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statement. >> senator sanders voted to give immunity to gun dealers. secretary clinton changes her opinion every year. >> we shouldn't be ripping up obamacare and starting over. >> now she's attacking me because i support universal health care. >> i think america is great. and it's up to us to make sure we make it greater. >> i believe we're going to make history one more time. >> the democratic candidate's debate live from the gilliard center in charleston, south carolina. here now, lester holt. >> good evening, and welcome to the nbc news youtube democratic candidate's debate. after all the campaigning soon americans will have their say with the first votes of the 2016 campaign just 15 days away in iowa and new hampshire not far behind. tonight will be the final opportunity to see these candidates face to face before the voting begins. our purpose here tonight is to highlight and examine the
democratic candidates. so let's get started. please welcome, secretary hillary clinton, senator bernie sanders, and governor martin o'malley. [ applause ] well, welcome to all of you. hope you're excited, we're excited. we to want thank our hosts, the congressional black caucus institute. i'm joined by my colleague andrea mitchell tonight. the rules are simplele 60 seconds for answers, 30 seconds for follow-ups or rebuttals. i know you'll all keep exactly to time, so our job should be easy here tonight. we'll have questions from the youtube community throughout the debate.
race, you've been defining your differences, especially vigorously in the last week on the campaign trail. we're here to facilitate this conversation on behalf of the voters so that they know exactly where you stand as you face off tonight. let's have a great debate. we'll begin with 45 second opening statements from each candidate, starting with secretary clinton. >> well good evening. and i want to thank the congressional black k ucus institute and d e people of charleston for hosting us here on the eve of martin luther king day tomorrow. you know, i remember well when my youth minister took me to hear dr. king. i was a teenager. and his moral clarity, the message that he conveyed that evening really stayed with me and helped to set me on a path to service. i also remember that he spent the last day of his life in memphis, fighting for dignity and higher pay for working
and that is our fight still. we have to get the e enomy working and incomes rising for everyone, including those who have been left out and left behind. we have to keep our communities and our country safe. we need a president who can do all aspects of the job. i understand that this is the hardest job in the world, i'm prepared and ready to take it on. and i hope to earn your support to be the nominee of the democratic party and the next president of the united states. [ applause ] >> thank you. senator sanders, your opening statement, sir. >> thank you. as we honor the extraordinary life of dr. martin luther king jr., it's important that we not only remember what he stood for, but that we pledge to continue his vision to transform our country.
today, what the american people understand is we have an economy that's rigged. that ordinary americans are working longer hours for lower wages. 47 million people living in poverty, and almost all of the new income and wealth going to the top 1%. and then, make a bad situation worse we have a corrupt campaign finance system where millionaires and billionaires are spending extraordinary amounts of money to buk elections. this campaign is about a political revolution to not only elect the president, but to transform this country. >> senator, thank you. [ applause ] and governor o'malley, your opening statement, sir. >> thank you, my name is martin o'malley, i was born the year dr. king delivered his speech. and i want to thank the people of south carolina, not only for hosting our debate here tonight, but also for what you taughthtll
tragic shootinat mother emanuel church. you taught us in fact in keeping with the speech that love would have the final word when you took down the confederate flag from your state house. let go of the past and move forward. eight years ago, you brought forward a new leader in barack obama to save our country from the second great depression. and that's what he's done. our country's doing better, we're creating jobs again. but in order to make good on the promise of equal opportunity, and equal justice under the law and we have urgent work to do that we've heard coming off of the republican presidential podiums are pretty loud. we need new leadership. we need to come together as a people and build on the good things that president obama has done. that's why i'm running for president. i need your help. i ask for your vote, and i look forward to moving our country forward once again. thank you. >> governor, thank you. [ applause ] >> the first question, the first question i'll be addressing to
obama came to office determined to swing for the fences on health care reform. voters want to know how you would define your presidency. how would you think big? so complete this sentence. in my first 100 days in office, my top three priorities will be, fill in the blank. senator sanders. >> that's what the campaign is about. it is thinking big. it is understanding that in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, we should have health care for every man, woman, and child, as a right that we should raise the minimum wage to at least $15 an hour. that we have got to create millions of decent paying jobs by rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. so what my first days are about is bringing america together. to end the decline of the middle class, to tell the wealthiest people in this country that yes, they are going to start paying
that we are going totoave a government that works s r all of us and not just big campaign contributors. >> secretary clinton, same question, my first 100 days in office, my thought for these priorities would be. >> i would work quickly to present to the congress my plans for creating more good jobs and manufacturing, infrastructure, clean and renewable energy, raising the minimum wage, and guaranteeing, finally, equal pay for women's work. i would also -- [ applause ] -- i would also be presenting my plans to build on the affordable care act and to improve it by decreasing the out of pocket cost by putting a cap on prescription drug costs, by looking for ways that we can put the prescription drug business and the health insurance company business on a more stable platform that doesn't take too much money out of the pockets of
and third, i would be working in every way that i knew to bring our country together. we do have too much division, too much mean-spiritedness. there's a lot we have to do on immigration reform, on voting rights, on campaign finance reform, but we need to do it together. that's how we'll have the kind of country for the 21st century that we know will guarantee our children and grandchildren the kind of future they deserve. [ applause ] >> governor o'malley, same question. >> thank you. first of all, i would lay out an agenda to make wages go up again for all americans, rather than pown. equal pay for equal work. making it easier rather than harder for people to join labor unions. getting 11 million of our neighbors out of the underground shadow economy by passing comprehensive immigration reform. raising the minimum wage top $15 an hour, however we can, wherever we can. secondly, i believe the greatest business opportunity to come to the united states of america in
and i put forward a plan to move us to a 100% clean electric energy grid by 2050 and create 5 million jobs along the way. [ applause ] >> thank you -- >> i'm sorry, that was second lester, and third and finally, we need a new agenda for american cities. we have not had a new agenda for america city since jimmy carter. we need a new agenda for america cities that'll invest in the talents and skills in our people, invest in transportation, infrastructure, and transit options. and make our cities the leading edge in this move to a redesigned, built, clean green energy future that'll employ our people. >> all right governor, thank you. you've all laid out large visions and we're going to cover that. last couple of weeks of this campaign have featured some of the sharpest exchanges in the race. let's start with one of them. the issue of guns. senator sanders, last week
the gun lobby. right before the debate, you changed your position on immunity for lawsuits for gun manufacturers. can you tell us why? >> well, i think secretary clinton knows what she says is disingenuous. i have a d-minus voting record from the nra. you was in 1988, there were three candidates running for congress in the state of vermont. i stood up to the gun lobby, and came out and m mntained the position that in this country, we should not be selling military-style assault weapons. i have supported, from day one, at instant background check to make certain that people who should not have guns do not have guns. and that includes people with criminal backgrounds, people who are mentally unstable. i support what president obama is doing in terms of trying to close the gun show loopholes, and i think it should be a
