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>> i'm bill hammer in for chris wallace. the on again off again off-again summit between president trump and kim jong un. will it still happen? ♪ >> we are looking at june 12th in singapore. that hasn't changed. >> bill: we will discuss the about-face by the president just day after canceling the high-stakes. with roy blunt of missouri and democrat chris coons of delawar delaware. then president trump and his legal team call into question the mueller investigation suggesting the fbi improperly spied on his campaign. >> if they had spies in my campaign that would be a disgrace to this country. that would be one of the biggest insults that anyone has ever seen.
>> bill: the president calls it spygate. what impact does this have on an interview with a special counsel? we will ask one of the the presidents personal lawyers, rudy giuliani. plus, we will ask our sunday panel about a new warning for tehran. >> the ayatollah and two other iranian leaders, understand that your current activities will be met with steely resolve. >> bill: all all right now on "fox news sunday" ." into our viewers into our veterans on this memorial day weekend, welcome to fox news in washington. there are fresh signs that the push is on to revive the historic summit between president trump and north korean leader kim jong un. since mr. trump called off the meeting the sides have apparently been back in contact. north korea held a surprise second meeting along the dmz and a white house advance team is expected to leave possibly today for singapore just in case.
also this, the president saying last night there is still a chance meeting on june 12th could still happen. correspondent kevin corke starts our coverage alive from the white house. kevin, hello. >> hello. from the release of three american captives to the apparent decommissioning of the nuclear test site, the talks appeared all but certain and then unraveled. but perhaps now will happen after all. take you back to wednesday night following u.s. references to the so-called libyan model of denuclearization which in turn led to a letter from the north threatening a possible nuclear showdown with the u.s. president trump huddled with his national security advisor john bolton. it wasn't long after that thursday morning that we all read the president's letter canceling the summit adding that the u.s.'s nuclear capabilities were massive and that he prayed to god they they would have to be used. then friday, a mere 24 hours later, a glimmer of hope as both
the president and defense secretary jim mattis seemed to signal optimism the talks could happen after all following conciliatory statements. all that ahead of saturday's report that the leaders from the north and the south met and announced that pyongyang's commitment to the meeting and full denuclearization remains resolute, about which president trump said this last night. >> i think there's a lot of goodwill. i think people want to see if we can get the meeting it get something done. if we've got that done and if we can be successful in the denuclearization of the korean peninsula that would be a great thing for north korea, it would be a great thing for south korea, it would be great for japan and great for the world. >> advanced teams from washington and pyongyang are set to be heading to the region perhaps as soon as today. by the way that date is an interesting one. june 121997. you may recall president reagan famously told mikael pork chop for tear down this wall. perhaps a repeat of history this
june 12th. >> bill: we will see if it happens. kevin corke reporting from the white house today. kevin, thanks. joining me now is one of the presidents personal lawyers, rudy giuliani. mr. mayor, welcome to "fox news sunday." i understand you spoke with the president just a few hours ago. is he too eager for this moment to happen? >> rudy: sure he is and i think he's positioned it brilliantly. he wouldn't submit to that ridiculous comment about a meeting on the nuclear battlefield. he canceled it and now we have kim jong un back where he was before, talking about wanting to do it, leading with the leader of south korea, so i don't want to raise expectations, but i think the president's strategy has played out really brilliantly in the most remarkable thing, he can do it with all these interruptions that i have to bring to them. this totally rigged investigation. >> bill: did he impress
dominic -- is he too eager to make the summit happen? >> rudy: no. wouldn't have turned it down, wouldn't have canceled it. he's playing this like ronald reagan played reykjavik and i think it's as great or greater when it's all finished. let's hope. it might take six months. reykjavik didn't happen in a day. >> bill: you are right about that and there will be stops and starts along the way and we should be certainly aware of all that but you said the summit needs to be decided before the mueller matter moves forward so let's move to that now. this weekend you said you would not go forward with mueller until you understand what was happening with an informant with the trump campaign, so what was this person doing with the campaign? >> rudy: i don't know that yet. i haven't been told that. it just further reiterates what i have come to conclude after two months of being in this and the president obviously knew from very early on, this is rigged. you got 13 democrats. you've got a focus on things
that didn't happen, no rush of collusion. no obstruction, just defending yourself and now we are into the basis of it being illegitimate. the article just a few days ago about his question whether there should even be an investigation because of the fact that they switched over from counterintelligence to criminal and i want to know did they get in the evidence in that counterintelligence broke? i think they didn't. >> bill: you say they you don't think they did. they did not as you just referred to. do you have that on good information? there were two classified briefings on thursday this week and i'm told there documents were shown no one has talked about the briefing, a short statement given by adam schiff and he read it off of a piece of paper. what can you learn or perhaps now what do you know about this informant? >> rudy: what i know is just what i speculate, not anything that has been said to me. no one has shared it with me.
