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i'm chris wallace. president obama faces new questions about how he's waging the war on terror. in a pre-vacation news conference, the president discusses government surveillance. >> i want to make clear once again that america is not interested in spying on ordinary people. >> the threats facing americans overseas. >> we are not going to completely eliminate terrorism. what we can do is to weaken it. >> the state of relations with russia and the battle over obama care. >> the one unifying principle in the republican party at the moment is making sure that 30
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million people don't have health care. >> we'll get reaction to all of it from senator john mccain, just back from the middle east. plus, uproar over planned projects by cnn and nbc on the life and career of hillary clinton. the gop now threatening to block both networks from hosting primary debates. >> the parent companies are choosing to promote hillary clinton when they know darn well that she's getting ready to run for president. >> we'll ask two key political strategists joe trippi and chip saltsman is the race for 2016 already on? and our power player of the week. still the baddest man on the planet, mike tyson. all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello, again, from fox news in washington. president obama has left the capital for his summer is vacation. he arrived in martha's vineyard after his full first -- first
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full press conference in more than three months and he made news on the government surveillance program, relations with russia, and our war against al qaeda. senator john mccain, a republican leader on national security who just returned from the mideast joins us from arizona. senator, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you, chris. >> president obama said friday that he wants to reform the government surveillance program, he wants to add some more safeguard and make it more transparent. republican congressman pete king, a member of the house intelligence committee said that, that he called it a monumental failure of war time leadership. senator mccain, who's right? >> well, i think it's pretty clear that there's been failures throughout that has led to mr. snowden now being granted asylum in russia. there is now a large percentage of americans particularly young americans who view mr. snowden as some kind of a whistle-blower
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when we know that he betrayed his oath of office. there's a young generation that believe he's some kind of jason bourne and there has gotten to more transparency. we need to ask questions like why did mr. snowden have access to the information he had to? it couldn't have been part of his job. what about congressional oversight, have we had a failure there? and clearly, mr. snowden's being granted asylum in russia is a signal of incredibly bad relations between the united states and russia and mr. putin putting his thumb right in america's eye. >> let's talk though about some of the specific reforms that president obama proposed in his news conference. let's put them up on the screen. have a privacy -- argue against the government, on the other side in a surveillance court. tighten the mass collection of phone records. be more transparent when you can
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about surveillance. do you think those are good ideas or do you think there's a possibility they could impede our ability to stop a terrorist who's -- who means to do us harm? >> well, there's a careful balance here between preserving our assets and capabilities and making sure the american people are convinced that their privacy is not being violated. and it is a careful balance. right now as i mentioned, there's kind of a generational change here. young americans do not trust this government. without trust in government, you can't do a lot of things. so i don't disagree with any of those proposals of the president's. but i also would ask how in the world do we have all these thousands of contractors and people like snowden who may have access to information that there is no reason for them to have? we used to have a thing called need to know. clearly, mr. snowden did not have a need to know the information that he is now
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revealing. it's also very revealing about the state of our relations with russia and mr. putin. >> i'm going to get to russia in a minute, but let me ask you about some breaking news and that's the fact that today the state department has reopened 18 of the 19 missions and consulate diplomatic posts across the middle east, north africa, near asia. did the administration do the right thing in closing those embassies ies to respond to the terror threat or are some of the foreign partners -- did it seem to be an act on retreat of the part of this country against its threats in the middle east? >> i'm not sure it was a matter of retreat, but it authenticates the incredible threat that al qaeda poses to the united states of america and our personnel and embassies and consulates throughout north america. you can't say you have destroyed
