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the ages. the burst of genius startingin 1905, the 26-year-old patent clerk revolutionized science with a series of papers on light, gravity and relativity, culminating with s discovery that matter and energy are equal. this made him the first celebrity scientist of the 207b8g century and a cultural icon. today, einstein's image is used to market everything from disney educational toys to apple computers and fujifilms. does this commercialization@ obscure or worse demean
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after all, we're metlife. ♪[music] ♪ welcome. >> thank you. >> we are celebrating the 100th@anniversary, the sennennary of albert einstein's burst of scientific discovery. what is it exactly that we are saluting? i k you, dr. robert shulman? >> we're celebrating this incredib burst of creativity that he showed in 1905. we also are celebrating the fact that he, in essence, came from nowhere and put his stamp on 20th century physics, in this, a humble patent clerk is an achievement that is probably unparallel certainly in this
20th century. >> he becamea celebrity ientist and an icon, and he has affected the popular culture. can you tell us about that, >> he became an icon i think not until 1919 after his general theory of relativity was proven to be correct by some british astronomers and he gained worldwide fame right after that. and -- >> so the scientific legacy is really the genesis of all the re? >> is that co"rect? >>and he was@very outspoken lar on, on potical situations and social situations with the state of israel. >> what was remarkable about einstein'sscientific discovery? was it method as well as >> it was a matter of method. i mean, one thang thank's fascinating about him is at that time when he made his
discoveries, he was, as i said before, a humblepat earnt clerk. there are two legends, one was working four hours on his patent application and@fou" hours on his work that he came out with in 1905. the other theory is he he was working on it eight hours a day under the table. it's unclear, both of those of legends. but the method, one thing that we've learned from the love let$ers is that he was well aware of the literature, read all of the primary sources from contemporary and soin one@ sense he cos from nowhere and on thether nd he's someone who is wl versed in the physics of the day. >> thihis is one of the volumes you were able to produce. tell us about this. >> this is volume seven@which cors $he period from the -- of the first world war. these are his pars, so the series that we worked on is two
series, writings and correspondence. this is the --these are e writings. this is also the critical period where stops stewg or where he not only does science but also does political >> i don't see any footnotes in his original drafts of his formula. no footnotes. he had no -- he dealt in pure >> well,did he do foottes but one of the spectacular things about the 1905 per, the most famous moving bodies, ithas almost no equaons. the initial period of einstein's creativity has@a heavy fill so thetical basis so when you say it's pure thght that really rings true because it is not -- ere is no elaborate mathematical system to it or mathematical structure to it. >> he wrote a painer in 1905
and he discovered that light waves are really particles and that light waves curve. and that had an impact, did it not, on quantum physics. and it had an impact on ape lot of technology that's been invented since then. >> and his paper on relativity blew isaac newton out of the water in isaac newton's, what, 200 year acceptance of his formula with regardto weight and space and light, gravi$y? >> at really applies more to general relativity, so i mean blowing newton out of the water as the "new york times" said heaven's all askew. einstein newton. that really is for the general relativity which is papers that he d at the end of 1915,
1916. moving bodies, his specl theory of relativity establishes the equivalence of mass and@energy. isis the famous e equals mc squared equati that later is falsely claimed to make him the father of the atomic bomb. >> e stands for energy, m stands for mass. the small c is a. >> speed of light. >> a term of science. the c itself is the speed of light and you square the speed of light and then matter and matter becomes interchangeable >> energy. >> with energy. >> yes. >> and this of course is at a very sic level the secret to the atomic bb. he, of course, rejected with i@ think complely correctly rejected the idea that he had
hehad nothing to do with that p"ogram, but he did come up t with the equation and soaked in. >> that isn't quite tr, though,it? >> he could not see what the equation produced. >> he wrote a letter to roosevelt and said that uranium is susceptible to the atomic power in so many words. th could be done by others. that was suggested in a letter, correct? and that led@roosevelt to form a@committee. that committee would then assemble in the manhattan project. now as i read einstein, he's very careful to say i didn't do any of at. he didn't. he wasn't invoed in the project directly but he planted the seeds in roosevelt to get with it and get on with atomic power for military use because others were gonna do it. >> he was afraid -- >> isn't thattrue?
>> yes. >> he was afraid the germans might be able to develop a weon, but i don't think he knew exactly what kind of a weapon -- >> one thing he did not understand and he says that. he did not understand the chain reaction. chain reaction was brought into being by the four scientists who werewho? >> talking about oppenheimer, salard. is was then transferred to los alamos. >> the original four were fermie, text ellah and they form roosevelt's committee. then they participated with the manhattan project? ot on >> certainly salard did not. sk. e was considered a security so he was kept out of los alamos. ramie was heavily involved. if i could@just say one thing about what you just said, the committee that was formed after einstein wrote the letter in
august of 39 had the so-called lyman briggs committee had a very unhappy existence. the americans really only picked up on the atomic bomb research after the british and the tube alloy program in england, shortly before pearl harbor suggested the nuclear fissn was possible. at that point, the americ program really took fire. to elaborate a little bit more on what einstein said about this, this is from your book, recordable einstein. great volume, by the way. >> thank you. a lot of surprising terial in here as to an indication of the range -- asyou pointed out. was a multi-disciplinarian. he was not in the narrow boards situation that scientists are in today whe"e they bore down and wn in a relatively small area. he was able to interrelate. he was able to coect. he saw -- huh?
