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>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose, the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, republicans rebel in the senate. a new boong of portraits by annie leibowitz, and zach brown in our studio. ♪ i hope he's proud of who i am i'm trying to fill the boots ♪ of my old man >> rose: we'll have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications
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>> is it luck at all or something else? the passion, the love to do it. >> trump makes everyone around him worse. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. this was the week the republican party debated itself. president xi jinping consolidated his rule in china. and the houston astros and the los angeles dodgers faced off in the world series. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. ♪ ♪ ain't that a shame ♪ >> the great fats domino has dieded. >> i wouldn't say i started rock 'n' roll, fats domino said, "but i don't remember anyone before me playing that stuff." ♪ on blur berryhill >> the manhunt for a possible serial killer intensified in florida. >> new security measures for flights heading to the u.s.
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citizens and foreigners could face interviews. >> the former president sharing the stage all to raise money for the hurricane relief. >> a green beret received the medal of honor decades after risking his life in the vietnam war. >> flake has been an outspoken critic of the president for a while but today he really unload. >> mr. president, i rise tonight to say enough. i will not be complicit and silent. >> will be complicit and absent. >> tonight, donald trump agreed to release some but not all of the remaining files on the kennedy assassination. >> atlanta relived the nightmare of super bowl li. >> simplification of our tax code democratizes it ♪ don't know much about history >> this tax reform bill is probably the biggest and most important piece of legislation. >> you look at what happened at the meeting. it was almost a lovefest. maybe it was a lovefest ♪ this has taken its toll
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♪ . >> do you believe this bick experg feuding gets in the way of your agenda? >> no. it gets people to do what they're supposed to be doing. >> it is not in time! ♪ thriller, thriller time >> a two-run home run. >> and this series is tied at a game apiece apiece ♪ they're fighting for your life >> rose: turning to further elaboration of the events in china, china's communist party held its congress this week, its 19th congress. president xi jinping was officially enshrined in the party charge during the reng of mao zedong. the president, xi jinping, emerges from the congress as china's most powerful leader in decades, but as david ignatius writes untiwrites until friday's "washington post," in china it may appear to be less powerful than you are. we are now talking to david ignatius. david, set up for me how xi
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jinping became what he is, what he wants to do, and why in the seeds of that, may be a threat to his power. >> the way he did it was to seek to purify a communist party that had become corrupt. he was correct in seeing that as china grew rich, the bribes that were being paid to party officials, to generals in the army were beginning to weaken china, to eat out the core of the system and make people doubt the party's fitness to rule. so you had this-- during the last five years of xi's reign, basically a complete turnover in the leadership of china, and the new people are his people. so what that means is that he now owns china. he is responsible for every bit of its economic, foreign, security policy. they're all his people. there's nowhere else to turn. once upon a time it was
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collective, blame and credit were shared. not anymore, and the point of my column this morning was that's a little bit dangerous. >> rose: now that he's consolidated all this power and stands alone, will china be different? it will be more aggressive? >> i think, charlie, that may be the most important corollary of the party congress that we've just seen. china under xi is now being more explicit and direct about its ambitions, not simply to be a regional power that exercises more authority in the south china sea, but to be a global power. xi talked a lot in his lengther three-and-a-half-hour speak to the party congress about the strategy known as "one belt, one road," which essentially is a chinese idea for consolidating trade all the way to europe through central asia. it's a very ambitious scheme. and it's about china projecting economic and ultimately military power. he has ambitions i think that go beyond his personal ambition to
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be a mao-like leader. he has a vision of china. he calls it "the china dream," and i think americans need to understand that china sees american power weakening. it's preparing its own instruments-- financial, military, and otherwise-- to fill the space that in chinese eyes, america is giving up. >> rose: turning now to pol fingz president trump is one step closer to getting his tax cut. the house voted to pass the senate's budget plan that allows republicans in congress to try and pass an overhaul of the tax code with the democrats. i'm joined by al hunt of bloomberg view, and mike allen, the cofounder of axios. mike, let me begin with you. before we get to the tax reform, tell me what's happening within the republican party when you have some criticism of the
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president-- jeff flake, john mccain, by george bush, without naming the president and, of course, bob corker. what does this mean, if anything, today in washington? >> well, charlie, it's the republican parties. and we're see more clearly on the national stage the split that we've been seeing in the house for a long time, that we looked at so carefully during health care. and now we're seeing the trump and bannon part of the party, and we're seeing the more traditional part of the party where so many senators now saying publicly what others are saying privately behind the scenes. but, charlie, here's the twist, and here's why a lot of the coverage this week has been very misleading. the twist is that all those senators and all those people-- republicans around the country that think privately the criticisms that mccain and corker and flake and bush and
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others are saying publicly, they're going to keep it private. trump is strong in their states, strong in their districts, and so, donald trump is now more commanding of the party than he has been at any time. there's not going to be any sort of tipping point when these folks start to speak out against him. so at the moment, trump very strong with the republican party's house and senate. >> rose: the republican parties, now trump's party, al? >> yeah, i think if anything, mike understated the case. this is donald trump's party. jeff flake gave a remarkable senate floor speech. >> i have children and grandchildren to answer to. and so, mr. president, i will not be complicity or silent. >> i think you have to go back to margaret chase smith in 1950 with her declaration of conscience to joe mccarthy to find something like it. and you know what, charlie he talked about how trump has debased, coarsened the political dialogue, political integrity.