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quote core al qaeda. by the way that's semantic gymnastics that is remarkable. you can't say that and at the same time have to close embassies and consulates all over the united states. look, al qaeda is on the rise, they have continued to penetrate. they have now a free zone in the iraq/syria areas -- the border. iraq is -- excuse me, al qaeda is strengthening every day in every way because of a lack of american leadership and policy. the only american policy that i can think of that president obama is practicing, one, he's not bush, and second, that the united states is withdrawing. we are withdrawing. and when you do that, and when you say that, then things get a lot worse than they are and they continue to get worse and without that policy, without a strong policy, we are in trouble. just give you an example. the president of the united
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states said that if this al assad used chemical weapons it would be a game changer and he has used to, and what has the united states done? providing light weapons to if resistance which is not doing any thing of benefit and al assad is succeeding. >> i want to may some of what president obama has had to say about the state of al qaeda over the last year. >> today, al qaeda is on the run and osama bin laden is dead. for al qaeda a shell of its former self. groups like aqap must be dealt with. the united states is never going to retreat from the world. we don't get terrorized. >> senator, a moment ago you said that al qaeda is on the
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rise. you're not suggesting that al qaeda is stronger than it was pre-9/11? >> i'm saying they have metastasized in a way they may pose great threats throughout the middle east, that they can destabilize nations, that they can commit acts of terror literally anywhere and there's the perception throughout the middle east that there's no american leadership, that's no policy, and then the various actors in the region are accommodating to that reality. and when they believe that, then you are going to see extremist elements on the rise and clearly they are throughout the middle east. the action of closing these embassies shows that they're able to mount threats everywhere in the middle east against the united states of america and they are playing in ways that can -- that going to pose challenges to the united states for years to come. >> you talked earlier about russia. i want to get back to that.
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of course, president obama cancelled his summit with russian president putin this week. he made it clear he wants to continue to do business with russia. take a look at what the president said. >> i know that the press likes to focus on body language and he's got that kind of slouch, looking like the bored kid in the back of the classroom. but the truth is is that when we're in conversations together, oftentimes it's very productive. >> senator, is the relationship productive? is canceling the summit enough or should we get tougher with putin and russia? >> well, the president comparing him to a kid in the back of the classroom i think is very indicative of the president's lack of appreciation of who vladimir putin is. he's an old kgb colonel that has no illusions about our relationship, does not care about a relationship with the united states. continues to oppress his people, continues to oppress the media
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and continues to act in an autocratic and unhelpful fashion. by continuing for example to veto resolutions in the united nations security council concerning bashir assad's atrocities in syria. and the fact that he cancelled the meeting, that's fine, it's symbolic. we need to expand the act of holding people accountable who commit human rights violations in russia. we need to bring georgia into nato. we need to restore our efforts for defensive missile systems in europe. which we had basically drawn back. we need to emphasize human rights and we also need very badly to understand that mr. putin does not have the united states/russia relations in a any -- in any priority and treat him in a realistic fashion. that's the way to treat mr.
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putin, not just canceling a meeting. >> you had a busy week this week. earlier in the week, you were in egypt. you went there to try to persuade the military and the civilian government that they're backing to begin to release political prisoners and also to reach out to the demonstrators of the muslim brotherhood who are in the street and try to persuade them to go back to the democratic system. the generals not only rebuffed you, but they made it clear they're going to track down on the protesters if they don't clear the streets pretty quickly. a question. what do you think should happen if the generals go ahead with their threat and violently crack down on the muslim brotherhood protesters? should we cut off aid to egypt and what would that mean in terms of that country deinvolvidevolving into a civil war? >> i'm concerned about increased
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violence in the coming weeks. when the united states of america refuses to call a military takeover of a government as a -- refuses to call that a coup, then obviously it's hard for us to urge them to observe the rule of law in a constitution. but there's no doubt that morsi abused his power as president. there's no doubt that there's a popular uprising against morsi. but the fact is that it was a coup and now we have -- they have jailed leaders of the muslim brotherhood and the previous government, and that is not the way to bring about reconciliation. they are charging mr. morsi and others with crimes, for example, in his case before he ran for president. when we urged the release of some of the political prisoner, the answer is it was a judicial matter. it's not a judicial matter, but
