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explore new worlds and new ids through programs likorthis, made availableveryone through contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you.ank you. hello i'm don shelby. what you're about to see is one of the most exciting and humbling assignments of my career. i was asked to interview bi moyers. it's something like playing the piano for mozart. because to my mind bill moyers is the greatest broadcast journalist of our age. he's won more than 30 national emmys, a lifetime achievement award for the national academy of television arts and sciences, nine george foster peabody awards, the broadcast equivale three george polk awards,, and thatdupont-columbia golden. he's introduced us to some of the world's st remarkable people ins one-ons and shared with us a world ideas. and he once took us inside hisily
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in a very personal way. he's authored 12 books. i'm incompetent to properly introduce bill moyers there's simply not enough time. before a studio audience a man known for his modesty and his reluctance to talk about himself, do agreed to si with me for a conversation i shall never forget. la es and gentlemen, mr. bill moyers. (audience applause) te- it started in marshalls but it started before you were a journalist.
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something unusual occurred in marshall were the son of one of the poorest people in towno anywheme else, in any other you wouldn't have had much of a shot. how did it happen that a poor boy got the shot you got? fi - i was the beary of affirmative action so for poor, whithern boys. if you studied hard, worked hard, moved around town, met people, there were men particularly men in the town who would say, "he's a comer let's help him. a "he'or boy let's help him." so the rodeo club gave me a scholarship, the city commission let me come in and sit-in on their meetings. i was just constantly tohed by people
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older than i am who saw something in me that i didn't see in myself. so they just kept moving me from one opportunity to another. but you know in those days the gap of income inequality was not so great. one of my best friends was anne blalock, who was the daughter of the richest man in town. but we went to the same school, we went to the same parties, we went to the same dances. and i never felt uncomfortable in the presence of the kids and iwere really the unctomore fortunate ones.ence ed and that's chain this couny to a very disturbing extent. there's very little conversation, e there's very littercourse, there's very little communication, very little participation between the poorest people, poorest kids in ourle country, in our cities, and those who are well off. but i, it never occurred to me, at wasn't as good as anne, or it didn't occur to her that i was not her equal in our relationship, and so that little town
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said to me, you signify, you matter. 't it doeatter that your dad is poor. so those benefits in this small town were available to an ambitious young man who was white. - you are 14 years old, you're in marshall, texas, and there's a political rally, and for the first time in your life you see in person lyndon baines johnson, the senator of the state of texas. what did you think when you first saw him? - i was bowled over by the helicopter. (audience laughs) i was on the town square and the helicopter landed. he trawhich he was beaten is is by 87 very contested and i have no doubt illegal votes i dothe valley of texas. but he was campaigning hard in a helicopter, so who didn't want to see a hicopter in '48 the first year that helicopters were used in campaigns? so i went down to the town square
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and when he got off th helicopter took his bi stetson and tossed it into the crowd. now i later learned that he did that at every stop and he had somebody on his staff who went and got the stetson and returned it to the helicopter at the next stop i mean i learned a lot about politics in that very moment. that reaarzation that this wasof the game. this was just not that he had an endless supply of stetsons t helicopter, but i remember that he spoke ro to the without a microphone. must have been 1,000, 2,000 people, at courthouse square. big man, boisterous, stentorian in his tall, commanding presence, and i remember being stunned by the power of his persona. something you didn't see again, really, until the campaign of '64 when he was running for president for the first time in his own right. u- so you, north texas,64 when huniversity of texas austin,
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southwest theological seminary, uld stop in edinburgh anspend s. committed to becoming a preacher, prpoching in two churchesgraduation. but in there somewhere is a letter that you sent to lbj suggesting that the yog voice wasn't being heard as much, and maybe you knew something. and he was struck by that apparently, because he called you. - i had been at north texas state college in upstate texas and i would go stop at t student union from time to time and watch the mccarthy hearing. some of you don't remember the mccarthy hearings but the extremist joseph mccarthy a senator fromisisconsin on anti-commcrusade d ne beyond the limits of reasonable dialogue and reasonable politics and the senate had called him to question was about to censor him. and sitting in the student union
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watcmeng those hearings i beery engaged. don't ask me exactly why it was, as i say, i was 20 i'm 82 now that was a long time ago. but i felt maybe i wanted to be a political journalist. i planned to be a journast i was working my w butthrough the collegesed to be on the publicity staff. of the college covering the sports from the college and writing newsletters. i went to my office on a saturday afternoon wrote a letter to, i had never met senator johnson except to see him from the helicopter. and i wrote a letter saying, i'd like to learn about politics and you're in a campaign down here where you're trying to reach you people and i think i've got something for you and you've got something for me. the letterayot to his desk, he awanted to have bright, young men around him. john connally became governor and many others were young men on his staff at one time in his carr. and i went to washington and spent the summer in fact when i got off the trolley that brought me over to the capitol where his senate majority office was he was getting onto the trolley, and he took my hand and said, "come on," h he didn't eve a warm greeting