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it had almost no public effect at least. because trump does dominate this party, in washington, but particularly out there in the country. so jeff flake and john mccain speak out. and then you lobby at someone who you used to think of as an independent like lindsey graham, and he has become a trump poodle. so this is donald trump's party. >> rose: so he gets his tax cut and tax reform? >> no, they'll get a tax cut. they woarcht get tax reform and i think they desperately need. this is where republicans and trumps are on the same page-- they desperately need a success. and this has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with politics. i think they'll get a tax cut. there will be almost no reform. and i would guess it's not going to be popular. you don't pass big things on a strictly partisan basis and usually have it succeed. >> rose: to republican
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senators jeff flake of arizona and bob corker of tennessee, have announced hir retirements with parting shots at president trump's integrity and competency. the pulitzer prize-winning author and columnist tom friedman doesn't think that is enough and doesn't think much will change until the president's inner circle threatens to desert him. his column in wednesday's "new york times" was titled, "general mattis, stand up to trump or he'll drag you down." >> the intervention we need most right now, charlie, is not in syria. it's not in afghanistan. i think it's with the president. >> rose: in the oval office. >> in the oval office. and i just think this thing is getting so off. a president who starts his day tweeting against a gold star mother-- we all know the stories, you know what i mean, everything you see every day. this is simply not presidential behavior. but what worries me most is that we're making big decisions, both about taking things apart and about initiating new things, whether it's a tax bill or
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taking down nafta or t.p.p. all of this is being done, charlie, without a take on the world. it's all being done for "i need a victory. health care, give me something to sign. give me a tax bill to sign. i need to be able to say i cut taxes." >> rose: "i'm for this today and tomorrow i'm against it." >> exactly, "today i'm for this compromise--" there is no one waking up saying what world are we living in? what are the big trends in the world? how do i align my citizens with those trends and power them to take advantage of them and cushion the worse effects. you have a sense of something utterly scatter shot. we haven't had a crisis yes. all of the crises we have had have been self-induced by trump. imagine what happens if we have a real crisis. >> rose: like what? >> like we feel we have to take military action against north korea, we intervene in the middle east, dragged into something. god forbid -- >> somebody attacks somebody and we have to come to the rescue.