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the orders of the new government and military. i worry a great deal. there's still around 30% of the people that support brotherwe c.ld see an eruption bloodshed that would be horrendous. >> let me just quickly ask you -- we're beginning to run out of time. if they crack down in a violent way, are you going to call for a cutoff of aid to egypt? >> i'm afraid that the congress of the united states would have to consider carefully the elimination of aid. by the way we know that the gulf countries are giving them as much as $14 billion. it's not just military and aid, but tourism and it's our relationship, their legitimacy in the world and a lot of other things and i'm afraid they're not appreciative of it, while they're demonizing the united states of america in the streets. it's a sad thing to see. >> you have been spending a lot of time with president obama lately. you have been talking about
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foreign policy and pushing comprehensive immigration reform. you helped work out a deal to stop filibustering some of mhis nominees and jay leno asked him about it this week. >> you had the lover's quarrel for a while, and now you're -- weloufrids. >> you know, that's -- >> what happened? >> that's how a classic romantic comedy goes. >> i was going to ask you, are you going soft on obama, but from your answers today you're not. is it a romantic comedy or a tragedy? >> i think it's a situation where i will work with the president and the american people want us to. look at the approval ratings of congress to work with the president where i can. but in places like syria where a massacre of 100,000 people, torture, rape, murder, may mem -- mayhem is taking place with
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the increase of the muslim extremists that is something i have to fight against. we need a coherent national foreign policy in the world and we don't have that right now. i intend to do what i can to restore america's prestige and influence which is on the wane. >> senator mccain, thank you. always good to talk with you, sir. >> thank you, chris. hillary clinton and chris christie run strong in early polls. let the talk of 2016 begin. two veterans of presidential campaigns join us next.
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we have got a big problem at cnn and nbc think that they're going to put together a promotional movies and miniseries promoting hillary clinton and that the republican party is going to go along to get along. >> reince priebus threatening that two networks will be locked out of gop debates if they go ahead with film projects about hillary clinton. joining us to discuss the political situation for 2014 and '16 are two veterans of presidential politics. chip saltsman who managed mike h huckabee's run for the white house and joe trippi who worked on walter mondale's campaign. and chip, should they go ahead and act on the threat from chairman priebus if abc -- rather, nbc and cnn don't back
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down? we should point out there's talk that fox television may also become involved in this project in some way. but should they act on this? >> for the member of the committee, they're excited that the chairman is doing this. they say it's the right thing to do this is one of those things where the chairman has kind of laid down the gauntlet. do you think nbc is all of a sudden going to pull their hillary clinton miniseries? no. i think it's good funding on both sides too. >> joe, does the republican party look strong or silly making this threat? would a diane lane miniseries because she's signed up for the nbc miniseries to play hillary clinton, would that bolster the clinton campaign in 2016? >> i agree with chip, it's great fund raising strategy from the rnc, but no, i don't think -- the reason that the networks are doing this is because of how formidable a campaign of clinton's campaign would be. they think there's a story there.
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but listen, the democratic party they did this with fox, protested, did a boycott. it doesn't work. i mean, last time i checked fox is doing pretty well with its viewers. i don't think this is going to work. i think it's good for the base. it jams them up. it raises money, but that's all -- the only impact it will have, chris. >> meanwhile, there's a new poll out of new hampshire that shows a couple of interesting things. let's put that up on the screen. new jersey governor chris chris christie has the lead. senator marco rubio is back in fifth place at 6%. back in april, he was tied with christie for the lead. at 15%. chip, couple of questions. one, why is he so strong, not only in that poll but a bunch of national republican parties, and has rubio been hurt that badly as he seems to be by the support for comprehensive immigration -- >> no question rubio has been
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hurt. this is the issue that everybody -- they thought senator rubio would be a new republican that was going to lead us to the white house in 2016. but up trying to make deals, you go up there and you try to be a deal maker it hurts you in national polls pretty quickly. >> what about chris christie? >> he's pretty hot right now. but if you take it down to the microcosm of the primary states, not too well. he's doing well with the regular republicans out there, but with the right wing of the party not so well. >> i want to ask you about the president's news conference and his reaction to the threat from some republicans to shut down the government if obama care is not defunded. take a look. >> the idea that you would shut down the government unless you prevent 30 million people from getting health care is a bad idea.