i'm positive they shared it with the president but probably at this point it's better that we don't know. we have to know, however before we recommend to the president. this rigged investigation. when you look at how they treated manafort. how they spun off into cohen. how they are chasing things in the middle east. the reality is we are not going to sit him down if this is a trap for perjury. and until we are convinced of that and if they don't show us these documents, we are just going to have to say no. let me emphasize, he wants to explain that he did nothing wrong. it's us the lawyers who have to convince him that this is a tra trap. >> bill: so take us inside that meeting with the president. what do you tell him? what does he ask you? >> rudy: first of all, my job has been to try and negotiate grounds for an interview. and we've been doing it.
we have a team now not only with jay, but with jane raskin and marty. she has taken the load really of doing the negotiating with the mueller people. but the reality is that we have all become convinced, even though we began with the hope that this would be done in good faith that there's too much air. some of it is mueller's fault. some of it. if the thing with this investigation that was going on which we consider spying was done before mueller got involved. but it completely taints his investigation. >> bill: entirely believe? >> rudy: you've got to ask what's the basis of the investigation. that and how about a leaked comey report that turns out to come from a guy who is the biggest liar in the history of washington. >> bill: james clapper said this about what you are referring to. >> know they were not. they were spying -- a term i
don't particularly like, on what the russians were doing. trying to understand where the russians infiltrating, trying to gain access and leverage and influence. >> bill: you call it a spy, they call it an informant. what's wrong with the government -- what's wrong with the government trying to figure out what russia was up to? >> rudy: nothing wrong with the government doing that. everything wrong with the government spying on a candidate of the opposition party. that's a watergate, spygate. and without any warning to him and now, to compound that, to make it into a criminal investigation, that's why this is a rigged investigation. that's why the president has been right from the beginning. it way back when the president said there was surveillance of his campaign, it turns out he was right. it was human surveillance rather than technical surveillance but surveillance nonetheless. >> bill: back to comey. you will but the credibility of the president up against the
credibility of james comey in almost every day the president has referred to him. he said this just on wednesday. >> the fbi is a fantastic institution, but some of the people at the top were rotten apples. james comey was one of them. i have done a great service for this country by getting rid of him by firing him. >> bill: so on that same day james comey tweeted this. he said facts matter. the fbi's use of human sources, and essential protecting the country. attacks on the fbi and lying about his work will do lasting damage to our country. how will republicans explain this to their grandchildren? you are putting james comey on trial and now listening to your talk today you are also putting the government on trial based on that investigation saying it's not legitimate. i understand where you're coming from, mr. mayor , but how does this and? >> rudy: first of all it is the government, it's james come comey, clapper, brendan. if the people took this
investigation and turned it on a candidate. you can't say you are spying on the russians if what you're trying to do is show the russians are colluding, whatever that means with the term campaign, so the spying turned on the drum campaign. when it did that the president should have been briefed. if he was in it would be an outrage and then at that point the term campaign should have been briefed and be asked to cooperate, not treated like criminals when there was no proof of any collusion. now a year and a half later and there's no proof of collusion. so stop the investigation. >> bill: if they do not do that, does the president have to fire someone? >> rudy: the president is not going to fire him because that would be the playing into the hands of playing the victim. the other people have committed the crimes. what we have to do is go to court. if we have to do that. our first thing is we sure as heck are not going to testify unless it's all straightened out. unless we learned the basis of
that russian investigation. they are not going to tell us because it's going to turn up when expected to trump to be unethical or illegal. they will have to tell us what they have found so far, the basis of the investigation. russian collusion. here's what they found, zero. nothing. maybe they should wake up and realize the president is innocent. that's what he wants to testify and because we don't want him to testify because they are not fair. they have rigged us investigation against him. 13 democrats angry as heck and some of them there at hillary clinton's funeral. when she was supposed to have a victory party. >> bill: we are a long way from an interview, aren't we? >> rudy: maybe we are not a long way from -- they will have to go on what they have and everybody's going to find out. >> bill: if the summit matters decided you could sit down in early july and may be part of
