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i'm chris wallace. now a french satellite finds debris in the search for malaysia airlines flight 370. the investigation now focus onz objects spotted by satellite in the indian ocean. >> if there is anything down there, we will find it. >> and the fbi tries to retrieve files deleted from the pilot's flight simulator. passengers and families continue their agonizing wait. we'll have a live report on breaking developments and talk with the chair of the house homeland security committee and
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a former investigator with the ntsb and the faa. then, russia defies the u.s. again and completes the annexation of premier. >> the world is watching with grave concern as russia has positioned its military in a way that could lead to further incursions into southern and eastern ukraine. >> our sunday panel analyze what's russian president putin wants and what it will take to stop him. plus, as the 2016 race for the white house heats up, one potential gop candidate is counting his states' economic turn around. >> the nation and the world, they have their eyes on ohio. they know we're coming back. they want to know, frankly, how we're doing it. >> ohio governor john kasich joins us. it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive. and our power player of the week. former "washington post" ceo donald graham on his new initiative for the dreamers. >> i can help them, low income
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kids get to colleges is about as good as it gets. >> all right now on "fox news sunday." >> hello again from fox news in washington. we're now in the week three in the search for ma lash why airline flight 370. and potential leads keep coming. but so far none have led to that missing jetliner. malaysia says it's now received satellite images from france offering the latest sign of the potential debris in the indian ocean. planes and ships search a remote stretch of water. some are looking for a palette spotted from the air saturday. so far, they turned up nothing. joining us with the latest, fox news national community jennifer griffin. >> when the air france flight went down off the coast of brazil in 2009, first sign of that plane was a wooden palette
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plated. they are used inside plane's cargo containers. search continues to focus on the southern corridor. australian officials add malaysian airlines to provide them with a packing list. the french satellite shows objects in the same search zone as the satellite images provided by the chinese government saturday. the chinese photograph shows an object 72 feet by 42 feet which could be a wing. >> we have now had a number of very credible leads. and there is increasing hope, no more than hope. no more than hope that we might be on the road to discovering what did happen to this aircraft. >> the u.s. navy's p-8 plane returned to the search sunday after a day of rest and maintenance joining a total of eight search planes. australian authorities said the plane that spotted the wooden palette was unable to take photos from the air. it takes them four hours to fly
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from the search zone. they can spend three hours search brg they have to return. seven chinese ships joined the search. weather continues to be a factor. it is much kleer today. sea fog and low clouds have been clearing up. mat lay shan defense minister appealed to church goers around the world to say a prayer for those onboard flight 370 and their families. >> thank you. for more, let's bring in texas congressman michael mccall, chair of the homeland security committee. and from new mexico, dr. allen zeile, a former crash investigator for both the national transportation safety board and the faa. and author of "air safety investigators: using science to save lives one crash at a time." chairman mccall, any must information on what happened to flight 370 and where it is now? >> well, as i've said all along, i believe it's in the indian ocean. i think the malaysian government spent too much time focusing on
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the northern routes and the gulf of thailand and kazakh zan. it would have been picked up by radar and we knew that. i know satellite imagery given to the malaysians established. that but we wasted a week of precious time up in that region when all along it's been in southern indian ocean i think is where the location is. i think this is hopeful that now we have the third satellite imagery of debris in this area and the good news is we can find it so we can get to the black box to finally found out what may have happened in this case. >> let me ask you about another law enforcement aspect of this, chairman. the fbi has now gotten ahold of the hard drive of the flight simulator of that chief pilot. and we know that he deleted some files. any information that they have been able to come up with anything to retrieve some of those files and also i know that law enforcement authorities are looking back through all of the
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e-mails of the two pilots. >> sure. they're going to scrub all the e-mails. the hard drive of the simulator at quantico is under review. having worked with the fbi, i know that even though you may delete a file, they can be retrieved later. i no he that the fbi is working to do that. now we all delete files. but the question is what was deleted and could that be evidence of a route that was taken in this case? and so i think that's all under review. let me just say there are many theories floating around out there. none in my opinion connect all the dots at this point in time. but that's why we have an investigation on going. >> let me bring you in, allen deal. the best leads we have so far are the satellite images of debris, something about 70 feet long in the indian ocean. one image, the one on the left taken by an american satellite
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company last sunday. the other on the right taken by chinese satellite on tuesday. now, of course, we have the french satellite that spotted something. allen, a couple of questions. first of all, do you have an opinion on whether or not that is wreckage from the plane or is that just impossible to tell from the satellite images? what do you make of this palette that was seen by one of the search planes yesterday? >> well, they're all promising. obviously, there's a lot of debris out there. we need a lot more resources than eight airplanes and 20 ships. i think we need 48 airplanes and quick. i just hope that president obama is getting the right kind of information. we have a fleet of p-3 alliance, older than the p 8s. they need to be out there looking. the u.s. air force has nc-130s that have aerial refueling. they can stay on station a lot longer than the p-3s.