we have seen in this city a horrendous tragedy of a crazed person praying with people and coming out and shooting nine people. this should not be a political issue. what we should be doing is working together, and by the way, if the senator from a rural state that has virtually no gun control, i believe that i am in an excellent position to bring people together -- >> senator, you didn't answer the question that you did change your position on immunity for gun manufacturers. can you answer the question as to why. >> what i have said is that the gun manufacturers liability bill had some good provisions among other things, we prohibited ammunition that would have killed cops who had protection on. we had child safety protection on guns in that legislation, and what we also said is a small,
a gun legally to somebody, should not be held liable if somebody does something terrible with that gun. i said i would relook at it the, we are going to relook at it. and i will support stronger provisions. >> secretary clinton, would you like to respond to senator sanders. >> yes, um, look, i have made it clear, based on senator sanders own record that he has voted with the nra, with the gun lobby numerous times. voted against the brady bill five times. he voted for what we call the charleston loophole. he voted for immunity from gun makers and sellers, which the nra said was the most important piece of gun legislation in 20 years. he voted to let guns go on to amtrak, goes into national parks, he voted against doing research to figure out`how we can save lives. let's not forget what this is about. 90 people a day die from gun
that's 33,000 people a year. one of the most horrific examples, not a block from here, where we had nine people murdered. now, i am pleased to hear that senator sanders has reversed his position on immunity, and i look forward to him joining with those members of congress who have already introduced legislation. there is no other industry in america that was given the total pass that the gun makers and dealers were, and that needs to be reversed. >> all right. governor o'malley. [ applause ] you signed tough gun control measures as governor of maryland, and there are a lot of democrats in the audience here in south carolina who own guns. this conversation might be worrying many of them. they may be hearing, you want to take my guns. >> this what i would say. i've listened to secretary clinton and senator sanders go
most inconsistent record on gun safety legislation, and, and i would have to agree with both of them. they've both been inconsistent when it comes to this issue. i'm the one candidate on this stage that actually brought people together to pass comprehensive gun safety legislation. this is very personal to me being from baltimore. i will never forget one occasion visiting little boy in john's hopkins hospital, birthday haircut, age of three, when drug dealers turn that in a shooting gallery and boy's head was pierced with a bullet. it did not kill him. i remember visiting him and his mother in the hospital. and his diapers and tubes running in and out of his head. same anyone as my little boy. after the slaughter of the kids in connecticut, we be pass in our state comprehensive gun safety legislation. it did have ththban on combat assault weapons, universal background checks, and we did
hunting season. i've never met a self-respecting deer hunter that needed an ar-15 to down a deer. we've done these things. >> thank you. secretary clinton, this is a community that has suffered a lot of heart ache in the last year, of course as you mentioned, the church shootings. we won't forget the video of of walter scott being shot in the back while running from police. we understand that a jury will decide whether that police officer was justified, but it played straight to the fears of many african american men that their lives are cheap. is that perception or in your view, is it reality? >> well, sadly i is reality. and it has been heart breaking and incredibly outraging to see the constant stories of young men, like walter scott, as you said, who have been killed by police officers.
effort to address the systemic racism in our criminal justice system. and that requires a very clear agenda for retraining police officers, looking at ways to end racial profiling, finding more ways to really bring the disparities that stock our country into high h lief. one out of three african american men may well end up going to prison. that's the statistic. i want people here to think what we would be doing if it was one out of three white men. and very often the black men are arrested, convicted, and incarcerated for offenses that do not lead to the same results for white men. so we have a very serious problem that we can no longer ignore. >> and your time is up. senator sanders, my next question is for you.
have a criminal justice system which is broken. who in america are satisfied that we have more people in jail than any other c cntry on earth, including chcha? disproportionally african american and latino. who is satisfied that 51% of african american, young people are either unemployed or underemployed. who is satisfied that millions of people have police records for possessing marijuana when the ceo's of wall street companies who destroyed our economy have no police record. >>. [ applause ] . >> senator sanders -- >> we need to take -- [ applause ] -- we need to take a very hard look -- >> senator sanders -- >> investing in jobs and investigation. not in jails and incarceration. >> just over a week ago thth chairmananf the congressional
clinton, not you, he said choosing her over you was not a hard decision. in fact our polling shows she's beating you more than two to one among minority voters. how can you be the nominee if you don't ha the support? >> let me talk about polling. secretary, secretary clinton well knows, when this campaign began, she was 50 points ahead of me. we were all of 3 percentage points. guess what? in iowa, new hampshire, the race is very, very close. maybe we're ahead in new hampshire. in terms of polling, guess what, we are running ahead of secretary clinton in terms of taking on my good friend, , nald trump. beating him by 19 points in new hampshire, 13 points in the last national poll that i saw. to answer your question, when the african american community becomes my congressional record
views on the economy and criminal justice, just ask the general population has become more supportive, so will the african american community, so will the latino community, we have the momentum, we're on a path to a victory -- >> governor, i'm coming to you in a section. google searches for the words black lives matter surpassed civil rights movement here last year. black lives matter was the number one political issue. governor o'malley, you campaign in your record as governor of maryland and before that, the mayor of baltimore last year, of course baltimore wasasocked by violent unreststn the wake of the death of freddie gray. and right from the start of your campaign, you've been dogged by those who blame your tough-run crime, sob called zero-tolerance policies as mayor for contributing to that unrest. what responsibility do you bear? >> yeah, let's talk about this. when i ran for mayor in 1999 lester, it was not because the city was doing well. it was because we were burying over 300 young, poor black men
and that's why i ran. because yes, black lives matter. and we did a number of things we weren't able to make our city immune from setbacks such as freddie gray unrest and tragic death showed. but we were able to save a lot of lives doing things that actually work totomprove police and communititrelations. e truth of the matter is, we create a civilian review board. and many of these things are in the new agenda for criminal justice reform that i've put forward. we created a civilian review board, gave them their own detectives, required the reporting of discourtesy, use of excessive force, lethal force, i repealed the possession of marijuana as a crime in our state. i drove our incarcerate rate down to 20-year lows and drove violent crime down to 30-year lows and became the first governor south of the may son dixon line to repeal the death penalty. i feel a responsibility every day to find things that work. >> all right -- >> and do more. >> let's talk more about
justice system. senator sanders, a few times tonight we're going to hear from some of the most prominent voices on youtube, starting wiwi francesca ramsey who tackles racial stereotypes. >> i believe there's a huge conflict of interest when local prosecutors investigate cases of police violence within their own community. for example, last month, the officers involved in the case of 12-year-old tamir rice weren't indicted. how would your presidency ensure the incidents of police violence are investigated and prosecuted fairly? >> senator sanders. >> i'm sorry for not hearing all of that question. >> would you like me to read it back to you? >> yeah. >> prosecutors, i believe there's a huge conflict of interest when local prosecutors investigate cases of police vivience within their communities. most recently, we saw this with a non-indictment of the officers involved in the case of 12-year-old tamir rice.
prosecuted fairly? >> this is a responsibility for the u.s. justice department to get involved. whenever anybody in this country is killed while in police custody, they should automatically trigger a u.s. attorney general's investigation. [ applause ] second of all, and i speak as a mayor who worked very close lyly, a majority are honest, hard-working people trying to do a difficult job, but let us be clear. ifif police officer breaks the that officer m mt be held accountable. [ applause ] and thirdly, we have got to demilitarize our police departments so they don't look like occupy army. we've got to move toward community policing, and fourthlywe have got to make our police departments look like their diversity.