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he just took me down a long corridor in the basement of the capitol opened the door and took me down to an addressograph machine, an addressograph machine was like a sewing machine, you would hit the pedal and a tal plate would come through, the stamp would come down, and print the address the envelope. so in-between eight o'clock at night, and seven the next morning, i addressed by foot 275,000 envelopes. i hadn't even unpacked my bag and i hadn't gone to the room wherimi was staying, and thaessed him. so then he moved me over to his own office to answer his own correspondence and there i was at 20 totally inexperienced in this, writing his letters to eisenhower, writing his letters tos tothe s, his contributors in texas, and we bonded. i was going back to this small college at the end of the summer, and lyndon johnson k at his did, "you know, i think you ought to transfer to the university of texas." that's where he lived and that's where he had a television station and i said,
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"mr. leader i don't have any money, t "i'm going to gemarried, and i've got a job "in north texas in denton," he said, "i'll give you a job-- - [don] ktbc? - [bill] ktbc the radio station which somehow mysteriously was the only station in the casntry that could broaall three networks. (audienclaughs) - i wonder how that happened. - they had a monopoly, the favorable gods were looking down, and i got a job with him. he had promised me that he would pay me a hundred dollars a week that was astonishing i'54. it was more than my father had ever made in his life as i said earlier and i went down and he worked me 40 hours a week but we bought the first mobile unit in texas. and i used to tool around town study, covering accidents and murders and the state senate the state legislature and that was probably the biggest crime scene in austin. (audience laughs) t anyway that fall i had the biggest crime a deep, profound experience
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i still have a hard time describing it. and i decided that politics wasn't, and journalism wasn't going to satisfy my instincts and my intuitions, or even be a healthy place to work. ea so i decided to go and at a religious institution, i'd get my phd first, so i weat to the seminary four. ani was graduating in late december of '59, judith and i, my wife, were packing our boxes to move back to austin where i had been accepted to do my phd in american civilization te and had hing assistantship at baylor university which is a baptist school in waco halfway between dallas and austin. on and the rang, it was two days after christmas, and it was lyndon johnson, i hadn't talked to him in two and a half years. he said, "bill how are you doing?" "i'm fine, mr. leader." "what are you doing," he sd. "i'm packing to go back to austin." and he said, "no, no, i'm going to make a run for it,
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"i don't think i'lckget it but i need you i hung up and i said, "judith pack for washington, "not for austin." , and we went the way she said, "what did he offer to pay you?" and i said, "i have no idea he didn't mention it." (audience laughs) and so i spent that year back in his office traveling with him, spending every night in some hotel, around the country, seeing all of the politicians, meeting them, watchingat happe. they were heavy drinkers in those days, and after all day of campaigning they'd come to the hotel and they would drink until 1:30, 2:30, 3:30 in the morning and i had to stay up until it was over. of course i learned a lot, but gradually, that led me in the direction of washington for my career. when he didn't get the nomination he did get picked b the vice presidential running mate. i started to go back to texas then, and he said, "no stay through the election "then you can go." and so i did and during the campaign i was the liaison on the vice president's plane
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the anoose named after the he had been on in the pacific, briefly during world war ii, and the caroline which was john kennedy's plane. and i got to knowe irish ma, to be frank and others have written this, i s the only person on johnson's team who could talk boston and interpret boston to austin. (audience laughs) d became in their eyes somewhat valuable. so when the election came and we won, d bbarely, as you know, ejohn kennedy came down nd to the lbj ranchi'm sure j set him up for this, but john kennedy was leaving and he turned on the porch of the lbj ranch saw me leaning in the corner, came over and said, "i hear you're not coming with us." i said, "no, i'm going to teach at a baptist school "and i'll get my phd." and he said, "don't you know harvard was founded "by a baptist preacher?" he said, "we need you in washington," so i went. and just a few months into working in the vice president's office, boring job,
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he was bored out of his mind, it was a non-job at that time, and i had written a speech for lbj, he said, "i don't have a speech, i'm going to speak "at this university give me a speech." so i sat down on my little portable typewriter and wrote a speech proposing a youth corps, e where did i get ea? from hubert humphrey in minnesota he had been advocating a youtnecorps a peace corps, k of course picked it up but so did we. d ter the election i realized as kennedy announced that he was going to start the peace rps, that's what i wanted to do so i began what became a strenuous and almost futile effort heto rest myself free ofvice pr. and i was one of the foding organizers of the peace corps, became its first deputy director e and i had the thbest years. yowho were not in military efuniform out to helpople shape the identity of america in the world and to give them a sense of the world that they would bring back.
