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glk welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead congress races to pass a tax plan. democrats made gains in off-year elections. and kenneth branagh's "murder on the orient express." >> murder? >> ymadame. >> god rest his soul. >> as we are snowbound i have elected to take the case. >> and why you? >> my name is herculespositive poiret, and i'm probably the greatest detective in the world. >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen.
>> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> it gave me goosebumps. >> rose: is it luck at all or something else? >> a much more emotional tale. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> what goes on inside this place. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: we begin this week are wa look at the news of the week. president trump toured asia, including stops in japan, south korea and china. democrats won the governor's races in both virginia and new jersey. and shalane flanagan became the first american woman to win the new york marathon in 40 years. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> our hearts are broken. we cannot begin to imagine the suffering of those who lost the ones they so dearly loved. >> the man who cut the massacre short by confronting the shooter
is now speak out. >> i'm no hero. i-- i am not. >> rose: the president presses china on north korea. >> president trump faces a delegate diplomatic dance. >> china considered the linchpin in all of the strategies to reign in north korea. >> big wins in virginia and new jersey. >> roy moore allegedly engaged in sexual misconduct with young teenagers. >> mar dan gilroy halladay was killed in a plane crash. >> this was no ordinarily day at the courthouse. citizen obama reports for jury duty ♪ baby we were born to run >> history at the new york city marathon. for the first time in 40 years, an american won the women's race. >> shalane flanagan ending a 40-year drought for the united states. >> an american woman ran a race in november and won. what was even more impressive was that james comey tried to tackle her right before the finish line ♪ i believe i can fly
>> a man crawled through a baggage carousel and sneaked on to the tarmac at miami international airport. >> they were talking about the celebration and the fist bump. i don't remember any of that. >> do you remember getting engaged? did it ever occur to you that danielle might have said no. >> i think he knew i was going to say yes. that's why he took a big risk, live television. >> if the dodgers had won, would you have married one of them? >> no! >> rose: president trump has been traveling in asia this week. meanwhile here at home, the republican congress hit a few speed bumps in the effort to pass a tax plan. joining me now from washington, john dickerson of cbs news, the host of "face the nation." i am pleased to have him on this friday. john, let me begin-- first of all, welcome. let me begin with the congress and tax. we now know what the senate wants to do.
we know what the house wants to do. can the congress pass this before january 1? >> well, it was going to be tough before we even knew the details. the last time tax reform of this size, tax cuts of this size was tried in 1986, it took between two and six years, depending on when you want to start the clock. and it was-- it lived and died a number of times in the interim there. so what we've seen now with the details of the senate plan is that there are big differences with the house plan. part of that is because the senate has to get the numbers ons to add up so it can pass through the senate rules in a way that will allow republicans to pass the kind of bill they want with a republican vote. but there are big differences on the phase-in of the corporate tax cut, which is the central part of this tax plan. republicans in the senate have it phasing in later. in the house they have it phasing in immediately. then there's also the question of deductibility of state and local taxes. in the senate, no longer allowed to deduct any of them. in the house version you can
deduct up to $10,000 in property tax. this matters because there are house members who will not vote for this bill if you are not allowed it deduct state and local taxes. will that be enough to kill it in the house? we don't know. the dynamic for the affordable care act, and this was in both chambers, they said anything that passes the senate will not be able to pass the house and vice versa. so does that dynamic hold for tax cuts as well? we'll just have to see when they try to reconcile these two different bills. >> rose: how do members feel on the one argument that they have to pass something, that they have to show they are a can-do congress? >> well, there is a lot of pressure to do, that to pass something. but you've also got members who, you know, will go their own way, in particular, in the senate, if it bumps up against those either long-held principles about adding more to the debt-- and remember, the plan here is going to add $1.5 trillion or so to the debt by the official
scorekeeping of of congress, or maybe even a little bit more. so that really bumps up against a long-held view by a lot of these senators, some of whom are retiring and may be in a mind not retiring going against something they spent their life campaigning about and talking about. and then in the house you have a conflict, really are, you voting for your party or your constituents? if your constituents really care about being able to deduct their state and local taxes, then, yes, there's a lot of pressure to do something right. but you're doing it at the expense of your constituents. and they're the ones who are going to vote you in or out. and they may care more about that specific thing than this larger question of whether it's a can-do congress. >> rose: at the same time, on tuesday, we had elections. republicans didn't do well. the president was one of the issues. is this the beginning of a turn in the country? >> well, a year after the last election, which surprised so many people, we have to evaluate everything that happened on
tuesday with a big dose of humility and the karat in politics things can congress chng. millennials who will be a larger share of the electorate in 2018 and 2020 than the baby boomers turned out for the democratic candidates. and those college-educated voters turned out better for the democrat in virginia than even barack obama in 2012. so the coalition was motivated, not by the-- not necessarily by the greatness of the candidates but they were motivated by this dislike of the president, and the president with his behavior for these voters reanimates that dislike almost every day. if that is still alive in the 2018 elections, democrats think they've got a lot of support behind their candidates. >> rose: the wave of
accusations of sexual harassment and assault that began weeks would go hollywood producer harvey weinstein have now grown to include dozens of powerful men in all walks of life. republican senate candidate roy moore of alabama may be the most recent example, but it is unlikely he will be the last. why is this happening? and why now? david brooks has a theory about that. he's been a columnist for "the new york times" since 2003. >> it's this weird mixture of swullity and power. and these two things fuse together. and the men who do this tend to start young, and as we've learned over the last several weeks, they don't just do it once or twice. this is a lifetime pattern that when it's a louis c.k., harvey weinstein, whatever, there's lots of women coming out of the woodwork because it is that weird mixture of lust combined with dominance combined with an inability to see the person you are there with. and what struck me about-- a lot of people have denied it. some have come out with pgs.
