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>> i'm chris wallace. the massacre at a black church sparks new calls for gun control. >> at some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of violence does not happen in other advanced countries. >> we'll get a live update from charleston and discuss race and gun violence with our sunday group. politics and religion intersect as conservatives clash with pope francis over climate change. >> i don't get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope. >> as a catholic i take
teachings from the pope about religion and not about other issues. >> we'll discuss the pope's message on global warming and politics of his september visit to the u.s. with cardinal donald wuerl, the archbishop of washington. plus, rick perry retools his image for another run at the white house. >> yeah, it's time for a reset. time to reset the relationship between government and citizens. >> we sit down with governor rick perry to talk about his presidential bid. it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive and our power figure of the week. >> as a parent i can understand why there are concerns about testing. >> all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again. happy father's day from fox news in washington. on this first sunday after the massacre at a black church the
mourning for the nine victims continues in charleston and across the nation. the shooting has reignited old debates over race and gun control. in a few minutes we'll discuss all of that with our panel. but first, we want to bring in rich who has the latest from charleston. >> reporter: worshippers are gathering here at emmanuel ame church as they do every sunday for regular services so this only four days after a gunman opens fire killing nine in emmanuel ame church. since then hundreds of thousands from those around the city country women, men black white, paying respects leaving cards, flowers and prayers. >> there's no divide right now. we like to say that there is divide when there is conflict. right now our differences are placed aside and we're united. we're one. >> i couldn't be anywhere else on a sunday morning but right here to let these guys know
their grace in such a horrific time has shown the world that hate will not win. >> reporter: now the focus is on the accused killer. dylann roof. they are looking into a website that is a nod to government in the south of africa that was a racist regime and fell in 1979. on that website there were pictures posted showing dylann roof, photos of him burning an american flag posing with a confederate flag and a number of poses of him with a gun. >> rich, thanks for that. we want to discuss this week's terrible events with our sunday panel. gop strategist karl rowe, donna edwards, chief political correspondent for the conservative review and former
democratic senator evan. there are aspects to this tragedy. the long painful history of attacks on black churches, the racist manifesto and chilling pictures and issue of gun control. congresswoman edwards, let me start with you. what are your thoughts about the massacre in charleston? >> it did take me back. i remember as a little girl when the 16th street baptist church was bombed in birmingham and i remember being afraid of going to church. >> we should say 1963. four little girls were killed in that bombing. >> that's right. i think for so many of us the pain and the history of violence that's happened in our churches, it was a reminder again that we still have a lot of work to do in this country and to see those lives lost, a state senator, a pastor, a librarian, a coach.
part of the fabric of the community. all of us have work to do on race and i don't think it's inappropriate for us to talk about what we need to do to get and keep guns out of the hands of people who would commit such a tragedy. >> there was another extraordinary scene on friday at dylan dylann roof's first court hearing. some of the relatives of the victims directly confronted him. we want to play a clip. here it is. >> i will never be able to hold her again. i forgive you. have mercy on your soul. >> your thoughts about what happened in charleston? >> it's heartbreaking. my thoughts and prayers are by those directly affected and also
our country as a whole affected by this. i'm in awe of how the family members were able to come out and show forgiveness and show compassion and given what they have been up against and what they have experienced, it's amazing to me their faith in god and their actions are rebranding the image. what we have witnessed from what happened in charleston, forgiveness and love and compassion these individuals have shown with this instance is help rebranding to the world that black americans are hard working, god fearing americans. >> when president obama first spoke about the shooting, he brought up the issue of gun control but he seemed to concede there was almost no chance congress would do something or anything about it.