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and i can't tell you every time hubert humphrey institute, i gave the keynote speech the humphrey instituteen they . people come up to , my age and younger the and they say, "we werehey . in the peace corps, "it was a defining moment of my life." it was mine, i couldn't have been happier. da and onin early october of '63 i got a call from kenny o'donnell who was then john kennedy's most powerful assistant, "bill we want you to go to austin, wh"the president is going's moto go down there."ant, "we sent an italian, advance man from boston, "whom i knew, jerry bruno, we sent him down there, "and he just can't, thcan't u. "our efforts, we've got to raise money. "we've got to speak in houston, "and you've got to go down there and hold hands." so i did, i went down and i was holding hands with the governor and the labor people, and the liberals and the conservatives until the president got out of town. sitting at the forty acreslub at the university of texas having lunch with the chairman of the state democratic committee
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and the most promising young member of the state sete, ben barnes the maitre d' came over to me d said, "mr. moyers you've got a call," so i went and took it. it was bill paine the secret service agent assigned to me in dallas and he said, be"bill, the president's shot." i immediately went back and told my colleagues and went right out to the airport,n the way, ben barnes arranged for a little aircraft c ry me to dallas, halfway between austin and dallas, robert trout on cbs said, in a haunting voice, "the president is dead." i landed at love field, started to town, to the hospital, h parklapital and got a dispatcher's call saying, onhe president, lyndon johnow,e at love field," right where we had landed. went back, went up to air force one, the secret service stopped me, he didn't know me, and i wrote a note--
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- what did it say? - it's in the library. mr. president, don't ask me why intuitively i prarted calling him mrident. i'd always called him senator, or leader. . president i'm here if you need me, bill moyers. a few minuvis later the secret s agent came back and called me up the steps and there i was on air force one. - [don] what was going through your mind? - no awesome, my god, look at this, it was very practical, how do i help him? what's he going to do now? 'cause he had never expected to be president, sn't ready for it, wasn't really prepared for it. i was a practical guy. i mean in the campaign of '60, organizing the peace corps, those were administrative and managerial jobs. and i whd never even been in the house and i was standing at the ck of that plane, saying, "how can i be helpful?" and when he went back into the bedroom of air force one
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security had closed all the portholes, but he had opened the one in that inner office, inner bedroom, inoor sanctum and he wasng out. quietly, very calmly, and i said, e "mr. president what u thinking?" and he said, "are the missiles flying?" here we're in the midst of a cold war, the cuban missile crisis was not long behind us, iz and i re then that he had things on his mind he had never had on his mind before. and wjust started filling h the small details. calling the t eaker of the house, jnctional things, at and i was good at and one reason he came to trust me was because i had that sense of doing the details and not being conspicuous about it. but there were no great and noble, or fearful thoughts in mind on that plane coming back. >> hi,verybody. my name is don shelby. i'm the person who's sittingne
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to bill moyers in the and it has been the hitching. of my life. when i was first asked to host the program and to ask the questions of bill moyers, i knew that he was not going to be as forthcoming because he's a very modest person, he doesn't like to talk about himself. in fact, in the first break that we took, he leaneover and apologized to me and said, "i'm sorry i'm talking so much." no, that's cool, you can talk as much as you want to. this show th you're watching was for me a labor of love, the opportunity to interview him and end some time with him and be able to ask him about those incredible timesuring the johnson administration when he was present for the creation of what we now calhistory. which is perfectly fitting for journalists because it's always been said that journalts write the first draft of history but much of what he has
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teseen and covered and rep has become itself history andhe the waas written it, and the way he has spoken it to us will stand as a landmark of the great journalism that is produced. i'm so glathat you're watching this program, and supporting ts television station. it is to be watching tivilege superb program with you this evening. it is truly remarkable to hear bill moyers tell us about his life experiences. imagine, he is the only one still living from that plane ony the day that kenied. wow. hi, i'm marget prestrud and i'm a member of public telesion, and i'm asking you to give your support this evening, as well, around this wonderful program. when you do do it with a gift of $84 or $7 a month, we will be happy to gift you the wonderful program that we're enjoying. as don mentioned, it's not just
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did you resent the war in that way, did you resent the war as a man of the cloth? did you resent the war as a public policy? - in those first two years when i was ic in charge of the domerogram i didn't think about the war. as we look back and as documents are revealed it turns out that many decisions were made 65 in '64 and earlyy the president, mcnamara and bundy. and as the war began to escalate it was very troubling. i wish that i had been a moral prophet, go and had said, "this isa end" it was tragic, it was one of those tragedies of history which lyndon johnson is responsible for that changed the course of our society. frustrated the great society programs, snuffed them out in the cradle. i mean every constituency that we had practically
