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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> nawaz: good evening. judy woodruff is away. on the newshour tonight: turmoil at the top-- how multiple resignations at the country's top intelligence office raise questions about political influence and the future of the intelligence community. then, five years after the police killing of mich we return to ferguson, missouri, to look at the emotional toll left behind. >> when i wake up in the morning, my emotions are all over the place, and i really don't know if i want to go forwards, backwards. every day is a fight for me since august 9, 2014. n az: and it's friday. david brooks and jonathan capehart are here to break down the political response to mass shootings in el paso and dayton, as well as the latest from the 2020 campaign trail. all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour.
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of these institutions and friends the newshour. >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcaing. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >>awaz: president trump expressed hope today that he'll be able to persuade republicans to back stronger background check legislation foarms. he said he's spoken with congressional leaders and lofficials from the natio rifle association after la weekend's mass shootings in texas and ohio. before leaving the whiouse this morning, the presidentold reporters there is "tremendous support" for background check legislation. >> frankly, we need intelligent background checks.
okay? this isn't a question of n.r.a., republican or democratu i will tell spoke to mitch mcconnell yesterday. he's tally on board. he said, "i've been waiting for your call." he is totally on board. >> nawaz: now, mcconnell has not endorsed any type of gun safety legislation. yesterday, he told a kentucky radio show the senate will discuss background checks and-c led "red flag" laws when it returns in september. five years after the fatal shooting of michael brown in ferguson, missouri, his father today called for a new investigation of his death. the 2014 killing sparked nationwide protests and a movement for police accountability, but state and federal prosecutors declined to indict darren wilson, the white police officer who s killed the unarmed black teenager. today, brown's father said justice had not yet been served. >> as a father i vowed to protect my children.
well, on august 9, 2014, that wasn't the case. i could not protect him that day, and it breaks my heart. his family is still standing, and we're not stopping until we get some type of justice. >> nawaz: st. louis county's new sleyecuting attorney, bell, has not yet said whether he will reopen the case. in hong kongdemonstrators descended on the international airport today for the first of three days of planned anti- government protests. hundreds of activists filled the airport's terminal and chanted demands for democratic reforms in the region. protesters said they want to send a message to visitors in hong kong. >> ( translated ): every fogigner who came to hong k could see how united we are. this shows that hong kong youngsters are 100% peaceful and not violent. >> nawaz: while today's protests remained peaceful, some recent demonstrations have led to violent clashes between tolice and prot. today, the territory's chiefe executive, carm-- who has faced calls to step down-- urged
lawmakers not to give in after months of chaos. >> i don't think we should just sort of make conssions in order to silence the violent protesters. we should do what is right for hong kong. an at this moment, what is right for hong kong-- as we have heard all of ou33 business representatives told us-- is to stop the violence and to say no to the chaotic situation that hong kong has experienced in the last few weeks. >> nawaz: the protests started in opposition to a now-tabled t extradition bit could have moved hong kong residents to mainland china to face criminal chges. police have arrested nearly 600 people in the demonstrations since june. there is word tonight north korea has fired two projectiles into the sea off the eastern coast. it comes after theoury has ramped i up the missile test amid stalemate with talks with theu.
the president said he received a three page letter from north korean leader kim jong un but declined to share what it said. china meanwhile is on red alert as a powerful typhoolan made fall on its east coast. it touched down in zhejiang around 1:00 a.m. local time on saturday. heavy rains and strong winds had already impacted parts of northeastern taiwan, c flights and suspending schools. the typhoon is expected to weaken as it moves farther land. the indian government today temporarily eased a stct curfew in the disputed territory of kashmir for friday prayers. that came during an unprecedented five-day lockdown the muslim-majority state by india's hindu-nationalist government. today, in pakistan-administered kashmir, hundreds demonstrated against that crackdown. >> ( translated ): we are on the streets, and we have just one demand: that we should be given the right of dermination as soon as possible and that a solution should be found for the kashmir issue. we appeal to the united nations to find a peaceful solution and
grant us self-determination >> nawaz: the indian government implemented that lockdown after it unilaterally revoked kashmir's autonomy, leading to mass protests and esca tensions with pakistan. the remains of a droit man who died in baghdad after being l deported from the u.s. w returned to his home state of michigan for burial. jimmy al-daoud, who was born in greece to iraqi refugees, had lived in the u.s. legally since he was an infant. the 41-year old struggled with mental health issues and was deported in junes part of an ice crackdown on immigrants with criminal convictions. he died in iraq, a country he'd never before set foot in, after being unable to obtaulin to treat his diabetes. and there are new signs that uncertainty about "brexit" is taking a toll on the british economy. it uxpectedly shrank in t second quarter for the first time since 2012 as britain prepares to the leav european union in october with or without a deal. back in this country, trading