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that sort of equipment needs to be moved into the area to help identify what is on the surface. >> allen, as you may know, the sailors call this stretch of the indian ocean the roaring 40s both for the latitude on the globe and also for very rough seas and high winds. what do you think of the chances given the fact that these satellite images are days old, one, that can you find what they are and then if does it turn out to be parts of the plane that can you retrace over the course of what is now two weeks all the way back to the crash site? >> well, that is problematic, even if it does turn out to be part of the aircraft for all the reasons you talked about. the tides, winds and so on. we've seen this before in 1987 the south africa lost a 747 talking to air traffic control when it went down. they didn't get throughout in time to find the pingers on the
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black boxes. it took them two years just like with air france in the south atlantic. this is probably going to be a very long search and unless we just luck out and one of these p-3s or p-8s hears the pinger and localize it quickly. >> chairman mccall, as head of the homeland security committee, are security officials still pursuing the possibility this is a terrorist plot? are they still pursuing the possibility that plane didn't crash but landed somewhere on a remote runway in the southern indian ocean or have they basically given up on that scenario? >> well, i think in terms of landing it on a runway somewhere, probably less likely. i think it's in the indian ocean. however, we haven't ruled out terrorism. although there is no direct evidence of that at this point in time. but if this was a deliberate attack as we think it probably was, remember, the
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tranresponders turned off after they exited malaysian airspace which is sort of odd scenario and the acar system. then the route is completely turned around dramatically. that suggests that either the pilot intentionally did it for whatever reason or that something was happening in the cockpit on the airplane with some possibly some of the passengers. so we can't rule out the possibility of passengers, terrorist link to that. but one thing we do know for certain is the tranresponders turned off, the routes changed. what caused that? we don't know at this point in time. it's either an accidental fire that may have caused that or a more deliberate intentional act. i think that's why we need to get to the bottom and get that black box in the indian ocean. >> allen, there is also a good deal of speculation about the payne stewart scenario. that is how the famous golfer ended up dying. however this event started, that in the end all of the people on the plane including the pilots
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of the hijackers were incapacitated and the plane just kept flying on autopilot until it ran out of gas and crashed into the ocean. how likely do you think that is? >> well, that is certainly a possibility. i have to agree with congressman mccall, everything is still on the table. there is even a better example of that and that was with a hilo greek 737. they had a slow decompression. the pilots passed out along with the passengers and a flight attendant who they have these walk around oxygen bottles and masks went to the cockpit. he flew the aircraft until it ran out of gas 2 1/2 hours later. we know the 777 has a lot more fuel than the 737. that scenario is in play. but there is another one that was a 777, egyptair 777 sitting at the gate in cairo and they
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had in that case a rapid fire that within a matter of minutes burned a hole in the fuselage. sitting on the ground that is a problem. they got everybody off. the captain got everybody off the plane. i'm not saying that's exactly the scenario. chris, it burned a hole in the fusela fuselage. if that happened at 35,000 feet, we would have had multiple emergency. i'm not sure any crew member or crew members could have handled that. and people talk about the jie ragss, vertical gyration, that is not an autopilot maneuver. there may have been a flight attendant at the control. this is all speculation. i'm not saying that's what happened. it does fit some of the data. so you need to take a look at what happened at cairo-gate there. >> one last question for you, congressman mccall. it turns out there were lithium batteries in the cargo, possibility that they could have
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caught on fire. >> lithium batteries are hazardous cargo. in the united states they would never be onboard with passengers. i think that's very important to note in this case they were. we had the flight out of ab u daby that went down, actually went out and returned and 30 minutes later crashed as well. so we have examined that possible theory in this case because they did turn right back around to malaysia. so we thought about that. but then he says okay, good night. and the tranresponders turned off two minutes later. it makes you wonder there's no distress on the plane at the time. makes you wonder if there was any sort of crisis. and the fact it flew seven more hours after a potential he electrical fire is on the plane. they could have turned off the tranresponder? is that a viable theory? it is a theory that needs to be
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examined along with an intentional deliberate act to bring down the plane. >> the mystery continues. congressman mccall, allen, thank you both. thank you both for joining us. we'll stay on top of the story, gentlemen. >> thank you. >> thanks, chris. >> russian troops mass on u.s.'s border and kremlin retaliates. now what happens? our sunday group weighs in. plus, what you would like to ask the panel about the situation in ukraine? just go to facebook or twitter and we may use your questions on the air.
