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he hasn't ruled out a credit card but says when he does, he'll use it responsibly to get good credit. >> i'll definitely need to start build my credit and get a credit card soon. >> reporter: consumer reports says there's another benefit to credit cards. they have fraud protection that is some debit cards and other forms of payment may not have. on the consumer beat, tarhonda thomas, 9news. coffee people! coffee people, you struggle is real! just like this squirrel here. this squirrel got familiar with a discarded coffee cup. she had to be recording. the squirrel is doing the same thing you do every day. do not judge. lindsey shared the video on our facebook page with the
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. this sunday, president-elect trump's administration begins to take shape. general mike flynn, senator jeff sessions, congressman mike pompeo. loyalists all as donald trump turns his campaign rhetoric into a governing reality. i will talk to his incoming chief of staff reince priebus. do democrats in congress work with >> on issues where our values are at stake, where he goes in a divisive direction, we will go against him. >> my interview with chuck schumer and senator bernie sanders. plus the middle class voters who went for obama and then trump. >> i believe hillary clinton was a criminal. >> i talk to voters who turned blue states red about what they expect now from the president
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joining me for insight and analysis are tom friedman, kathleen parker, neera tanden and robert costa. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. president-elect trump spent the weekend at his bedminister, new possible members of his administration including one-time rival and critic mitt romney who is reportedly being considered for secretary of state as well as michelle reed, a democrat who ran the school system in washington, d.c. she could be the next education secretary. but mr. trump has made one thing clear it's that he's not tacking to the middle as many conservatives perhaps had feared or liberals had hoped.
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states. for jeff sessions of alabama, tireless opponent of illegal immigration and has been accused of making racially insensitive statements. and for cia chief, representative mike pompeo of kansas, critic of hillary clinton, he has gotten bipartisan praise for that pick. that's no team of rivals. so far, the choices represent security over civil liberties and loyalists republican senators were supportive of the choices and democrats in the most part particularly in jeff sessions, sharply opposed. joining me now from donald trump's club in new jersey is the head of the republican national committee, is president-elect trump's new incoming chief of staff, reince priebus. congratulations on the new job. >> appreciate you having me on. >> is it fair to conclude -- i have talked to a few people close to your campaign.
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and that is simply that, it's rud rudy giuliani or mitt romney for secretary of state? >> i think if you see the entire picture here, what i think americans should take from this is the fact that we have a president-elect trump that wants to bring all americans together. he started with the speech that he gave on wednesday morning, a very graciously saying no matter who you are, no matter your background, i will be here for you, making proud of our country. what you saw with mitt romney, pe l coming in, is a continuation of this bridge building and this scene that all americans should take in that he wants to bring us all together. the meeting with mitt romney itself though i will tell you was a very good meeting. it was graciously and personable. and it was very sincere. and it was productive. so i don't -- we don't know where it will lead right now. but i can tell you that it was a great first step. and people should be proud of
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operation. >> would it surprise you if president-elect trump selected mitt romney for secretary of state? >> you know, look, i'm not sure who he is going to select. but i do -- >> would that surprise you? >> he is talking to the right people. giuliani, keane, kelly. he has talked to mitt romney, obviously. we will see where it goes. it's a good sign for all americans. >> i want to talk about, obviously, donald trump ran especially on the end the phrase call that into question, perhaps some conflicts of interest, his daughter ivanka was seen pictured at the meeting with the japanese prime minister. there is some businessmen from india who have deals with the president-elect's organization, they had a meeting with the president-elect, took pictures of it, creating this idea that maybe they will end up profiting
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divestment or blind trust of donald trump and his businesses? >> that's being handled. there's nothing being discussed of any import. >> how do we know that? >> the meetings are cursory. >> you didn't bring the press in. >> all of these things -- all of these rules are going to be followed. there's no -- there's going to be no violation of any rules, i can assure you of that. as we matters are going to be more clearly spelled out. you will be aware of it. look, the one person i can tell you that makes these decisions is donald trump. families have been involved with their fathers in administrations. i can assure you though, what you are seeing donald trump do right now is bring the best and the brightest together to make the best decisions for america, for all americans, no matter who you are. >> at the end of the day, how
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there have been reports that the trump hotel in washington, d.c. that ambassadors were encouraged to bring visiting delegations and have them stay at the trump hotel in washington, d.c. is that true? >> no, it's not true at all, chuck. and i think what we have here is it's truly a unique situation where you have an international business person that has done now going to work towards focusing 24/7 to be the president. in the coming days and weeks, the americans will see that. >> no member of the liberal media, the political damage to a new administration could be extensive. if mr. trump doesn't liquidate,