>> secretary clinton, this question is for you, tonight parts of america are on the grip of a deadly heroin epidemic, spanning race and class, hitting small towns and cities alike. it's become a major issue in this race. in a lot of places, where you've been campaigning, despite an estimated trillion dollars spent, many say the war on d dgs has failed. what would you do?o? >> well, lester, you're right. everywhere i go to campaign, i'm meeting families who are affected by the drug problem that mostly is opioids and heroin now, and lives are being lost and children are being orphaned. i've met a lot of grandparents that are taking care of grandchildren. so i have tried to come out with a comprehensive approach that number one, does tell the state that we will work with you from the federal government putting more money about a billion dollars a year, to help states
dealing with this epidemic. the policing needs to change. police officers must be equipped with the anecdote to a aaron overdose or an opioid overdose, they should be able to administrate it. so should firefighters and othehe we have to move away from treating the use of drugs a as crime and instead, move it to where it belongs, as a health issue. and we need to divert more people from the criminal justice system into drug courts, into treatment, and recovery. >> time. >> and this is the kind of approach that we should take in dealing with what is now a growing epidemic. >> senator sanders, would you like to respond? >> i agree, i agree with everything the secretary said, but let me just add this, there is a responsibility on the part of the pharmaceutical industry, and the drug companies who are producing all of these drugs and not looking at the consequence
and second of all, when we talk about addidiion being a disease, the secretary is right, what that means is we need a revolution in this country in terms of mental health treatment. people should be able to get the treatment that they need, when they need it, not two months from now, which is why i believe in universal health care with mental health a part of that. >> we're going to take a break -- >> just ten seconds.
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the goal is 50% clean energy by 2030. so, what are we waiting for? welcome back to charleston, let's turn to another area where there's been fierce disagreement, health care. you mentioned it in your 100-day priority. let's turn to andrea mitchell now to lead that question. >> thank you, lester. secretary clinton, senator sanders favors what he calls medicare for all.
proposing would tear up obamacare and replace it. secretary clinton, is it fair to say to say that bernie sanders wants to kill obamacare? >> well, andrea, i am committed to universal health care. i have worked on this for a long time, people may remember that i took on the health insurance industry back in the '90s, and i didn't quit until we got the children's health insurance and ensured 8s eight million kids. i certainly respect senator sanders intention, but when you're talking about health care, the details really matter, and therefore, we have been raising questions about the nine bills that he introduced over 20 years as to how they would work and what would be the impact on people's health care. he didn't like that, his campaign didn't like it either. and tonight, he's come out with a new health care plan, and again, we need to get into the details, but here's what i
and the united states works since harry truman to gegethe affordable health care act passed. we finally have a path to universal healththare. we have accomplished s smuch already, i do not to want see the republicans repeal it and i don't to want see us start over again with a contentious debate. i want us to defend and build on the affordable care act and improve it. >> okay. >> senator sanders. >> because what her campaign was saying, bernie sanders was saying, my entire life, he wants to end medicare and medicaid and the children's health insurance program. that is nonsense. what a medicare for all program does is finally provide in this country health care for every man, woman, and child, as a right.
roosevelt, harry truman, do you know what they believed in, they believed that health care should be available to all of our people. i'm on the committee that wrote the affordable care act. i made the affordable care act along with jim clyborn a better piece of legislation. i voted for it, but right now, what we have to deal with is the fact that 29 million people still have no health insurance. we are paying the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. getting ripped off. and here's the important point, we are spending far more for person on health care than the people of any other country. my proposal, provide health care to all people, get private insurance out of insurance, lower the cost of health care for middle class families by 5,000 bucks. that's the vision we need to take. [ [ plause ] >> if i can -- you know, i have to sayay'm not sure whether r we're talking about the plan you
talking about the plan you introduced nine times in the congress, but the fact is, we have the affordable care act. that is one of the greatest accomplishments of president obama, of the democratic party, and of our country, and we have already seen 19 million americans get insurance. we have seen the end of preexisting conditions keeping people from getting insurance. we have seen women no longer paying more for our insurance than men. and we have seen young people up to the age of 26 being able to stay on their parent's policy, now there are things we can do to improve it, but to tear it up and start over again, pushing our country back into that kind of a contentious debate, i think is the wrong direction. >> it is. >> i have to talk about something that's actually working in our state. >> no one is tearing this up. we're going to go forward.
million still have no health insurance that even more are underinsured with huge copayments and deductibles. tell me why we are spending over three times more than the british who guarantee health care to all of their people? 50% more than the french. more than the canadians. the vision from fdr and harry truman was health care for all people as a right in a cost-effective way. we're not going to tear up the affordable care act. i helped write it, but we are going to move on top of that to a system for all. >> andrea, andrea, instead of -- andrea, i ththk instead of tacking one another r health re. we shohod be talking about the things that are actually workrkg. in our state, we have moved to an all-payer system with the affordable care act, we now have moved all our acute care hospitals that driver of cost at the center, away from service and actually to pay, we pay them based on how well they keep patients out of the hospital. how well they keep their patients.
we need to build on the affordable care act, do the things that work, and reduce costs and increase access. >> and that's exactly what we are able to do based on the foundation of the affordable care act. what governor o'malley just said is one of the models that we will be looking at to make sure we do get costs down. we do limit a lot of the unnecessary cost that we still have in the system. but, with all do respect, to start over again, with a whole new debate is something that i think would set us back. the republicans just voted last week to repeal the affordable care act, and thank goodness, president obama vetoed it and saved obamacare for the american people. [ applause ] >> senator sders, let me ask you this though, you talked medicare for all, and tonight you've released a very detailed plan just -- >> not all that detailed. >> two hours before the debate,
let me ask you about vermont. you tried in the state of vermont, and vermont walked away from this kind of idea of medicare for all single payer because they concluded it would require major tax increases and some estimates it would double the budget. >> andrea, let me just say this, ask the governor of the state of vermont why he could not do it. i'i'not the governor. i'm the senator from the state of vermont. second of f l, second of all, hehe is what the real point is, in terms of all of the issues you've raised. the good questions you've raised. what it all comes down to, do you know why we can't do what every other major country is doing? it's because we have a campaign finance system that is corrupt, we have superpacks, we have the pharmaceutical industry pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into campaign contributions and lobbying, and the private insurance companies as well.
not the rational way to go forward, it's medicare for all. it is whether we have the guts to stand up the private insurance companies and all of their money, and the pharmaceutical industry. that's what this debate should be about. [ applause ] >> well, as someone who, as someone who has a little bit of experience standing up to the health insurance industry, that spent, you know, many, many millions of dollars attacking me and probably will so again because of what i believe we can do, building on the affordable care act, i think it's important to point out that there are a lot of reasons we have the health care system we have today. i know how much money influences the political decision-making. that's why i'm for huge campaign finance reform. however, we started a system that had private health insurance. and even during the affordable care act debate, there was an opportunity to vote for what was
in other words, people could buy-in to medicare, and when the democrats were in charge of the congress, we couldn't get the votes for that. so, what i'm saying is really simple, this has been the fight of the democratic party for decades. we have the affordable care act. let's make it work. let's take the models that states are doing. we now have driven costs down to the lowest they'y' been in 50 years. now we've got to get individual costs down. that's what i'm planning to do. >> and we're going to take a turn now. secretary clinton, in his final state of the union aress, president obama said his biggest regret was his ihability to bring the country together. if president obama couldn't do it, how will you? >> great question. >> it's an important point the president made in his state of the union. and here's what i would say. ly go anywhere to meet with anyone, at any time to find common ground. that's what i did as a first lady when i worked with both democrats and republicans to get the children's health insurae
when i worked with tom delay, one of the most partisan of republicans to reform the adoption and foster care system. what i did, working in the senate, where i crossed the aisle often, working even with the senator from south carolina, lindsey graham, to get tricare for nanaonal guardsmen and women. and it's what i did as secretary of state. on numerous occasions, and most particularly, rounding up two-thirds votes in order to pass a treaty that lowered the nuclear weapons in both russia and the united states. so i know it's hard. but i also know you've got to work at it every single day. i look out here, i see a lot of my friends from the congress. and i know that they work at it every single day. because maybe you can't only find a little sliver of common ground to cooperate with someone from the other party, but who knows, if you're successful there, maybe you can build even more.