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>> translator: it is clear as long as the political conditions for the g-8 are nonexistent, like right now, the g-8 does not exist anymore either as an organization as a summit. >> this is the greatest strengths to european security and stability since the end of the cold war. >> german chancellor and the head of nato reacting sharply to russia's annexation of crimea. it's time for our sunday group. radio talk show host laura ingraham, bob woodward of "the washington post," paul wolfowitz, former number two at the pentagon under george w. bush and fox news political analyst juan williams. russia is massing 20,000 troops
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on the border of eastern ukraine with tanks, artillery and aircraft. laura, i mean it's a guess. do you think putin invades and what can and should the u.s. and the west do to try to persuade him not to? >> remember that commercial that says your brain on drugs? this is your country in decline. i would say that united states has a leader now that had an expansive view of what the world community would be like, would have more harmony. the u.s. would step back and the world would step in and would have a more stable world. what i think you see now is that, of course, the world is less stable with america weaker. what we can do in this part of the world, i don't think we're going to do much. i think we can talk a lot about sanctions. sanctions might have some minimal effect. unless europe steps up and less germany matches the rhetoric with real world actions against the former soviet union, i think putin sees this as a massive opening for him domestically and on the international stage.
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you see him getting closer to china. they have a strong alliance now. i think america's options are very limited. >> president obama flies to the hague tomorrow to meet with the leaders of the g-7, russia is excluded. it will be the leaders of the g-7 to talk about what they do next. bob, do you think it's fair to say that putin's response is because of weakness from the u.s.? >> well, you have to start with some sort of policy and actually if you look at the sanctions policy that obama proposed, it's reasonable. it's a reasonable starting point. remember, the sanctions had worked to a degree in iran. and a lot of experts look at this and remember russia is in a sense an oil and gas company masquerading as a nation state. and that being the case, the leverage here and particularly if you ratchet it up is a starting point.