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pecuniary motive any time he takes a policy position. they believe it's untenable for trump or his kids to have any control over the organization while he is president. does the president-elect share that view? >> look, we're looking at this right now as well. like i said before, we're going to make sure that no matter what decisions are made, they're run through counsel. as you know, there's a white house counsel's office that will be there, that will be opinions. these matters will be dealt with accordingly. donald trump, our new president, is going to spend every hour, every minute of the day making america proud of where we're going and making america great again but also making the decisions that benefit everyone the most in this country. i think we're just getting ahead of ourselves a little bit. i can assure you the work will continue. the best and brightest will be brought together, no matter the background, political
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>> let me ask you about the appointment of general mike flynn. there are two corner offices in the white house. you will be in one. he will be in the office. in february, flynn listed bombings perpetrated by muslims with the comment, fear of muslims is rational. can you equivocally rule out a registry for muslims? >> look, i'm not going to rule out anything. have a registry based on a religion. what i think what we're trying to do is say there are some people -- certainly not all people, chuck. there are some people that are radicalized. and there are some people that have to be prevented from coming into this country. president-elect trump's position is consistent with bills in the house and senate that say the following. if you come -- if you want to come from a place or an area around the world that harbors
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to suspend that operation until a better vetting system is put in place. when that happens, when the better vetting system is put in place, then the radical folks -- they will not be allowed in. but then others will be allowed in. but only until that is done. that's what general michael flynn believes. that's what president trump believes. >> does president-elect trump agree that fear of m rational? >> he believes that no faith in and of itself should be judged as a hwhole. there are some people in countries abroad that need to be prevented from coming into this country. i think that's where 99% of americans are at. >> reince priebus, appreciate the time. thanks for sharing your views. >> thank you. on friday i traveled to michigan for a story on middle
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trump over hillary clinton. we will have that later in the hour. while i was there, i took a break to interview the new senate democratic leader chuck schumer. he began by telling me that senate democrats would give a very thorough vetting to jeff sessions. and that he had tough questions for mike flynn, though he doesn't need senate confirmation, who is mr. trump's choice for national security advis advisor. i asked whether he think they work with him when they can. >> well, my test is the specifics. we're not going to work with him for the sake of working with him. we're not going to oppose him just because he says -- it's something that trump sponsors. let me give you a couple examples on both sides. surprisingly, on certain issues, candidate trump voiced very
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s. changing our trade laws dramatically. a large infrastructure bill. cleaning up the swamp in washington. these are things that democrats have always stood for and frankly republicans have always been against. we're going to challenge we will challenge president trump to work with us on that. if he doesn't, he will break his promise of blue collar workers, many of whom voted for him on those issues. at stake, the president goes in a divisive direction, where his campaign did before, we will go against him and with everything we've got. we're not going to repeal or help him repeal obamacare. we are not going to roll back dodd-frank. they should forget about that. we have 60 votes to block them. we're not going to help him build his wall. we have a comprehensive immigration bill that builds
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we're not going to oppose him just because it's trump. we're going to stick to our values and oppose hiv wm where opposes those. i hope on the promises he made to blue collar america, on trade, on carried interest, on infrastructure, that he will stick with them and work with us even if it means breaking with the republicans who have always opposed these things. >> you know, you may have the longest relationship of any current u.s. senator with donald trump. i know you frequently speak with him. i'm curious how frequently have you spoken with him post election? >> well, look, number one, i didn't know him that well. we would see each other occasionally at events in new york. but i really didn't know him very well. >> you did a walk on on "the apprentice." >> well, they asked me to do it. i really don't know him that well. i learned far more about him in the campaign. i was troubled by a whole lot of
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colleagues is, you know, president obama met with him and said the presidency is a sobering experience. so i hope that president trump will rise to the occasion. and when he does, we will try to be supportive. but when he doesn't, we will use everything we've got to oppose him. >> i'm interviewing you from the suburbs of detroit. we're doing a big focus on what happened, for instance, in a place where there were obama trump voters. why do you believe you lost the democratic party and hillary clinton lost these voters that voted obama in '08 and '12 and voted trump in '16, particularly in a place like michigan. >> when you lose an election like we did, we can't look away at at it. you have to analyze what you did wrong. my preliminary reading is simple. we did not have the kind of
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a message that talked about how rigged the system was in washington. what i hope to do as our democratic leader is craft policies and platform and message that are bold on economic issues, that are strong on economic issues, that don't just nibble around the edges. and what that will do, i believe, is unite not only democrats in the senate. you have even in our leadership team this ki o elizabeth warren on our team as well as joe manchen. but unite america. i don't think there should be a choice. people say, should we go after the obama coalition or the blue collar workers? a bold, strong economic message will unite both of them, both groups. it will appeal to the worker, the factory worker, the college