then on friday he pushed back against that saying that he is not giving up on that issue. >> we don't know it would have prevented what happened in charleston. no reform can guarantee the elimination of violence but we might still have some more americans with us. we might have stopped one shooter. >> senator, was it appropriate because there's some questioning of that? was it appropriate for the president to bring up gun control just hours after the shooting and do you agree with his initial assessment whether he wants to give up or not that there's no chance congress is going to pass meaningful gun control. >> i don't think the president was playing politics with this chris. i really don't. taken in full context of his remarks, he was raising the issue of how do we deal with violence and residual problems with race in our society. i don't think it was inappropriate. with regard to him what do we do
about race and that sort of things our panels mentioned i can't imagine a more powerful rebuttal to racism as in quality of the people who lost their lives and more importantly the reaction of their loved it was almost unimaginable grace in the face of tragedy. hopefully that will serve an important role in helping to heal some of the wounds that exist. >> karl, whether you agree with the president on gun control or not, you certainly have to agree with him that we see these cases of mass violence way too often and we see them more often in the united states than in other advanced countries. i mean, you know you are in a position to say what do we do about it whether it's government, whether it's community, whether it's family how do we stop the violence? >> i wish i had an easy answer for that. i don't think there's any easy answer. we saw an act of evil, racist bigoted evil. to me the amazing thing about
this is it was met with grief and love. think about how far we've come. 1963. the whole weight of the government throughout the south was to impede finding and holding and bringing to justice the men who perpetrated the bombing and here we saw an entire state an entire community, an entire nation come together grieving as one united in the belief that this was an evil act. we have come a long way. maybe there's some magic law that will keep us from having more of these. the only way to guarantee that we would dramatically reduce acts of violence involving guns is to basically remove guns from society and until somebody gets enough to repeal the second amendment, that's not going to happen. there were so many warning since here. a friend who knew of what was in dylann roof's heart. parents who didn't pay
attention. a community that had given up on him. a loner who had fallen into the clutches of racist organizations and had come to believe in their ideology and put things up on the internet that we didn't give any credence to whatsoever. there were a lot of warning signs here and i wish that some of those people had spoken up and said here's somebody who is in trouble and a danger to himself and others. >> congresswoman edwards i want to pick up on both things that karl said. one of the things that struck me and all of our minds those of us old enough remember '63 and the bombing in birmingham and remember there wasn't universal shock and hatred. not that people celebrated it. but people weren't going to join in trying to find the killers and the reaction in south carolina this week you know from members of that congregation to the white governor of the state was just
universal shock and horror and everybody gathered together to try to catch this young man in a very short amount of time. one, isn't that progress and, two, you know a lot of people knew this kid was off the track. his family knew. his friends knew. not to blame them but how do we somehow have a circuit breaker when somebody is headed in such a wrong direction to stop him? >> i think it's true that when you look at the response from every elected official on down to law enforcement at the national level, everyone responded in exactly the right way to bring this young man to the pathway toward justice. i think that the challenge for us is that if the only thing that can come out of this is that next week when congress reconvenes that we engage in yet another moment of silence i think that would be really unfortunate and so while we've come an awful long way whether
it's on race or other issues, we can see played out in our streets whether it was emmanuel ame church in south carolina streets of baltimore, ferguson and all of the rest that we have a lot of challenges to make sure that our communities are whole and that people have the kind of opportunity that doesn't allow us to feel that someone is taking something away in order for all of us as americans to gain and i think while karl pointed out there were a lot of warning signs. tons of warning signs. the question is what do we do with those warning signs. the crazy guy is always going to be there. what can we do to keep the gun out of the hand of that person? >> thank you, panel. we'll see you later in the program. up next, pope francis calls for dramatic action on climate change. some politicians in this country push back against his message.