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i think the problem is the country is not speaking with one voice. you need some sort of -- >> our country? >> our country. russia is speaking with one voice. the putin voice. but we have multiple voices here. and the president needs to bring in the republicans and the congress on this and come up with some sort of plan. you know, the opening here is absolutely right. this is a deadly, serious moment and it has to be treated as that. >> paul, i want to get your assessment based on your jobs at the pentagon and then as head of the world bank. first, here is putin speaking this week and expressing a long list of grievances about being pushed around by the west, led by the u.s. >> translator: they have come to believe in their exceptionalism and their sense of being the chosen one, that they can decide
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the destiny of the world. it is only them who can be right. >> your sense of putin and how far he is prepared to go to restore greater russia? >> i think you can say putin is saying we can with brutal strength. he did this as prime minister. he rode to presidency in russia by this wave of support for genocidal war in chechnya. he is playing the russianal nationalism card which works very well for him. vulnerability, everyone in russia knows that he is corrupt and they hate it. he doesn't like it. he doesn't like it when one of his close friends who i think is the 16th richest man is put on the treasury list and they know that some of that money is going to putin. that is his vulnerability. >> i want to talk about another vulnerability and that -- and put it on your hat as head of the world bank and that is the russian economy. since this all started at the
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beginning of this month the russian stock market went down 10%. credit is downgraded. the russian economy from stable to negative. how effective would these u.s. sanctions and western sanctions be in weakening the economy of russia? how vulnerable is it? >> i think it is a vulnerable economy. he is trying to play the card back the other way because like any former communist, he believes our government is run by business people. so he is putting the squeeze on american businesses in russia. i don't think that's going to work. look, we are not going to get him out of crimea. but we can make him pay a very high price for it which will in turn help to deter from doing more like destabilizing the rest of the country without invading it. the third thing is essentially, strengthen spine, if you like, that is unfair, he has spine, but to give the ukrainians and polls and the other countries who correctly feel deeply
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threatened by this russian doctrine to stand up to him and we'll be supporting him. that has been the key to stability in europe. >> would you send military aid? >> i would. i think i'm disturbed to hear that we may be cutting one of the pentagon programs that would support these countries. i would like to see a much quicker, much stronger response to what is going on here. i am encouraged that they are finally putting some serious trouble-makers on the sanctions list. i am encouraged that it looks like they're kicking him out of the g-8. i think some of these things should have been done sooner. >> we asked you for questions. we got this on facebook from greg who asked why is this even an issue for the u.s. to intervene? juan, how do you answer greg and some others? and we got a bunch of e-mails like this, facebook postings like this. why do we need to get involved in ukraine? what is our interest there? >> well, european security is the primary concern for us for the world. but i think the reason we get
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these questions is because there were a few polls this week that said overwhelmingly, 60% of the american people say the united states should not get involved in fighting russia in the ukraine. that's not our business. and it's less important to take a stand there than it is for the u.s. to simply pay attention to what's going on here. you know, it's interesting. it's like half of republicans -- half of republicans, 55% of democrats, 60% of independence say we should not intervene in the ukraine. the breaking point would be if putin goes beyond ukraine and then you start getting involved in the allies. >> eastern ukraine. >> yeah. that's what i'm saying. the american people don't have -- have not set up that line in their political thinking. and so right now they're in line with president obama who is taking military action off the table pretty much for anything to happen in ukraine. >> we have to look at the sense of upwards of $20 trillion in iraq.
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we don't have a lot to show for it. we are stumbling still in afghanistan. american people, i mean we can talk about we should do this and that and i understand that. i really do. but we have a country right now where people look around and say wait a second, why do we only seem to care about borders and sovereignty when their own countries bored eastern sovereignty. why is it that we're obsessed with that but in our country we have a middle class flat lining. we have economic opportunity dwindling. it's a hard sell to the people spending money where we don't know where it's coming from in an economy that needs desperate help here. so these are the perils of military adventurism and previous decades. we're paying the price of that a little bit today. i was a big supporter of the war in iraq. i understand there are a lot of complexities there. the american people are saying where is the bang for the buck? that's what they're running into. >> you can't see this in the
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rearview mirror. >> you have to learn from the past. >> one of the things to learn from the past is unfortunately the past of 1930s, if you don't move early, you can do it without military force and you end up in wars. and that's what we're trying to avoid here. >> i don't think anyone is talking about military force. >> not right now. >> no. >> but there are alternatives. i think there is a strategy here that the white house can set themselves on that road. and that is the economic sanctions. there is covert action. supplying defensive weapons in ukraine, helping them in some way. i think that eventually gets on that table. >> all right. we have to take a break here. we'll see you later in the show. what do you think president obama should do about putin and russia? please let us know on our facebook page and join the conversation with other fns viewers. up next, ohio's economy is on the mend and it's governor called that a miracle. we'll talk with governor and possible presidential candidate
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with two years until the 2016 presidential election, there's a lot of talk the strongest gop nominee would be a governor from the midwest. one possibility from the key electoral state of ohio is making his state's economic turn around the basis for his re-election bid in november. joining us now from columbus, ohio, governor john kasich and, governor, welcome back to "fox news sunday."