>> senator sanders response. >> a couple of years ago when we understood that veterans were not getting the quality care they needed in the timely manner manner, i worked with folks like john mccain and others to pass the most comprehensive veteran's health care legislation in modern history. but let me rephrase your questiononecause i think, in all do respect, your expreion, in all do respect, you're missing the main point. and the main point in the congress is not the republicans and democrats hate each other. that's a mythology from the media. the real issue is that congress is owned by big money and refuses to do what the american people want th to do. [ applause ] the real issue is that on, the real issue is that in area after area, raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. the american people want it. rebuilding our crumbling
million jobs, the american people want it the, pay equity for women, the american people want it, demanding that the wealthy start paying their fair share of taxes, the american people want it. >> that's time. but let me -- >> the point is, we have to make congress respond to the needs of the people, not big money. >> senator sanders, you call yourself a democratic socialist -- >> i do. >> and throughout your career in politics, you've been critical of t democratic party, there's wasn't a hell of a big difference between the the two major parties -- >> did i say that? >> how did plan on winning with labeling yourself that. >> democratic party needs major reform. to those of you in south carolina, you know what, in mississippi, we need a 50-state strategy so that people in south carolina and mississippi can get the resources that they need. instead of being dependent on
be dependent on small, individual campaign contributors. we need an agenda that speaks to the needs of working families and low-income people. not wealthy campaign contributors. >> yeah, but senator, you can -- >> we need to expand what the input into the democratic party. i am very proud that in this campaign, we have seen an enormous amount of excitement from young people, from working people. we have received more individual contributions than any candidate in the history of this country up to this point. [ applause ] >> yeah, but senator you never came to campaign for vincent when he was running for governor. in fact, neither of you came to campaign for him when he was running for governor. we can talk all we want about wanting to build a stronger democratic party, but lester, the question you answered, it's no laughing matter. the most recurring question i get when i stand on the chair all across iowa and talk with my neighbors is, how are you going to heal the divisions and the wounds in our country?
face as a people. all my life, i brought people together over deep divides and very old wounds, and that's what we need now in a new leader. we cannot keep talking past each other declaring all republicans are our enemies or the war is all about being against millionaires or billionaires it's all against american muslims, it is fred lick douglas saidid we are one, our cause is one, and weweust help each other. >> and that is right. >> secretary clinton, next question after you -- >> and i respectfully disagree with my friend over here. and that is, you are right. all of us have denounced trump attempts to divide this country, the anti-latino rhetoric, the racist rhetoric, but where i disagree with you, governor o'malley, is i do believe we have to deal with the fundamental issues of a handful of billionaires -- >> i agree with that. >> who control economic and political life of this country.
happened. unless we have a political revolution. where millions of people finally stand up. >> and we're going to get into that coming up. secretary clinton, here's a question from youtube. it's from a young video blogger who has over 5 million subscribers. he has a question about importance of younger voters. >> hi, i'm 23 and my audience is around the same age. getting my generation to vote shouou be a priority for any presidential candidate.. now i know senator sanders is pretty popular among my peers, but what i wananto know is how are all of you planning on engaging us further in this election? >> secretary clinton. >> well, thanks for the question and congratulations on five million viewers on youtube. that's quite an accomplishment. look, this election is mostly about the future and therefore it is of greatest urgency for young people. i've laid out my ideas about what we can do to make college affordable, how we can help people pay off their student
dollars, how we can create more good jobs, because a lot of the young people that i talk with are pretty disappointed about the economic prospects they feel they're facing. making community college free. making it possible to attend a public college or university with debt-free tuition. looking for ways to protect our rights. especially from m e concerted republican assault on voting rights, on women's rights, on gay rights, on civil rights, on worker's rights. and i know how much young peoplele value their independence, their autonomy and their rights. i think this is an election where we have to pull young people, and older people together, to have a strategy about how we're going to encourage even more americans to vote, because it is absolutely clear to me -- >> that's time, but secretary clinton -- >> to the republicans would be bad for everybody, especially
>> quick follow-up, 30 second follow-up, why is senator sanders beating you 2-1 among younger voters? >> i have the greatest respect for senator sanders and for his supporters, and i'm going to keep working as hard as i can to reach as many people of all ages about what i will do. what the experience anthe ideas that i have thatly lyi will bring to the white house, and i hope to have their support when i'm the democratic nominee. >> we're going to take a break. big banks, big business, and big differences among the candidates on the american economy. we'll be right back. it's big. it's fast. it's mind-boggling. it's commerce. a world filled with complexity, and chaos. a world also filled with growth, and great opportunity.
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to play by the rules if i'm president? you better believe it. i'm bernie sanders and i approve this message. welcome back from charleston, let's turn now to the economy. senator sanders, you released a tough new ad last week in which without mentioning secretary
two democratic visions for regulating wall street. quote, one says it's okay to take millions from big banks and tell them what to do. my plan, break up the big banks, close the tax loopholes and make them pay their fair share. what do you see is the difference between what you would do and what secretary clinton would do? >> well, the first difference is i don't take money from big banks. i don't get personal speaking fees from goldman sachs. what i would do -- [ applause ] what i would do is understand that when you have three out of the four largest banks today, bigger than they were when we bailed them out because they were too big to fail, when you have the six largest financial institutions having assets of # 0% of the -- 60% of the gdp of america. which is clear what you have to do. bring back the 21st century glass eagle legislation and
institutions. they have too much economic power and they have too much financial power over our entire economy. if teddy roosevelt were alive today, the old republican trust buster, what he would say is, anesthesia guys are too powerful. break them up, i believe that's what the american people to want see. that's my view. >> secretary clinton, help the voter understand the daylight between the two of you here. >> there's no daylight on the basic premise that there should be no bank too big to fail, and no individual too powerful to jail. we agree on that. but where we disagree is the comments that senator sanders has made that don't just affect me, i can take that, but he's criticized president obama for taking donations from wall street.
recession. senator sanders called him weak, disappointing, he ian in 2011 publicly sought someone to run in a primary against president obama. now, i personally believe that president obama's work to push through the dodd frank, the dodd frank bill and then to sign it was one of the most important regulatory schemes we've had since the 1930s. so i'm going to defend dodd frank, and i'm going to defend president obama for taking on wall street, taking on the financial industry, and getting results. >> senator sanders, your response. >> let the record right, in 2006 when i ran for the senate, senator barack obama was kind enough to campaign for me. 2008, i did my best to see that he was elected, and in 2012, i worked as hard as i could go see that he was reelected.