mueller's report comes out early september. is that timeline still viable? >> rudy: it is if we could get over what seems to be fairly monumental problems that keep growing. we don't create them. they created the problem of this, what you want to call it, spygate, investigation. improper investigation of a candidate. why does everybody get all upset when they invade the democratic national committee, republicans do and now they've invaded the term campaign, nobody's angry. didn't warn them. he >> bill: if you sit for an interview, you could walk into a perjury trap. if you delay or if you say no based on your description today democrats can use this against republicans in the midterm. are you essentially boxed in on that schedule? >> rudy: could be, but i don't think so. here's where we are. we have to be lawyers. the four of us, five of us have to act like lawyers and we have to give him legal advice. he can make the political judgment.
i could put a different hat on and talk about that too. his approval rating is the highest it's ever been. i believe the democrats are going up a wrong alley here. republicans did this to clinton and it backfired. the reality is the american people have come to the conclusion everybody else has. in this investigation is rigged, it's unfair and if they have to choose on impeachment or not, the president is going to be making peace with north korea and we shall be rooting for that, they are not probably, but we are. this could really turn on them and they are not going to have their impeachment that they wan want. >> bill: i have two more questions for you in that time i have left. if you don't sit for an interview you could face a subpoena and i know you've said you will challenge that sipping all the way to the u.s. supreme court where you believe you will win because you believe you have the votes. who is the fifth vote at the supreme court are you today? >> rudy: i think on the constitutional issue it's a close question. i think we win it, as does ted
olson, who wrote an article about it, i think it was last week. however, mainly do they have the authority to do it? we can't lose. i think we get all votes. the justice department defines the authority of the independent counsel. the justice department cannot issue criminal process to a sitting president. that's the law basically all over the world for a head of state. i can't see how we lose that. maybe in the ninth circuit, not enough air court. >> bill: you said he's more likely to sit with chairman kim then he is with bob mueller. you described that as korean perjury. just listening to, i don't believe this interview will ever happen, am i wrong you might >> rudy: no! it could happen. he wants to do it. so far since i've been in this, all i see are obstacles that they are putting in the way. starting with: andy:, what's tt
all about? going off about something of the middle east, which turned out to be software that was turned down by the campaign. and now the spygate, i don't think they are going to want to tell us about it because it's so embarrassing. i want to emphasize one more time, not to the fbi, leadership at the time. >> bill: last question, do you think you would give instruction to his defense since you came on board? >> rudy: i do. i think i took over a good situation. i think they had done a really good job. they got out of the way over the disclosure of documents and all we can sit in a position and say you don't need them. also a way to resist the subpoena and i think they have pretty much defined the fact that this interview had to be on our terms or we can't do it. so i think maybe i gave it more
structure. i kind of have knowledge of him probably better than they do. he and i are very good friends for 30 years. and i worked very heavily on his campaign, so i know this great desire he has to testify. but i also know this is an intelligent man who's got things to do and i can't stand it. i will wait for them to call me. i can't interrupt what's going on -- i can't interrupt a briefing with bolton and pompeo. this is not important enough. >> bill: mayer, thank you for your time. thanks for spending part of your memorial day weekend with us. up next, two key senators react to the uncertainty of whether or not the singapore summit will or will not happen. ♪ vin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin
♪ >> bill: this week president trump canceled a long-awaited summit with the hopes are still high that the two will meet. in a moment we will talk about that with a democrat from delaware, but first in studio with me here in washington, missouri republican senator roy blunt on the senate intelligence committee. welcome back to "fox news sunday." you were just listening to rudy giuliani. what to do here and that that you think is important? >> senator blunt: i did hear rudy giuliani mention again that the president is not going to do -- going to try to stop the mall or investigation, it would just like to have a come to a conclusion and i think that's pretty much where i am in the whole country is right now. let's get the facts, let's get