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>> thanks, chris. >> you engineered quite a turn around in ohio. let's put up part of your record. your state has been the number five job creator in the nation over that period of time. and number one in the midwest. unemployment is now 6.5%. the lowest in your state since june of 2008. and ohio has gone from $8 billion bev it receive at this a $1.5 billion surplus. what is the secret? >> something that conservative republicans supported. i was a supporter of ronald reagan what i was first elected to congress in '82. that is balancing budgets and being fiscally responsible. common sense regulations and tax cuts. i like to say if you have a restaurant, you don't have any customers, you don't raise your prices. and that's where ohio was. and so what we've done is we balanced our budget, created this surplus, provided certainty, cut taxes for small
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business, killed the death tax and we have common sense regulations and we are engaged in workforce straining. all these things coupled with certainty here in ohio is what's allowed job creators to feel comfortable and allow them to invest in our state. a quarter million people now working than when we all came in three years ago and we're deeply grateful. we have a long way to go. >> all right. but the national economy is also in the midst of a recovery. have president obama's policies been part of the solution? >> look, i think the economy is healing a little bit, chris. but this is not the kind of recovery that we expect after a recession. we should be growing a lot faster. and i think the problem is you have these giants deficits. you have the threat of taxes. you got the problem of obama care which creates uncertainty. and all of those things are a drag on what is the natural healing process. so think about healing when you're 30 years old as opposed to you're 90 years old, right?
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we should be growing as a 30-year-old and healing as a young person rather than an older person and the fact of the matter is that this recovery is anemic. i just wish the president could provide the certainty because that would mean that more americans would be able to be able to realize their god given dreams and destinies in life. >> governor, you have just proposed a new budget that seems to track with at least some obama policies. you propose spending at $2.4 billion on construction and maintenance projects. half a billion dollars more than two years ago. and while you would cut the state income tax by 8.5%, you would pay for it by raising taxes on oil and gas drilling, on business, and on tobacco. the conservative group, americans for tax reform criticizes you for those tax increases. >> well, chris, i think first of all, we have really restrained ourselves in terms of rebuilding
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the infrastructure of ohio. but the time comes when every state needs to rebuild their infrastructure and we've done it conservatively. look, our bond ratings from -- or our credit ratings from new york have improved. so they look at ohio as very strong. so as we're building the economy with the private sector, there are some places where we need to rebuild the infrastructure of our state. in term of tax reform, we know even ronald reagan knew that there are some taxes that penalize economic growth. what we want to do is reduce that income tax. at the same time, giving people at the bottom an opportunity to have some tax reform and tax relief as well. and so, chris, we know that cigarette taxes, frankly, they're aggressive. cutting the income tax is pro growth. you have to have a tax system. the xwe what is the tax system that allows you to collect revenue but at the same time provides the most -- the greatest chance at economic growth? and, look, the proof is in the
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pudding. we've been doing this for three years since we all came in to office. it's working. we're up, you know, the jobs, you posted the numbers. the philosophy that we have seems to be paying off. >> for all your successes, you've also, understandably, hit some bumps in the road. in 2011 you signed a law sipping employees of their bargaining rights. the voters of the state overruled you in a referendum later that year. if you're re-elected, would you take that fight on again? >> no. i would not take it on, chris. the fact is the voters spoke. and when we lost that referendum in 2011, you listen to the people when they're clear. and so as i said the night that we lost that election, you know, we heard the voters. we'll move on. and that's kind of where i am. chris, my direction and my priorities today are train workers, real improvements in k-12 education, continued fiscal responsibility, continue to have