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>> joe, the president was all but taunting the republicans, you know, saying, go ahead, try to link a defunding of obama care to shutting down the government, make my day. do they love the prospect of the republicans going down the road? >> they love it and it's a good tactic again. >> for whom? >> the president. look, the people want it repealed or want it changed, but they don't want the government shut down to happen. to force that to happen. so the president, daring them to do it. it's helpful for 2014. republicans are going to go on record, they're either going to force a shut down. we have been through this before. didn't work too well with newt gingrich during -- and the republicans during the last one. i think trying to push against republicans and make sure that they do it, they know there will be a cost. >> chip, republican leaders, the leaders in the house and the senate hate this idea of linking
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obama care defunding to whether or not the government gets funded but i have to say i've talked to a lot of tea party republican, time to put up or shut up. if you hate obama care the power of the purse is the way to stop it. you can't end it, but delay it for a year by defunding it. i want to put up a very interesting poll that's out this weekend. gallup latest poll, obama's approval rating is down to 41%. it hasn't been lower than that in almost two years. chip, what are the political stakes here for the gop? you have a somewhat vulnerable president, a lot of growing doubts about him on obama care and other issues. on the other hand, do you really want to take the hostage and say, no funding obama care? >> well, this is a complex issue. the president is doing a good job of driving his own approval ratings down. look, there's no question the right wing of our party wants
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this vote. they want to defund obama care and are okay with shutting down the government and you have the whole united states congress hanging in this balance. we'll decide if we get control based on whether we defund obama care or not. because that depends on who will be our general election candidate. >> i guess i'm not quite understanding. if they force a government shut down of obama care, is that going to help the republicans or in 2014 or hurt them? >> i think it helps some of them running in the primaries, but hurts them in the general. >> this is the entire problem they have had for 2010 and 2012. the republicans should have had the u.s. senate right now, but because they're having this fight and this vote on shutting down the government, could end up again nominating people like
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sharon engel and they nominated here in nevada and that's the reason that harry reid is still in the senate. this could happen again. again we look at 2012, it looks like 2014 the republicans should have a great shot at the senate, but may not happen. >> let's talk about that. let's look at the landscape for 2014. after a special election in new jersey, which the democrats are expected to win in october, there will likely be we'll assume 55 senators voting with the democrats, 45 republicans. which means the gop will need a net pickup -- net pickup of six seats to take back the senate. but republicans have one advantage, they are defending only 15 seats in 2014 while the democrats are defending 20 seats that they now hold. i know it's silly, but we like to play these games. looking at it from the vantage point of 2012, how good are the
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prospects for the senate in 2014? >> i'm saying third time's a charm. joe's right we should have got ien it in 2012. i love tom cotton in arkansas. >> and we should point out, a freshman republican, who is running against mark pryor in a red state. >> a red state where president obama has a 28% approval rating and defunding obama care may get him elected in the general. >> all right. joe, republicans have another advantage. they have only two open seats. let's take a look at this. two states where due to retirement they have seats open. there we go. while democrats have five open seats including in the red states of montana, south dakota and west virginia. that are now blue, but, you know, they have a good chance of typically red states.