was light on wall street. the dow jones industrial average lost more than 90 points to close at6,287; the nasdaq fell 80 points; and the s&p 500 slipped 19. still to come on the newshour: multiple high-profilegn reions raise questions about the future of u.s. veintelligence gathering; years later, we examine the lasting impact of the police killing of michael brown on the ferguson, missouri, communityde; cratic presidential hopefuls gather in iowa to make their case to voters at the all- important state fair; and much more. >> nawaz: the top two officials athe office of director of national intelligence will leave service next week. just last nigh the deputy director, a near-30-year intel veteran named sue gordon, tendered her resignation.he
this followsesignation of the director, dan coats, ten days ago. i the d.n.charged with coordnating the 17 agencies of thesprawling u.s. intellige community, or i.c. mr. trump has often harshly i criticized tel community since he took office. gordon, who was widely respected, sent the president a curt resignation note, telling mr. trump that he "should have his team." the national counterterrorism center director, retired admiral joseph mcguire, was named by mr. trump last night as acting d.n.i. to walk us through all this and why it matters, our nick schifr is here. hi, nick. >> hi, amna. a lot paragraphing. joseph mcguire, whawe know about him? >> vice admiral joseph mcguire spent 30 yearss a special warfare officer navy seals. he feels director of the n.t.c.t. that advises on policy and operations acros the
intelligence community. i talked to a lot of people on the hill, intelligence community, former senior o intelligence officials wrk for him. the people who defend him call him a first class human being, great leader, man of integrity and warrior. "if i ever needed someoneou killed, he be the guy i call," is what one person i talked to said. that's the kind of endorsemeen prestrump gave him today. >> admiral mcguire is an intelligent man, a great leader, a manwho is respected by everybody, and he's going to be up for a period of time, who knows, maybe he gets the jobs, bute will be there for a period of time, maybe a longer period of time, i think, we'll see. >> even friends of mcguire said he had shortcomings. he's not an analyst or a strategic thinker, he's not going to solve the challenges that face the intelligence community, he's not going to be lathe best at eing a complex problem, that's where some of
the criticism comes in.al id to a senior official, congressional aid, who said mtt jouire is going to follow the president's orders rather than speak truth, rather than tell him the intelligence that he needs to hear even if he doesn't want to hear it and they worry he's not up to the task, that he'll take orders like a loyal soldier rather than giving the president truth. >> nawaz: we heard the presidt has beenoliticizing the intelligence community, we heard that before. where does that concern stemo m? >> from the very beginning, remember president trump went tw big his inauguration crowd was in the first few weeks of his presidency. e president's defenders called the intelligence community a deep state and he targeted his own senior members of the intelligence community. think of dan coats soon to be former director of national intelligence, criticized the c president'ments on north korea and i.s.i.s., or at least didn't agree with the president's comments. just last week the president called coats "a little confused" and said the intelligence
community had "run amok." and that's what theeople worried about mcguire tell me, what men when the president bushes back against mcguire, mcguire will not be up to the task. his defenders say he wl stick with his integrity and will always be truthful and always back up his analysts and that will back up the community as a whole. >> nawaz: a lot of this is just as much about the people who didn't get the job. sue gordon, but t john ratcliffe, why didn't they get the job?>> atcliffe misled on his resume. ratcliffe criticized the russia inttion and questioned whether russia interfered in the 2016 election, that's something thent entireligence community has been behind that left questions about him. that left sueorn, the woman who would have gotten the job,
and i've talked to a lot of people today, and kay they universalsly say she was a consummate staff officer, beloved on both sides of the hill, very capable and tough as nails, and here'shat representative adam schiff, democrat or california and the chairman of theouse expwedges community said about this, gordon brought decades of experience and encyclopedic knowledge of the agency to bear and her absence will believe a great void, but the president saws herart of the deep state. we saw that in one of by his don donald trump, jr. who tweeted last week if adamchiff nts her in there the rumors about her being besties with john bren t and rest of the clown cadre must be 100% true. obviously that distrust is why she did not get the job, even though she was so beloved and backed by the intelligence community and capitol hill. >> nawaz: she didn't get the note -- didn't get the job and