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a tax system that encourages economic growth and continue to make sure that our regulations make total, complete sense in our state. >> all right. let's talk about another bump. on -- maybe you don't think of it as a bump -- on obama care you declined setting up a state exchange leaving that to the feds. on the other hand, you agreed to accept the money to accept medicaid over the objections of the majority, republican majority in your state legislature. how do you explain those different actions? >> chris, first of all, i don't think it was over the objection of the majority of republicans. had there been a vote, i think it would have passed. but i have a chance to bring back $14 billion in ohio's dollars back to ohio to do what? to strengthen our local communities as they treat the most significant problem of drug addiction and the problem of mental illness. i guess i could leave that money in washington and leave it to those congressmen and senators to spend it wisely. unfortunately, i was there for 18 years. i know what they do with that money. i get it back to ohio to solve
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the vexing problems, see, my philosophy is this, chris. as the state does better and gets stronger economically, we must help people who live in the shadows. the people who have drug addictions. we have to get them rehabbed. the people who have mental illness. those two groups of people should not be sitting in our jails and our prisons. and so it's a two-pronged strategy. continue to grow the state. continue to make it stronger and stronger economically. and help to lift people out of the ditch where they are, bring them into the mainstream and give them an opportunity to realize their god-given purpose. i think it's entirely consistent with conservatism and republican philosophy. and i'm really pleased we're doing it. there are many people in ohio now whose lives, frankly, will be in a position of being able to move forward. >> you are up for election in november. according to the latest poll out there, you lead the executive
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democrat by five points. he says that flanked republicans in washington, your policies favor the wealthy at the expense of the have nots. with all of the income tax cuts, the top tax bracket for the wealthiest in ohio will be 50%. how do you respond? >> well, i don't respond to those political arguments. what i will tell you is that in our latest tax cut we have increased the earned income tax credit so people at the bottom are going to get more. and, in fact, we increased the standard deduction. this is interesting, chris. between zero and 40,000, we're increasing the standard deduction by $1,000. between 40 and 80,000, we're going to increase it 500. at the same time, we're bringing in the top rate down. this again kind of looks like a reagan philosophy. give tax relief from the bottom up. get that top rate down so we don't continue to drive the most
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successful out of our state and as we cut the income tax rate it helps small business because most small business people file their taxes as individuals. as those taxes come down, it gives them more space to invest in their equipment. it gives them more space to hire people. and we believe the small business is one of the greatest engines of economic growth in our state. so lowering taxes will help us. $12 billion has walked out of ohio to lower or no income tax state since 1995. and we aim to make ohio the best state in the country. >> governor, if you are re-elected, you would be an obvious candidate for the republican nomination for president in 2016. you went on the record this week as saying you are not interested in that. on the other hand, your owe poen end ed fitzgerald put up a website with a pledge that you will serve everyone who takes -- who gets elected, whoever gets lekted will serve a full four year term.
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why not sign that if you have no interest in running for president? >> chris, chris, let me just be clear. we brought ohio back from the brink of disaster. i mean we were down 350,000 jobs. now we're up almost a quarter million. we were $8 billion in the hole, now we're up a billion and a half. we have so much to do with workforce. we just put into play a third grade reading guarantee so kids are not socially pro ploeted to the point where they drop out. we have a major program -- >> respectfully, sir, can you answer the question? >> my only focus is now being re-elected and continuing to lift ohio, period. i don't fall for gimmicks & that. that's all silly politics. my direction and everything that i am committed to is our great buckeye state. and at the same time, if i could, i would suit up and try to help dayton in that round of the sweet 16. >> i'm about to get to that in a second. when you say you're not interested in running, are you flatly ruling out running in
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2016? >> my only focus, chris -- i don't know how many times i have to say this, i'm flattered about the fact that people talk about my running for president. you know, tried to run for president in the 2000 election and nobody would pay any attention. now all i'm focused on is ohio and everybody wants to talk about something else. i'm here in ohio. >> i want to talk about something else. march madness which you already started to get a plug in. you have to point out the fact dayton beat your alma mater. >> i know. >> ohio state in the first round. now they pulled off the big upset last night over syracuse. two questions. how are you feeling about dayton and how are your brackets? >> well, i haven't filled out a bracket. they asked me down in dayton what i thought about the dayton-syracuse game. here's what i said. you know, syracuse had a great run this year. but you also know that syracuse lately had trouble he being able to hit the three, being able to have really good shooting. i thought with dayton's depth and ability to shoot that they had a pretty good chance against
