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i'm chris wallace. terror attacks around the world renew post-9/11 fears about whether it could happen here. >> our highest priority is and will remain the security of our homeland and safety of all americans. >> we will not be intimidated, and we will not live in fear. plus the intense debate in washington over accepting syrian refugees. >> apparently they're scared of widows and orphans. >> if you just get one or two or three wrong, you've got a big problem. we'll talk with republican presidential candidate senator marco rubio about what he would do if he were commander in
chief. then conservative radio talk show host rush limbaugh in a rare television interview. it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive interview. and the first "fox news sunday" international poll since the attack in paris. our sunday group weighs in on how the focus on security will reshape the presidential race. and "power player of the week." >> i talked about how i would tell my family. all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. a week after the paris terror attacks, the still radio el mains eye high alert. in belgium, they raised the terror alert in the capital of brussels to its highest level, warning of an imminent threat.
in malli, security forces are reportedly hunting for more than three suspects in the deadly hotel attack. greg kalkot is live in paris. greg? >> authorities in brussels are now saying they are worried about a paris-style terror attack there. that is why, for the second day running, the belgians capital is on lockdown. troops and armored vehicles are out in force. the city's subways, malls and other places are off-limits, definitely related to the ongoing search for the eighth attacker in the paris terrorist salah abdellsman, and is described, in the former french colony in malli, authorities are seeking the suspects in the hotel attack.
an al qaeda-linked group in the region has claimed responsibility. several were sill, including anita datar, mother of an 8-year-old son. finally back here in france, authorities remain on a wartime footing. in the past week, they have launched close to 1,000 anti-terror raids nationwide, have detained over 100 suspects and have seen some 200 weapons. this week, french president hollande meets with president obama in wavlgt. russian president putin in moscow as well as leader of eu countries and all this said to bolster a coalition-fighting isis. >> greg palkot, thanks for that. the first fox news national poll since the terror attack shows how that that is reshaped
the race since early november november. donald trump has widened his lead, but marco rubio and ted cruz are also on rise, threatening to overtake a slumping ben carson s rubio tops the candidates as to who is honest and trustworthy, just above ben carson, and when it comes to how gop candidates run against clinton, rubio does the best. joining me from the campaign trail is the republican playing the hottest hand, senator marco rubio. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you. thanks for having me back. >> i know that you have a plan for how to fight isis. i want to put it up on the screen. you say expand air strikes, embed u.s. forces, oust al assad, and provide arms directly to sunni and kurdish forces, but
senator, i want to ask you another specific question. in addition to that, would you also commit uss combat troops on the ground to fighting isis? >> well, one of the graphs that's missing in that plan is we need a ground force that defeats isis, made up primary arab-sunnis. they have to be defeated by arab sunnis themselves. there would have to be american operators embedded alongside them the special operators are combat troops. we're not talking about 100,000 or 50,000 armed soldiers, but we are talking about a significant force with specific missions that will have to be embedded that this president and the united states must put together if we are to defeat isis on the ground. it's the only way to do it. they have to be defeated by a ground force and have to be made up primarily of sunnis. >> surclearly one of the foreign policy hawks in the current field, but some of your
opponents note that back in 2013, when bashar al assad, the syrian dictator used chemical weapons, crossed the red line and used chemical weapons against his own people, you voted against the use of force allowing president obama to use force against assad. why is that, sir? >> well, first of all, i don't support air strikes again assad now. no one is calling for those now. i thought number one, it would be counterproductive, especially the way many the president was describing the strikes. we you should only take military action if you have a clear objective and providing the resources necessary to win. i offered an alternative. i clearly outlined what we should be doing instead, including increased sanctions against institutions that are propping up assad, and -- to
topple assad, but also to ensure novak consumes were being created for groups like isis and others to take hold. i felt that air strikes, and i still do, against assad at the time would have been counterproductive. he would have survived, would have remained in power and strengthsened his hand, that he had taken on the united states and still held on. in fact may have rallied some to his side as a result of such a strike. those are the reasons i thought that should not have been the appropriate response at the time. if military response is the appropriate response,ly support it. in the case of isis, i -- it is the appropriate response, but no one is calling on air strikes on assad now, and i thought it was wrong then, too. >> the specific issue was the president had set the red line, and a lot of people thought it hurt u.s. credibility not to follow up on his promise and authorize the use of force. here was the
reasoning back in 2013, sir. >> i have never supported the use of u.s. military force in
this conflict, and i still don't. i remain unconvinced that the use of force proposed here will work. >> and some question the fact that is in voting against authorizing force you were voting along with rand paul, who you now call a committed isolationist. >> well, but for very different reasons. senator paul doesn't want us not to conduct air strikes. he didn't want us to do anything. >> i arced that the red line being crossed should have meant the u.s. should have openland and i can't luv i engaged in identified non-jihadist elements on the ground that were trying to topple assad and empower them not just to topple assad, but to govern the country in its aftermath. i thought that should have been the response even before the president laid out the red line. once he used chemical weapons, i thought that for sure would have triggered that response. now russia has moved into the region and they radical jihadists have taken the advantage that was left behind.