wrote the note. >> sue gordon was pushed out. she wrote, i offer this letter as an act of respect andti patr, not preference. you should have your team and then finished, know that our people, meaning the intelligence communeny, are your sh and they will never fail you or the nation, a clear statement that the people ofge the intele community will always do their job whether or not the president wants to listen to them or not. >> this is a big job, the d.n.i., we're seeing all the civilian and military intelligence, why does all this matter now? >> the u.s. intelligence yaghts is sprawling, has lots of agencies good at specific things, but the d.n.i. was dots.d to connect the that the what didn't happen during 9/11 and what the d.n.i. was created to do, to make sure that the intelligence agencies are working together, make sure their priorities in terms of their budgets are right andke crucially sure any dissent is heard. >> nawaz: lot of turmoil. thanks for keeping track of it
all. >> thank you. >> nawaz: now, we return t ferguson, missouri, where, five years after the killinn,of michael br community is still healing. our own yamiche alcindor went to ferguson and reports that while some progress has been made, many who lived through that day and the protests and the unrest that followed, say their lives have been changed forever. >> when i wake up in the morning, my emotions are all over the place, and i reallydo t know if i want to go forwards, backwards. because every day is a fight for me since august 9, 2014. >> reporter: that was the day lesley mcspadden's son, mir.ael brown, j, was shot and killed by a police officer in ferguson, miouri. the shooting sparked massive protests and unrest in the city. ultitely, officer darren wilson was not indted for killing the 18-year-old. it's now been five years since
ferguson became a national symbol and inspired activists across the world. for those who intimately experienced what happened here, the trauma othat time runs deep. and, for mcspadden, the hurt is about what neveras. >> i was left with absolutely nothing as far as a remnanof michael. you know, he didn't have any children. he had never worked a job as a mother, it makes you question yourself even though bu know it's not yourault. but that's what i'n dealing with for the last five years. >> reporter: since then, she's started a foundation in her son's name. it offers youth services and a support network for mothers taling with similar losses. much of her focuugh, is on her family. >> my baby son is now about to be 15. people talk. they ask questions. so, now, he has questions for
me. how do i answer those questions? >> reporter: it sounds like you're not any more confent ve years later that your son who's now 15 would be safe from what happened to michael brown. >> no. i'm not. >> reporter: in the hours, days and monthsfter brown was killed, thousands of protesters came to ferguson to voihe outrage overhooting. kayla reed was one of those protesters. >> i think it really touched to the fabric of something in this country, for a generation that hadn't been touched. eporter: the sights and sounds of those days and months have left many, including reed, arred. >> it is really hard is really hard for me to go to ferguson. when i see that box that they pour cement over where his body laid, and i see his memorial, it is really hard to reckon with the reality that all of th came because someone had to die. >> reporter: she is now co- direc" of the advocacy group, action st. louis." the group campaigns to elect
progressive politicians. ts also hosts a fellowship for young, black activ still, reed says, despite what she and others lcoe her have lished, there remains a heavy weight. >> you know, there's a lot of pressure to kind of achieve this line of... of justice that was undeclared four years ago. i felt like i was up against a clock, that if i didn't do enough, somebody else's child was going to get killed. >> reporter: physical reminders of what happened five years ago also remain. there are remnants of buildings that we damaged and stores boarded up in the wake of the protests. for some, they are triggers that have led to nightmares. >> well, some ghts, i'll be pummeling her in the back. you know, i'd...ike, the other night, i was trying to push somebody out of the house, you know, thinking that somebody had come in. and she said, "your hands are moving. you've got to wake up." >> reporter: for decades, william mccarty and his wife, judy, have lived here. their home is just a few blocks from the epicenter of the protests and unrest.
>> i thought, every night, when i took a shower, i was afraide nshot was going to come through the window and kill me. that'sow close it was. >> reporter: judy mccarty, whose brother was once a ferguson police officer, is still shaken by her experience. >> one night, they came just to check on us, to see how we were doing. and when they left, th us to pray for them. the police wanted prayer. they were scared >> reporter: for joshua williams, who was a promint protester, the consequences are even more stark. >> i saw michael brown and trayvon martin, tamir rice, sandra bland. i saw all those people. and, most importantly, i saw myself because i could have been one of those people on the grou under this sheet. n reporter: williams, the, was arrested after he tried to set fire to a gas ation. there was little damagto the
building, and no one was injured. williams pled guilty to arson, burglary, and stealing. he was sentenced to eight years in prison. williams says he regrets what he did but adds he did it for a purpose. >> i was so angry that i didn't ret.ly care what came out of i just did it. in my mind, that would set o t the governmeo pay attention to us, to see our pain, to see our tears, and to see our blood in the streets. >> i feel a lot of pain and some guilt around josh because i really wish that it wasn't his experience. i really wish that hwasn't so young. and i wish that he didn't have to suffer this, like, by himself. you know, i wish we could all do a day for him so that he could come home faster or something. >> reporter: for many, five years feels like just a snapshot in time.