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syracuse. the next game which i think they'll play kansas, that will be a little tougher. in terms of ohio state, we've had a lot of glory here and we'll have it again. kind of nice to see a place like dayton get so excited. i guess the president of the university was crowd surfing down there, chris. >> i've never seen you crowd surf. i think that is in your future. >> well, i was going to say, if the politics thing doesn't work out, governor, you may have a sport commentating job in your future. the paper down there wrote "the" university of dayton. they're now the basketball power in the state. governor, thank you so much for coming in today. always a pleasure. we'll be talking with you soon. >> thank you, chris. thank you. when we come back, obamacare marks a big milestone. is it a cause for a celebration? $
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the real madness in march is if people have this opportunity for the first time for financial
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security and health security for themselves and their families and don't take advantage of it before the 31st of march. >> health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius still trying to reach out to young people as today we mark the fourth anniversary of president obama signing the affordable care act into law. and we're back now with the panel. the latest administration figure as of mid march is that $5 million people have now signed up on the obama care exchange. but they still won't say how many of them are the so-called young invincibles. they don't say how many of them were previously uninsured. they won't say how many of them have actually paid for their policies. laura, do you think they don't know, really don't know or just not saying? >> they can follow every keystroke on our computers. we don't think they know the facts on this? of course they do. look, if the facts were really good, i think jay carney would be crowing. the fact that, wow, we have 42%
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of young people have now signed up. they're paying premiums. we're on track. we might be a little low but we're strong and moving forward. i think they would do that. it doesn't make any sense for them not to tell us. but the fact is even among groups that are traditionally favorable to the president, latinos, for example, we've seen the numbers go up somewhat in the final push to march 31st, but still lagging way beyond behind what they want. and that's why obama as the russian troops are he massing goes on "ellen" and the internet, they're doing everything. they talk about march madness so we think she's really cool right now because she knows what march madness is. she probably picked stephen f. austin to go to the final four. >> they won the first round. >> right. she would have said they were in the final four. none of this is mattering. the fact you can throw-in some pop culture references and go on the cool comedy shows isn't going to change the fact that most young people are -- want choice. they want freedom. they don't want to be told what
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to do on hk. i think this is going to be a big, big problem in november. >> bob, you spent 40 years dealing with administrations trying to keep secrets. what do you make of their lack of knowledge, allegedly, about some of these things? generally speaking, what do you think of the rollout? >> first of all, you have to find people who are supporters of obamacare and ask them privately what do you really think? and just yesterday i talked to a physician very knowledgeable and involved, supporter of obamacare. i said so what is the bottom line? he said obamacare is like a car stuck in first gear. i said when is it going to get into second gear? he said the problem is that the transmission is in the shop for repairs. when does it get to second gear? and he said honestly, years. so it's not just years in terms of it working. i think it's somewhat maybe
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years certainly many months away from measuring what these real numbers are. a lot of the way the numbers are thrown around, what credibility do they have on either side? i think that is irrelevant. >> we haven't heard from you, paul, on obamacare as former head of the world bank. what do you think of how it is going so far? >> the world bank doesn't have much to do with this. you know, it seems to me i hear numbers. i think it is correct, five million people had policies canceled. usually some of that five million of new enrollees are people who got kicked out and back in. this is supposed to reduce the number of uninsured. it main creamay increase the nu. you have to pass the bill so you though what is in it. they passed the bill and there are so many changes, the authors don't even know what is in it. you can't reform 70% of the economy with 900 pages of legislation that nobody bothered to read. >> juan?