so it is true we had the same vote, but for very different reasons. i called for us to
do other things indeed and senator paul and others said for us not to do anything at all. we've seen the result of that. >> senator, let's turn to what's become a very hot issue this last week. that's the question of what to do about the syrian refugees. you've put out a pretty form line. you say you want to block the admittance of any syrian refugees, because frankly you don't feel we have the database to vet them properly. does that mean you will vote against the bill that was passed in the house overwhelmingly which would allow syrian ref jeans into the country but under tightened security. >> my argument is we can't allow anyone into this country that we cannot vet. a 5-year-old orphan, a 90-year-old widow, and
well-known chaldean priest, you can clearly vet them. but what about someone who does not fit that profile. there is no government institution in their home country we can call up and run them against. we cannot vet most of these people. the house bill i think is an appropriate response. >> the house bill isn't going to create the databases that you say aren't there. >> the house bill will require both of direct ovr of the fbi and of homeland security to personally certify each person being admitted has been fully vetted and they're confident they're not going to be terrorists. they won't be able to do that in most cases. even they will tell you in private conversations and some have said it publicly, we do not have the capability today to fully vet people coming from that region of the world. we just don't have the access to that information to allow us to to do that. >> critics say you and all the
other republicans are misleading the american people about how detail the vetting process is. they note that the u.n. in and out checks syrian refugees in refugee camps in the region for 4 to 10 months, then u.s. officials pick up the vetten, and screen them for 18 to 24 months, and they say giving how easy it is for those refugees to get into europe, why would an isis operative wait three year to try to get into the u.s.? >> well, that question answers itself. the united states is the ultimate prize in their mind. if isis is ability to conduct a successful operation in u.s. or even canada for that matter, it would be an enormous bonanza of funding, but also recruits from all over the world, and continue to grow their movement. the second point is it's not that the vetting is not extensive. it is, it's that the databases don't exist. you're compares them to
information that you have acquired. in the case of people coming from that pardon of the world, we have even less information about people coming from syria than we did with the iraqi refugees after the aftermath of that war. it's not that the vetting doesn't happen. the vetting does not very reliable data to compare it against. that's the problem. let me switch subjects, which is your rising standing in the polls, as we pointed out in the latest fox news national poll you're in and out tied for third place, and you've risen just in month. in iowa the clear politics average has you third at 12.8%. in new hampshire you're running second to donald trump at 12.3%, and senator, you have a new ad out which focuses on the fight against isis. here's a clip. >> these are
radical terrorists who want to kill us, because we
let women drive, because we let girls go to skichool. i'm marco rubio, i approve this message. there can be no arrange. either they we or we do. >> >> is it give you a boost with voters as they focus more on choosing a commander in chief with all of these terror attacks? >> on these polls you want
good news, not bad news, but we've not gotten too excited or depressed about them. they're going to fluctuate. as far as national security, let me say i obviously am not happy about the events from last week, but it's a positive development that it suddenly has forced americans to confront more carefully the issue of national security. it is the most important function of the federal government. i hope we focus on that more.