this done, find out what there was to find out and move on and i heard him once again say that just like i've said, i don't think we should make it impossible for the president to fire mueller by congressional action because i don't think we have the right to do that but i think it would be a foolish thing for the president to do to take that action. >> bill: the mayor suggested he's not going to fire anyone. the president refers to this fbi informant matter as spygate. should the government have an informant connected with the national campaign? >> senator blunt: i think it would be fine to find out what the russians were doing. it would not be flying to find out what the campaign was doing. i'm frankly concerned about a lot of the things we saw happen between the fbi and both campaigns getting involved with the clinton campaign at two different times, both of which i thought leads questionable conclusions. and if you actually did have
someone trying to find out from the campaign what was going on in the campaign and who they were talking to as opposed to legitimately having reasons to believe that they should be there, we will see. it's taking a long time to get this information from the fbi and frankly from the national security team. >> bill: on north korea use of this past week that the north koreans like to pretend to negotiate. what was all of this about this past week? with that just pretend? >> senator blunt: who knows. it's right out of the north korean playbook. three generations of that playbook. act like you want to negotiate and come up with some outlandish view of what that negotiation means and try to wind up with early benefits to your side and not following through on what you have agreed to do, so it's not surprising i don't think. what was probably surprising to them was the president's agreement initially to meet and his willingness willingness to
say if this is not a serious meeting i don't want to have it. i do think some things need to happen here before we meet and hopefully they will. >> bill: may be the korean leaders meeting yesterday was another one of the surprises in a long list. your colleague democrat menendez, this came up on thursday with mike pompeo and he said this about the summit. >> the art of diplomacy is a lot harder than the art of the deal. the reality is that it's pretty amazing that the administration might be shocked that north korea is acting as north korea might very well normally act. >> sometimes i think that sounds like you would describe it. see right about that? >> senator blunt: i think the quote is not all that surprising. suggest that somehow the president isn't reaching out the way he should. i think the president has got the north koreans in a place that any other president might not have managed to get done. he's very willing to reach out in new directions through the
south korean president, willing to meet with the north korean president, but also willing to walk away and i do think some things need to be decided before we have that meeting. there needs to be a strong understanding of what both sides, what all three sides, frankly mean by denuclearizatio denuclearization. the south korean president i believe is providing a great benefit in this discussion, and less we are not all communicating in the same way. what does denuclearization mean? what do they expect to see happen? and i think these talks can produce results. we need results and they need to be very visible before the united states creates any benefits. >> bill: a very interesting comment, a little bit of trust to get that back on track. we will see whether that happens. on iran quickly, mike pompeo set out a dozen items that he wants the iranian regime to go ahead and meet. put them on screen, here's a few of them. abandon the nuclear program,
provide full access to inspectors an end support for terror groups. release u.s. citizens and on and on the list goes. a lot of demands. iran has said it has no incentive to negotiate. that seems like it's a stalemate. if it is, what is plan b? >> senator blunt: first of all, the agreement with iran was an agreement that would allow them to eventually have a nuclear weapon and it was an agreement that our government ever entered into in the way government entered into agreements. it was an agreement that the president said he was for understanding the congress would never verify the agreement we had just entered into and we have to learn from what has happened in 20 years with north korea, what we don't want to allow to happen with iran. we do not want them to be able to have a nuclear weapon. the current deal allows that. we do not want them to be testing ballistic missiles, which they are doing. and they have to stop this
worldwide effort to create terror activity all over the world. >> bill: your pressure with the europeans to go along with a? >> senator blunt: we will see how aggressive the president wants to be with the sanctions. it actually will depend on what we decide. our sanctions will be against governments and businesses that deal with this iranian government. it's the number one state sponsor of terrorism and frankly for the last several years they have been financing that terrorism with a palace full of money that we gave them back. >> bill: thank you for your time, especially on a holiday we can thank you. with me now from wilmington, delaware, senator chris coons. just to continue on iran for a moment, thank you for your time. you've said the nuclear deal is not a perfect deal, but do you see what iran has been doing and do her with a senator just listed off here, what's wrong with putting pressure on berlin and brussels and paris? >> senator coons: i agree with