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>> or an economic crisis. what i worry about-- we talked about this before. i have a friend who says, "there is moral authority and formal authority." the president has formal authority. he's the president. but he has no moral authority. he's lost all his moral authority. and he has lost the moral authority of most of the people around him, except mattis. when the white house press secretary has to lecture journalists saying, "you wouldn't want to question the authority of a marine four-star general, would you?" that means you've completely lo your moral authority, and now all you can do is try to summon the formal authority of the man's uniform. and that just doesn't work anymore. and so i think all of this is going down a really bad track. and we all know, those of us in the news business, it gets worse every week. and the signs of it getting worse is we saw this week not only corker but jeff flake, the senator from arizona, announce he was bowing out and went out by saying basically the president is an indecent,
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dishonest man. we have seen so many unusual things -- >> especially comparing him to joseph mccarthy. >> exactly. >> rose: and someone had to stand up. >> here's what i wish, though, charlie that corker and flake had done, that they had made that exact diagnosis they made, and then said, "and that's why i'm running. i'm not going to let the bannons decide this. you know what? i may even go down in flames but i am gog fight these ideas." >> rose: you are suggesting to secretary matis and h.r. mcmaster's-- >> tillerson. >> rose: that they simply go to the president and say, "unless you change, we're leaving. and if we are leaving that is the final"-- >> yeah, you can govern with your kids and sarah huckabee sanders and some of the others -- >> but if we leave your last bastion of credibility is gone. >> they have been lending him cover. and it seems to get worse every
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week. and i really worry about, for them, their personal reputation. i think kelly hurt himself, tillerson hurt himself. there are some leaders -- in basketball-- you do a lot of sports stuff-- we know the best players make everyone around them better. >> rose: that's right. >> and trump makes everyone around him worse. >> rose: it would be almost impossible to illustrate the story of america's last half century in culture and in politics without including the work of annie leibowitz, the photographer's new book is titled "portrats: 2005-2016. >> it was august, i was thinking of all the work i had accumulated since 2005, photographer's life, and i thought, you know, i think i should try to put a book out. ished try to--ished try to do an edit of my work now that would
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include the work i also did, updating on the women's project, as well as a series i did on artists. and it would end with hillary clinton in the white house. >> rose: that was your plan. >> that was my plan. >> rose: and then we had an election. >> and then we had an election. and i was... like everyone else, i was-- i was in shock. you know, it was pathetic. i mean, i actually toldifieden, "i don't want to do the book. i don't want to do this." >> rose: even though you put a lot of work into it, you were willing to say-- >> yes, but i didn't have my ending. i love my books because they tell a story of the time. you know, it's a collection. it's what i don't get the opportunity to do, you know, working for the magazines. the magazines are wonderful, luxury vehicles to take my photographs, but the books tell these stories. >> rose: and the story you wanted to tell wasn't there. >> it wasn't there. i-- i floundered. you know, they finally said, "come on. you can do it.
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you can do it." and i was literally-- i'll tell you, i think the book falls apart towards the end. i really think in the last 20, 30 pages you can feel me just, like not knowing where to go, what to do. i was throwing everything in there. i shot kate mckinnon. throw her had in. i shot oprah, throw her in. i shot bruce springsteen. throw him in. we had to pick ourselves up. i didn't-- i tried to photograph people who were doing good things, like the wonderful lawyer in the south, brad stephenson, and saul cohn, and the whole "good people" section, that we'll come through this. you can see-- you can literally see the book, you know, start to fall apart. >> rose: so you end up with spiral jetty. >> i did it in the last-- since 2005. it was one of the projects i did, pilgrimage. and i went out and photographed places that meant something to me. spiral jetty was one of them. i admired roth smithson and i
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loved that sculpture because it was sort of submerge, and hide and reappear. i ripped pictures of it out of the newspaper and put it on the wall, "oh, it appeared again." it would go under water and appear again. it was so interesting and i was determined to photograph that for "pilgrimage." spiral jetty to me is sort of a big question mark. like what is going to happen? ♪ ♪ >> rose: joan didion is among the most celebrated writers of the past 50 years. she, along with tom wolf, truman capote, and hunter s. thompson was one of the early practitioners of new journalism. now she is the subject of a new documentary by her nephew, actor/director griffin don dunn.