what struck me about the apologies -- the first thing they said is and i believe them-- "i had no idea the women were thinking this way." it's the inability to pit your mind in the mind of the person you are pushing yourself over. and it's sort of a moral and humanist blindness toward another human being's experience. >> rose: it's a significant societal change, for sure. >> yeah, well, the first thing that i think now is going to happen-- and there have been a lot of cases. some friends of mine at the "new you republic" there was a case. and someone complained to the then-editor, who was a very good guy. and he raised a ruckus a bit. but now, i hope, it won't just be a little ruckus. it will be, you know, code red. we're going to code red. this is a big thing. we are not going to tolerate this. it became somehow vaguely-- it was not something people got their hair on fire over. and i think now it will be something they get their hair on
fire. and the uncomfortable things for a lot of progressives, frankly, is how much did the clinton thing create this whole environment? how much did tolerance of bill clinton create the environment in which the rest of this was given permission? >> rose: how much do you think? >> i think it had an effect. i think the fact that-- nobody was approving bill clinton and some of the things he was accused of doing by kathleen willey, but people were not saying, "we're drawing the line here." if you don't draw lines in these big cases, then you don't draw lines in the little cases in the workplace. now we're seeing-- you know, we saw republicans tolerating what donald trump was accused of doing. and today we're seeing this astounding case where republicans in alabama are tolerating what judge roy moore is accused of doing and use some of the lamest -- >> with a teenager. >> yes, making advances on a 14-year-old girl and some others. one of the defenses from one of the republican officials down there was, "well, joseph was
with mary, and mary was a teenager in the bible." it was like, "are you kidding me? this is the argument you're using?" you know, it's so mind-boggling. and it's-- it's a sign of how partisanship has replaced everything else. partisanship have kblind you to immorality, to the truth. partisanship has become the idol, idol of our time. >> rose: the writer michael lewis has begun a series of investigations for "vanity fair" magazine on how well the government is running under the trump administration. his latest article is on the department of agriculture. it is called "made in the uusda." >> obama had essentially deputed several hundred people throughout the administration for the better part of a year to
prepare briefings, briefing books. so for the day after the election, whoever won, it was assumed that people would roll in from the new administration, take over the department of energy, the department of agriculture, the treasury department, and they would be there with a nonaudiological briefing about what goes on inside this place. so the trump people just didn't show for much of this. it was like this exquisite course on how the federal government, it's interesting because there are briefings that didn't happen that i can go get. and that's what i've been doing. i've been going out and getting the briefings that the trump administration either didn't get it all -- >> so you walk into the department of agriculture and say, "hi, my name is michael lewis. i'm here to get the briefing. of the. >> i go, "find out who is supposed to deliver these briefings or prepare these meetings." and i call them up, and they're in the woods in maine. >> rose: waiting for somebody. >> they're not. i call them and say can you give
me the briefing? and they say, "oh, my god. i spent six months on this thing. i'd love to give it to somebody." the department of agriculture has, i think, 13 senate confirmed positions you're supposed to fill. >> rose: and how many? >> well, when i finished the piece, only one had been filled. there was one other guy who had been nominated and it was-- i mean, this is an example of the problem. so one of the jobs, the senate-confirmed job is to be in charge of all the science in the department of agriculture. it's like $3 billion a year that gets doled out to tech schools and ag schools to essentially prepare for climate change, to figure out how to grow crops and likestock. a lot of it is related to climate change. it's a very long-- it's research that has consequences far into the future that private industry is not going to do. and the woman who occupied that job, a woman named cathy woteki, spent 50 years preparing for it. she was an agricultural
scientist. she had done original work in connecting the american ditote american health. she had run all kinds of interesting parts of the government. she was exquisitely prepared to oversee this thing. and the person that trump-- this is the one nominee he made, other than for the secretary-- was a guy named sam clovis who was a right wing radio talk show host from iwhat hofs cochairman of his campaign, who had no background in science, much less agricultural science at all. there's a sense either trump himself or people in their orbit actually think the government runs itself or if we neglect it maybe it will all fall apart like we want it to, or shrink like we want it to. it's not clear what. it feels like ineptitude. it feels like no plan rather than plan. >> rose: there was surprising news overseas this week. it wasn't anything that happened on the president's trip.