residents and activists say it will take much longer to addresn long-staissues and the new ones emerging. when lesley mcspadden reflects on the next five years, she again turns to her family. >> in four years, my son will graduate from high school. in two years, my daughter will graduate college. e just want to be here to all.ug thit all, i'll just continue to be their mother, endure what comes my way, and pray about better days for ferguso >> reporter: for the pbs newshour, i'm yamiche alcindor in ferguson, missouri. >> nawaz: and a note about last night's story on the changes taking place in ferguson. we misidentified the political affiliation of former st. louisp counsecutor bob mcculloch. he is a democrat. we also stat st. louis county jail population has declined by 20% since new prosecutor wesleyi
bell took . that number should be 16%. we have posted a corrected version online, where you can watch the entire series at www.pbs.org/newshour. st >> nawaz with us. coming up on the newshour: david brooks and jonathan capehart break down the week's political news; young musicians in poland revive the country's golden age of music, cut short by the nazi invasion; and we take a moment to remember the lives of those killed in the mass shootings last weekend. just about all of the democratic presidenal hopefuls are paying a visit to the iowa state fair six months ahead of the iowa caucuses. amid the fried food and festivities, the candidates made their pitches to wa voters. now, some are choosing ts occasion to go further than they have preously on the president's language around race.
>> everybody knows who donald trump is. even his supporters know w he is. we've got to let him know who we are. we choose unity over division. we choose science over fiction. >> nawaz: meanwhile, during a visit to an iowa farm, massachusetts senator elizabeth warren called the president himself a white supremacist. at the state fair, julian castro told newshour's lisa desjardins that he agrees. >> he's actively fostering division and hate in our country. t reporter: you think he's a white supremacisd a racist? >>f. think that's the kind o.. yes, i think he's a racist. i think th he believes... it seems like he believes that opite people are better than or superior to other , unfortunately. >> nawaz: and lisa joins me now from the iowa state fair. lisa, i want to ask you about mr. castro's comments in a moment. let's start with the iowa state fair, kind of a starting lt for the presidential primary race. what are all the candidates
doing right now to win voters? >> that's exactly right. sort of think of this as almost a political free for a, barely organized political free for all, but with your favorite bad for you foods involved. i just say, amna,hat we've seen something new here which is a real crush of reporters which is especially around vice president biden. hsubject give amany appearances athas other candidates. so there was discussion aboute vice president especially armed the topic of whether the president is a white supremacist, and vice president biden agreed in the endth elizabeth warren. this idea of race and dividing this country seems to be dominatindominatingdominating tn thet. i asked about how do you label the president, should you lab the president this day to john delaney andndrew yang today. andrew yang agreed he is a white supremacist. john delaney and tulsi gabbard said we don't think it's useful to go there. for is an important iss
the democrats, not just those who want to talk about the president an what he presidents through politically important. the voters are not comfortable with labeling the president as a racist, even democrats. in iowa, many talk to if you label someone as racist or white supremacist you havenow their intent. that's a big debate, many democrats disagree, it's their action that matter. some democrats are moving farther faster than others. >> nawaz: tell me about what you're hearing from the democric voters in the crowd? does this matter to them? how are they assessing the candidate feels now? >> this has been eye opening and fascinating. the best part of the fair is talking with the voters inowa. elizabeth warren, i keep hearing her name, she iy s clearlon the rise in this state and it's not just name recognition and appeal, her organization has been on the ground longest and they seem to be really the muscle they have been flexing
and numbers of people knocking on doors is starting to pay off very quickly. also you're hearing a few other names. i think we need to keep an eye ill on pete buttigieg. kamala harris gets a lot mention. i'm hearing mentions of tulsi gabbard. i think the bigger story here, it's still six months out, of waurse, but democrats in are very undecided. it doesn't seem like they passionately ael stronglyut one candidate, perhaps with the exception of elizabeth warren supporters. >> nawaz: potential republican voters at the state faimplet you have been talking to a lot of people. what have they been saying?de >> presint trump is very strong here in iowa and even some democrats who told me they were democrats say they think the president is doing a good job, some farmers who think the president's tradeic pol while it may hurt some of them now, is something they believe in long term. they also think that democrats may be going too far when it comes to, say, immigration, and
they reall-- i just can't stress enough the strength of president trump here in this state. remember he won iowa by ne points. democrats really need to win in states like iowa in order to regain the white house, a here at the iowa state fair, he's very popular. i think most of a ll, thosewho support the president believe that he represents a kind of pride in america that they don't see from the democrats. democrats totally disagree, but that's a mhesagere not getting across to these republican trump fans who are certainly out here at the fair. >> nawaz:ou mentioned strayed and immigration, are those some of the top issues to iowans right now? >> quickly, also ihink healthcare. i spoke to several mothers, families, one mom working three jobs, another with three children, who say they are depending on obamas re. thismething that the democrats are going to have to rely on to do well in a state like this and something that could help joe biden. one bibbed vote -- biden voter, three-year-old says she needs that kind of healthcare and she appreciates joe biden and obamacare , that
a winning issue for democrats in this case. >> nawaz: lisa desrdins on .he ground for us at the iowa state fa good to talk to you, lisa. >> you, too. >> nawaz: we're now nearly a week on from the two tgedies in el paso, texas, and dayton, ohio.gr but the questions that have been raised in the aftermath remain, and likely will remain for some time. how, if at allwill american politics and american society respond? that capehart.to brooks and that's "new york times" columnist david brooks and "washington post" columnist jonathan capehart. mark shields is away this week. welcome to you both. thanks for being here. the big topic w thiseeks gun violence was a big topic of conversation. i want to go right to a poll. we heard president trump mention earlier today leader mcconnell is totally on brd wi background checks, that would bring him in line with the rest of the country.