worked together, we have differences of opinion. but here is the issue, secretary touched on it, can you really reform wall street? when they are spending millions and millions of dollars on campaign contributions. and when they are providing speaker fees to individuals. sop it's easy to say, well i'm going to do this and do that, but i have doubts when people receive huge amounts of money from wall street. i am very proud, i do not have a superpack. i do not want wall street's money. i'll rely on the middle class and working family -- >> that's time. >> i have a question for you -- [ applause ] >> you know, i think since, since senator standers followed up on this response. your profusion of comments about your feelings towards president obama are a little strange given
but look, i have a plan that most commentators have said is tougher, more effective whereby and more comprehensive. >> that's not true. >> it builds on the dodd frank -- >> yes, it is. >> it builds on the dodd frank, regulatory scheme, but it goes much further -- >> oh, come on. >> abuse both the governor and the senator have focussed only on the big bankst. lehman brothers, aig, the shadow banking sector were as big a problem of the great recession, i go after them and i can tell you that the hedge fund billionaires who are running ads against me right now, and carl rove who started running an ad against me right now, funded by money from the financial services sector, sure thing, i'm the one they don't want -- >> governor o'malley. >> yeah, thank you. [ applause ] >> yeah, lester, what secretary clinton just said is actually not true. [ applause ] i have put forward a plan that
the beat of wall street. i have put forward a plan that was harolded as very comprehensive and realistic. look, if a bank robber robs a bank and all you do is slap him on the wrist, he's going to rob again. the same thing is true with people in suits. secretary clinton, i have a tremendous amount of respect for you, but for you to say there's no daylight on this between the three of us is not true. i support reinstituting a modern version of glass steel that would include going after the shadow banks, requiring capital requirements that would force them to no longer put us on the hook for these sorts of things, and prior debates i've heard you even bring up, now you bring up president obama here in south carolina in defense of the fact of your cozy relationship with wall street. in an earlier debate, i heard you bring up even the 9/11 victims to defend it. the truth of the matter is, secretary clinton, you do not go as far as ranging in wall street as i would. and the fact of the matter is, the people of america deserve to
side, protecting the mainstream economy from excesses on wall street and -- >> secretary clinton, 30 second response. [ applause ] >> well, first of all, first of all, paul, barney frank, others have all endorsed my plan. secondly, we have dodd frank. it gives us the authority already to break up big banks that pose -- >> we never used it. >> that pose a risk to the financial sector. i want to go further and add to that, and you know, governor, you have raised money on wall street. you raised a lot of money on wall street when you were the head of the democratic governor's association -- >> yeah, but i haven't gotten a penny this year, somebody please, go on to martino'malley.com, go on, send me your checks. they're not giving me -- zero. >> yeah, well, the point is that if we're going to be serious about this and not just try to score political points, we
frank, and what's in dodd frank already gives the president the authority to regulators or it make decisions. >> let me give you an idea of how corrupt this system is. goldman sachs recently fined $5 billion. goldman sachs has given this country two secretaries of treasury, one on the republicans, one under democrats. >> say it. >> the leader of goldman sachs is a billionaire who comes to congress and tells us we should cut social security, medicare, and medicaid. secretary clinton, and you're not the only one. i don't mean to just point the finger at you, you've received over $600,000 in speaking fees from goldman sachs in one year. i find it very strange that a major financial institution that pays $5 billion in fines for breaking the law, not one of
while kids who smoke marijuana get a jail time. >> andrea. >> well, the last point on this is, senator sanders, you're the only one on this stage that voted to deregulate the financial market in 2000, to take the cops off the street to use governor o'malley's phrase, to make the fcc and the commodities future's trading commission no longer able to regulate swaps and derivatives which were one of the main cause of the collapse in '08. so there's plenty, there's plenty of problems that we all have to face together, and the final thing i would say. we're at least having a vigorous debate about reigning in wall street. the republicans want to give them more power and repeal dodd frank. that's what we need to stop.
my record -- anyone who wants to check my record and taking on wall street and fighting against the deregulation of wall street and wall street put billions of dollars into lobbying and contribution to to get the government off their backs. they got the government off their backs turns out they were crooks and they destroyed our economy. i think it's time to put the government back on their backs. >> senator sanders. senator sanders, we've talked a lot about things you want to do. you want free education for everyone, you want the federal minimum wage raised to $15 an hour, you want to expand social security benefits, you've been specific about what you want, let's talk about how to pay for all of this. you've now said that you would raise taxes today, two hours or so ago, you said you would raise taxes to pay for your health care plan. you haven't been specific about how to pay for the other things. tell us tonight. >> sure.
infrastructure, create 13 million jobs. we do that by doing away with the absurd loophole that now allows major profitable corporations to flash their money in the kayman islands and not in some years pay a nickel in taxes. yes, i do. i plead guilty. i want every kid in this country who has the ability to be able to go to a public college or university tuition-free, and by the way, i want a substantially lower student debt interest rates in this country as well. how do i pay for it? [ applause ] i pay for it for attacks on wall street speculation. this country and the middle class bailed out wall street, now it is wall street's time to helm the middle class. in fact, we have documented, unlike secretary clinton, i have dwomtd kpabtly how i would pay for our ambitious agenda -- >> secretary clinton, do you want to respond?
documented every way that i'm going to pay for what i'm doing. because i think the american public deserves to know. and you can go to my website and actually see that. but there are serious questions about how we're going to pay for what we want to see our country do. and i'm the only candidate, standing here tonight who has said, i will not raise taxes on the middle class. i want to raise incomes, not taxes. and i'm going to do everything i can to make sure that the wealthy pay for debt-free tuition, for child care, for paid family leave to help us bring down student debt, we're going to refinance that student debt, saving kids thousands of dollars, yeah, and that will also come out of some of the pockets of people in the financial area. but i will tell you exactly how i pay for everything i propose.
>> yeah. >> because the most google political issue in the last month was taxes. now in your health care plan, the plan you released tonight, you would not only raise taxes on the wealthy, the details would indicate you would raise takes on the middle class also. is that correct? >> what is correct, and i'm disappointed that secretary clinton's campaign has made this criticism. it's a republican criticism. secretary clinton does know a lot about health care. and she understands, i believe, that a medicare for all single payer program would substantially lower the cost of health care for middle class families so what we have got to acknowledge about the secretary does is we are doing away with private health insurance premiums. so instead of paying $10,000 to blue cross or blue shield, yes, some middle class families would be paying slightly more in taxes, but the result would be
would be saving some $5,000 in health care costs. little bit more in taxes, do away with private health insurance premiums, it's a good deal. >> senator, senator, let me just follow occupy on that. on meet the press, you sald you would only raise taxes on the middle class to pay for family leave. and having said that, now you say you're going to raise middle class taxes to pay for health care as well. is that breaking your word? >> no, it is not breaking my word. when you are -- it's one thing to say i'm raising taxes, it's another thing that we are doing away with private health insurance premiums. if i save you $10,000 in private health insurance, and you pay a little bit more in taxes in total, there are huge savings in what your family is spending. >> senator, i'm the only person on this stage that's actually balanced a budget every year for 15 years. >> i was mayor for eight years, i did that for eight years as well.
i actually did it during a budget -- during a recession. and andrea, i had to make more cuts than any governor in the history of maryland, we invested more in transportation, we made our public schools more in america more than five years in a row and four years in a row without a penny's increase to college tuition. the things we need to do in our country, like debt-free college in the next five years. like making, making national service a universal option in order to cut youth unemployment in half in fact next three years, all these things can be done if we eliminate one entitlement we can no longer afford as a nation. and that is the superwealthy among us, those making more than a million dollars feel they are entitled to paying a lower marginal tax rate, and if we tax earnings from investments on money, namely capital gains at the same rate as we tax sweat and hard work, we can make the investments we need to make our country better. >> we have a lot to ground to
many democratic voters are passionate about the need to do something to combat the threat of climate change, including the team of scientists from youtube's minute earth channel. here's their take. >> hello from minute earth. fossil fuels kept our cars moving and light bulbs lit. we know that burning the fuels releases heat-trapping gases that are warming the planet causing seas to rise and contributing to the devastating flooding last year. fighting human cause climate change means giving up the addiction to fossil fuels and taking the bulk energy supply to alternative sources. some countries have acted to make this transition, here at home, we get a whooping 82% from coal, oil, and natural gas. in the u.s., political gridlock, pressure from industry lobbyists and insufficient rnd made an already tough battle against climate change even tougher. >> senator sanders, americans love their suvs, which spiked in sales last year as gas prices plummeted.