instead it was the royal purge that took place on saturday in the kingdom of saudi arabia. david ignatius is a columnist for "the washington post." he has also covered national security in the middle east for that paper for more than 30 years. >> 32 years old, head strong, bold, very much unlike the traditional saudi, careful leader has set his course on modernization first. he wants to change the kingdom. he wants to allow women to drive. he wants to allow women to attend public events with men. he has a vision of privatizing big saudi businesses, like saudi ramico. those are all things that i think any observer of the kingdom would support. saudi arabia needs to become a modern country. at the same time, m.b.s.-- as everyone calls him-- is. >> rose: the son of the king. >> the son of the king who is now 81 years old and not high
functioning monarch. m.b.s. want wants to consolidate power. saudi arabia hasaudi arabia hasa slow process. he wants to consolidate power in his own hands so he can force change, so he can combat iran. he regards rui iran as a threato saudi arabia and the region. you have, i think, an attractive side-- the push for modernization and change, drive against corruption, which was the reason for these arrests, publicly announced on saturday. the good side. but the bad side is saudi arabia is become, a place of one-man rule. it's becoming-- if he's not careful-- a more autocratic, a more controlling, more like a police state. the problem i think, charlie, is once you start a process like this, you have to keep pushing. you push harder and harder. you know, you arrest dozens of
people. what do you do to all their power centers, all the people who are behind them? you have to control even tighter, turn the screws even more. i worry that he started that process, and i'm not sure he knows how to finish it. >> rose: he's wearing a lot of caps, too, a lot of hats. the crown fighting-- >> exactly. >> rose: you said to me earlier this week, "he is either acting--" i hope i can say this accurately-- "with supreme confidence or concern that there may be forcing building up in opposition of him so he better strike now." >> i don't know. others may know. there are certainly rumors that an effort to destabilize him was under way, and that he moved before his rivals could go after him. i don't know the truth of that. but whether it's true or not, the fact that it's being so widely spread around, ill straights this sort of ferment,
sense of urn certainty and instability in a country that likes a little more calm. >> rose: benjamin hagarty is a four-time grammy winner. he is better known by his stage name, mclemore. he has just released his first solo album in 12 years. it is called "gem me." >> rap is something that you do. it'sab element of the culture. and hip-- it's like, under the umbrella. rap is an element. it's one of the elements that comprised of hip-hop. >> rose: you are a rap artist or hip-hop artist or both? >> both. i rap and i'm a hip-hop artist. i mean it's been described is something that you do. hip-hop is something that you live. i think it's a part of of you. if you grow up with hip-hop music fit resonates with you, if
it's the thing that pumps your heart, it's part of who you are. >> rose: when did it first pump your heart? >> seven years old. it was the sound. it was the first thing i grew up with, the first music that just gave me goosebumps. >> rose: was the fact that you were not a black hip-hop artist something you had to overcome? >> you know, it was different. it was different at the time. you know, we're talking about the mid to late 90s. and, you know, you wof the beastie boys previously, but it was-- i started rapping around the same time that eminem came out, and eminem definitely drastically changed the landscape for white hip-hop consumers. >> rose: because he was so good. >> yeah, because he was so good, yeah. >> rose: tell me how you developed. >> just doing it, yeah. i didn't start out with some crazy talent. i just had a work ethic. you know, i had a high school group that was about five of us, and i was definitely the worst in the group at the beginning. >> rose: the worst? >> the worst. >> rose: see, i love this is
it. i just love it. >> i was by far and away-- i used to get on stage, i would scream, lose my voice after a song, had no breath control. you know, didn't know how to do it. and i figured out that i wasn't great because i was listening to these tapes back that we would make. >> and would realize, another these guys, their verses are better than mine. so i bought a karaoke tape deck from a thrift shop and practiced. >> rose: practiced. >> and practiced and stayed in my room for years practicing. i knew that i was getting good when -- >> you could feel it. >> i wanted to listen to myself. ented to listen to my songs. >> rose: yeah. >> you know, it's one thing to do it. it's another thing to be like, "i want to hear that song i made." and you can also feel it. yeah, when you start to find that pocket. when you find your voice. when you find out who you are as a person, and that's translating to a record, that's when you realize, okay, i have something