because the world has become a very dangerous place. it's the chinese military build up, russian aggression, noirk's dozens of nuclear warheads, iran's desire to -- these are all very real risks and we are eviscerating or capabilities at a time when the world is growing more dangerous. i'm glad we're focusing on national security, and i feel very confident in my position. i want to ask you a couple final quick political questions. you generally stay away from atagging your rivals, but you went after ted cruz this week for his vote to kill the telephone bulk data collection program, which actually will run out a week from today. what do you think that vote says about ted cruz? >> it's not going after anyone personally. this is an important issue. we have a debate within our own party, and there are members of the republican party, including senator cruz and senator paul,
that have argued that the government is out there spying on everybody, so we need to gut these programs. that isn't true. if someone in the federal government is spying on an american they should be fired and prosecuted, but these are valuable tools that allow us to learn more about the terrorists than they know about us, and allow them to potential disrupt plots before they're carried out. if you have voted to undermine those programs, we need a debate about that, because it is a very different view of what the government's role should be in our national security. that's a legitimate policy debate. >> absolutely. on the other hand, another legitimate policy debate, senator cruz has been hammering you in the last few days for your support for comprehensive immigration reform in 2013. here is senator cruz. >> the rubio campaign is trying very, very hard to change the topic of discussion away from marco's longtime support and partnership with chuck schumer and barack obama pushing a massive amnesty plan.
>> i have about 30 seconds left. is there something personal between the two of you? >> no, no, this is a policy difference as well, except that further ted cruz himself supported the support of people here. >> he offered an amendment -- >> wait, but he says that was a poison pill to try to kill comprehensive reform. >> that's not accurate. in fact, in september of that year, three months afterwards, he was still tells "new york times" and others how he supported legalizing those that were here illegally. he's changed his position. that's fine, he has a right to do that. he needs to answer a question of what he would do with the people who are here illegally. >> he's the only candidate for the president as this point that refuses to answer the question. i i've laid out a clear plan forward on that issue. i'm more than happy to continue to have the debate over that issue as well. >> and we're happy to have you here to continue that debate. senator rubio, thank you so much
for your time. happy thanksgiving to you and your family, sir. >> happy thanksgiving. thank you. more results on the poll, including what americans say about the war on isis. later, rush limbaugh joins us for a rare television interview. but first or sunday group weighs in on the debate over accepting more syrian refugees. what would you like to ask the panel about how president obama is handling the refugees? just go to facebook or twitter at "fox news sunday," and we may use your question on the air.
we're back now with more from the first fox news poll since the paris attacks. two thirds of registered voters we surveyed say president obama hasn't been aggressive enough in fighting isis. 26% say he's been about right. 83% say he's very or somewhat likely islamic terrorists will try to attack the u.s. soon. two thirds oppose the president's plan to take in 10,000 syrian refugees over the next year. it seems like a good time to bring in our sunday group. syndicated columnist, george will. "usa today" columnist kirsten powers, michael needham, and fox news political analyst juan williams. george, in the wake of the attacks this week by both isis and europe and apparently an al
qaeda affiliate in malli, what are your thoughts about the terror threat and how effectively. >> the bombs go off, the massacre occurs and isis demonstrates an astonishing reach, and the president remains unshakeable in his belief that our national threat is climate change. he promises an intensivfication his word, and dianne feinstein said it's not contained, it's expanding. yet article v in nato has not been invoked, which indicates the french response, though initially -- would be episodic and fleeting. >> any member of nato can invoke it and says an attack against one is an attack against all. there had been some thought that france would basically call in the cavalry. they have not done that. >> this matters, because isis
exists at the sufferance of nato and other powers in the world perfectly capable of sweeping it off the map of the middle east. there's a story in the front page of "new york times" that bids fare to become a real scandal, and that's there's an investigation going on of centcom down in tampa mr. intelligence was falsified to give a rosier view of the campaign against isis. the question in this town in a couple weeks is what did we not know and when did we not know it, and whose fault was that? >> people are understandably fright under by what's going on, but this week the head of the fbi james comey tried to reall sure americans. here he is. >> we are not aware of any credible threat here of a paris-type attack and we have seen no connection at all between the paris attackers and the united states.