this is broken down by party support for universal background checks. the floor is 84% for republicans. do you see this as the moment thathis legislation passes? >> well, of course, the logically you want t yes, but we have been here so many times in parkland and all theav shootings we and haven't quite gotten there. how can something with that kind of support even withic republs not pass? first the tabla has a zero compromise policy that we won accept compromise, we're just holding the line and for 25, 30n years, it's b working for them. second, people care about guns et the week after sng like this happens and then you ask them to rank theou issues care about, guns start dropping down. the third,eth turned into a culture war where for a lot people it's about my culture versus your culture and if you want to wontrol my gunsch is part of my gun clubs and community, you're jus b ach of coastal elites coming after me. so i hope that's something that
changes but we have a right to skeptical. we might have the same gun debate over and over again,t bu what's new this week is it's a terrorism issue as well, and that the people especially in el paso, and a lot of these other shootings, they are killing on behalf of an ideology that is a littleike the i.s.i.s. ideology in some ways, and if we had a discussion, wt do we do to combat domestic terrorism, that we might be ablh e a different conversation and pass some of this things we couldn't pass any other :way. >> nawthe threat might be different that way. >> you might rearrange the polical alliances becauhe gun issue is pretty big. >> nawaz: johnston, we have the conversation again and again, usually after a mass public event. in 2012 after kindergarteners were murdered, we thought this was the moment and it wasn't. >> right, if the slaughter of 20 children in theirar eleme school wasn't enough to move the senate to move the u c.gress to pass even just background checks, it failed by six votes,
then nothing will move them. to david's point about, you know, a weeke'll be talking about it, we'll move on, but int think the mo in this case will dissipate greatly because the president just lt for vacation. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is already on vacation. he's already said the senate's thecoming back, and, so, by time they come back in september, god forbid, we're not talking about another mass shooting, but it might not be till another mass shooting thatn you get the k of energy and momentum that's needed to push such a heavy rockup the hill. >> nawaz: do you think if members of congress in the home district are getting questions about it, that could help to add tosome momentum? >> look, again, going back to neown, the national outregion over what happened wasn't enough to blunt the power of the n.r.a., so i don't kw how much a town hall is going to/orve succesown halls will be to
change th the momentum. >> the cultural issue cannot be underestimated. mayor bloomberg, it was not good for the gun urban shy thathe man spending money and becoming a spokesman was the mayor of new york city. this has to be led by republicans who say i love to shoot, guns are part of my culture but we have to change,an and until youet red state leaders to do that, it must be watougher. >> n the president obviously made a visit to the affected communities, and his team put out bass ally what ia highly produced edit individualf his visit on the gund in el paso. you're watching a clip of it right there. there was a contrast there between some of the reports we haired on the ground, some journalists, and a cell phone video that emerged after the viside it showed the pre on the ground in el paso talking about his crowd size ata rally in february and comparing it to beto o'rourke. take a quick listen to what he
said. >> that was some crowd. we had twice the number outside, and then you chave thzy beto. beto had, like, 400 people in a parking lot, his crowd was tnderful. >> nawaz: kind ofe of two narratives in the moment. you don't know which one to pay attenton to. >> well, the narrative here is consistent -- president trtep is at the c of that narrative, whether it's that highly-produced caisaign-style-like video of visit to el paso and dayton, or it's tvihat cell phono where he's talking about one of the things is part of his greatest hits, crowd size. he talked antrowd size sin the day of his inauguration, and for him that is a marker popularity. but in that moment, what i would expe the people of el paso and dayton, the people in ohio, the american people w are grieving, people who are grieving, b they want to see from a president i
they want to see someone consoling them. you knowi was in nework on 9/11, and president george w. bush wasresident of the united states, and i had lots of disagreements with the policies of president george w. bushbut when he stood on that rubble at ground zero and talked to those workers and talked to the city and talked to the is exactly what we needed to hear then. when president obama went to charleston and impromptu sang amazing grace at the eulogy for a state senator murdered with eight other people in emanuel church, in that moment he channeled th grief of a church, of a city, of a community and of a nation. we didn't get that with president trump. >> nawaz: david, how do you look at this? he's such a divisive figure.