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planet. cardinal donald wuerl joins us. welcome back to "fox news sunday." pope francis puts this in the starkest terms. he says we're turning our precious earth into "an immense pile of filth" and that much of it is because of human activity. he basically says it's a moral issue now. >> it really is. i think one of the really strong parts of this is he starts with what we're all aware of and what's going on around the world. the diminishment of water the fact that we're destroying the rain forest, all of those terrible, terrible things. we're all aware of that. and the suffering of poor people because of this. then he goes on to say i invite everybody, i invite people in every walk of life those who have authority over so many areas of life to come together and talk about how we resolve
how we face, how we address it and then he says and we bring a moral dimension. that's what the church brings. that's what he brings to this discussion. >> the pope frames this as part of his -- fair to say -- continuing critique of the global market economy. he writes this. "whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interest of the market which become the only rule." >> isn't that a fact that if you don't have a moral frame of reference, you only are driven by your own self-interest. whether it's economics. whether it's politics. whether it's finance. everything has a moral dimension to it because it's human and what the pope is holding up for us is we can't just close in on ourselves, our own personal interests, our economic or financial interests or political
interests. we have to look at this through the moral dimension of how does this affect everybody on the planet. >> not surprisingly some political figures are pushing back. here is former governor and devout catholic jeb bush. >> first of all, pope francis is an extraordinary leader. i don't get economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or pie pope. >> cardinal, your response? >> i think that's a legitimate position to say i don't get policy from the church, from the pope. i would hope that no politician gets policy from his faith community. what we get is the moral frame of reference by which we arrive at those policy positions. the pope is talking about what should we be doing, not here is a political agenda that you must
accept. i think that's the richness of his contribution to all of this. there is a human dimension to everything we do and that, therefore, carries with it a moral and ethical dimension. the pope is simply saying whether you're a politician, a financier economist, industrialist, whatever, you are look at the consequences of what you're doing through the lens of humanity and through the moral obligation to include everyone in the effort to have a truly good and just society. >> the pope has bigger things on his mind than american politics, some american conservatives say he is choosing sides. cardinal, forgive me because this is going to get a little salty. >> essentially what this papal encyclical is suggesting is that everyone should vote for the democratic party.
how in the hell else do you interpret it when the pope sounds like al gore on global warming and climate change. >> i never thought i would ask you this. how do you respond to rush limbaugh? >> this is one of the great blessings of america, isn't it? we're all allowed to speak our mind even if we don't have all of the facts. even if we don't have a clear view of what the other person is saying. we're all allowed to speak our mind and that's what he's doing. i think what the pope is doing is something very, very different from that. he's saying why don't we all discuss this? why don't we all come to the table and before we start eliminating other people from the discussion, denouncing them or ridiculing them why don't we listen to them and see what they're saying and see where we ought to be going as a human family. >> let's discuss some of the substantive questions or even criticism of the pope's message. while the holy father says a
number of scientific studies hold the world is warming and human activity is a major role, there are certainly experts on the other side who question whether there is a consistent pattern of warming opposed to just the variations of climate over the ages and how much human activity plays a role. what the pope say to those people? >> i think what he is saying in the encyclical is we have to realize that there are these terrible results. he's not indicating what is the cause of every single disaster around the world, ecological disaster, but he's saying we need to start looking at this. i come from western pennsylvania. i can tell you that strip mining left a disastrous wake and this is what the holy father is lifting up for us saying we need to look at this because there are human factors in all of
these ecological disasters. >> the pope also very much puts this in the frame of the fact that all of this environmental dispoilation hurts the poor most of all. they pay the biggest price. some skeptics say you're asking us to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to take actions which may cause jobs to be lost, which are going to have a minute effect on the environment. it may lower it a tenth of 1% and spend that money instead on malaria nets on vaccination, on crop improvement. what does the pope say to that? >> i think he's looking long-term. while he's saying there's an urgency to this issue, the urgency is that we begin to talk about it address it, put our minds together to resolve it. he's not saying that we have to resolve this tomorrow by doing
specific things. and i think the starting point is for us to remember any time you address a worldwide problem it's going to take time to resolve. i think back to the days of the encyclical on human labor in 1891. there were those who rejected it outright saying if we start treating workers the way the church is asking us, our profits will be cut. our ability to compete will be cut. we learned over years and over decades when people thrive, the whole planet thrives. >> the pope visits the united states in september. he's going to speak to congress. he's going to speak to the united nations and while liberals are generally celebrating his comments on the environment conservatives note that in this encyclical he also wrote this "since everything is interrelated, concern for the protection of nature is also
incomparable with the justification of abortion." does the pope worry that his trip is becoming too political and people will pick and choose i like this part of what he says and this part of what he says or does he embrace the opportunity to spread his message? >> he probably recognizes as popes have always had to recognize certainly as we bishops have to recognize, there are those who take part of what we say and there are others that take another part of what we say. we have to keep saying the whole package. we have to keep delivering the entire package. i think that's what the pope does. he takes joy in it when you see him delivering a talk, a homily, you see him in the midst of people he takes great joy in representing the whole faith. the whole package. but there will always be some discussion among people what part they like best and for
somewhat part they're going to accept. the obligation on all of us if we're true members of the church and new followers of the lord we take the lord's message even when there are parts of it we're uncomfortable with. >> in that sense, and in the sense of embracing controversy and pushing boundaries he's a different kind of pope isn't he, with a different sense of his mission. >> that's how this encyclical opens doesn't it? an invitation. this is an invitation to talk about all of these problems. and he invites everybody. he says everybody of good will i invite to sit and let's talk about how we're going to resolve this as opposed to here are some things we all ought to do to resolve that. it's very invitational. don't you think that's the reason he's so popular? people feel they're being invited back into a discussion of the lord of discipleship of
what it means to embrace the gospel and live it. >> cardinal wuerl, thank you for coming in today sir. >> thank you. >> we'll stay on top of this important debate. >> thank you. up next, rick perry 2.0. can the presidential candidate undo the mistakes of his 2012 campaign? the former texas governor joins us next. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? it's red, white and blue. log on to learn more.