secretary pompeo and senator senator blunt that a lot of iran's behavior outside the nuclear deal in recent years has been alarming and compels us to take action. what i had wished the president had done is to recognize the benefits we've gotten from the iran nuclear deal in constraining their nuclear program and getting us searching inspections of iran's nuclear activities and work more closely with our european allies, with the germans, the french, the british to reach a second deal, a bigger deal that would rein in the ballistic missile program, their human rights violation in their support for terrorism. i completely agree that iran is a bad regime that threatens our allies and conducts itself in ways that are unacceptable. i just disagree about whether causing greater distance with our european allies by sanctioning them and some of their biggest companies is the right path. >> bill: perhaps you could change minds, yes or no on that? >> senator coons: i hope that we will see president trump end up proving himself to be a
dealmaker and not a deal breaker, but in this instance, i have heard from ambassadors from our european allies that they are concerned that america first is turning into america alone and whether it's in the path towards the singapore summit with north korea where are south korean close ally was not consulted before the announcement was made or it's in the path forward towards trying to ask restrain iran's behavior and russia's behavior that the close relationship we use to enjoy with germany and france and the united kingdom is fraying a bit. >> bill: all the stories intersect as you just indicated. are north korea now. mike pompeo set this on thursday. >> i think the american team is fully prepared. i think we are rocking, i think we are ready. i think we are prepared for this meeting. i think president trump is prepared for this meeting. we were fully fully engaged over the past weeks to prepare for this meeting. >> it's not easy stuff and kim has since taken a different tune. do you think the summit can be put back together senator?
>> senator coons: i think it's possible to have a constructive and positive summit and i certainly prefer president trump's choice now of diplomacy over threatening fire and fury and i commend him and secretary pompeo for gaining the release of three americans held in north korea and recently another american released from venezuela and i certainly hope he is successful. but i would caution that if we go ahead without using every ounce of leverage we have over china we are making a mistake. i was really struck the president trump this past week was tweeting that he was going to work with xi jinping to release some of the pressure on zte. it let me explain how these two connect. it north korea critically relies on china. if we don't have china putting maximum pressure on north korea i don't think the summit will succeed. zte is one of china's biggest telecom companies. they have repeatedly and intentionally violated our sanctions against north korea and iran and the department of commerce just imposed a powerful
sanctions against zte blocking them from getting u.s. material for six years. it this is a moment where president trump has china's attention and should use it to extract concessions both on north korea and on china's ongoing theft of our adventures and innovation. i hope president trump will show himself able to do that. >> bill: you would agree with the chinese cooperation thus far with james mattis pressure on the pressure from the president. we were not even talking about a summit had all three of those things not even come together, correct? >> senator coons: that's correct. it a significant concession to north korea to offer a summer. they have never had an opportunity to meet with the american president. it is something they have long wanted to elevate them to an equal to the united states. and it's important that north korea has given up a number of american prisoners as a confidence building measure. but let's be clear, twice before north korea under kim jong un's father committed to full denuclearization in six party talks in 2005 in 2007 and
senator blunt just referenced, only to then change their tune. we are going to have to be very focused, very engaged. i'm hopeful that secretary pompeo will brief and engage congress and i'm hopeful that we will work together to make sure that the summit is a success. >> bill: two more questions quickly, if the president is correct should the fbi have an informant connected with any national campaign, democrat, republican or otherwise? >> senator coons: a critical role that the fbi provides its counterintelligence and when they began getting evidence that the russians were engaged in a broad campaign to try and influence the 2016 election i think it was appropriate for them to use a confidential informant to investigate with the russians were up to. i'm struck that rudy giuliani continues to talk about 13 democrats, 13 democrats and a rigged investigation as suggested on the show. let me remind you, robert mueller, rod rosenstein, chris wray, this is the special counsel, the fbi director, the deputy attorney general, all lifelong republican spirit