>> kirsten, given the very different obstacles for outsiders like the paris bombers, getting into europe, are we safer than we are in europe? >> i think we are safer, but that don't mean we are safe. we're relatively safer. obviously we know terrorists can get into our country. we have seen it happen. i think in terms of they are obviously -- they obviously have the my grant crisis right in front of them. it's not something that's literally crushing against us the way it is against them, but one thing i would say on them is the manhattan institute has a study out about how in the united states -- i think most of us probably think already, muslim immigrants tend to assimilate much better than in europe. that's part of the problem in europe, they are not assimilating s. >> that brings us to the next topic. the debate over how to confront
isis quickly morphed this week into a fierce debate over how to handle the syrian refugees, and president obama seemed almost eager to call out republicans. take a look. >> these are the same folks oftentimes who suggest they're so tough that just talking to putin or staring down isil or using some additional rhetoric will somehow solve the problems, but apparently they're scared of widows and orphans. >> michael, given in that fox poll we just released, two thirds of americans say they oppose president obama's continued determination to allow up to 10,000 syrian refugees in. the question i have is why does he seem to eager to have this fight, especially given the fact in the house vote on tightening restrictions on allowing syrian refugees, and 47 broad with the -- >> it's not a good fight for him to have. >> he seems to want to have it.
>> america is an extraordinarily compassionate country. compassion doesn't require being stupid, however, and going through, make sure that congress is having the vetting process to allow people in is common sense. in bowling green, where two terrorists came in, they were vetted, it turned out they were terrorists. the boston bomber, a refugee 17 years ago got radicalized in america. there are valid concerns, making sure we're not letting in an isis terror in that program. and if the president wants that debate, i think it's a debate we're happy to have. as ted cruz said, he should make some of these claims to people's faces. let's have a debate. we got this on twitter from a fellow calling himself bomb doc. he writes -- so we can't locate 11 million illegal immigrants, but we can vet thousands from the remote regions of syria.
juan, how do you answer him? doesn't he have a point? >> i don't think he has a point at all. bomb doc is creating a false equivalent born out of legitimate concerns in the aftermath of paris and 9/11, but what you have to understand is it's being combined with the politics, especially politics that's so antiimmigrant, also to is the point of being xenophobic. we've had in this country, the reality is thousands of people admitted since 9/11, and we've had only the three instances where people have been -- refugees tied to acts of anything that could be considered terrorism. in fact, the attorney general loretta lynch said we have a robust screening process that's worked. i think it's more robust than anything we have for the tourist
or student visas or people who have a passport from france or germany who just come into this country. since 2011, the syrians that have been admitted, half of them are children, a quarter of adults over the age of 60, finger printed, photographed, interviewed boy metrics. i don't think it's anything to be compared to some mexicans coming over the border looking for a job. >> quickly how do you respond? >> as senator rubio said, in some cases obviously with children it's ease -- it's a different from screens people from syrian where we don't have the types of records we've had with iraq or other governments, so a system in place, if you don't have records, not letting them in is common sense, and that's all that anyone is calling for. we have to take a break. we'll see you in a bit. up next, rush limbaugh on the syrian refugee crisis.
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conservative radio. he's on close to 600 stations across the country, and a new children's book called "rush revere." welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> it's great to be with you, it really is. by the way, everybody who listens to me loves me. there's no hate. >> don't listen to -- >> even the ones who disagree listen. i mean, they're the ones who hate, and they're the ones who need a reason for it each and every day. i'm happy to provide it. full-service shop here. i'm just -- i pinch myself each and every day i have a chance to do it, and it's a thrill to be here with you, as always. thank you for that. i want to start with a new song you played on your show friday, from a group you called barack hussein o, and jihadi singers
♪ isis is all right for me ♪ eye says has been contained oh yeah ♪ ♪ isis is just all right with me ♪ >> i know it's a parody, but i'm sure with a point. >> i think obama's strategy -- beth you've been able to learn and you've looked hard at this, it seems that obama is linked to iran and syria on this. the sectarian violence is his could us for not doing anything about it. iran capitalizes on all of this chaos and crisis. chris, look, i don't like saying any of this, but it's obvious obama is sensitive to iran's needs and trying to satisfy them. we have lifted the sanction.