there's the standard of the consoler in chi he's not done it yet. it's not who he. >> there's a photo from that visit where he's with the orphab aby and two family members and melania is holding the child and he has a grin and the thumb up. when i looked at the photo, the democrats are having a debate, is he a racist or a white supremacist? i look and think he's a sociopath, he's incapable of showing empathy. how much have we seen him show empathy for anydy? it's easy to target for people of color. i see him as someone who made himself unloveable and he doesn't do the emotional range. and that's ta burden and a c for any of us. the whitetioned supremacy line there, we have been talking about that a lot in 2019 now, and, you know, lisa
desjardins was reporting earlier, too, on the ground iowa there, candidates are being asked do you think this president is a white supremacist. is that sort of a litmus test now for candidates moving forward? >> it's easy motional inflation. i thought kamala harris' answer is p itty good, which on't know, and he's certainly enabling them and speaking theua la. he uses the language of invasion when we talked immigration. i read the manifestos of the shooters in el paso and others, they believe racial mixing is a cancer and ha this deep separatism. i don't know if trump hs that but he set an atmosphere where it easy to tal about human beings as an invasion. >> nawaz: this is nothi new in america yet new of how prevalent it is. >> light right. an t it pains mesay this, but we're talking about it because
t of the united states is a racist with a white supremacisty pol agenda. he began his political careeir questing the legitimacy of the first african-american president. he sisrted campaign within the first two minutes saying that mexicans were "racist." he called for a complete and total ban on muslims entering the united states after the insan bernardino attack, d .he campaign, december 2016 he's used words on the campaign trail fromhe midterm elections and continues -- invasion, car ray vain, infestation,, animals what david was talking about. in policy and in rhetoric, he ii feedino this environment this atmosphere where people such a the shooter in el paso who we've seen in the affidavit
he's confessed to doing what he's done and confessed to targeting "xicans." these things don't happen in a vacuum. did the president order this person to do this? no. but that person heard in that rhetoric, and we've seen it from hw zealand around the world, but particularle where we are dealing with a domes terrorism problem where the primary people committing these terrorist acts are white supremacist, we're dealing with a situation here where the president of the united states is feeding into the rhetoric that's coming out of his mouth, whether it's from a podium at the white house or from podium at a campaign rally somewhere in the country. >> i hear you're talking. i basically agree. next question is how do we then do democracy for the next 16 month. there is a presumption that we're all americans together,
there's a presumption of good ll that we can hava conversation, and maybe donald trump but how do we address oursves to donaldrump supporters, many of whom are very realistic and appre ters of him for very good reasons having to do with their own lives andissolution of their own communities. it's going to be hard to have a conversa has been declared sort of really beneath contet. i'm not saying i disagree, i'm just saying it's a problem i have to deal with if we have aat national conven with this election. >> jonathan, there's a way to take politics out of this to explain why thesaskinds of i are so dangerous. obviously, they are not new, they have been aroundfor a while, they've just been mainstream to some degree because they're spoken from the highest office in the land. >> gosh, we've got a minute or so left, thanks for the question. (laughter) i think there's no way to separate politics from ts.