robert mueller the special counsel a decorated marine combat veteran, someone who has been unanimously confirmed by the senate for senior law enforcement positions under both republican and democratic positions. to continue to undermine the credibility of the fbi and the department of justice in this way is not in the interest. >> bill: i'm trying to squeeze in one more question. his point is that president trump should have been told about it. what's wrong with that? >> senator coons: because president trump and his actions in the campaign are potentially the focus of an investigation into obstruction of justice and collusion. i don't think it would have been appropriate for there to be the revelation of investigatory information to president trump or his personal lawyers, particularly classified information about the human intelligence source in advance of there being any decision about whether to move forward with any final conclusion by the mueller investigation. >> bill: final point in a week where jared kushner was given his permanent security clearance
returned to him, you are calling for donald trump jr. to come back to your committee and testify. you believe he's lying. that is a strong charge. about what, senator? >> senator coons: i'm concerned that in reviewing the transcript of donald trump jr.'s questioning by a staff of the senate judiciary committee that there is a clear tension between his firm answer is that there was no efforts by a foreign power to provide assistance to the trim campaign at recent reporting that there were meetings that he participated in where representatives of gulf states were offering some assistance. i do think that is worth are questioning donald trump jr. again in front of the judiciary committee and it's my hope that on a bipartisan basis we will continue these investigations as senator blunt just said. it is in everyone's interest for these investigations to continue without interference. >> bill: thank you for being here today, especially on this memorial day weekend. thank you. in a moment we will bring in our sunday group to talk about the state of that north korean
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and i believe medicare must be empowered to negotiate the price of drugs. california values senator dianne feinstein to negotiate the price of drugs. >> we are talking to them now. they very much want to do it. we would like to do it, we were going to see what happens. >> bill: president trump striking an optimistic tone on friday 24 hours after he canceled that planned summit with north korea. time now for our sunday group. bret baier anchor of "special report" author of the new book of three days in moscow. adrienne elrod. gerald seib from
"the wall street journal" and jonah goldberg of the national review. good to have you all on a sunday and a holiday weekend at that. happy memorial day. i think the question of the weekend is whether or not the summit happens. >> nobody knows. somebody in the administration told me yesterday it's back on track. it does that mean it's going to happen? he says who knows. i think more likely than not because i think the one thing we've learned in the last 72 hours is that both of the leaders chairman kim in north korea and president trump here really want this thing to happen. that's probably the most important thing, but the dynamic. i think what was going on was the two sides were talking past each other in preparation for this and then they stopped talking to each other at all. now they're back to talking to each other. i don't think it's a certainty, i think it's a likelihood. >> bill: your piece in "the wall street journal" said lost in translation. a lot has happened since thursday. i think the second biggest question is probably what senator blunt just referred to, can you get all three sides, north, south and the u.s. to agree to something before you sit down?
cannot happen? >> i think it was monday, which seems like a thousand years ago i was on this little show you might've heard of called space 27 and a host, i forget his nam name, asked what the likelihood that something was going to happen and the likelihood they will get something out of it on my production was 90% which is probably too optimistic and it was canceled. they don't get any meaningful agreement that gets rid of nuclear weapons. i definitely stand by that. north korea has for 20 years to find denuclearization as basically getting america off the korean peninsula for good because america is a nuclear power. that's what they mean by it. the administration, except for john bolton publicly has been harping on the word denuclearization as if it means north korea unilaterally just get rid of all of its nukes day one. that ain't gonna happen. this has been the central driving, defining issue of
north korean foreign policy and domestic policy for over three decades. you can't talk a nation out of abandoning what it sees as its strategic self-interest. >> bill: here is the president. he doesn't need a name tag care. here is the president on thursday on this. >> our very strong sanctions, by far the strongest sanctions ever imposed and maximum pressure campaign will continue. >> bill: my point to senator coons was without this president leading on this, without james mattis with the military aspect of it and without the chinese agreeing to crackdown on trade, we are not even talking about a settlement with north korea. >> that's right. some of the more aggressive language and some of the speeches get you to the point where possibly north korea changed its attitude. but i think the china part was the linchpin and its