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how do you make 2014 the race for the senate? >> well, first off, chip is right. like except for the third time's a charm thing. i think what's happening here is again we don't -- in these primaries like you have mitch mcconnell in kentucky, primaried by mike bevens of the tea party. he'll be hit on the right and have a tough primary fight. at the same time, has a real live challenger within the democratic party and he'll get pinchedpy both sides in this thing. they're on the verge of blowing a third opportunity here because of the fights that they're having within the party. seniors for first time are starting to move away from republicans in the polls and it looks like it's because they feel like the party has gone too extreme. so what you have is, yes, democratic -- democracies will be carrying barack obama and his
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policies and republicans like cotton will be carrying this notion that the party has gone extreme. again in senate as it did in 2010 and 2012. >> one of the few republican seats they what be vulnerable and joe mentioned it is kentucky. you have got the senate republican leader mitch mcconnell in a tough fight against matt bevens first of all in a primary. he's a tea party favorite. and then supposing he survives that he'd go on against alisyn lundergrun-grimes. is he in trouble? >> i think that's what the media will say mcconnell is in trouble. he loves the political fights in his life. he has been doing it for 30 years. he's got a great base in kentucky and he relishes the opportunity to take his kind of record to kentucky and fight every step of the way. he'll be at every county. he's a grass roots kind of politician who loves this stuff. >> we should point out if you
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think we're silly talking about this a year and a half ahead of time, all three candidates, the two republicans and one democrat, they're all up with ads already. chipping away one another. next up, let's bring in the sunday panel. hear what they have to say about the president's plan to overhaul the government's surveillance program and where we stand on the war on terror. [ school bell rings ] ♪ school's out for summer ♪ [ male announcer ] from the last day of school, back to the first. they're gonna need a lot of stuff. for everything kids need to everything they want in styles and colors as unique as they are. staples has it. stock up for the year now and get 15% off school supplies through september 21st when you buy a back to school savings pass. staples. that was easy. when you buy a back to school savings pass. [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them.
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rather than have a trunk come out here and a leg come out
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here and tail come out there, let's just put up the whole elephant out there. so people know exactly what they're looking at. >> president obama reacting to all the leaks from edward snowden in explaining why he thinks it's time for a more comprehensive review of the government's nsa surveillance programs. it's time now for our sunday group. bill kristol of "the weekly standard," joe lieberman, carlie fiorina, former ceo of hewlett-packard and julia pace. president obama says he wants to strike the right balance between the freedoms and security in proposing reforms to government surveillance. the aclu immediately said that he doesn't gone nearly far enough, while some conservatives said he's jeopardizing our safety in an effort to satisfy groups like the aclu. bill, does that mean he got the balance just right or that he totally messed it up? >> we don't know what he's proposed really. it's so vague. so it's hard to know.
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he's been president for 4 1/2 years, one would assume he'd be making sure there was a right balance between security and privacy. i'd rather think there has been. if he wants to propose some tweaks he can do so, but i think he has to reassure people that he's paying attention and there's no rampant violation of privacy or liberties. >> senator lieberman, president obama criticized edward snowden as no patriot, he and his administration have been much tougher, charged him with violating espionage. but in effect he was saying that the snowden leaks had raised legitimate concerns on the part of the american people about whether their privacy is being violated. has that cast the whole snowden case in a different light? >> i hope not. because i think these programs are important to our security. there's no evidence presented that the nsa security programs have compromised anybody's civil liberties or privacy.
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this is all anxiety aroused by the revelation. so i think that the president so far has stood by these programs and defended them. but obviously, snowden who is a -- in my opinion, a criminal, is the reason why the president said what he did on friday. and the president was interesting. he said in an indirect way. he continues to have confidence in the nsa surveillance program, but he wants to reassure the public to have similar confidence. i don't think he would have done that if snowden hadn't violated the laws in the way he did. >> do you think he even needed to take these steps? for instance, to have been advocate who's going to oppose the government in the fisa court or should he have stood firm? >> i think the advocate is a good idea because it gives some due process. it will be an independent person there to represent the other side. in a secret meeting.