but that ended quickly after a series of gaffs especially forgetting in a debate one of three government agencies he wanted to eliminate. now the former texas governor is running again and says he learned from all that. governor perry, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> good to be with you. thank you. >> let's start with the elephant in the room. i think you would agree your embarrassing run for president in 2012. what happened? >> we weren't healthy. i had major back surgery. i didn't prepare properly. i think the real issue there was i thought being governor of the state of texas for 12 years was enough preparation to run for presidency and the fact of the matter is there is nothing like it. until you've done it you don't realize what a challenge it is. these broad array of issues you need to have more than just passing knowledge of. >> what did you learn? >> you have to be healthy and you have to prepare. it takes years of preparation i
would suggest to you whether it's sitting down with real experts on foreign policy, people like richard fisher and george schultz and henry kissinger and individuals who have deep knowledge of what's going on in the world and absorbing it and studying it and keeping this up for a lengthy period of time. i feel comfortable sitting on stage that i can have those conversations and regurgitate that information in a way that i know and america will see a different candidate than they did four years ago. >> on friday you were talking about the shooting in charleston and you said accident when you meant incident. it was clearly a slip of the tongue. social media went nuts, which raises the question which i thought for some time don't you have to run almost a perfect campaign because if you make any mistake that any other candidate would be ignored people will
say, whoops, that's rick perry again. >> they won't ignore anybody whether it's hillary clinton calling a reporter by the wrong name within the last 24 hours or me calling you mike instead of chris. people are going to make mistakes and people know that. what people want to see is someone who truly has a vision for this country. who has a record. i will lay my record out 14 years as chief executive of the 12th largest economy in the world and that economic record my military history not only of wearing the uniform of this country but having been the commander in chief of the texas military forces, texas national guard, my dealing with things like the border, like ebola with massive hurricanes. that's a record the people are going to look at. are they going to say, listen, you said one word when you meant another one. social media can do what they want to do with that. when you get down to it, record is what's going to matter in this election. >> one more campaign question and we'll get into issues. you're focusing on iowa where
you have been since 2012 31 days. in recent polls you are now running 11th in iowa after 31 days at 3%, which raises the question, governor, realistically, do you have a chance to win or is this campaign more about personal redemption showing people that you're not the rick perry of 2012? >> i will tell you what the governor of iowa said as late as 72 hours ago when he was asked about who was spending time in iowa. he said rick perry has a powerful organization and he has spent the time in this state. >> so why are you at 3%? >> this is a process. rudy giuliani led through '07 and '08. i just try to remind people don't get hung up on today's poll. let's see what it looks like in january. we'll talk about a vision for this country that's positive and
very forward leaning and looking and people are going to get behind that and like that. >> you are running on a strong populous message this time. here's a clip from your announcement statement. >> the american people see this red game where insiders get rich and middle class pays the tab. there is something wrong when the dow is near record highs and businesses on main street can't get a loan. >> governor, you sound like bernie sanders. >> i said i'm like a young man that grew up on a dryland cotton form that understands what it's like to work hard. in today's world a lot of americans are out there going, wait a minute what are these people on wall street getting rich for? who is going to bail me out? >> middle class warfare, isn't that what republicans always -- >> that's common sense. what is wrong is washington bailing out companies that make bad decisions. that's a reason we have bankruptcy laws. i think the american people want to see fairness in that.
they don't want to see somebody that's on wall street somebody that's got connections in that capitol building over there be the only ones with protection in this country. they're looking for an individual who grew up in a house that used an outhouse. my mom bathed me on a back porch in a number two wash tub. someone that's had to work to get to somewhere in life and it wasn't given to him on a silver platter. americans are ready for a great success story and to know that their kid -- we've got a social compact with one generation to the next. americans don't believe that's possible today. i want to give them possible that it really is possible by leveling that playing field. >> is it right or fair to bash the rich? do you want to limit what people on wall street make? do you want to tax them more? are you saying we want to limit the gains in the dow. you talk about the dow being at an all-time high. there are working folks who have their retirement investments and savings in the stock market.
>> people want to see fairness. when you see the rules that are in place nowadays and you see exemptions people want to see a fair tax rate and keep more of what they work for. in the 12th largest economy of the world state of texas that i had a privilege to be the chief executive of for the last 14 years, we made a state that allowed people to have jobs an environment that allowed them to keep more of what they worked for. that's what americans want. they would like to see the same thing and they don't see that today. they see wall street getting bailed out. they see general motors getting bailed out. >> you say wall street getting bailed out. they got bailed out during a specific time when we had a huge financial crisis. would you have let wall street collapse? people say the financial system would have collapsed. >> let me explain that people feel like what's happening in washington is hurting them. dodd-frank regulations. we have fewer community banks than in 2007.
there are middle americans, farmers in iowa, who use those community banks. you see these regulations that are strangling their ability to get a loan. that's what i'm talking about. that's what people see as washington being disconnected with what's really going on on main street. >> one more question of looking out for the little guy. when you were governor of texas, your state had the highest uninsured rate in the country. more than one in five texans didn't have health coverage and yet you refuse to set up a state exchange under obamacare. you refused to expand medicaid. is that looking out for the little guy when 21% of texans didn't have health insurance? >> how you keep score is how many people you force to buy insurance, i would say that's how you keep score. >> the flip side of it how many people don't have health insurance. >> let me explain what we do in texas. this is a state by state decision. we make access to healthcare the real issue.
we passed the most sweeping tort reform in the nation. this is an issue about access to healthcare. and it's not about whether you force somebody to buy insurance. it's whether texans have access to good healthcare. we have texas medical center and physicians are showing up in places that we didn't have physicians to do those subspecialties ten years ago that we do today. >> don't you as governor for 14 years don't you feel some responsibility when 21% of the people in your state didn't have health insurance? >> that's not how we keep score. it's a fallacy to say access to healthcare is all about insurance. what we happen to say in the state of texas is we're going to try to make as assessable as we can good quality healthcare. do you think all those people moved to the state of texas because somehow know they couldn't get healthcare? 5.6 million people added to the
population rolls and 1.5 million jobs created between 2007 and 2014. that's what people care about. they know they can come to the state of texas and have access to really good healthcare and government was not going to force them to buy insurance. >> finally at the end of these interviews we try to get off the issues and try to get some personal insight into the person, man or woman i'm talking to. at your announcement a couple weeks ago the lone survivor was there alongside you. i bet a lot of people don't know that long before the book or the movie and all of his fame, that he showed up on your door at the governor's mansion in 2007 and he was in trouble. >> he was. he had separated from the service. he had some real challenges physically mentally. he was looking for a safe
harbor. he found it with rim and anita perry. >> what did you do for him? >> we brought him. we intervened. he had been separated but not given full medical discharge. he wasn't available for tri-care. i intervened up to the secretary of the navy. and to his credit he engaged in this process and we were able to get him eligible for tri-care to have surgeries and intervention that he needed. >> if i may because we're running out of time here, more than that, you said in your announcement he's a second son. >> we became and still are incredibly close to him. we brought him in. my wife is a nurse. so we worked very closely with him. he literally lived with us for two plus years and we took care of him and we've seen him now become a very healthy, very successful dad and a great american. >> governor perry thank you. good to talk with you again.
>> always a good interview with you, sir. >> thank you. we'll see you on the campaign trail. >> lord willing. up next, the gop field got even more crowded this week with jeb bush and donald trump getting into the race. we'll bring our sunday group back to discuss where the campaign stands now. and what would you like to ask the panel about donald trump actually running for president? just go to facebook or twitter and we may use your question on the air. as the company that's all about printing. but did you know we also support hospitals using electronic health records for more than 30 million patients? or that our software helps over 20 million smartphone users remotely configure e-mail every month? or how about processing nearly $5 billion in electronic toll payments a year? in fact, today's xerox is working in surprising ways to help companies simplify the way work gets done and life gets lived. with xerox, you're ready for real business.
>> not one of us deserves the job by right of resume, party, seniority, family or family narrative. it's nobody's turn. it's everybody's test and it's wide open. exactly as the contest for president should be. >> jeb bush this week formally getting into the presidential race and pushing back at criticism he's running on his family name. we're back now with the panel.
karl bush clearly hasn't scared other candidates out of the race. we're going to end up with about 15 or 16. he clearly hasn't broken away in the polls. what does he need to do and what are his biggest challenges? >> first of all, nobody should expect someone to break away in the polls. if you look at the last nine republican presidential primary contests going back to 1964, they take two different shapes. in four of them someone led by double digits at this point and in five of them someone led by single digits. we're in the single digit territory and we'll remain throughout a lot of this contest until people start going to vote. if you look underneath the surface, there's a brand new "wall street journal"/nbc poll out. if you take a look at the people who say i can see myself voting for that person, five people have done well since this question began to be asked in march. jeb bush has gone up 26 points from 49% saying they could support him to 75.
marco rubio from 56 to 24. mike huckabee from 52 to 65. and ted cruz from 40 to 51. those are five winners among the 16 people in the poll. so obviously something is going on underneath there. he went on to say i have to earn it and he has to lay out a concrete optimistic conservative agenda and demonstrate he's willing to go in places republicans don't normally go and able to show that he's got the chops to be the candidate who can beat hillary clinton. >> senator, how do you assess jeb bush if he were to win the republican nomination? would he be the strongest candidate the gop could put up against clinton? >> if he runs as a successful former governor reformed conservative, he's got a good narrative, chris. my guess is that really their
strongest candidate would be somebody who embodies the future, something different and new. what i sense is that is what people are looking for. that may be a scott walker. it may be a marco rubio if he can project what people are looking for but i think a clinton/bush race would be very, very close. i think hillary would have an advantage in that because it will be tough for jeb to stand for the future, something done a dynamic and something different. >> donald trump got into the race this week and almost immediately started taking off after his republican rivals. starting with jeb bush. here he is. >> he looks very unhappy to me. he doesn't look like a person that wants to be doing this. >> scott walker? >> the problem with wisconsin is having a lot of problems. they are doing not well. and there's a tremendous amount of debt being piled up and they're having a lot of difficulty. >> we asked you for questions for the panel and we got this on facebook from richard who
writes why should anyone care about trump running other than the damage he causes stirring up the gop fringe. how do you answer richard and how much trouble do you think trump is going to cause the gop? >> i look at trump as the uber of today. uber has disrupted the taxi cab industry. so we'll see what happens as this all unfolds. i think trump -- i'm not endorsing anyone -- he's someone that could be viewed as a problem solver. when you look at someone like jeb bush, for example he's someone that's been out of the game for a while. the polls are a reflection of who he is. i think bush will have a problem trying to really fire up the conservative base because of his views on common core and immigration which is something that donald trump can come after bush against. so i think that's something that will be of concern. donald trump, who knows what's going to happen with politics, anything is possible. >> but do you worry at all as a conservative, as a republican,
when trump and his announcement speech talks about mexicoans coming over the border are rapes rapists and criminals, is that helpful? >> some of his comments are not helpful at all. we'll see how this plays out. we'll see if he dials it back from what he said before. who knows. >> who knows. >> isn't that the truth. on the democratic side, the big story this week is what people are calling bernie mentum. bernie sanders is running around the country attracting huge crowds. in the latest new hampshire only ten points behind hillary clinton. congresswoman edwards, how do you explain that? >> right now we're in an environment where the democratic
activist base is paying attention to politics. it's important that the message that bernie sanders has is one that is challenging for hillary clinton to respond to and to define herself if she wants to get our nomination and so i am actually glad that we're having this play out right now because i think it will make our nominee at the end of the day and i believe it will make our nominee a stronger one. >> do you think it shows concern on the left side of the democratic party with whether clinton is to sentcentrist? >> we see her defining her candidacy which is not her husband's presidency. i think we're hearing that. we are hearing concern from families and children and working people, concerns around
inequality and around race and criminal justice and i think it's important that the left and all of our party hear that message so that we can rally behind a nominee so that we can retake the white house. >> karl, let me ask you a couple questions. how should republicans handle donald trump? >> ignore him. he's completely off the base. i'm going to negotiate with isis? i have a secret plan to deal with isis. i can't tell you about it because of my enemies. as president i have unilateral authority to levy a tax on any company. as of 5:00 he had yet to file a one-page declaration of his candidacy with fcc. once he does that that triggers a 30-day period in which he lays out in ex-cruciateing liability.