that the problem of climate change is so urgent that they need to change their behavior? >> i think we already are. younger generation understands it instinctively. i was home in burlington, vermont, on christmas eve, the temperature was 65 degrees. people in vermont know what's going on. people who did ice fishing where their ice is no longer there on the lake understand what's going on. i'm on both the environmental and the energy committees. the debate is over. claimant change is real. it is already causing major problems. and if we do not act boldly and decisively, a bad situation will become worse. it is amazing to me, and i think we'll have agreement on this up here, that we have a major party called the republican party that is so owned by the fossil fuel industry, and their campaign contributions that they don't even have the courage, the decency to listen to the scientists. it is beyond my comprehension
the united states, somebody like trump who believes that climate change is a hoax, invented by the chinese. [ laughter ] bottom line is we need to be bold, decisive, create millions of jobs. we must for the sake of our kids and grandchildren, transform our energy system away from fossil fuel to energy efficiency. and sustainable energy, i've got the most comprehensive legislation in the senate to do that. and as president,ly fight to >> governor o'malley, 30 seconds. >> thank you. lester, on this stage tonight, this democratic stage, where we actually believe in science, i would like to challenge, and invite my colleagues here on this stage to join me in putting forward a plan to move us to a 100% clean, electric energy grid by 2050. it can be done. with solar, with wind, with new technologies, with green
this can happen, but president obama made us more energy independent, but in all of the above strategy didn't land us on the moon, we need american ingenuity and we need to reach by 2050 for the sake of our kids. >> that's time. we're going to take a break. when we return, the late-breaking developments regarding iran. the threat of isis now more real than ever on u.s. soil, americans in fear, and hearing
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increases benefits and cost of living adjustments and raises minimum payments for low-income seniors. it will ensure that all seniors can retire with dignity and respect. i'm bernie sanders, and i approve this message. charleston, andrea mitchell has questions now for the candidates starting with iran. >> thank you, lester. senator sanders, nuclear deal is now enforced iran is getting it's billions of
dollars, several americans who have been held are now going to be heading home. the president said today, it's a good day.
time now to restore diplomatic relations since 1979 and reopen a u.s. embassy in teheran. >> i think what we have got to do is move as aggressively as we can to normalize relations with iran, understanding, that iran's behavior in so many ways is something that we disagree with. their support for terrorism, the anti-american rhetoric we're hearing from some of their leadership is something that is not acceptable. on the other hand, the fact that we've managed to reach and agreement, something that i very strongly supported that prevents iran from getting a nuclear weapon and that we did that without going to war, and
that i i believe wewee seeing a thor in our relationships with iran is a very positive step. so if your question is do i want to see that relationship become more positive in the future?
could i tell you that we should open and embassy in teheran tomorrow, no, i don't think we should. i think the goal has to be, to move in warm relations with a very powerful and important country in
this world. >> your response, secretary clinton. >> well, i'm very proud of the iran nuclear agreement. i was very pleased to be part of what the president put into action when he took office. i was responsible for getting those sanctions imposed, which put the pressure on iran that brought them to the negotiating table, which resulted in this agreement. and so, they have been, so far, following their requirements under the agreement, but i think we still have to carefully watch them. we've had one good day over 36 years, and i think we need more good days before we move more rapidly toward any kind of normalization, and we have to be sure that they are truly going
then we have to go after them on a lot of their other bad behavior in the region, which is causing enormous problems in syria, yemen, iraq, and elsewhere. >> you mentioned syria, let me ask you about syria, all of you, let's turn to syria, the civil war that's been raging there. are there any circumstances in which you could see deploying significant numbers of ground forces in syria, not just special operators, but significant ground forces to combat isis in a direct combat role. let me start with you secretary clinton. >> absolutely not. after i three-point plan that does not include american ground forces. it includes the united states leading an air coalition, which is what we are doing, supporting fighters on the ground, the iraqi army, which is beginning to show more ability, the sunni fighters that we are now helping to reconstitute and kurdish fighters on both sides of the border. i think we also have to try to
foreign fighters and foreign money, and we do have to contest them in online space. i'm very committed to both going after isis, but also supporting what secretary kerry is doing to try to move on a political, diplomatic course to try to begin to slow down and hopefully end the carnage in syria, which is the root of so many of the problems that we see in the renal and beyond. >> senator sanders. ground forces, yes or no? >> as everybody here knows, this is an incredibly complicated and difficult issue. and i applaud, i know president obama's been getting a the love criticism on this. i think he is doing the right thing. what the nightmare is, which many of my republican colleagues appear to want is to not have learned the lesson of iraq. to get american young men and
warfare in the quagmire of syria and the middle east would be an unmitigated disaster that as presidentially do everything in my power to avoid. >> andrea. >> we should learn, we should learn from king abdullah of jordananone of the few heroes in a very unheroic place. and what abdullah said is this is a war with a soleul of islam, and that muslim troops should be on the ground with our support and the support of other major countries. that is how we destroy isis, not with american troops in perpetual warfare. >> governor o'malley. >> thank you. andrea, governors led uses to victory in two world wars by doing what america does best, and that is by joining forces with others by acting in coalition. and i believe that president obama is doing the right thing in this case. we need to learn the lessons
we need to provide the special, special ops advisors, we need to provide the technical support, but over the long-term, we need to develop new alliances. we need a much more proactive national security strategy that reduces these threats before they rise to a level where it feels like we need to pull for a division of marines. and i also want to a a one other thing here, i appreciate the fact that in our debate, we don't use the term you hear republicans throwing around trying to look all macho sending other kids into combat, they keep using the term, boots on the ground. a woman in burlington, iowa, said to me, when you're with your colleagues, don't refer to my son who served two tours of duty in iraq as a pair of boots on the ground. now, we need to be mindful of learning the lessons of the past. [ applause ] . >> i have a question for senator sanders. did the policies of the obama administration in which secretary clinton of course with the part create a vacuum in iraq
>> no. i think the vacuum was created by the disastrous war in iraq, which i vigorously oppose, not only against it, but helped lead the opposition. and what happened there is yeah, it's ease eyewitness to get rid of a two-bit dictator like sue dam hussein, but there wasn't the kind of thought as to what happens the day after you get him m d what kind of political vacuum occurs, and who rises up. grgrps like isis. so i think that president obama made a promise to the american people when he ran. and he said you know what, i'm going to do my best to bring american troops home. and i supported what he did. our job is to train and provide military support for muslim countries in the area who are prepared to take on isis. and one point i want to make here that is not made often, you have incredibly wealthy
countries like saudi arabia, countries like qatar, the largest, wealthiest country per capita in the world. they have got to start putting in some skin in the game, and not just ask the united states to do it. [ applause ] >> secretary clinton. >> i want to talk to you about red lines, because former defense secretary chuck hagel said in a recent interview that president obama's decision to stand down on planned missile strikes against damascus after assad had used chemical weapons hurt the president's credibility. shouldldhe president have ststk to his red line once he drew it? >> look, i think that the president's decision to go after the chemical weapons once there was a potential opportunity to builon when the russians opened that door, resulted in a very positive outcome.
weapons out. i know from my own experience as secretary of state that we were deeply worried about assad's forces using chemical weapons because it would have had not only a horrific affect on people in syria, but it could very well have affected the surrounding states, jordan, israel, lebanon, turkey. so getting those chemical weapons out was a big -- >> but should he have stuck to his line? did it hurt u.s. credibility? >> i think as commander and chief, you've got to constantly be evaluating the decisions you have to make. i know a little bit about this, having spent many hours in the situation room, advising president obama. and i want to just add to something that senator sanders said, the united states had a very big interest in trying to help stabilize the region.