>> he saw the connections. >> this is what you quote him as saying. "i do not conside" myself the father of the release. my father was qui$e indirect. i did@not in fact foresee that it would be released in my lifetime. i beeve@only that it was theoretically poible. it became practical only through the accidental discovery of a chain reaction. this was not something i could have predicted." >> yeah. >> it's a chain reaction that he didn't see. but he saw the atomic power was therep. >> he saw the possibilities of that, yes, and this is why wantedto warn roosevelt. he he was afraid the germans would develop the bomb and then the united states would have no way of defending itself. >> did roosevelt have him in for dinner? >> he had him to the white house, yeahí >> he was at the white house, not on that occasion. >> with wives? >> yes. it was soon after he me in 1933 and elsa was with him. >> wasn't there an invitation
that ein sign that who? so he wouldn't go to the white house? >> yeah. >> why wouldn't he want him to go to the white hoe? einstein like a mother hen? r >> was it as simple as that? >> . >> no? >> i think it was also he's afraid of einstein's one of the things that we admire so much about him that he spoke his mine. i think flecksner was worried about that, also. >> so he's not the father of the atomic bomb? >> i think one thing that should be de clear -- >> was he the catalyst of e atomic bomb? >> he really didn't know much about nuclear physics. he didn't know much about the subatomic particles. >> he discoverer them. >> no, he discovered the at tom. he diovered the mechanics of the attom. >> and molecules. >> that's right. but i mean, that's a completely >> u mean level of discovery?
>> yes. yes. >> than what was involved than the actual proction of the >> we're not even sure that he knew in 1932 when koffroff discovered the pro ton athe he was aware of that. >> so he was a commanding geus and there's been no equal to him over the course of the entire century. that safe to say? you think he is lly appreciated for what he was? what he was? >> what he was? yes. >> do you think he's fully appreciated today? do you think if you asked students today why is einstein important they're not gonna tell you it's because of his image that i see on fuji film? >> i think many understand what he's famous for and what his physics has meant to scientists and engineers since we made his
discovery. >> are we not seeing an einstein reappraisal that is far reaching? einstein seminars around the world? a seminal figure for science and advance of our technology? from him you get some say even the computer. you get a@whole series of imputed involvements of einstein, satellites, lasers, photocopies, television, telecommunication, clear power, true? >> i think tha$ in part einstein's image has overwhelmed the person,@and it's something that i think he would be very unhappy about. >> is ere a repraisal of great significance going on worldwide about eitein's accompliments and his genius? >> ce"tainly with respect to cosmology. so these kinds of things -- here? talking astrophysics
>> i'm not talking it, i'm describing it. >> you mean one pact of this on what? on the univer? >> yes. >> so i mean, less so i think that the re appraisal ofhis contributions to technology than it is that he y have been right about certain phenomenon where the mizzickists are still working on a general of everything, einstein's news are coming into new scrutin9. >> you're talking gravity, space and time? >> yes. >> is there any harm done by the marketing of einstein's image of automobiles, computers, mineral water, neckties, mugs, t-shirts, even action figures? einstein himself deplored the use of his image as a commercial endorsement. but we'll put that question to our guests. first, however, here is an es sceeth on albert einstein.
born 1879, germany. the earliest known photograph of einstein believed to have been taken in munich in the 1880s. einstein's father herman, einstein's mother pauline koch. einstein and his sister are maya about 1893. einstein at the age of 17. einstein in the classroom switzerland, his teacher. toward the end of the 19th century. einstein at the swiss patent office burned in the early 1900s. einstein and his first wife taken in 1911 when both were in their early 30s. einstein and his wife meleva and their son hans albert, 1904. einstein and max plank, the originator of the quantum theory which played a key part in the development of
einstein's theories. einstein and his secondwife einstein in middle age as institute,erlin. einstein on the cover of berlina, december 14, 1919. a new great figure in world history. einstein in winston churchill on the grounds of country home 1933. einstein on the day following his arrival at princeton institute of advanced studies, october 1933. signing the letter to franklin delano roosevelt,a reconstructed set piece photo of the 1939 warning to president roosevelt from einstein about the dangerous possibilities of others developing nuclear weapons. einstein and his wife elsa in pasadena during one of his visits to the california
institute of technology. in 1945, almost overnight, einstein became the conscience of the world. he wrote, spoke and broadcast throughout the last ten years of his life. einstein and several famous american physicists gathered in princeton, new jersey to launch an appeal for $a million to educate americans on implications of nuclear fission. portrait of albert einstein, 1879 to 1955. 76 years of age. that's a lot in those photographs that we can cue off and discuss, but before we do that, did einstein make any commercial endorsements to allow his likeness to be used for marketing purposesthat you are aware of? alice? by the way, alice, i should point out that you've done the quotable einstein? you also have a volume here of albert einstein's letters to and from children. tell us about@that a little
bit. >> well, it's a coection of letters that children had written to einstein. there are@about 50 or 60 letters on all kinds of topics. they also included the answers to some of the letters. he wasn't able to swer all of the letters. some of them are fairly trivial and requi"e no answer, but he did his best. >> you also produced the einstein almanac which goes year by year right up to 1955, is that correct? >> yes. >> and you also point out in 1955 early in the year russell approached einstein asking him to issue a joint statement declaring thata nuclear war there there would be no winners or losers, ly a permanent state of catastrophe. signed april 11 and returned it to russell. with it, he sent a short letter. you speak to that? i ask you, robert. >> well, the -- this was seven da before he died.