they're on the way to get a nuclear weapon, all because of into razz hussein o, and i think his dealing with isis is inept, incompetent and nonexistent. >> what would you do? how would you destroy isis? >> well, in the first place, i would -- i would get some people around me and listen to them. i would get some people around me who are experts in dealing with groups like this. for one thing, i would do, chris, i would hit their oil. i would hit their oil depots and oil tankers. you know why we're not? we have rules of engagement. the administration says some drivers might be civilians and there might be civilians at the oil depots and wells. that's their primary source of revenue. i would hit that and i wouldn't care. you know, chris, the world is governed by the aggressive use of force, and the purpose of war
and the purpose of militaries is to kill people and break things. that's how you win. you keep doing that until the other side says i'm sorry, and surrendered. barack obama's number one enemy is the republican party and the corn serve tiff movement. he gets animated, he didn't need cue cards or teleprompters, about you when you get isis on the board or anything in the middle east, very cautious, very precise, very don't want to offend them, don't want to make them mad. >> let me pick up on that. >> i think it's dangerous. i think the country is in more danger than people know. >> let me pick up on that. i know you were struck by the president's news conference in the g-20 summit in turkey on monday, where he seemed to be more upset with republicans who want to limit refugees than he was with the isis terrorists who slaughtered people in paris. here is the president on both of
those issues. >> the terrible events in paris were obvious a terrible and sickening setback. when i hear political leaders suggesting there would be a religious test? that's shameful. that's not american. >> rush, what do you think is going on here? >> in that press conference from those sound bites, he also said that he doesn't believe in this slogan earring like providing leadership and winning. the first time i heard him say that was in reference to afghanistan in 2009. he said, yeah, when i hear talk the victory, i think of poor hirohito, he's not serious, chris. there are legitimate questions about what and who he thinking pose threats to this country and who our real enemies are. i'm sorry, the american people, looking at the latest polling data, the worst marks ever on dealing on terrorism. people are scared.
we have refugees coming in, nobody is confident we can vet them. yet we're told don't be a bigot, don't be a ra issist, don't be a xenophobe. we're none of those things. and nobody who is worried is. >> we do have a history in this country for not only matters of religious persecution, but also people fleeing violence in their country of taking them in as refugees. how would you handle the syrian refugees, rush? >> you know, i would pause it. i would put a pause on it right now, and i would again -- i don't profess to be an expert in everything. i'm an expert in a lot of things, but not everything. i would get people to tell me how best to do this. we paused ref gees being allowed to interthe country in 2011, you know who did it?
barack hussein o. there was a six-month pause on iraqi refugees for the very same reason that people are worried today. i have friends who are syrians, i play golf with them. they're great people. this is not about that. it's not about bigotry or racism or anti-ethnics or against certainly nationalities. it's about the defense and protection of the united states of america and our constitution, which is the primary job of the president of the united states. again, he just doesn't seem to be oriented in that direction or interested in it. it's almost as though he think that is we've committed all these crimes since our founding, unjust and immoral, and it's time for payback to find out what the rest of the world goes there through every day. it's time for us to bite the bullet. it's really troubling. i'm having to bite my lip what i really think. >> well, what do you really think? >> i think we are a great nation
at risk in a dangerous world and the people leading the country today don't see that. they see us as the problem, not the solution. they think that we are responsible for some of these problems, they'll fall back and blame george w. bush for what's going on. isis didn't exist when bush left offices. let's do a lightning round. >> oh, lightning round! >> president for 2016. first of all, donald trump. >> uh, donald trump i think is doing a great service. he is showing that you do not have to fear attacks from the media. republicans do not have to fear from attacks from the media. you do not have to fear being political correct. >> ben carson. >> one of the most decent human beings in this country. one of the finest men. i've met him. the things he has done, places
