, you know, because it's never a given. >> rose: it can be perfect on paper but until you hear it and sing it-- >> until it comes back from the speakers and makes you feel good inside, then you have to keep trying. but we're addicted to that. because we've had some success with songs, and when you get it, there's no greater rush, i think. >> rose: your music video "shine on me" in which you were
interviewed, yes? >> yes, by someone you might find familiar. >> rose: who is that? >> maybe not. >> you. ♪ ♪ ♪ number one concern >> rose: i should take that as a compliment. >> absolutely. >> rose: you're a producer. you have your own label. you do it all. >> yeah, but it's all connected, you know. it's all sort of the same thing. un, i mean, when i was producing records and giving them to labels, i was doing-- you know, i was handing in this finished product. i was finding the photographer. i was helping find someone to put the album art work together. i mean, it's like just sort of making records has been the thing i really loved to do since i was a kid. >> rose: where do you want the music to go from here? >> i mean, music is just who i
am. i played music growing up with my family. so music is just what i do, you know. it doesn't need to really go anywhere. sometimes it just needs to -- >> but does it tell you, rather than you telling it? >> every day is different. every day i go in it's something new. and it's that creative process that i'm so addicted to. and it's just-- that's the beautiful thing about it. >> rose: after a long decline, independent bookstroars experiencing an unlikely renaissance. despite rising rent and stiff competition from the internet, a number of independent bookstores in america has grown by more than 25% during the past decade. the bestseller author emma straub is part of that growth opening books are magic in one of brooklyn's oldest
neighborhoods. >> my husband is a graphic designer by trade. which means that we had books are magic pens and books are magic mugs with our logo well before we ordered a single book. ( laughs ) we started from the outside-in, i guess. i'm emma straub, author of modern lovers, the vacationers, and other people we married and here we are in my brand new bookstore, books are magic. i have always gravitated towards bookstores, making them a part of might have daily loop, which is why we were so heartbroken when our local bookstore closed and immediately, we knew, like, that's it. here we are. i'm a tactile, old-fashioned sort of a dinosaur. i leak the way books look. i like the way they feel. i like being able to look at my walls and to see both the books that i have read and the books
they love. and, also, the books that i bought that i haven't read yet. there are hundreds of books in my house they haven't read yet. and if they existed just in a cloud somewhere, i-- i wouldn't think of them. and this way i do. i am impressed and also bewildered by people who publish their first novels when they're 24, and they have voices that seem sort of fully baked. i was not fully baked in my 20s. at all. it took me a long time. it took me a lot of pages to figure out what i actually sounded like. in my short story collection, there are some stories to me with my eye now they see and i think, oh, yeah, that was-- i was starting to get it. you know, things were starting to click. but then really it was when i
wrote "the vacationers" that i thought, oh, it's okay if i want my books to be funny. it's okay if i want to have these kinds of characters. you know, it's all right for me to write about thigz that are sort of closer to my experience. jim had packed his suitcase the night before. but now, moments before their scheduled depart uhe was wavering. had he packed enough books? he walked back and forth in front of the bookshelf in his office, pulling novels out by their spines, and then sliding them back into place. >> i'm in my mid-30s, and hopefully i have a lot more books in me. who knows what that will be? i hope my books continue to get better and my writing continues to get better with practice. that's how things work, roit? right? >> now here's a look at your weekend. on saturday, the pittsburgh penguins meet the nashville pred nors game three of the stanley cup finals. roger waters released his first
solo album in 25 years. "is this the life we really want?" ♪ ♪ the action thriller "wonder woman" comes to theaters. and here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the day ariana grande headlines a benefit concert for the victims of the manchester bombing. monday is the rededication of the journalist memorial and the museum in washington, d.c. tuesday is the special election to fill a vacant seat in california's 34th congressional district. wednesday is the day the annual "fortune 500" list of america's largest corporations is released.
thursday is the day the american film institute honors actor diane keaton with its lifetime achievement award. friday is the day the les paul spirit award is presented to u2's guitarist the edge. saturday is the running of the belmont stakes at new york's belmont park. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org
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