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we don't know what the president is proposing is, and i worry about it because, again, these are critically important programs to our national security. incident incidentally, i wish somebody, maybe my former colleagues in congress, would look at the other side of this from civil liberties and privacy and investigate how did snowden break this system and compromise our security and incidentally, devalue the intelligence that the american taxpayer has spent billions of dollars to develop for our security? >> i want to switch subjects and the state department is reopening 18 of the 19 diplomatic posts that it had closed across the middle east and north africa in the last week. back in may, the president talked about how -- started laying the groundwork for eventually we'll have to end this war on terror. does the threat from al qaeda and the fairly strong response from the president show that he was premature even to be talking
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about that? >> of course, absolutely. i thought it was odd at the time. this war like all wars must come to an end. i think it denied the fact that al qaeda is at least partially is in charge of when this war is over. and its affiliates. clearly, al qaeda and their cast of affiliates decided this war will go on a long time. i think obama has looked unfortunately consistently naive about this. i think he's been driven by political purposes, however, i think he was right to close those embassies and protect american lives and perhaps benghazi had something to do with that. >> i was about to ask you about that, we are not going to be accused of underreacting this time and along those lines a very interesting point that hasn't gotten as much attention as it should have.
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the president talked about sealed indictments. they're secret, not supposed to be talked about. not only did the president talk about the sealed indictments of the perpetrators of the benghazi attack, but we were the ones who leaked the story the following day. how embarrassed is the white house about the fact that the president is talking about the sealed indictment of the alleged pers perpetrators? >> i don't think they're embarrassed. as unusual as it is, you don't hear presidents talk about the sealed indictments in a public forum. but to go back to impactful how benghazi has been on their policy, hugely important. even if you remember going back to when he first made his comments about the situation in egypt, the very first thing he said was not about what was happening with the military or president morsi, what was the u.s. was going to do with its embassy in cairo. that is really changed how the u.s. feels like it has to react publicly and on the ground in a
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lot of the countries. these embassies in a lot of cases are huge targets. it's the biggest target in the countries where people have strong anti-american sentiment. >> what do you make of the personal shots and we played some of them for john mccain, but the personal shots that the president took at putin, like the bored kid slouching in the classroom, but saying at the same time, i want to continue to do business with russia? >> i think that's with the leaking of the sealed indictment and quote overheard the conference call, it's a very sophisticated call among the al qaeda affiliates and core al qaeda which shows things are not as disintegrating things as they said, and they leak this to defend their own actions or excuse their own fail universities. bush, clinton, would take the hint on this. oh, we shouldn't have closed the embassies. they wouldn't have put out the fact that we intercepted a
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conference call. you know what, we did the right thing for the country. one of the most distressing things about the obama administration, they leak something out. so great, al qaeda thought that what they was a highly secret way to communicate with each other, it was penetrated. they're not embarrassed on the fact that they put -- they put out the fact that they have a sealed indictment. politics does trump national security in some of the interests. >> okay. we have to take a break and when we come back, president obama dares republicans to shut down the government over obama care. plus, a changing of the guard at one of the pillars of the news establishments. "the washington post" is best known as the newspaper that brought down a president. >> it's an institution that has played a singular role in american politics and policy and american journalism. >> this week it made headlines when the graham family sold the post to multibillionaire jeff
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the rally interesting question is why it is that my friends in the other party have made the idea of preventing these people from getting health care their holy grail. >> president obama on his way out the door for a vacation, delivers a parting shot at those republicans who are threatening to defund obama care even at the cost of a government shutdown. we are back now with the panel. well, democrats clearly think that the republicans would be -- some republicans would be making a grievous mistake were they to tie obama care to funding the government. carlie, are the democrats right, would it be a bad mistake? >> i think they're right. and i think the republicans have missed their opportunity here. i believe obama care is an
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abomination. it will not work. 2,600 page bill that nobody understands. put together under political heat is going to be a disaster and my fear is that we will end up so negatively impacting a sixth of our economy that it will be very hard to recover. so i understand the emotion behind this is our last shot. when i say i think the republicans have missed an opportunity, i don't think the american people are particularly satisfied with an answer that says, let's repeal it, but we don't know what we're going to do instead. and so what i would have hoped is over the last four-plus years there would have been thoughtful people saying the original goal was right. access to affordable health care. here's what we should do instead. and there is no instead. i think that's going to be a big problem. unfortunately. >> i want to pick up on that whole issue of the whole debate, senator lieberman, because even the president said there will be bumps in the road starting with
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the implementation of obama care starting in october and through 2014. what do you think the chances of the rollout of the program will end up being a burden for democrats next year and in the in november campaign rather than a plus? >> well, the fact is that this is -- this is what the debate is all about. this is not -- this is all about politics. it's not about policy. because obama care is not going to be defunded because if it was ever defund by the house it would not pass the senate. if it ever passed the senate, the president would veto it. obama care is not going to be repealed certainly for next 3 1/2 years. >> but i'm asking you a different question, which is in terms of policy is obama care going to be good for the democrats as -- >> yes. >> as people deal with it in 2014 or bad? >> this is about -- i think was it a strong position at the press conference and what he said. i think it's a real -- not only a substantive challenge, the republicans haven't come up with an alternative to obama care.