three-dimensional chess here. if you're talking trade with china. you are talking the sanctions against north korea and all of that is a pressure campaign. that continues if they don't sit down. i think they do sit down but i agree with jonah. north korea's inherent existence is because of the weapons so something dramatic we would have to change to change that scenario. >> bill: to give this a points for trying? >> of course i give this administration points for trying. as an american citizen, there's a lot of things i don't want president trump to succeed at as in his hard-line immigration policy. but i think all americans wanting to succeed in this which is why we want him to go at this in a smart way. consult with your advisors. with actually make this work and let's try to solve this problem once and for all. >> bill: i think we were all surprised with the korean
leaders had a surprise second summit. that's an indication to all of us that they want something to happen here. just quickly to all four of you, you think they do sit down. >> i do. i like it might actually happen june 12th, which is hard to believe, but i think that there is a warrant by both president trump and kim jong un to move this forward. if they can do it quick enough you wonder the results of that from a u.s. perspective. >> bill: quickly, do you think it happens? >> i think it probably is going to happen. nothing is certain in this business, least of all with these two leaders but i think it's more likely than not. i think it happens and i don't think it produces what we want it to produce. >> i think it happens. i think it will be multiple cancellations along the way. >> reykjavik took six months before they negotiated to sit down. >> is a book about that.
>> it wasn't three days in reykjavik. on the iran matter, mike pompeo laid out a dozen things they want the iranians to do. it is a big, tall order. can this administration squeeze the europeans to come around other side? >> there's two answers to that question. the european governments are not going to just fall in line and say we are with you on this, but on the ground this is already happening. we had a story a few days ago saying european companies are already pulling back. they are starting to fall back on investments already made and they are not making new investments because they know that they can be sanctioned by the u.s. and they don't want to get caught between doing business with the u.s. and doing business with iran. i don't think it's likely the european governments say we agree with you let's ditch this deal, that's not going to happen. but on the ground there is already kind of a freeze in european, iranian business happening. >> bill: we will wait 90 or 180 days depending on the schedule. let's get a break here. when we come back, president trump and his team set their sights on james comey. it can they derail the bob
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>> this is rigged. comey had to be fired. rosenstein recommended it. mueller started off with some pretty serious conflicts of interest. maybe he has disclosed, maybe he hasn't. one of the main ones being he was in a room the day before with the president of the united states and rosenstein, got rejected for the job of fbi director and then gets trues in day to run the most sensitive investigation in america. >> bill: president trump's personal attorney here and we are back now with the panel. you and james comey on special report two weeks ago. what you think about what we heard from them? >> i think a couple things. one is saying the president is not going to fire anybody. that's pretty definitive i think in what rudy giuliani has said.
some of these interviews he says a number of different things about the investigation overall and what's going to happen, whether the president will sit for an interview or not. it sounded like it's not leaning that way at this moment. i would be interested to know specifically what he's talking about on the conflicts of interest for mueller and something tells me that will play itself out either on twitter or another interview. >> they are going after james comey. they're putting his credibility on the line. we're not going after the government, to certain individuals in the government. does that strategy work for them? >> i think it works this week. a lot of things that rudy giuliani said to you work back factually grotesque at times. he's calling himself a lawyer but what he really is is -- this is war by other means. it's spin more. very effective spin. the first time in a long time the trump administration is actually starting to win some of
these fights. i don't think it's necessarily grounded in a lot of facts and i think some of the things rudy giuliani was doing today would not hold up to scrutiny. of course we don't know -- he said mueller hasn't found anything about collusion. he may not have, but how would we know that? he said that we already know that he's found nothing. the point of the investigation is waiting to see with the investigation finds. rudy giuliani is a very effective spin her. i don't think is an effective debater. >> bill: i thought he asked an interesting question, what did the informant find anything in there waiting for an answer. on thursday the president, as he is apt to, gave us this. >> we now call it spygate. you are calling it spygate. a lot of bad things have happened. i want them all to get together. hopefully they will be able to work it out among themselves. >> bill: so there may a report that comes out this week. it could be tuesday or wednesday