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for the great society program for remaking the institutions of america, schools, roads l and that was a victim of the vietnam war. many times i left in january of '67 because i felt what i cared about was no longer being nurtured, no longer being funded, and thertywas no longer a priof lyndon johnson. you have to fightn it, and so i left. my influence was limited then, huled, i because the president, s an advocate of stopping the bombing of the north. and i used to go to meetings in the cabinet room prd i'd come in and thident said, "here comes ban the bomb bill." e and they began to that way and therefore believed that i was skewed. - no less light than doris kearns goodwin said that, "moyers should write the book, because all of those blanks
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even in caro's work can be filled in by bill moyers." and when i ra d why you won't writok about lbj i was touched professionally and personal for why you said you won't do it. would you tell people why you won't? th e were so many reasons i can't be sure i'm remembering the one that you are referring to. there were many reasons, many reasons. first of all, i didn't want to be the thief of his confidence. i spent hours, hours with the man alone, on the campaign trail, thin thoseirst 12 monthsnce. of our time in the white house, and he never believed that anything he said to me, whether he was drunk or sober would become publi and secondly i lived the experience t but i domember it that well. because there were so many things coming at me.
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i was telling my really good friends here this morning that when i left the white house i put all my files ve in 100 boxes we them to the brookings tstitute and then on new york when i was publisher of the newspaper. i 5 ver opened them afterars took them to our new home in new jersey put 'em in the attic, never opened them. d i hadn't opethem for 50 yea, so last year when we decided to sell our house, i had to get all of those boxes out including the carcasses of mice and the shel of creatures of all kind and i opened them. the first three weeks and in the white house,d was and all we could do, i didn't even have an assistant that i had known that's how we were thrust into the hurricane. five of us, six of us, the president, mrs. johnson, jack valenti, me, horace busby and a couple of others. and there were all the kennedy people
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but they were so grief stricken ando shattered that wnefelt as if we were an the island, and the island was in the midst of this great tsunami. and so i just put my files and all my correspondence, cables and all that in the files, here i was 29 years old and there were cables cong in from t uprising in nigeria, here i was 29 years old and and the civil war in cypress and the turmoil of the british government which was in trouble, and the information about the movement of chinese troops towards the border of korea, and right on down the line there was one issue after another. anwhat did i know about them?? i had been at the peace corps. even lendon johnson who had n many of those meetings with president kennedy, what did he know about them? and suddenly decisions were being made ou issues for which there was very little time
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to collect the evidence. you know lyndon johnson kept saying me, in all those years, "a man is no better, a man's judgement is no n.better than his informat and i really believed that, anthat has guided me in my journalism career the last 44 years. pi myon isn't worth a pig's ass if you don't mind my saying so, unless i can back it up with evidence. le- you said in a cof places, in some of the books that you have written more than a dozen book and the thousands of hours of television that you produced. i found three references to the word atonement. where you talked about a personal need to atone. en ou said to william sloane coffin in one of the very last conversations ev you had withend coffin. you were saying you were glad th you had grown old enoug
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in to bo account for in essence the sins of the past. and he said to you, "bill we have a lot to atone for." has your journalism career, and i will make it easier for you if you want to answer it this way, because it has with me, been an atonement in a sense a redemption? - i don't look at it that way, and i never have. but let me say in the crucible of power you make a lot of mistakes. e some of them cfrom characte, some of them come from a paucity of information, and some of them come from haste, but you make a lot of mistakes. you don't see there are consequences t until you are the battle, till the war is over. ad and you can hat the other side said the other troops on the other side of the trenches or the files in north vietnamese records ar or in the kremlin li you don't really know
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that you misjudged it or made a mistake, ts presidr staff assistants to the president you make a lot of mistakes. and if you let the mistakes eat away at you they will destroy you. but you learn certain things, i thyou're happier if you are trying to report the truth than if you are trying to conceal it. elu have more fun, you etter at night. if youute trying to find the instead of trying to cover it up. the president went through two or three press secretaries. he said, "i want you to be press secretary," i said, "mr. president i don'want to do it, "thank you anyway." the second time didn't do it. the third time i said, "yes," because i'd still have my shoulder out of joint here. and that afternoon i flew home to see my wife who was in dallas visiting her parents. and as we went tod that eve, she had on her red and white silk pajamas. i said, "you know this is the beginning of the end."
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and she said, "why?" and i said, "because non can " to you're tryinelp the president get his ideas across, you're sery.ng his interests righ but if you're trying to help the press understand why he's making those decisions, or wh they mean, you' trying to help the pres and there were moments that grew in intensity and paranoia, in which he thought i was serving the press more than i was serving him. - but at some point you came to the conclusion standing at the lectern in the white house that you wanted to be on that side. ea - yes i remember it y. it was in the briefing room, my office was the briefing room. lyby the way there were about 4d reporters in the white house then. er are now 1,100, so i had a small office, and we'd brief.he press there (laugh
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i knew we had carefully arranged for the president to go to thesda hospital and havesurgery. but i couldn't let that out until after three o'clock. because the first line at would have gone out from the press corps they out would have rushed out'clock. and said, "johnson to go for surgery." and we agreed we called the fed, we called the secretary of the treasury, "oh no it could bring the market down "if you do it before three o'clock. "it could bring a government down." jo anson said, "it could bring my government down." so we calculated a carefully, thought out strategy, and i would not answer a questions that well merriman smitwas theh dean of the white house correspondents his wifedad a really close fri who was a nurse at bethesda hospital. and merriman came in and said, "bill i know the president's going to bethesda
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"b i have to have it confirmed." in those days pierre salinger who had been kennedy's press secrary, had urged me to learn to smoke cigars, i never smoked. re he said because yooing to be asked very tough questions and you're going to need 30 seconds to think of the answer. and if you're smoking a cigar you can light it up and you've got 30 seconds to comse your answer. (audience laughs) so i was hooked i smoked a cigar on my son's front porch this afternoon, i got ud to them. and aninay, so i ease up ligmy cigar and he said, "let me light i" he smoke cigarettes, so i walked around him and locked my or htook the key andes, frput it in my pockehim from my office to the lobby where the press phones were and he said, "damnit i know it "i'm gonna go out and write it." so he opent the door, he couldn't open. we were seven minutes till three and he couldn't, and he startedomhasing me around the no, i'm serious, behind the desk. in he started cat me,
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"you son of a bitch," he said, "i know you got, "just nod, just confirm it some way. "otherwise i'm going to take your "no an er as a confirmation." so finally he calmed down a little bit and at three o'clock i pusheddehe button to the out the press came back in and i made the announcement. then they started asking all these questions and then and there i said to myself, as i lighted a cigar, again, "i want to be on their side asking the questions, "than on my side not answering them." - let's leave the white house and lbj and now you're a journalist. 1970 you go to channel 13 wnet, and begin doing a weekly show and get television in your blood, hbut when you decided e a conversation with josepecampbell can you imag what it would have been like e to walk into splace like cb,
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"i got an idea two guyssittg "each other talking for a series myf six long shows abouology." they would have told you, you were crazy. - they would have call (audience laughs). i i wiould claim exclusive rights to the idea, but i had colleagues who talked about joseph campbell and i had read the hero with a thousand faces w when at the university of texas and didn't understand it, but i had read it and remembered it. and then i read that he had been advising george lucas on the star wars film. so i called him up and he said, "of course i'd love to sit and talk with you." cbs wouldn't consider it, my friends at pbs, they saw the value of it and they put up a good bit of the money tht. i had to raise to do and we did 20 some-odd hours over two summers '85 and '86 at george lucas's skywalker ranch.
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- so myths are stories of the search by men and women through the ages ifor me for significance, to make life signify, to touch the eternal, to understand the mysterious, to find out who we are. ha - people say what we're all seeking is a meaning for life. i don't thinlythat's what we're reeeking. i think what we're seeking is an experience of being alive so that the life experienc that we have on the purely phycal plane will havarresidences within thathose of our own inner-most being and reality. and so that we actuay feel the rapture of being alive. that's what it'shall finally about, ands what these clues help us to find within ourselves. - the reaction initially from the station was, "what?" re two guys sitting ttwo white guys, sitting there
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ing about mythology? and we had no promotion and it went out and within the next seven days after ifirst aired, after the first episode aired, stations were gettint calls from people, w this? put it back on, and they began to run it d it grew and it grew, it's the most, it's what i will be remembered for introducing this great teacher to a mass audience. because it was repeated over and again it became ar for the best fundraiser for public broadcasting. i believe there's no better production value than the power of the human face. when you let people look at your face, and your emotions, and your eyes, and the intensity in your participation in this conversation there's no way i could create that with technology. when you tell somebody, "i love you," 'r if yfortunate you tell them when you're this close to them. if you ask them to marryou, you're looking right into their eyes. there is no power greater than the human face
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for the purpose of television, animtelevision makes us ie strangers. and so being able to sit like this and talk is probably the mostrsonae we have outside of sex. and since that's limited for many people, conversation is absolutely the way(audience laughs)selves. let me tell you a story. se a year after thaes aired, i was walking out of a restaurant, la caravelle restaurant, on 8th avenue, between 55th and 56th. i was ndlking down the street young, african american woman was coming this way. nand as you know, televis makes and you think you know everybody you see on television. and i think some intuitive reason that i kn the people who are watching, i've never lost that sense of the people on the other side of the camera. so our eyes connstted and we walked onngers.
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but i turned and she turned and she said, "mr. moyers?" and i said, "yes," she said, "do you have a minute?" i said, "sure," she said, "i came to new york "to be an actress and i've had a reallyifficult time. "i had some gooduditions "but none of them were satisfactory. "my boyfriend and i living together for a year "he just suddenly left i haven't seen him. "i mean life just sort of come an end for me. "so one night i came home, and i went to my apartment," sto a small apartmentss thet building and she said, o"i went up and i turnthe burner, "i pulled down the window, i went over and poured "a big glass of bourbon," and i know you like bourbon. and she said, "i laid down on the couch "and i was really ready to go," she said, "when i had left that morning,
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"i had left my television set on, "and i heard these two guys talking about "myths, and the meaning of life, "and all of heis and i heard one ofsay, 'do you think people are looking for the meaning of life?' "and the other one said, 'no, no, no, 'i think they're looking 'for ahe experience of beive,'" and she said, "you know something snapped in me, "and then i heard a voice of the announcer say, ex 'come backweek, (audience laughs) 'bill moyers and joseph campbell on the power of myth.'" - and that postponed her suicide. - she got up and said, "i poured the bourbon out, "i turned the burnoff, i opened, "and i watched every one of those episodes. d, "and what i deci standing on the street, "what i decided is i don't need to be an actress, "but i need to experience the possibility "of life every day."
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now those stories are common for people who watched that series, and i can't explain it adequately, even today, but this medium has the power to touch, and move, inform, and connect people, w and thatt i discovered in doing it, and why i've done it for 44 years. and why i've done a thousand or more hours of television because public affairs is more than the news of the day, it's the truth of poetry, which is a greater truth that you can get from any politician. william carlos william said, "people are dyin "for a lack of the news they don't get on the evening news." it can take people far away, it can connect people ac who don't know other, intimate strangers. i mean the marriage of the age and the word the most powerful combination of truth telling and experience sharing we've ever had.
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it's not the cuneiform tablet, 's not the printed word which is wonderful, but it's a marriage of the two and from that coupling comes something creative. and when it's done this way, it is the most important and valuable contribution to our understanding each other that man has ever invented. >> i want you to think back to a moment in time when he mentioned that woman that he just bumped into on the streets, who had in her mind the idea that she was going to end her life and he heard her say, "once i saw this show, "the power of the myth" withel joseph cam i changed my mind". and i hope that you're thinking about doing the $21 a month donation because if you do, you get the "power of myth," and do you know that thisill,
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"to see them to rights." is america well informed? am and caicans be relied upon to set the wrongs to right? - at times, at times, generalizations aregenera, and i would not say the american people fo are not ed, many are not, they don't want to be informed. so they move through life with a limited supply of what it takes to think critically, but many others are, it's like journalism. i don't speak of the media anymore because o'reilly's in the media and bill moyers is in the media and we are different journalists. da but no, i think with the complexity of thee ssues, although in thys they were complex issues of forming a government er and was no rapid communication.
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i don't think people are as informed as we need for democracy to function for government to be held accountable for huge economic institutions to checked with balance. the whole secret of democracy is not that people are virtuous or notu it's that some are vs sometimes and they're not virtuous other times, d me are not virtuous and then they are. what we need is checks and balances t it balance of power, when both parties are trying to do the right thing, orrone's trying to do the thing and the other's holding it account. so i don't think the american pple are as a whole, are as informed as we need for democracy to work and it's very difficult today given most people spend all day making a living, holding two jobs, raising a family trying to help in their church, trying to work as volunteers at the public television station they're busy. that's why the accountability of politicians e is so important becathey're a e
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designed t dsolve the problems bocracy should be able to solve the problems it creates for itself and wyou're house is on fire, don, our home here on earth is on fire. our economy is not performing for millions of americans our highway system is coming apart. so we should be able to e those problems, by depending upon the politicians and bureaucrats who we elect are employed to take those problems that none of us alone can solve and we're not, this country is unraveling, and we need not only more information we need more time to be active citizens. change does come but it never comes swiftly, al and it u comes from the bottom up. and there are people out there on the front line trying to fight climate change, trying to take one climat, trying to solve the problems of our inner cities, thank god for them all of that.
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but they're up against almost insurmountable odds and if we had a truly independent, non-partisan, truth telling media we'd be in a lot better shape. you know there's a great line in the play night and day by tom stoppard, where the photographer in that play says, "people do terrible things to each other, "but it's worse ."en they do it in the da and we're settling into a dark period in american life, during which everybody's happy because we're amusing ourselves to death. we watch how many hours, i go on the subway in new york puty and every week thenew posters up there are new cable television shows, and new plays on broadway and all of that. to and there's so much o and the web is constantly consuming obsessively consuming people. there's so much to entertain us that as my friend
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the late neil posttin who taught communis at new york university said in his famous book, amusing ourselves to death, we will probably die laughing because of the little we know. - it comes down to this issue it seems to me, bill, that it's the difference between providing people sat they need to know verwhat . and the invention of, the survey, where we have asked the public what would you like to s on the news? as opposed to, damnit, this is what you're getting. because this is what you need to know in order to be a citizen and cast a reasonable informed opinion vote. because ratings, circulation, are more important.ymore. - there's a prophet in treating viewers as consumers
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instead of citizenin the t of public television and public radio is that we still somehow with the help of people like this it's been able to hold to the idea of he as a community ofhis ns, not consumers. hold (audience applause) years ago, don, i met a professor of english a great cultural critic at yale, a man na d and he talked about cleantthe bastard muses d ere were three bastard muses. propaganda, which pleads for a particular point of view a sometimes unscrupulous the expense of the total truth.
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sentimentality, which works to create an emotional response in excess of and unwarranted by the occasion. and pornography, which focuses on one powerful drive at the expense othe whole personalit in that little interview i did with cleanth brooks, i don't know a long time ago, co ts to my mind almost evee i try to watch the news on corporate news, because it is propaganda, largely, sentimentality, largely, and pornography, in the terms of its twisted view of the human being and they have also twisted the heart out of what it means to be a citizen. and journalism is a fallen pfession, almost like the first profession it is said, but it is still our only hope when both parties
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whenev was in politics i beit was the responsibility of one party to tell the truth about the other trty, neither party dot today. - i would call joseph heller a curmudgeon i suppose ie and in your inte with him he says these sort of frightening things, here's what he said in the interview with you, "democracy we celebrate is full of illusions "such as participatory democracy," he called voting, "a ritual and a delusion th comforts us, "indispensable to our contentment but in "absolutely useless pplication." do ou agree? - not with you absolutely, but i do believe that voting is easy and democracy's hard. democracy, so it happens, beeen elections in our local communitiesin e and elsewhere and it requires participation people who go to school board meetings,
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and struggle, and argue for what they want. so i don't agree wholly withim. i don't believe in pure democracy, i don't believe you can put an issue out there ou and people will be able to be well informed and act on it you have to read the sentiment of the public and this ithe tere of too much money in politics. representative government is a flawed but necessary form of democracy. we send our representatives to the state house here or to washington to make the best informed judgments they can for their constituents. they're never going to satisfy all the constituents but maybe sometimes they don't even satisfy most of the constituents but we hire them to make good judgments. todaybut most piansans, there are eare more responsive,it to the donors than they are to the voters. so that a representative democracy is skewed,
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corrupted, by the fact that money is the determinant of the outcomes of politics. and that's why what's happened to representative government we need a democracy in which people feel a sense as with public television that they're well considered in the programs we've put on and the policies we adopt in politics and we don't have that at the moment, rarely. i mean we have a dysfunctional government in washington today. by the way, i do have a reverence for the constituon because they attempted to try to create a government of, by, and for the people, even though they discovered that was a very difficult thing. but they had this built-in conflict, that i didn't realize when i was growing up, i mean the man who wrote, "all men are created equal," with his hand on that pen that was the same hand that caressed
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the breasts and thighs of his slave, sally hemings. different time, different morality, but how could he reconcile writing these noble words, "all men are created equal," when he bedded a young woman over whom he had total domination and she had to do what he wanted her to do? they had these children together, how do you reconcile those opposites in your mind? n' i know but it is that conflict in the intelligence hed decision making ofeople in power that we have to constantly question. and so i have a different view of the constitution i mean i didn't even know when i was growing up that it protected slavery, and that many of the founders were slave owners. slavery is woven like a dark thread through our history and our founding fathers were culpable.
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and the point of it is that change has to come from people like us who don't take for granted or take with finality what those in potr tell us and who fi for the justice and the liberty and the equality that is mentioned in the declaration. to me the declaration is the much greater, more powerful, of the instruments of our government. so when you keep revising, the older you get, you keep revising what you know. l that's wing to an old age if you're lucky to have your health is a wonderful, internal, and perpetual university. - final question, to you mr. moyers and tt is would you repeat for them a story that joseph campbell said to you at the conclusion of all of the interviews when it was finally done.
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when he asked whether you intended to stay in this line of work? ah - e had been together those two summers and i was leaving to come back, it wasn't the latime i saw m because when i got back to new york and started editing i remembered i had looked at all theedootage and i hadn't aim about god. so i called him at his "joe i didn't ask you about god. or "would you come to new let's do one more show?" so he did, but when i was leaving, when i was leaving skywalker ranch for the last time he walked with me out to our car. and he said, "are you going to stay in this?" c i had not betain about journalism not been fixed in my trajectory. "are you going to stay in this work?" and i said, "yes, i think so," and he said, "well, good." he said, "if you want to change the world "change thmetaphor. "change the story." as joseph campbell would say meta-pher,
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instead of metaphor, the heroes journey is one as he describes it as, "the person man or woman "who goes out to an unknown place, "faces dangers and rrors and drama, "returns with the prize afy and from the story "we then the heroes of it can begin our owheroes journey." bill moyers i speak for a lot of people, but this is very personal, you are the metaphor. you arfor being a partrney, ani thof this evening. - well thank you. (audience applause) >> important information that
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steves: we're heading two hours southeast of salzburg to my favorite salzkammergut town on my favorite salzkammergut lake. the tiny train station across lake hallstatt from the postcard-pretty town by the same name -- hallstatt. stefanie, a boat, meets each arriving train d glides scenically across the lake into town. lovable hallstatt is a tiny town buoyed onto a ledge between a mountain and a swan-ruled lake. apart from the waterfall idwhich rips through its me, hallstatt is an oasis of peace. with the scarcity of level land,
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tall homes had their front door ooon the street-level top and their water entrance several floors below. the town, which orig cated as a salt-miningter, is one of europe's oldest, going back centuries before christ. there was a hallstatt before there was a rome. in fact, because of the salt-mining importance here an entire age -- the hallstatt era, from about 800 b.c. to 400 b.c. -- is named for this oe-important spot. if you dug under these buildings, you'd find roman and pre-roman celtic pavement stones from the ac ient and prehistolt depot. this cute little village was once the salt-mining namesake of a culture that spread from france to the black sea. back then, salt was so precious because it preserved meat, and hallstatt was, as its name means, the lace of salt." a steep funicular runs up the mountain to hallstatt's salt mine. it's one of many throughout the region
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that offer tours. at the mine, vitors slip into overalls, meet their guide, and hike into the mountain. while this particular tunnel dates only from 1719, hallstatt's mine claims to be the oldest in the world. in the tour, ylearn the story of salt. archaeologists claim that, since 7000 b.c., le have come here to get salt. a briny spring sprung here, attracting bronze-age people. later, miners dug tunnels to extract the salty rock. they dissolved it into a brine, h flowed through miles of pipes, the oldest hewn out of logs, to hallstatt and nearby towns, where the brine was, and still is, cooked until only the salt remained. a highlight is riding miner-style from one floor down to the next, praying for no splinters. through the centuries,
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hallstatt was busy with the salt trade. si had no road access, people came and went by boat. you'll still see the traditional fuhr boats, designed to carry heavy loads in shallow water. herr alfred lenz makes the town's traditional boats from a 200-year-old design. the oar lock is still bude of the gut of .
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tonight on kqed "newsroom," with le than three weeks to go to the november elections a look at key california congressional races and how silicon valley is being tested by the saudi crisis. plus we'll hear from state senator kevin de leon, the man trying to win dianne feinstein's seats in the senate. and the photographer who brought us an intimate view of president obama's white house, his visual comies on president trump, has made him an instagram star. hello and welcome to kqed "newsroom." i'm thuy vu. we begin tonight with politics. around the state some high-stakes congressional races are turning nasty. in san diego county republican representative duncan campaign has sought to portray his opponent as a

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