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but it's a real political challenge which is that all the republicans are doing is saying no and people remember that before obama care there was a problem which was 30-plus million people didn't have insurance. a lot of them were getting health care and we were paying for it. and the cost of insurance was going sky high. so the answer to it is how is it going to play out politically in 2014? i don't know. but i would say if you view the president's statement on friday as an opening shot he and the democrats have -- are heading toward the higher ground here. the better ground politically. >> bill? >> i hate to say that he is wrong, but even homer nods occasionally. i agree with carlie, that the republicans should have been working on an alternative. they were too slow on that, too many disagreements. but delaying the individual mandate, delaying the exchange,
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insisting that congress be covered by the same rules as the rest of the country, those are winners not losers. delaying the implementations of those parts of obama care, delaying the implementation of those parts is a total winner and republicans should make that case and make it aggressively. >> so part of the problem for republicans their argument is being overtaken by people like ted cruz. >> let's see -- i don't agree with that. >> shutting down the government. >> ted cruz said i want to pass a continuing resolution to keep the government open. but there's plenty of time for the two to come together here. i think republicans by labor day will be in good shape on this obama care. >> i think in the end, the politics are going to be the politics, it's the policy that's going to be the politics. how does -- as you cover the white house every day for a.p., how are worried are they in the white house about the implementation of obama care,
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how many young people are going to sign up, what is it going to mean to the average person's coverage or premium, how worried are they about how obama care going to work in the next 12 to 15 months? >> they are incredibly anxious. particularly as it relates to who signs up for these exchanges. you know, the exchanges on their own will only work if you get very specific people to sign up. you know, young people. healthy people who aren't going to be the drag on the system. and so you're going to see -- already starting to see it. you'll see it ramp up october 1 when the exchanges open. it will resemble in a lot of ways the voter registration an get out the vote efforts as the obama presidential campaigns. because they know if they don't get the people to sign up, the exchange system won't work. if the exchange system doesn't works, then it has a broad impact on the rest of the policies as well. >> i want to switch topic, the news business made big news this week, there you see dan and
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katherine graham and legendary editor ben bradley sold the "washington post," they had owned it for 80 years, they sold it to jeff bezos, the founder of amazon. he's worth about $25 billion. carlie, as a former mogul in silicon valley yourself, what are your thoughts? >> well, i think the relationship between graham and bezos are important here, they have come to know and trust and like each other over many years and that's very important when you're selling a family heirloom so to speak. the printed newspaper business is dying. technology is the answer. and so in some ways, this was a very surprising announcement. in another way, it's a very logical extension. frankly, i was less surprised that don graham sold the post and that jeff bezos bought "the
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post." whenever you have to have a huge innovation, you need to have new people thinking about it. and i wonder whether trying to keep the traditional paper alive is actually going to slow down the thinking of what do we do with this great legacy item to keep it fresh and relevant? >> senator lieberman, it's not just "the post." we have seen it with "the boston globe," with "the los angeles times." when you look at these families who own these great newspapers for decades, now forced to sell because quite frankly they can't figure out how to make money in the new internet world, does it worry you? >> yeah, it worries me. there's an old latin expression, all things change and we change with them. and, you know, the internet is obviously affected the way people are getting news, buying newspapers and how people are reading newspapers. there's hope in bezos coming
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into "the post" and i'm sure donald graham has the hope, that "the post" has an asset which is journalists. people need and want the news. i would guess that he's going to do some creative things in using the talents of the journalists to give news in different formats. but there's a loss here. and it's happening all over america. we're losing the local ownership of "the washington post." the graham family has always felt they were heading a great national newspaper, but they were washingtonians. don graham would lobby for education aid for the washington schools, for scholarships with kids from washington. with all respect to jeff bezos, he's an admirable person, but that local contact will be gone. and that's a loss. >> the fact is before he became a newspaperman, to learn the city, he worked as a cop here, working the beat.