i think vice president biden ane tor cory booker in speeches on the same day told the story of americarom two different perspectives. b vice presideen talked about the country and it has about america has an idea, and cory booker, senator booker talked about the same thing but coming at it from thect perse of america has an idea but we have deep-seated issu that go right back to white supremacy backwoven into our founding documents and we have to talk about that, we have to address it, we have to acknowledg it, and once we do that, then we can take the steps to reconciliation. >> i'm a pluralist, we see people around oselves, like, cool, let's eat different food and meet different peop and have wide experience and concerns whether on left o right, but a lot of people are anti-pluralists, when you present something dsht, they
shrink in and become fearful. there was a piece in "the peoplec" today about being interviewed by an african-american interviewer, and some people stopped talking because it's different and they're afraid and they see it as a threat, not an adventure. we have to have a defense of pluralism and critique of anti-pleurallism and get pluralists involved south not scarth. 's the cosmic debate. >> nawaz: big questions. i'm grateful to you both for being here today. mark shields and cape canaveral: >> nawaz: young musicians in poland are reviving what they are calling the country's golden era, which was cut short by theo nazi invand second world war. 1930s dances such as the ftrot and tango are making a comeback as people of all ages flock to listen to a number of ensembles
playing songs that died alon with many of those who used to perform them. once known as the paris of the east, the polish capital warsaw is pulsating again, as special correspondent malcolm brabant ulreports for our arts andre series, "canvas." e >> reporter: in urtyard of a trendy warsaw bar, the small dancing orchestra is starting to swg, as is its leader, noam zylberberg. >> it's an interesting time. it's the beginning of pop music. it's influenced by early jazz. but at the same time, all the musicians who were working at the time were classically- trained musicians. so, it's a very classical sound on the one hand; on the other hand, it's this sound looking for itself, looking for its identity. >> reporter: family identity is at the core of this revival. zylberberg moved to warsaw four years ago after studying conducting in israel. his grandparents were polish bu
left before germans invaded. after their deaths, zylberberg became curious about their past, and this led to a fascination with the pre-war music scene in warsaw. >> we don't play so much concerts. we play for dancing. because we also care about preserving the original meaning of this music. this was music for dancing. when we play, ople enjoy, and this is the reaction that we get. it's just a lot of fun. ♪ we're honoring the musicians, the composers, the arrangers, baleleaders, all of those pe who were involved in creating this very unique scene in warsaw in the 1930s. >> reporter: many of the musicians who made warsaw such a vibrant place in the 1930s were jews. some of them escaped the holocaust. t others perished inside the warsaw ghetto or in the deathhe camps, and music died with them. the scars of war are plain to see in warsaw. the germans flattened the city before retreating from the sovi red army.
arches containing the tomb of the unknown soldier are all that rein of a fabulous palace. ( bellings ) the polish capital was stunning before the war, but the germans systematically destroyed it inwa revenge for thaw uprising in 1944. this area, warsaw old town, is anything but. it was meticulously reconstructed after the war. there's nothing left of the old jewish quarter, just a pastiche of a neighborhood street in the museum of the history of polish jews, and an original recording of a song called "abdul bey." ♪ and this is jazz band mlynarski masecki's version of "abdul bey," a crazy polish-jewish-fo palestiniarot about a
chieftain with four wives and a p(m"abdul bey" plays ) ♪ ♪ marcin masecki started learning the piano when he was three years old. he's a multi-talented classical and avant-garde musician. ♪ jan emil mlynarski tined as a drummer, but he also plays the banjo mandolin and sings. >> for us, there's a definite feeling of something that was, developiutally cut, you know. the american jazz standard is like classical music in the states. for us, it was cut by the war and then covered by 50 years of communism. so, we never had a chance to build a relationship with that epoch. and it seems to me that we're
ing this now. ♪ >> my family comes from warsaw. i heard stories about the old days. ♪ the warsaw scene was huge. it's a beautiful, verylex music. e,always wanted to be one of these guys from you know, black and white photograph. ♪ >> this is a very important part of my life. of course, i'm a traditionalist. i love to wear a tuxedo and just be in that time. ♪ >> just how important is history? history creates your identity. so, for me, it's a way of discovering our national identity. i' nationalist.o sound it's not any better than any
other, but it's something that we've been denied for quite some time as a nation. so, it's fascinatingwe had this huge thing going on that is kind of forgotten. ♪ an love this kind of music we love music from the '20s and '30s from every country, actually. but, for us, it has added value of developing our classic reference, you know, our golden era. so, it's kind of a buildinsome kind of legend almost. ♪ >> it's very enjoyable, very powerful, sensua i really, really enjoy dancing with my friends. and i like the atmosphere, and music and everything around.l. >> it's beauti it's the best thing i could do on a saturday evening, basically. they're all young, and they're basically playing music from the '40s and30s.