i think he died before the letter reached russell. this then became the touch stone for the pugwash conferences to control internationally the use of nuclear weapons. >> you mean, to put the gee back inthe bottle? >> less to put the nie back in thebottle an to control the genie. well, put it back into the bottle. >> that didn't work, did it? >> no, there are still discussions of giving up some national sovereignty. this was something that was very suspect for a lot of people, but that was the gist >> if roosevelt hadn't gotten into the act here there would be no atomic bomb. there would be no atomic bomb in the second world war. >> we now have a new book in germany which suggts that the germans not only aiseerg was working but other groups within the german high comantd were workg. so it's conceivable that that which einstein feared, the
development by the geans that a nuclear weapon might have happen. >> can you account for the extreme distaste einstein felt for his countrymen, he being german himself? hereally disliked the germs. why? >> well, he disliked them mainly because of their author therien d military mentality, especially when he was growing up as a child dung the time of business park and keyser wilhelm ii. and he was such an independent minded and free-spirited boy that he he found such authority oppressing to him. >> have they despite the afact this einstein disliked the germans for the reasons have theyembraced them? i went to berlin and the streets that the book indicas that he was -- that he lived on is not accura.
the streets were changed. i finally found where he lived. he lived in anapartment house and that's a park outside inditing he lived there. it was not easy to get to. is he now being@hidd? >> quite the contrary. >> qui$e the contrary? >> if i@could disagree with my colleague a bit, einstein s very favorable to germany until the nas came to powerí that is to say he certainly i had writes -- >> what he writes about his school year's written in 1955 seen throughoutprism already of what the nazis have done. >> he feared the ird reich,that right? >> he not only feared it, he wrote many appeals then during the r sayi that e germans had deended to a level. >> don't you think this really goes a tt beyond atjust the third reich? >> it's the elimination what's now called the holocaust, which@ was then the genocide against the jews. >> isn't there something else
about the german psyche, the german temperame? is it because he experienced what, a@extremely@disciplined childhood? >> i mean, i really don't think -- >> d e holocaust. >> his childhood was a rather pleasan$ one. he does say of course there was@ a peculiar antisemitism inthe -- that this di't bother him i reall9 think that he's seeing that is the period of the nazi rule that completely disenchanted him. >> on the rketing of the genius einstein, he sets the stage himself for the commercialization of his image when he bequeathed his papers to the hebrew universit9 of jerusalem because the hebrew university of jerusalem now
licensing agency run s attorney robert richmond to sell the rights to the use of einstein's image. the proceeds go to the university. am i right on that? >> yes. >> now, despite the fact that einstein himself had this to say about commercial endorsements. "it is -- is it not a sad meantair commenta on the commercialitn and i must add e corruption of our time that siness firms make these offers with wan$ing to insult me? it evident i had means this corruption itis, is widespread." that makes it clear that he didn't want his name used on any products, correct? >> he did not in his lifetime. i guess he had no control. >> he wanted to give it to the university, p"obly the
ceceral thing in his life. i don't think he imagined in his wildest dreams that it would turn into a corn that cope ya of endorsements. >> do you think hebrew university in jerusalem is >> i thk they are, shall i say, capitalizingon it. i commercialized?@ >> apparently, they have the right to do it ifthey want to. >> you think they have it in the light of what einstein himself said about the corruption involved, the commercial endorsements? >> well, his will did not specify, i think that they cannot do this, and i don't think he foresaw that they an agencyto sell his image. ire >> is there any harm done by the marketing of einstein's
image? i@think that einstein is untouchable in e sense tha$ his true commit -- true acevements both in physics and in the political sphere are safe from this kindof comearblization. in a wa9, he towers so far above the commercialization that i don't ink that it -- >> is it like the branding of any corporate image that's hammered into the american psyche in this particular instance that popular culture takes over and on the image replaces the reality behi it. >> that's probably true. >> is thatdeplorable? >> in some ways it is, yeah. >> sorry. >> on the other hand it also keeps his work alive and his contribution. einstein married? >> he was married twice and ch time for 17 years. >> what happened dung those@ marriages? d he have any additional