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so he really bled not only newspapers, but also the city. >> he did and he saw the ownership of the newspaper as a public trust which not what the people coming into ownership of newspapers see the paper as. that's a loss. >> thank you, panel. see you next week. remember our discussion continues every sunday on panel plus. you can find it on our website, foxnewssunday.com. and make sure to follow us on twitter @fox news sunday. up next, from the ring to the stage, a former champ reinvents himself a.
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when i heard mike tyson is going to be in town this spring, i immediately wanted to sit down with him. some folks here weren't so sure, but as we showed you in may he was funny and honest and surprisingly introspective. so once again, here's an unusual power player of the week. >> couldn't be better. i'm talking about financially i suck. but spiritually and emotionally, i'm just -- it couldn't be better. if i was to die today, i was overpaid in life. >> this is a story about survival. mike tyson who came from nothing was heavyweight champion at 20. was knocked out at 23, spent three years in prison for rape, and has lived to talk about it. you're a vegan. >> yeah. >> you're off drugs. >> thank god. >> you're off alcohol. >> oh, double thank god. >> so have you cleaned up your
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act? >> i'm just -- i'm living life on life's terms. i was the champion of the nation, at 14 i was on well i on my way. >> he toured the country in a one-man show and he told his story, the good, the bad and the very ugly. >> after i left prison, i have to admit i was scared. >> what's the difference between being on stage and being in the ring? >> you don't have to really -- after the show. >> how much money do you think you made in your career? >> everyone tells me that i made 300 or $400 million. i what -- made a lot of money. >> how much is left? >> none. >> how is that possible? >> i don't care how much money you have, if you don't care of it it doesn't mean anything. >> tyson said he's not getting rich off the show. just enough to support his third
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wife and seven children and pay the irs a little of the millions he owes the government. >> i don't have a glamorous lifestyle. >> do you miss that? >> no. i'm old. >> you're how old? >> 46. >> what am i? >> a dinosaur. >> he has some causes now. he started mike tyson cares which helps disadvantaged kids with food and shelter and support in school. and he's joined the campaign to get a presidential pardon for jack johnson. the first black heavyweight champion who was convicted of taking his white girlfriend across state lines. >> in 1910, black people are not even considered human beings. they're really almost still property. so he was -- he deserves a second chance posthumously. >> a second chance or perhaps in tyson's case, a fourth or fifth chance. he said the person he hurt worst was himself. >> me.
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no doubt about that. no doubt about that at all. >> evander holyfield would say you hurt him too. >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. i did hurt him. >> why did you do that? why did you hurt yourself? >> i didn't understand it. i was a wild, crazy kid at the time. i'm not doing it now. i think about my mortality a lot now. i'm 46 and i have a 2-year-old. what am i thinking, i'm a former junkie, you know what i mean? i had a bunch of fights and got hit in the head and what the hell am i thinking about? >> tyson's tour wrapped up this spring, but you'll get another chance to see it. hbo taped his one-man show to run later this year. and that's it for today. have a great week. we'll see you next "fox news sunday." look at 'em.
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