and that's a really nice approach to it, basically, no one would expect a young orchestra to play such music. so, it's ideal. i love it. it's really nice. >> reporter: this band is well versed in american swing, but they had to unlearn that style to give this music its unique vipolish accent, which hea features the tango. ♪ >> the polish tango is based on the argentinean tango. it is a sexy dance. it is a passionate dance, but in a more central, eastern european manner. this means it's more polite. >> reporter: despite trying to faithfully reproduce the sound of the '30s, zylberberg sayshe not turning back the clock. >> it's similar in the sense that people come tc enjoy this mud dance together with this music. on the other hand, we live in a different world. it's not going to be the same, and we don't want it the same. we just want to keep this music
alive, you know. just k>>p it alive. eporter: for the moment, they're certainly succeeding. for the pbs newshour, i'm malcolm brabant in warsaw. >> nawaz: this week, the nation's attention once again turned to gun violence and what can be done to stop it. in the last 72 hours alone, at least 69 people have been killed and 167 injured by gun2 states. and that excludes suicide, the largest factor for gths. it was the mass murders in el paso and dayton thatff this latest national moment of reflection, so we close tonight with a remembrance of the 31 people who lost their lives there. david johnson saved the lives of his wife and granddaughter in el paso. the 63-year-old pushed them to
the floor below a checkout unter before he was shot and killed. angie englisbee raised sevenow children on he the 86-year-old widow worked multiple jobto feed her family and attended mass regularly. 57-year-old elsa mendoza marquez was an elementary school teacher from juarez, mexico. her husband posted on facebook, calling marquez "the most wonderful of women." jordan anchondo died while protecting her two-month-old son. she and her husband, andre, had dropped off their five-year-old daughter at cheerleading practice. they were shopping for school supplies.-y r-old javier rodriguez was starting his sophomore year in high schoolhe. he wasoungest person to die in el paso. an avid soccer player, jier is remembered as a fun-loving teen and a good teammate. rsul and maria flores had been married for 60 y raul was scheduled to have heart surgery just a few days late the uple was at walmart buyi airbeds for relatives coming in to stay with them during the
procedure. 46-year-old ivan manzano had a five-year-old daughter and a nine-year-old son. manzano's wife told their children only that their father died in an "accident." arturo benavides was a u.s. army veteran who retired as a bus driver in 2013. he loved watching football and was like a second fathhis nieces. 63-year-old marg reckard was an "angel" to her husband of 22 years. he told k-fox-tv, "we were going to live together and die together. that was our plan."fo adernandez and sara regalado were from mexico. their daughter posted on facebook: "i don't know how long it will take for my heart to heal. their passing has left us with a oseat void." leo and maribel caad been together for about 20 years. leo's brother said the couple was "just really welcoming and friendly. everybody says that as sn as you meet them, it's like you've known them forever." xi-year-old juan velazquez,
originally from , came to el paso because he thought it was peaceful. he died after throwiself in front of his wife. gloria marquez mov to the u.s. from mexico more than two decades ago. she was a health care assistant foelderly patients. her longtime partner tried to reach her for hourtiafter the sh. 90-year-old luis juarez had been married for almost 70 years. his family told ktsm he was an amazing human being-- loving,g- calm, and arted. jorge garcia went to walmart to visit his granddaughter, who was raising money for her soccer team. according to k-fox-tv, when the gunman opened fire, ga yia shielded tng girls. maría eugenia legarreta rothel was inso to pick up her daughter from the airport, according to a juarez news outlet. the 58-year-old had planned to just stop in at walmart before meeting her daughter. 82-year-old teresa sanchez was a u.s. citizen who lived with her sister, according tom.
she was at the walmart with two family members. alexander hoffmann roth was born into postwar germany the 66-year-old often talked about the importance of studying history and warned about the danger of hate. megan betts was the ster of the gunman in the dayton massacre. a classmate remembered her as" artistic" and "polite."" she always had a smile on her face." 57-year-old derrick fudge was in the oregon district with his sop for a birthdty. he was shot as his group left a club. fudge volunteered as a bell ringer for the salvation army.ic thomas mls, who went by the nickname t.j., was a 25- year-old father of four ranging in age from two to eight. his aunt said, "everybody loved him. he was like a big kid." 36-year-old beatrice warren- curtis and 39-year-old monica brickhouse were "dear friends" and co-workers at anthem the two were described as
"selfless" and "very positive." a native of eritrea, saeed saleh moved to the u.s. a few years emo. a family spokesmanbered the 38-year-old father of three as "a humble and quiet person." nicholas cumer was iogthe masters m for cancer care at st. francis university in pennsylvania. the school's president said he was "dedicated to cari"for others." logan turner had just celebrated his 30th birthday. he earned an engineering degree from the university of toledo and recently started working as a machinist. according to his mother," everyone loved logan." 27-year-old lois oglesby was in nursing school and the mother of two, including a newborn. a friend told the "dayton daily news" she was a "wonderful, mothwonderful person. i've cried so much, orcan't cry an"
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