spread around, it starts with the prime minister of iraq who sectarianized his military, setting shia against sunni. it is amplified by assad who has waged one of the bloodiest, most terrible attacks on his own people. 250,000-plus dead, millions fleeing. causing this vacuum that has been filled, unfortunately, by terrorist groups including isis. so i think we are in the midst of great turmoil in this region. we have a proxy conflict going on between saudi arabia and iran. you know, one of the criticisms i've had of senator sanders is his suggestion that, you know, iranian troops be used to try to end the war in syria -- >> your time is up. >> let me just -- >> which i don't think would be a good idea. >> overall, a lot of the forces at work in the region are ones that we cannot directly
>> you're out of time. [ overlapping talkers ] >> i agree with most of what she said. but where i think we have an honest disagreement, is that in the incredible quagmire of syria, where it's hard to know who's fighting who, and if you give arms to this guy, it may end up in isis's hand the next day. we all know the secretary is absolutely right, assad is a butcher of his own people, man using chemical weapons against his own people. this is beyond disgusting. but i think in terms of our priorities in the region, our first priority must be the destruction of isis. our second priority must be getting rid of assad who some political settlement, working with iran, working with russia, but the immediate task is to
want to destroy isis, including russia, including iran, including our muslim allies to make that the major priority. >> but in all of that senator leaving out something very important here. and that is that we still don't have the human intelligence, overt in terms of diplomatic intelligence or covert to understand even what the heck happens as the secondary and tertiary effects of some of these things. we are walking through the renal, andrea, without the human intelligence that we need and we need to make a renewed investment as a country in bringing up a new generation of foreign service officers, and bringing up a new generation of business people, and actually understanding and having relationships in these places. so we have a better sense of what the heck happens after a dictator top ms and can take action to prevent another safe haven and another it ration of terror. >> your titi is us. lester. >> senator sanders mentioned
secretary clinton, you famously handed russia's foreign minister a reset button in 2009. since thenenrussia an exed crimea, a war in ukraine, provided weapons that downed an airliner and supported assad in syria. as president, would you hand vladimir putin a reset button? >> it would depend on what i got for it. it would depend the first term, we got a new start treaty to reduce nuclear weapons between the united states and russia. we got permission to resupply our troops in afghanistan by traveling across russia. we got russia to sign on to our sanctions against iran, and other very important commitments. so look, in diplomacy, you are always trying to see how you can figure out the interest of the other to see if there isn't some
security and your values. when putin came back in the fall of 2011, it was very clear he came back with a mission. and i began speaking out as soon that happened because there wewe some fraudulent elections held, and russians poured out into the streets to demand their freedom, and he cracked down. and in fact, accused me of foemting it. so we now know that he has a mixed record to say the least, and we have to figure out how to deal with him. >> what's your relationship with him? >> well my relationship with him, it's -- it's, it's interesting. [ laughter ] it's one i think of respect. we've had some very tough dealings with one another. and i know that he's someone that you have to continuingly stand up to because like many bullies, he is somebody who will
unless you do. and we need to get the europeans to be more willing to stand up, i was pleased they put sanctions on after crimea and eastern ukraine and the downing of the airliner, but we got to be more united in preventing putin froro taking a more aggressive stance in europe and the middle east. >> we to w wt turn right now to the issue of balancing national security concerns with the privacy rights of ans. that brings us to youtube and this question. >> hi, i've been making youtube gadgets for the past seven years. i think america's future success is tied to getting all kinds of tech right. tech companies are responsible for the encryption technology to protect personal data, but the g. wants a back door into that information. so do you think it's possible to find common ground and where do you stand on privacy versus security. >> governor o'malley. >> thank you. i believe whether it's a back door or front door that the american principle of law should still hold that our federal government should have to get a warrant.
through the back door or your front door. [ applause ] and i also agree, lester, with benjamin franklin said that said no el nino should give up freedoms for security. we're a collaborative people. we need collaborative leadership here with silicon valley and other bright peoeoe in my own state of maryland and around nsa that can figure this out, but there are certain immutablbl principles that wiwi not become antique thinin in our country so long as we defend our country and it's values and it's freedoms. and one of those things is our right to be secure in our homes, and our right to expect that our federal government should have to get a warrant. i also want to the say that while we've made some progress on the patriotic act, i do beeve we need an adversarial court system there, public advocate, develop a body of law that protects the privacy of americans in the information and digital age. >> that's time. you have all talked about what
there, but we've been hit in this country by home grown terrorists, from chattanooga to san bernardino, the recent shooting of a police officer in philadelphia, how are you going to fight the lone wolves here? >> yeah, lester, you're in and you're out. senator -- >> that was to senator sanders. i wasn't clear, i apologize. >> okay. i just wanted to add in the previous question, i voted against the usa patriot act for many of the reasons that governor o'malley mentioned.d. but it is not onon the government that we have to worry about, it is prooeft corporations. you would l be amazed or maybe not about the amount of information, private companies and the government has in terms of the websites that you access, the products that you buy, where you are this very moment, and it is very clear to me that public policy has not caught up with the explosion of technology. so yes, we have to work with
we do not allow isis to transmit -- >> but in terms of lone wolves, the threat -- >> what we have got to do there is among other things, asives i was just saying, have silicon valley help us to make sure that information transmitted through the internet and other ways by isis is in fact discovered, but i do believe we can do that without violating the constitutional and privacy rights of the american people. >> we have to go -- we have to go to a break, and when we come back, we're going to g g to some
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there are two democratic visions for regulating wall street. one says it's okay to take millions from big banks and then tell them what to do. my plan -- break up the big banks, close the tax loopholes, and make them pay their fair share. then we can expand health care to all, and provide universal llege education. will they like me? no. will they begin to play by the rules if i'm president? you better believe it. i'm bernie sanders and i approve this message. and welcome back to charleston as we were going to a break, secretary clinton, i cut you off. i'll give you 30 seconds to respond on the issue of lone
>> can i get 30 seconds too? [ applause ] >> secretary clinton. well, i wanted to say, and i'll do it quickly, i was very pleased that leaders of president obama's administration went out to silicon valley last week and began exactly this conversaon about what we can do, consistent with privacy and security. we need better intelligence cooperation, we need to be sure that they were getting the best intelligence that we can from friends and allies around the world. and then, we've got to recognize our first line of defense against lone wolf attacks a among muslim americans. and it is not only shameful, it is dangerous for the kinds of comments you're hearing from the republican side. we need to be reaching out and unifying our country against terrorist attacks and lone wolves, and working with muslim americans. >> andrea has a follow-up.