which could throw all of this back up in the air. is there a way referring to jonah's point he was making there that they can turn this against bob mueller and his team effectively? >> that's why i think we are a kind of an inflection point here. whether they can really care clearly the effort by the president and rudy giuliani is to do exactly that. he used in the conversation with you illegitimate and break multiple times as terms to describe what's going on here. in reference to the mueller investigation as much as anything else. if they can get the spygate narrative going it discredits james comey, rod rosenstein, the attorney general and by extension it will eventually discredit the mueller investigation great >> bill: that could be a problem for the mueller side that you get there. >> you have to keep in mind that almost a year passed between the time this informant was used and bob mueller even came into existence as special counsel. on the merits of it i think mueller is not tainted by this
but in the public perception is that may be a big problem. >> bill: there was an intelligence briefing, two of them on thursday. members of congress come out and no one has talked. adam schiff read from a piece of paper. this is what he said after that. >> nothing we are today has changed our view that there is no evidence that any intelligence is he placed a spy in the trump campaign or otherwise failed to follow appropriate procedures and protocols. >> adam schiff has done hundreds of interviews on cable news since the president was elected in his reading from a piece of paper and no one is suddenly leaking. suddenly washington, d.c., is quiet. what are we to make of that? >> i think first of all adam schiff is trying to be very careful. he is simply saying what we learned that the democrats -- what we learned in this meeting for example is that this is a very standard operating procedure that the fbi uses when they are investigating somebody. so in this case every reason to
believe they might gain something, might get information by putting someone into the trump campaign. this is not a spy. this is an informant that fbi uses all the time in their investigating. investigating people, investigating campaigns, very standard operating procedure. >> i think it's very interesting. it does feel like no one quite got what they wanted out of this meeting and someone was told there's a reason why they want to keep this quiet. >> bill: it's not usual to have someone in or around a camn while it's happening. i think the argument is that they were trying to figure out what russia was doing. that's the argument, but we don't know all that he or she got from that. >> bill: it's good to see all of you. have a great holiday weekend. in a moment here our "power player of the week" honoring america's fallen with 24 musical notes.
nearly a quarter million grave markers. it is a holiday tradition here, make every day and memorial day for our fallen heroes. once again he is our "power player of the week" ." >> when you are playing it it's only 24 notes, but it is so meaningful to that family. >> talking about playing taps at the funerals of military veterans and he should know. ♪ >> he's the founder and president of an organization called bugles across america. >> all told how many funerals have you done since you started bugles across america? >> 200,000. in ten years. >> it started back in 2001 congress gave every event the right to a funeral with military honors. including two uniformed officer officers. the problem was the military only had 500 bugler's so they
sent someone to her plate a record of taps on a boombox or an electronic device inside a bugle. tom dey, who played in the marines in the '50s, didn't like it. >> i call it stolen dignity that these veterans can get life taps when we are out there ready to perform life taps. >> so he started his organization including 400 horn players within a year. >> now we have 6,270 horn players. it has become quite an operation. the day runs out of his basement near chicago. families can go on his website to ask for a bugler. a message is sent to every horn player within 100 miles of the funeral. he gives away bugles and helps with uniforms while they get support from foundations, he runs a deficit every year. >> how to make up for the
shortfall? beco i kind of make it up myself. 215, $20,000 a year. >> probably ten. you finish -- the flag has been presented and then the family comes over. the kisses, the handshakes from these families. nothing. no amount of money could ever buy the feeling that i get from the family once i finished the 24 notes buried >> with soldiers killed in iraq and afghanistan plus 1800 veterans of world war ii dying every day there is a flood of funerals. he said he wants to keep going until he dies and then leave his organization in solid shape to carry on. >> i want every family to have life taps at that going away presentation of their veteran
and it kind of tells the marines were guarding the gates in heaven, life taps, we are going to let this veteran right in. >> since we first ran that story nine years ago they have grown to more than 5,000 active members who play at more than 4,000 funerals every month. if you want to learn more go to our website. if foxnewssunday.com and there is more information online for you now. chris is back next sunday and that does it for this day. but on this day, take a moment to remember all the men and women who defended our freedom. we will see you on the next "fox news sunday" ." ♪ se,
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