he's come from, one of the most decent -- and i cringe when i see they're trying to destroy him. >> equipped to be president? >> ben carson equipped to be president? um -- probably not at this stage, but any of these republicans running would be better than hillary or better than anything we've got now, so based on that comparison, yes. i would vote for him if it was up to him and hillary, without a doubt. >> ted cruz. >> brilliant, and conservative through and through. trustworthy, strong, confident, leader, and somebody in whom you can totally depend. >> jeb bush? >> jeb bush, i don't think he really wants to do this. i'm watching, and i don't see passion, i don't see fire. it's as though people in his camp want to do it because they want to be back in power. i don't see him with the energy
that i need this, i can't wait to do this. >> finally, hillary clinton. >> i just think corruption. when i think of the clintons, i think of corruption, skirting 9 edges, don't trust them and certainly don't think the country would be in the best hands possible if eats of them got back in power. finally you have put on the another in your series of children's book. this is called "rush revere and the star-spangled banner" in which you and your talking horse liberty and some children go back to talk to the founding fathers. once again a "new york times" best-seller. this is a passion of yours. >> it is. i never thought i would have children as an audience, but they tap into the imagination, fulfilled children's desires to dream, and they're taken right to these moments in history and parts of them rather than events
being recited. they talk to the people in the books, and it's -- it's written for that age group 8 to 10, maybe up to 12, and we're just thrilled and so grateful at the response these books are getting. >> well, look -- >> and i'm grateful for you to mentioning them. >> everybody would like a time-traveling horse. i mean, and named liberty no less. >> that's smart-aleck and talks back, too. my favorite character of the book. anyway, thank you for joining us, good luck with the book, happy thanksgiving to you and catherine. always good to talk with you, rush. >> thank you, kids. you just watched the fasters 11 minutes in tv. see you next time we do this. >> you bet. we'll bring back the panel and more on the poll of the stakes of the presidential race.
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? breaking political news overnight, an upset in the rate for the governor of louisiana. voters elected john bell edwards of over senator david vitter whorls badly hurt by a 2002 scandal. he's the first democrat voted in in the deep south in 12 years. this week was a chance for former secretary of state and democratic front-runner hillary clinton to display her foreign policy chops. in our latest fox news poll, clinton maintains her commanding lead, and we're back now with the panel. let's start with clint, who gave a foreign policy speech. in which but didn't give a lot of specifics about how she would
actually be tougher. here he is. >> our goal is to defeat and destroy isis. >> kirsten, whatever clinton says, if the world is still a mess from a year from now, won't she be blamed for her role in the obama foreign policy? >> people are going to try to blame her, but she will say i wasn't actually in charge, barack obama was in charge, and i disagreed with him. as she's said, she disagreed with him on syria, she would have done things differently, and i think there was a distinct difference between her and obama, even if you say it's just in tone. it martz how you talk about this. and i think that she's going to try to make it clear that she's very different from him. >> do you think that secretary of state during the first four
years of obama's time in office can really say that i'm a bystander. >> our that she disagreed. on two matters she is was the main driver. one was the reset with russia, which now has been subsequently busy dismantling a nation in the center of europe. and an illegal unwise intervention by the united states has created a failed state in that region. it seems to me, and we'll have a repeat of 1980, ronald reagan stands on the sage, are you better off than four years ago? in 2016, whoever the republican nominee will be, will stand on the stage and ask the american people there. is there any place in the world where american power is more respected and where it is world is better off than it was when mrs. clinton became secretary of state? i think it will be a devastating question.