he will delay filing that piece of paper and mark my words, he will delay and ask for extensions as long as possible. he'll be a serious candidate. we ought to treat him as a serious candidate when he files that declaration and commits himself to unveiling all of his assets. >> are you suggesting that he may not run? >> he got into the race on tuesday and by friday he still couldn't file a one-page piece of paper that required his name and address and signature on it. >> what does the excitement over bernie sanders tell you about hillary clinton? >> i'm in agreement with the congresswoman. it might surprise her. hillary clinton understands that the left of the democratic party does not trust her and she made an announcement speech this week in which she said i'm not going to be bill. i'm going to be more like barack obama. in fact, i'm going to be to the left of barack obama. and that's going to be great opportunity for the republicans and general election because there's no way to climb back from being on the left wing of the democratic party by the time of the general election. >> thank you, panel. see you all next sunday. up next, our power player of the
a look at the oakland bay bridge across the way from san francisco. common core was started by governors and state education officials as a way to set standards for our children's education. but it's become a hot political issue with concerns over federal interference and whether it's the best way to teach kids.
we went to see one group that's testing how common core works. here's our power player of the week. >> i think it's vital that we set a high standard for kids because if we build it, they will come. if we expect a lot of kids, they rise to the occasion. >> laura is the ceo of park, the partnership for assessment of readiness for college and careers. it's one of two nonprofits set up by states to test how students are measuring up to common core education standards. >> these are different kinds of tests. they measure critical thinking, problem solving, writing, and they actually ask kids to do more than fill in bubbles. >> 5 million kids in 12 states from third grade through high school took the test for the first time this spring. slover had me answer some of the third grade reading questions which i found challenging. >> put the events in order --
>> drag this down? >> a number of republicans running for president have already weighed in on common core and the tests and given them a flunking grade. >> i'm still for high standards. common core is never supposed to be a top down government run approach. >> the federal government has no business dictating the curriculum of schools. >> the main complaint is this is a federal takeover of schools. >> states make all of the decisions from design to development to administration. >> it's more complicated than that. president obama's race to the top program gives states grants based on their adopting standards like common core. another issue, tens of thousands of parents and students across the country are refusing to take the tests. >> as a parent i can understand why there are concerns about testing. >> but she wants her child
taking the tests which lasts more than eight hours over several days, for a third grader. >> i want to be sure she's learning and reading at grade level and is prepared for the next grade. >> teacher unions worry it will be used to evaluate their performance. they will keep adjusting. for instance next year the tests will be 90 minutes shorter. but she says the basic principle is sound. >> for too long in this country success has been really a function of what income level parents have and where kids grow up. we think it's critical that kids all have opportunities whether they live in mississippi or massachusetts or colorado or ohio. they should have access to an excellent education and this is a step in the right direction. >> whether it's a step in the right direction is of course be
debatable debatable. you can expect common core to be an issue in the republican presidential campaign. last season we declared ourselves the official sunday show of the washington nationals. yesterday matt scherzer was one strike away from a perfect game when he clipped a pittsburgh pirate batter and then this happened. >> 0-2 pitch. a ball hit deep to left. taylor going back. and max scherzer has a no-hitter. >> scherzer pitched the second no-hitter in nats history. in his last start he pitched a one hitter. congratulations to max and go nats. that's it for today. to all of you dads out there happy father's day. to my kids be sure to call your dad. have a great week. we'll see you next "fox news sunday."
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