seconds? >> you said that the leaders from the intntligence community went to silicon valley, they were flatly turned down. they got nowhere. >> that is not what i've heard. let me leave it at that. >> i need to talk about homeland security and preparedness. ever sinceceeptember 11th, 30 seconds, ever since the attacks of september 11th, my colleagues democratic and republican mayors, made me their leader on homeland security and preparedness. here in the homeland, unlike combatting isil abroad, it's like your body's immune system, it's able to protect your body against bad bugs, notlessly because of numbers, it's better connected, the fusion centers, the biosurveillance systems, better prepared first responders, but there's another front in this battle, and it is this. that's the political front, and if donald trump wants to start a registry in our country of people by baked, he can start with me, and i will sign up as one who is totally opposed to his fascist appeals that wants
that can do more damage to our democracy than anything. >> that's time, and we do have o to move on. secretary clinton, this is the first time -- >> can i gate brief response. >> 30 seconds, senator. >> one, and i agree with what the secretary said and what governor o'malley said. but here's an issue that we also should talk about. we have a $600 billion military budget. it is a budget larger than the next eight countries. unfortunately, much of that budget continues to fight the old cold war with the soviet union. very little of that budget, less than 10% actually goes into fighting isis and international terrorism. we need to be thinking hard about making fundamental changes in the priorities of the defense
this is the first that is of elected said president clinton would advise you economic or a real policy rolol >> well, it'll start at the kitchen table, we'll see how it goes from there. and i -- [ applause ] i'm going have the very best advisors that i can possibly have, and when it comes to the economy, and what was accomplished under my
husband's leadership and the '90s, especially when it came to raising incomes for everybody, and lifting more people out of poverty than any time in recent history, you bet, i'm going to ask for his ideas, i'm going ask for his advise and i'm going use them as goodwill emissary to go around the country to find the best ideas we've got. because i do believe as he said,
america has been solved somewhere in america. we just have to do more of it, and we have to reach out, especially into poor communities, and communities of color to give more people their own chance to get ahead. >> senator sanders, 30 second response, sir. >> great ideas, governor o'malley, secretary christian ton, but here's the truth, if you have an administration stacked with wall street appointees, it ain't going to accomplish very much. here's a promise that i make, and i mentioned a moment ago how corrupt the system is, goldman sachs paying a $5 billion fine, gives this country, in recent history, a republican secretary of treasury, a democratic secretary of treasury. here's a promise, if elected president, goldman sachs is not going to have, bring forth a secretary of treasury for a sanders administration.
>> senator sanders, let me ask you a question, you called bill clinton's past transgressions, quote, totally, totally, totally disgraraful, and unacceptable. senator, do you regret saying that? >> i was asked a question -- you knkn one of the thins, a area, and d at question, annoys me. i cannot walk down the street, secretary clinton knows that, without being told how much i have to attack secretary clinton. to want get me on the front page of the paper, i make a vicious attack. trying to run an issue-oriented campaign. [ applause ] i was asked a question -- >> you didn't have to answer it that way though, why did you? >> then if i don't, there's another front page. yes, and i mean this seriously, we've been through this. deplorable, have a said a word? no, i have not.
right after this.the democratic presidential candidates gather in south carolina tonight for their fourth debate - and last showdown before the iowa caucuses and new hampshire primary good evening, i'm robert lowe we'll bring you that story tonight at 10, plus, republican presidential candidate and new jersey governor chris christie
there are two democratic visions for regulating wall street. one says it's okay to take millions from big banks and then tell them what to do. my plan -- break up the big banks, close the tax loopholes, and make them pay their fair share. then we can expand health care to all, and provide universal college education. will they like me? no. will they begin to play by the rules if i'm president? you better believe it.
welcome back, everybody. finally before we go tonight, we sat out here to understand points and differences between you. we believe we've learned a lot here. before we leave, is there anything you wanted to say tonight that you haven't gotten a chance to say. and we'll start wi governor o'malley. [ applause ] [ laughter ]
you. >> we're going to have to get 20 minutes to do it. look, i believe there are many issues, 60 seconds for this. >> 60 second. we'd appreciate it. >> there are so many issues that we haven't been able to discuss here. we have not fully discussed immigration reform, and the deplorable number of detention kakabs that our nation's now maintaining. we haven't discussed t t shameful treatment that the people of puerto r ro, our fellow americans who are being treated with by these hedge funds that are working them over. we haven't discussed the fact that in our n hemisphere, we have the danger of state failures because of drug traffickers and honduras and kwaut ma la and el valve dor, i guess the bottom line is this, look, we are a great people when we act at home and abroad. based on the beliefs that unite us. belief in the dignity of every person, our belief in our own common good, there is no challenge that is too great for us to overcome. provided we bring forward in these divided times, new leadership that can heal our divides at home and bring our prince.
we're on the threshold of a new era of american progress, and i believe we have only need to join forces together and cross that threshold into a new era of american prosperity. >> and that's time. >> thanks a lot. [ applause ] >> secretary clinton. >> lester, i spent a lot of time last week being outraged by what's happening in flint, michigan, and i i think every single american should be outraged. we've had a city in the united states of america where the population, which is poor in many ways, and majority african american has been drinking and bathing in lead-con tan natoed water. and the governor of that state, acted as though he didn't really care. he had requested for help that he basically stone walled. i'll tell you what if the kids
been drinking contaminated water and being bathed in it, there would
have been action. so i sent my top campaign aid down there to talk to the mayor of flint, to be see what i could do to help. and i issued a statement about what we needed to do, and then i went on a tv show, and i said it was outrageous that the governor hadn't acted, i want to be a president that takes care of the big problems and the problems that are affecting the people of our country every day. [ applause ] >> thank you. senator sanders. >> secretary clinton was right, and what i did was, which i think is also right is to demanded the resignation of the governor. a man who acts not irresponsibly should not stay in power. now, we are a great nation. and we've heard a lot of great ideas here tonight. but let's be honest and let's be truthful.
to transform our economy, and to create the kind of middle class we need unless we end a corrupt campaign financed system, which is undermining american democracy. [ applause ] we have got to get rid of superpacks. we have got to get rid of citizens united. [ applause ] and what we have got to do is create a political revolution which revitalizes american democracy which brings millions of young people and working people into the political process. to say loudly and clearly, thaha the government of the united states of america belongs to all of us, and not just a handful of wealthy campaign contributors. >> all right. well thank you. [ applause ] and thanks to all of you for being here tonight. shedding light on some of the differences as americans get
i want to thank the congressional black caucus institute and certainly my friend and colleague andrea mitchell. this has been great. it's been a great, spirited conversation, and american people appreciate it. let me turn it over to my friend chuck todd now, thanks. >> lester, thank you. and a terrific job, moderating this debate tonight. andrea as well. what a lively, substantive debate. we thought there were gogog to be fireworks, there were. you heard sort of the sharp, sagreements when it comes to guns, when it comes to wall street reform. when it comes to health care. and even a few things on foreign policy. we're going to break all of it down here in a few minutes, but we're going to try to sneak in a short break. and when we come back, instant analysis, we'll see if we can find out what the campaigns are doing.
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what is his record >> against the sanders thesis basically. that what we need is revolutionary change. he's not about revolutionary change. he's about evolutionary change. incremental change. >> sometimes people wrapping themselves in the flag. hillary clinton was wrapping herself in president obama tonight. we were looking at there is instancecefter instance, i plan on building upon president obama, dodd frank, health care, d it was clearly designed to say, bernie sasaers, he's not wrapping himself in obama. >> absolutely. and there's such a historical resonance here of course because eight years ago, the south carolina primary between obama and clinton, perhaps the nastiest of all, and the bitterness was when they clashed at that point is in stark contrast to say the least with the way she embraced obama as a person, as a leader, embraced
can't do what benghazi wants to do on -- bernie sanders wants to do on health care. i have a feeling this is the beginning of a lively final 15 days. we will have continuing live analysis of tonight's debate on msnbc.com. and if you missed part of this debate, you can see it begin starting right now on msnbc. for now, i'm chuck todd in charleston, south carolina. from all of with us, we say good night.on the broadcast tonight, we've got a wrap up from the final dem debate before the iowa caucuses and new hampshire primary after a mild start to winter....the midwest is seeing some frigid and dangerous temperatures plus, warning signs that you need to know surronding alzheimer's disease news 4 at 10 begins right now