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it was called, "joan didion: the center will not hold." >> it took six years. not working every day. as the money came in, i would get shooting, and it was a process of stop and start. i'm not even sure she thought i was going to actually finish it, as did i worry about every day, until all the money came in from netflix. and she-- but then i showed it to her. i showed her a cut i would never have shown -- >> three hours or something. >> three hours, three-hour cut. and i just wanted to give her the opportunity to say, "hey, stop this right now." >> rose: this is a clip from the documentary which he talks about writin writing and spendis with musicians where he began, 1960s california. here it is. >> in this light, all narrative was sentimental. in this light, all connections were equally meaningful and equally senseless. try these. on the morning of john kennedy's
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death in 1963, i was buying at ransahof's, in san francisco, a short silk dress in which to be married. a few years later, this dress of mine of ruined when at a dinner party in dell bel air, roman polanski accidentally spilled a glass of red line on it. on july 27, 1970, i went to the magnin high shop, and picked out at lindaica sabean's request, the dress at which he began her testimony of the heard murders at sharon tate's house. i believe this to be an authentically senseless chain of correspondences, but in the jingle-jangle morning of that summer, it made as much sense as anything else did. >> rose: hmmm. >> what fascinates me about that is, as we were just saying, she writes to know what she thinks. and, and, you know, throughout her whole life, the things she
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writes about is a world in disorder, and eventually her life became a world of disorder. and she's trying to make these connections, these nonsensical connection. and, of course, the time, you know, late 60s, manson, you know, altimont, assassinations-- none of these things -- >> made sense. >> could make sense. >> rose: her strong suit was culture or something else? >> i think her strong suit was more personal, the personal essay of her confronting, you know, everything from being a mother to, you know, things that would be these insights that she would have that other people would relate to so strongly in their own lives. ♪ he always had a plan my old man ♪ my old man
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feel the callous on his hands and dusty overalls ♪ my old man and now i finally understand i have a lot to learn from my old man ♪ >> rose: the zach brown band has been called by "the new york times," no less, country music's best bar band. the group's sixth studio album makes a return to what has made them one of the best-selling acts in country music. it is called "welcome home." >> you know, i think for me it's just really ded caight your life to the music, and to the just wake up one day and decide i want to be a musician or i want to figure out some way to make myself famous on the internet. this is a lifelong, i love
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music, i loved it since i could make a noise, since i could talk, since could sing. >> rose: are you evolving in any particular way in terms of what you want to say through the music? i mean, is it the same today, essentially, as it was, say, 10 years ago? >> no, you know, i tend to be pretty free with how we did do it. the last album before this one, it was a study in the range of the band. we did songs that ended up on the seriously sinatra chance to sirius. we did, like, swing tune. we did a rock tune that ended up number within on the rock chart. and we understanded up having three songs go number one on the country chart. and everything in between from reggae to-- you know, all of my bandmates are very diverse and very studied in different things -- >> what's the common element of all that, whether it's reggae, sinatra, or pop music sung by-- >> it's either good or it's not. it either makes you feel something tore doesn't. >> rose: is it talent you're born with or is it talent you
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learn? you know, i think it's a little bit of both. i think you're either born to really love something enough to sit behind closed doors for 20,000 hours and practice it. you're either born with the expaghtz love t-- with the love and passion to do it. but you're not just born able to come out and shred up a guitar. you're not born with that. something drove you to love or motivate you to spend the time doing it. the word "talent" can be a little misused sometimeses-- "this guy is really talented." i really think it's the love and passion for it. the one thing i think people are born with-- they're either born with hustle or they're not. and i learned that by other artists. they have the talent and the ability but they don't have the hustle. they're not willing to grind and spend the time doing it. and like you're talking about, if someone is doing something they really love and the first person that comes along says, "oh, that's (bleep). you can't do that." and they believe them, that's it. for some people, the first time they're courageous and put
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themselveses on a fence and open up their chest to someone and they're met with that kind of, you know-- you've got to be stubborn enough to know what does it for you. >> here's what's new for your weekend. season two of "stranger things" is released on netflix. jayz takes his 444 tour to las vegas saturday and sunday. ♪ but you got hurt >> the astros and the dodgers meet in game four of the world series in houston saturday. >> here's a high fly ball into left. that is gone! >> and here's a look at the week ahead. sunday is the fifth anniversary of super storm sandy. monday is the day the "forbes"
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list of top-earning dead celebrities is released. tuesday is halloween. wednesday is the day the open enrollment period begins on the government health care exchanges. thursday is the day the critics choice awards are announced in new york city. friday is the day president trump visits hawaii at the start of his asia trip. saturday is the running of the breeder's cup classic in del mar, california. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. before we leave you, we want to note the death of one of the creators of rock 'n' roll, antoine "fats" domino. he was 89. in the late 1950s and early 1960s, his music was so popular, only one artist outsold him. his name, elvis presley. here is fats domino in 1986 playing his classic "blueberry
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