>> meanwhile, the republican candidates this week got into a kind of bitting war about who can be tougher on the syrian refugees. one against it was the two republican front-runners leading the pack. here they are. >> we should have a lot of systems. >> how do you actually get them registered? >> good management. good management procedures. >> if there's a rabid dog running around year neighborhood, you're probably not going to assume something good about that dog. >> there's some debate where trump did or didn't call for a muss limb data bat. >> i have a question about that. i don't think i'm overstating that the policy is? shambles, shouldn't the republicans want to focus on that? >> absolutely. i think byron york of "the
washington examiner" wrote a great piece. bus the purpose will be to put forth the actual plans, the policy that is rise to the occasion that can take the argument to obama and clinton. i think clearly ted cruz and mark marco rubio will be strengthened by this. the debate is, is there any part of this world that's now safer. it will be a major theme and it will be up to carson that they can back up the republican december interesting. >> it seems to me the bottom line. the headline is that for all of these controversy atstatements, for all of the n focus, put up the poll. it's awfully interesting. as you can see there, donald trump continues to lead
the packet, in fact has widened his lead, in fact by ten points, juan. >> you come to someone like me, i look at polls and talk to political experts, and they're all baffled. nobody understands how trump is doing it. i think on the paris thing, it's clear he's a strong reassuring voice. he may not have a strategy other than bomb the smithereens out of them. >> that's cleaning it up. >> and then they goes on talking about the business of industry or closing mosques and people sea what about our rights and religious liberties? >> he once was defined's a republican outlier. i now more and more see him as representing the feeling of economic anxiety, distrust of government, anger at president obama in the republican ranks. he has captured that, and i
think he's always finding somebody to blame, whether it's the mexican immigrants or the chinese for their money manipulation, or wall street taking jobs away from working-class whites. this is the heart of the republican party is at this moment, and i think you have to say the democrats would be happy to run against him. >> it's not the hard of the republican party, but the public. and i think that part of donald trump's attract shun is he's provided bold leadership. there's other people in the field who have done so. >> i think it is mostly republican, michael. you don't see this kind of anger at the immigrants -- this is playing owl in the republican
primary right now. i think that's where it is. >> there's no anger at immigrants or anything el. people feel completely unhappy for those who worked for well-connected insiders. >> i hear that, you don't think that trump is driven by anti-immigrant fervor? >> i think he's driven by people whomp wand bold leadership. thank you, panel. see you next sunday. i have a feeling we'll kin this. up next, maryland's governor on a personal mission, raising cancer awareness after battles the disease himself. this is a, the artificial heart, electric guitars and rockets to the moon. it's the story of america- land of the doers. doin' it. did it. done. doers built this country. the dams and the railroads. ♪john henry was a steel drivin' man♪ hmm, catchy. they built the golden gates and the empire states. and all this doin' takes energy -no matter who's doin'. there's all kinds of doin' up in here.
finally today, the inside story of maryland governor larry hogan's battle against cancer. hogan sat down with us for his first national interview about his illness and recovery. here's a special "power player of the week." >> i kind of knew being governor of maryland as a republican would be a tough job, i would face all challenges, but i didn't realize cancer would be one of them. >> larry had been governor for five months in june. when he mentioned a lump in his neck. he'll never forget the diagnosis. >> we have some bad news, you have 50 or 60 tumors throughout
your whole body, from your neck to your groin, very advanced cancer that's spread all over. >> when they say that to you, 50, 60 tumors and advanced cancer, what did you think? >> i thought about how am i going to tell my family? you know, what's going to be facing me? >> three day later, hogan told the public. >> i was diagnosed with cancer. ready for the poison? we're ready for it. >> the governor and doctors decided to be just as aggressive as cancer. six rounds of chemotherapy, where each time he would check into the hospital for five days of around the clock treatment. >> i didn't sleep for five days, because they give you a huge amount of steroids to combat the chemo, so you're wired, and you're wide awake. >> hogan worked the cancer ward like a politics. >> can i come in and say hi? >> talking to other patients, even though his immune system
was weakened. i wasn't supposed to, but i was hugging people, shaking hands, taking pictures with them. it inspired me. >> as the chemobuilt up in his body, the side effects not much worse. >> i had a full head of white hair, and i lost my eyebrows and my eyelashes. my hands and field started to lose feeling and has nerve damage. >> he also suffered from exhaustion, but he kept doing his job. >> we had meetings in the conference room in the hospital, meetings in my hospital room with senior staff. >> as hogan started recovering, doctors let him go out more, like to a baltimore orioles game, where he found a way to engage in a favorite pastime. >> i shook 500 hands for the first time, because ed a batting glove on, now it's 12-hours days. >> do doctors say slow down a bit?
>> they keep trying to tell me that, but i don't listen very well. >> hogan is back in the stayshouse doing what he used to do, but there have been in changes. what is the biggest thing you learned about? >> i teared up a few times with kids, but i'm also pretty tough. >> he found a new mission as an advocate for cancer research and treatment. >> hopefully i'll be done with this soon, as far as my own personal fight, but i'm not going to be done with the cause. this week hogan held another news conference. >> i'm very thankful to be able to report that incredibly, as of today, i am 100% cancer free and in complete remission. >> we wish the governor and his family the very best on this thanksgiving. that's it for today. have a great week and a great holiday.