here. >> rose: the actor-director kenneth branagh's latest film is an agatha christie classic "murder on the orient express." the class include judy demp, mifell pfeiffer, penelope crews, and kenneth branagh, as the great detective hercules poiret. >> it's a gripping tale. agatha christie keeps alive the prospect that 15 characters might have performed this violent act of murder. i read it when i was an adolescent, when my mother got a passion for reading crime fiction, and i came back to it when this opportunity came up. and i sensed a much darker and actually much more emotional tale underneath that very crowd-pleasing murder mystery. and it was that, really, that
drew me in. >> rose: sidney lement made it in-- >> '84. i got to know him a little bit in his later life. and he said very clearly he wanted to make a rump with that movie. >> rose: a rump. >> and beautifully done it was, too. he was a master. it was a wonderful cast. but it allowed us to go in, in a different kind of direction because there's a big sort of cinematic invitation to the spectacle. agatha christie's landscape is exotic locations. we start in instan bull and then the alps. and thee turns it into a parlor game, and it goes deep and dark and a psychological mystery unfolds that has a very powerful, dirty revenge story. >> rose: and that's wrumented to do? >> yes, because i think inside is the story about how human loss-- what shakespeare calls "the poison of deep grief" can do to apparently civilized
people. it can wake the primitive, the primal, and something very shocking occurs. and that sort of quiver underneath these sometimes apparently genteel stories with, you know, very exotic and pleasing characters is quite the dynamic. it's quite the tension, and very rose: is poiret, is there a world weariness about him. >> i think that's a good way of putting it. this gift that he has for detection sometimes makes life unbearable, almost unbearable, but it is good in the detection of crime. so he-- without self-pity-- accepts that. but it makes him, i think, quite a romantic soul. i think melancholic, yeah, melancholic. but he's belgium and he has delightful eccentricity. he loves reading charles dickens and being tickled by it, and he very much likes puddings and desserts of all kinds, and in those moments, he's like a child.
>> here's what's new for your weekend. the national veterans day ceremony begins at 11 a.m. at arlington national cemetery. a new movie adaptation of "murder on the orient express" is released in theaters nationwide. >> the murderer is with us, and everyone of you is a suspect. >> and taylor swift releases her sixth studio album "reputation." ♪ ♪ >> and here's a look at the week ahead. sunday is the annual miami book fair. monday is the day the tv nominations are announced for critics choice awards. tuesday is the day president trump returns from his asia trip. wednesday is the day tony bennett receives the library of congress' gershwin prize. thursday is the day the latin grammy awards are presente presn las vegas. friday is the day of film
adaptation of "the justice league" is released in theaters. saturday is the opening of the national dog show in philadelphia. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. we leave you tonight with one of our new digital shorts. you can find them on facebook, instagram, and twitter. here's historian henry louis gates jr. on behalf of all of us here, thanks for watching. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you next time. >> how did africa give us the blueprint for civilization? several ways. all of our ancestors 50,000 years ago were walking around in east africa or walking out of africa and about to populate the rest of the world over tens of thousands of years. what was born in africa? symbolic thought. visual representation. some scholars argue that the first iron smelting process occurred on the african continent. why is this important? precisely because europeans have
been denying that africans invented anything. that denial considered at least. thomas jefferson. hagel in the philosophy of history. they all in one way or another said africans didn't invent anything. so what are they fit for? enslavement. knowledge of the arts and sciences was a way of taking a few giant steps and it's very important for us to reclaim for africa its pride of place in the history of civilization.
>> rose: welcome to the program. tonight, david brooks, the columnist for the "new york times." >> the republican party has become the party of people who are rejecting meritocracy, rejecting globalization or extremely skeptical of it. so it's deeper than one person. second, i think it's going to be a long time that a party frankly stained by trump can erase that stain. >> rose: david brooks for the hour next. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: