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we will bring you the latest in this high-stakes review. laura: welcome to our viewers on public television in america and around the globe. we are used to reporting on turmoil in u.s. politics, but today all the turbul was in britain. one day after saying her cabinet backs the brexit deaay the prime minister was deluged by ministers resigning, most nobly the brexit secretary theresa may is defiant, though, saying she will see her plan through. but leading brexit supporters are calling for her to step asid the bbc's political editor laura kuenssberg starts our coverage. this seems to be some iinteretoday's proceeding. laura k.: on exactly the spot where theresa may took on the job of prime minister, the march
of the brexiteers trying to walk her to the exit. >> what we need is a leader who will say to the european union that it is impossible to divide the united kingdom, it ag impossible te to a situation where we have a perpetual customs union. laura k.: what do y say to some of our viewers who think that this is self-indulgent and you are complaining about a practical compromise and this is about e ambition of brexiteers rather than what is good for the country? >> it is nothing to do with ambition of brexiteers. it is what is good for the country. aving the european union is the most fantastic opportunity for the united kingdom. laura k.: the ugly fight over how we leave the european union now an open battle in the tory party for who runs the country.a what we all to make of this warfare playing our eyef ose who still back h, exasperated.
>> stop rocking the boat, stop wrecking. otherwise this will prove an historic disasous period not just for the conservative party and the government but for the country. >> good moing, minister. laura k.: that hope dashed by this man, the brexit secretary who quit and did not make the journey to work today. , the pensionnt secretary who gave up her seven members of the government have gone today. in protest of a brexit compromise the but she is still there, even with resignations and open revolt. can she stay? she will try. prime min. may: serving in high office is an honor and privilege. it is also a heavy responsibility. at is true at any time, but especially when the stakes are so high. negotiating the u.k.'s withdraw from the eu after 40 years and
building from the ground up a new an enduring relationship for the good of our children and grandchildren is a matter of the highest consequence. my approach throughout has been to put the national interest firs i do not judge harshly those of my colleagues who seek to do the same but reach a different conclusion. m i'rry that they are chosen to leave the government, and i thank them for their service. but i believe with every fiber of my being that the course i've set out is the right one for our country and our people laura k.: is another case that you are in office but not really in power? prime min. may: i'm going to do my job of getting the best deal for britain. i am going to do my job of getting a deal that is in the national interest. when the vote comes before the house of commons, the mp's will do their job. am i going to see this through? yes. laura k.: she just made it plain
that she wants to stay but she may have to go. with her party in roof all, colleagues are -- in revolt, colleagues are organizing to shove her from office. this could be a gale that sweeps through in a couple of days or a storm that brings the prime nister and her governmen down. she cannot ignore this. listen to theoweparted brexit secretary condemning the deal. dozens and dozens of his colleagues hold this view. >> i find very hard to get -- i fought very hard to get a good deal that i could in good conscience take to my country. what was proposed is not only damaging to the country,t is impossible to reconcile with the promises we made in the last election. >> statement, the prime minister. laura k.: beyond departed colleagues, is it realistic that theresa may can get hurt version through parliament?
prime min. may: i do not pretend that this is a comfortable process from or that i or we or the eu are happy with all the arrangements in it. mrspeaker, when i became prime minister in t 201re was no ready-made blueprint for brexit. samany peopl it could simply not be done. i have never accepted that. laura k.: watch her colleagues -- half of them cheering, half of them arms crossed, hardly owing where to look. 57 minutes of bitter complaint after bitter complaint. >> this is not the deal the country was promised, and parliament cannot anlieve will not accept a false choice between this bad deal and no deal. withdrawnment must now this half-baked to deal, which it is clear does not have the backing of the cabinet, this parliamentor, he country as a whole. laura k.: like it or not, it is
in this circus that the government's future will be decided. in a moment of the absurd, theresa may cracking a joke during an intense crisis. the prime minister at the mercy of others, but still in place. laura: laura kuenssberg reporting there. f time ago i discussed a of these developments with our north american editor jon sopel, who is no stranger to covering british politics. is there se houdini-like chce that the prime minist can get her brexit deal through parliament? jon: well, she is clearly still fighting to get that through at the moment it is a question of athmetic and the arithmet is not there for her. you have people on the right of the conservative party and you have other people, democratic stuniooliticians from northern ireland, some labor politicians, who are saying that this brexit deal is nowhergonear enough. you have the labor party, her main opposition, saying this
deal is not good enough. you have very few people saying ohyes, this is great. and so you have got three choices,t seems to me. hard brexit, cliff-edge brexit. you have the theresa may plan. or you have got a referendum. second at the moment -- there are a lot of pieces in motion, but at theoment there is no majority for anything, and it is fiendishly complicated. my twitter has been fabulous today. this one i love -- "my wife has swched off the news, aiexng this is too , and resumed writing her aenautical thesis." laura: less complicated than brexit. can the prime minister survive if she cannot get her deal through? jon: it is impossible to see how she survives.
but all those people who have been saying about theresa may, you should have gotten a better deal from the european union, they have been rather short on explaining what that better deal is. how it would be negotiated and whether the european union would agree to it. maybe the problem is not theresa lsy and her negotiating sk or the negotiating skills of her civil servant. maybe it is just fiendishly colicated. we heard in laura's report there, it is 40 years we have been in e european union. all sorts of government departments do not take key decisions because they are enmeshed in brussels gislation. britain has got to transfer thes responsibilities and rear them ba reintegrate into the british system. it is mind bogglingly complicated. sorting that deal out is fiendishly difficult. laura: and there is very little britain is supposed to leave the european union at the end of march. do we know if that is what will
happen? jon: i still think it ha possiblesomewhere, somehow, there is a second referendum or there becomes a general election. as i say, at the mom the house of commons, which is where the vote will take place, there is no majority for anything. but it could be anvepportunistic y the labor party leader, to turn around and say the nation is hopelessly divided i didn't want a sec referendum, but we cannot agree on anything, so let's for this to the people one more time. one other scenio i will give you is that we triggered this thing called article 50, which is the thing that will lead to us leaving the europeaunion. what if theresa may says i have as a go, i am resigni prime minister, i cannot get this through parliament, but as -- so a that id this hard brexit, i will rescind article a let someone else take it over and see if they can do better than me. i would not be surprised if that
happens, that someone says i will not go anywhere near this, it is just is held in abeyance and we are still in the european union and no one wts to go near the live rail of a second referendum on it. laura: well, brexit s been so divisive just like donald trump. i know my own family in britain is divided over brexit. it is not an exact parallel. jon: in my life this is the most consequential moment in british politicahistory. i don't say that glibly. i say that hard. the fall of thatcher was a major political news story, but it was replacing one prime minister with another. this is fundamentally altering the relationship that britain has and it will last a lifetime. mpdonald tif the people are fed up with him, they can kick him out.th is the end of it. maximum six more years of donald trump. brexit is for life. laura: jon sopel, our north america editor talking brexit with me earlier. in other news, public
prosecutors in saudirabia say they will seek the death penalty for those charged with the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. mr. khashoggi was killed after entering the saudi consulate i istanbul. after initial denials, the saudis said he was killed in a rogue operation. europe's top human rights court has found that the repeated attention of russian opposition leader -- repeated detention o russian opposition leader alexei navalny was politically motivated. he feel -- filed the complaint with the court of human rights. it found his seven arrests between 2012 and 2014 had been aimed at suppressing clinical pluralism. it will take years to rebuild the california town of paradis -- that is the verdict of top officials who are dealing with the devastation caused wildfires. e so far 58 people hen killed and more than 100 are still missing. our correspondent dan johnson sent this report from the scene.
dan: these are the teams that have to answer the painful questions that hangrn the acrid -- what happed to my loved one, how many more people are dead. house after house from the street after street, the ashes of thicommunity slowly vealing the lives once lived here. his work is difficult and th conditions can be dangerous, and the scalef e task is almost impossible to comprehend. more than 10,000 properties ruined 1 more than00 people still missing. o there is nod news here, no positive outcome only another name to add to the lis.of lives lost they sift through the rubble a with respe they are trying to preserve some dignity. >> they are special people. don't think humans are intended to see this stuff. , they come everybody
in with the intentovf trying to e closure to the families because right now they are missing. dan: so there is still more for them to do, and as they look further, it only getsor. dan johnson, bbc news, paradise. laura:heresident will go to california himself on saturday to see the devastation in person. lithe de has come and gone ballots in there senate and governor's races oire unde a recount. now everyone awaits the results and it will not surprise you to learn that the drama might not is over yet. rajini vaidyanathan fort lauderdale, and i spoke to her moments ago. what is the latest, and are we any closer to a result down there? rajini: well, that is a very good question, because we have just minutes that certainly in the race for senate after that machine recount that ended at 3:00 today, the margin of error between the two candidates was less than a quarr of a percent
which means that it does now automatically move to another recount, laura. this time it will be a hand recount, so people physically counting vote after vote. the deadline for that to be completed is sunday.e we hard that from the florida secretary of state's office. it is unclear on the othertcace we were ng that had a recount, the race for governor in florida. laura: rajin vaidyanathan reporting from florida. you are watching "bbc world news america." still to come on tonight's program, president trump unleashes on the mueller isestigation, tweeting iit disgrace to the nation. tensions built in the white house over where the probe heads next. an operation to return muslim rohingyas from refugee camps aninsideadesh to myanmar has
stalled because they don' want many of the refugees has been protesting the move. yogita lamaye reports. there are rohingya orefugees gathered in onethe camps. they emphatically all say they do not want to go back to me and my. -- two myanmar. banglade government officials are telling these people that logistics are in place. there are buses out here and a transit camp if they would like to go back to me and my fifth two myanmar. people are shouting and waving their hands and some holding ards. clearly they don't want to go back. f some oeir demands -- the firthat theyi should be given citizenship. and security issues, they want
to feel safe. hundreds of thousands of people fled from myanmar last year. wereis refugee camp, they fleeing violence and persecemion. many of aw family members killed in front of their eyes. more than a year lat, they say they still don't feel safe. laura: yogita lamaye reporting there. our correspondent has been following the story on myanmar's border, where the rectgees were ex to return, and he has this update. reporter: we are not aware of any rohingya refugees going back across the border today. what happens now? the problem is myanmar and bangladesh has been involved in this scheme together without e tside help. n. has not been involved in any way. if those twoe countries are willing to wait or willing to take on external help to solve the situation that continues.
ura: the president is getting more and more frustrated with the mueller investigation. this morning he attacked it on twthter. he callee working on the probe into russian interference a disgrace to the nation and democratic thugs. for more on the president's increasingly aggressive tone, i spoke brief me ago with susan page, washington bureau chief for "usa today." susan page, the president has re special counsel after relative quiet. tany clues why? susan: we think the storm is gathering when it comes to the special counsel. the special counsel kept pretty quiet in those final weeks of our midterm electis. now we think he is close to issuing his report on whether there was collusion with the trump campaign in 2016 and whether the president is guilty of obstruction of justice, and we think the president is all too aware that this is about to come out.
l'a: one of the president' tweets in particular is raising even more eyebrows than usual when he condemned the inner workings of the mueller campaign. why is that drawing so much attention? susan: he has named a new acting attorney general, matt whitaker, who has been cricized by some for not being a suitable attorney general, for being perhaps political. fore he was in the justice department, he was very critical of the special counsel investigation, said there was nothing there. there is fear about what he mimight do in terms of inf the president, trying to limit the special counsel's scope. we don't know what will happen there and was quite a bit of concn especially with democrats in congress but also some republicans. laura: we are hefring rumblings the odd republican senag r about passlaw to protect robert mueller. any chance that will happen? susan: democrats would love to do that. there are some republicans who think it is appropriate.
but the senate majority leer, mitch mcconnell, has been pretty firm that he will not bring that up for a vote, and the senate majority leader has a lot of power whent comes to what comes to the floor. until you get past mitch mcconnell, it will not go anywhere. laura: we do know that the president reportedly met w his lawyers this week and is parently working on written answers to the questions that robert mueller has put to him. does that suggest that this is -- as you say, the clouds are gathering?i susan: yesink it is a sign that they are in the final stages. they have had months and months of negotiations over whether the president would submit to a face-to-face interview with the special counsel. .eople were skeptical that was ever going to happ i think it is clear that is not going to happen. he is responding to written questions and lots of negotiations about what would be allowe the fact that the president is trying to sit down and figure out wh he wants to say is a sign that we are the final stages of that portion, at least, of the special counsel's inquiry. laura: there have not been any indictments from the special
counsel for a while. as you say, he went d quieting the midterms. but tons of of speculation that something could happen soon. susan: there is speculation that roger stone, a notorigure in american politics, might be on the verge of being indicted.t that wouldretty close to the presidents inner circle. laura: susan page, thank you for susan: thank you. laura: all this week the bbc is running a series going beyond fake news, tracking ho disinformation is spread and whate can do to stop it. we all know about the charges that russimeddled in the u.s. presidential election. but a "new york times" documentary reveals russia has paged an influence campaign to chair the west for decades. one of the reporters behind the project joined me a short time ago. we think of fake news as being a recent trend, but didn't president reagan himself warned abe threat of russian disinformation?
>> yeah, we unearthed these old videotapes fe 1980's of kgb defectors who had come to the west and spilling the secrets of how fake news stories re made and concocted by kgb officers during the soviet union. president reagan took this threat quite seriously, and when he came into town, he had a new policy before president reagan, the u.s. policy was basically don't respond to fake news stories because you dignify them. but reagan sought to fight them quite aggressively and to debunk them and to go publicly about the tactics that the soviets were using to create anti-american conspiracies.ur tell us about this classic fake news story about how the u.s. government supposedly created the aids virus to target vulnerableof sectorhe population. adam: it's really one of the most spectacular and stunning hoaxes ever created.
the conspiracy essentially says that in a laboratory in the state of maryland, which was a real military facility in maryland, the u.s. military had created the aids virus as a so-called ethnic weapon to kill blacks and gays. the soviets not only thought of this big lie, but read it with inery,ly well oiled ma first in india and later into africa and throughout all of latin america. we found 80 examples of is appearing in newspaper stories around the world. laura: how is the internet really just adding rocket fuel to these old russian tactics?in adamur film we compare two cases, the hoax of the u.s. creating the aids virus in the mid-1980's to the pizzagate conspiracy around the 2016 u.s.t presidential en. when you overlay these cases, you see so many of the same
tactics. vebut the one thing that i different is that in the 1980's, the aids conspiracy took essentiallsix years to sort of go viral in a pre-internet era. when you look athe pizzagate case, that was made and disseminated in less than six s.week and the reason for that massive gap in time range is the modern-day case had the internet behind it. it just enables things to go viral at a speed that was unimaginable during the cold war. laura: your documentary shows that eastern european countriesi are fi back against russian disinformation. what is proving effective? l am: now eastern european governments and cicieties are essentially the leaders in sniffing out and detecting russian disinformaon. they have lived in the shadow of russian lies and forced ideology for generations. laura: thank you so much for joining us. adam: thank you for having me.
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