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>> you know, i'm just stunned when i hear all this. you look back and think what happened in the model that we had which is the republican model in massachusetts? nobody was paying attention to these kinds of very small, minute numbers about how many we have in this period and that period. the reason for this is the intense opposition to obamacare uniform on the part of republicans and the house and senate. and at this point, you have to say these folks are looking for a way to crater obamacare. you give this thing a few years to see does it work or doesn't it work? if you look at the opinion polls, the american people think, including republicans, not tea party republicans, but a majority of nontea party republicans say give it some time. we can fix this. we can make it work. republicans on their own are looking for alternatives to propose so they can say here's how we would appear the very deficient status quo. right now you have fewer people
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who are uninsured. you have more people able to get the senior and lower cost prescription drugs. the problem for the democrats is they have not been aggressive in saying this is a landmark achievement for the american people. and not being defensive because the critics are so persistent. >> how does that explain the fact that young people who voted overwhelmingly for obama and latino who's voted overwhelmingly for president obama are not russianihing to st his signature piece of legislation? they've been unified, for sure. but the president invested enormous amount of political capital, pr, he's gone on every television program known to man, michelle is helping out. she is still very popular. he's done everything to push this. and he is still personally popular. and it's not working. >> why do you think -- the old joke about, you know, the dogs don't like it in the end but is that what is going on here? >> people say, wait a second,
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they're saying i need the policies. but then they cancel policies. and now the policy seems to have a higher deductible than before. the deductibles are going way up for many americans. maybe not some subsets. and i think for that people say what am i doing here? i think it has been an abysmal failure for this president who staked his entire first term on it and re-elected by running against mitt romney, you're right, had the massachusetts miracle. >> we don't know. and the transmission is in the repair shop. and even juan who is supporting this and he makes some very good arguments, there are positives in this. aren't going to know for several years. >> wait. let me just say this. as we just pointed out, today is the fourth anniversary of that signing. four years later shouldn't we be further along? shouldn't the car be out of the shop? >> yes. the reality is it's not. so in a couple of years maybe
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he'll have a new president and relabel it hillarycare. >> there is a 90-day grace period that was handed down. a 90-day grace period that has to pay the premiums? who pays the premiums in the meantime? we have doctors and hospitals worried. that is one rule that is going to hurt. >> glad we settled that. thank you, panel. up next, our hower player of the week, a leading washington figure looking to make a difference in the lives of dreamers.
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it's a program supported by everyone from grover norquist to mark zuckerberg. the driving force is someone who is a major figure in washington for 35 years. here is our power player of the week. >> everybody else in high school class has access to these wonderful college aid programs that the united states provides. the dreamers are eligible for none of that. no state aid, no nothing. >> donald graham is co-founder of the dream.us. the nation's largest college scholarship program for young people brought to this country illegally by their parents. >> they're hard to settle for just being another generation without education.
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and i'm tired of it. >> an estimated 65,000 undocumented students graduate from high school each year. >> i'm not rise enough to know what united states immigration policy should be. it's better for the country as well as for them if they have a chance to become nurses than to do work in the shadows all their lives. >> he's talking about young people like alicia who was born in mexico. >> the scholarship is just going to change my life and my family and so i'm very, very happy. >> or araselli from new york who wants to be a nurse or pediatrician but spent the last three years working as a janitor. >> it's better for the country if people like her if she has an opportunity to care for children instead of sweeping floors. >> along with bush commerce secretary and others, graham raised $25 million from the gates foundation, bloob philanthropies and other groups. that's enough to give 1,000 dreamers $25,000 each. to get them through four years
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at low cost, high quality schools like miami-dade college. >> we will pay full tuition for dreamers who want to complete job related programs so we're going to be graduating nurses, teachers. >> don graham is head of the family that owned "the washington post." his first job in town was as a policeman. in 1999, he became chairman of the dc college access program which helped double the number of local high school kids who went to college. >> there's a lot of things you can do in your community to help people. i think helping low income kids get to and finish college is about as good as it gets. >> at age 68, graham is taking on this new project just months after his family sold "the washington post" to amazon chief jeff baez oes following years of declining revenue. >> it was just as difficult as you think it is. >> on a personal level, does it
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still hurt? >> oh, yeah. you know, i'm disappointed in myself. i wish i figured out a way to make the newspaper business work but i didn't. >> graham has figured out a new way to make a difference. >> $25,000 is a very low price to give someone a chance to succeed in life. i think once they graduate they'll be huge contributors to their families but also to this society. >> don graham says there are 600,000 dreamers who qualify for the scholarships. he wants to raise as much money as possible to give more young people their chance. and that's it for today. have a great week. and we'll see you next "fox news sunday."
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