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>> let me finally ask you about the supreme court. obviously, you were not pleased with how senate republicans handled the garland nomination. i assume barring some miracle for your side, it is not going to be brought up during the lame duck. >> pray for that miracle. >> are you going to -- are you comfortable filibustering any pick that a president trump makes? and if that fear the nuclear response essentially by the republican srepublicans? >> first, i hope president trump picks a mainstream candidate. a mainstream candidate is something you may not agree with on every issue but believes in precedent and following the law. >> what does that mean -- can he nominate somebody in your mind that is, say, ted cruz? is he too conservative for you? >> i'm not going to get into
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if it is mainstream, you have to remember the last four nominees, two from president bush, two from president obama, got bipartisan support on the bench. if he doesn't nominate a mainstream candidate, we're going to go at him with everything we have or her. go at the candidate with everything we've got because this is so, so important. now, you know, senator mcconnell has use the filibuster. but they don't come with clean hands having delayed garland for a year. further more, i was the person when the rules were changed back a few years ago when leader reed changed the rules, i said, let's not do the supreme court. we should have 60 votes, which we still do, because we should get bipartisan support. so i hope both president trump
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recognize those facts. >> all right. senator chuck schumer, i have to leave it there. democrat from new york. the new senate democratic leader. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> i did that on friday. as the interview was airing, donald trump tweeted the following about chuck schumer. i have always had a good relationship with chuck schumer. he is smarter than harry r, referring to harry reid, and has at built t the ability to get things done. there you go. democrats who voted first for preside president obama and then donald trump. then we will hear from senator then we will hear from senator bernie sanders. welcome to the world 2116, you can fly across town in minutes or across the globe in under an hour. whole communities are living on mars and solar satellites provide earth with unlimited clean power.
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if something doesn't seem right. at bp, safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. let's dig in with the panel. kathleen friedman. welcome to you all. robert, i want to start with you. romney, giuliani, how real is romney's secretary of state? you are quick with the trump scoops. what you got? >> my trump sources tell me romney is very much in the running for secretary of state. trump likes his look, he likes his background. he wants to make an overture to the republican establishment. for trump, he knows his reputation not only at home but around the world. he wants to maybe have a
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romney brings a different face because he is the epitome of goodness and would be, i think, a very smart move for trump to put him up front as the face to the rest of the world. as somebody joked, if you took an american flag and turned it into a human being, it would look like mitt romney. >> you have to have a good relationship though with the national security advisor. i bring this up, thomas, as somebody who covered plenty of white house and international this is by former colleagues, people that worked with him, they did it anonymously. you have covered general flynn back in the days of the first afghanistan surge. what do you know of him? >> i have seen general flynn in iraq, afghanistan, washington at the dia. i don't know the general flynn who has been tweeting.
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the most intelligent intelligent officers we have had. he and stan mccrystal together created the killing machine that took down al qaeda in iraq. they did it in an amazing way, leveraging big data. they would take down a terrorist leader, take his computer and cell phone and pour it into a computer, find links and do one raid and another and another. i don't know mike flynn but that mike flynn is a serious, intelligent guy. >> qualified? >> the old mike i don't know the new mike flynn. >> yeah. i would say the new mike flynn is deeply worrying. that's who we have seen for the last year. someone who has attacked muslims as awe group, someone who has tweeted also from the alt right, basically things that seem racist on their face. and also, in a more disturbing level, we found out that he is actually as a lobbyist been getting security briefings.
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entities, foreign companies that are linked to foreign governments and has been receiving briefings while he is doing that. i think in it the drain the swamp concern, there's something still there. >> one thing on flynn, we're talking about list world view and combative personality. but his association with trump, how close he is, it's revealing about this whole transition. he is there because he is loyal. he was one of the early people who would go up to the top of trump tower, brief trump on foreign flynn was in the running for vp because he was there early. >> what we should learn here? i'm talking about, a team of rivals or is is it going to be loyalists? >> national security, you have to have a secretary of state, a secretary of defense that are able to work together and are basically aligned on their priorities. >> they need to be aligned. >> they have to be basically aligned. >> romney and flynn doesn't feel like an a -- that feels -- it doesn't work. giuliani and flynn to me is more
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kathleen? >> gosh, well if you want -- if you want to present a fierce presence to the rest of the world, those two combined would certainly put fear in the hearts of our allies and enemies as well. the other thing about mitt romney -- i think really today we should change his name to mike romney, since that seems -- >> if you are a mike you have a better chance. >> remember in the second debate with obama, romne person who said in our greatest geopolitical foe is russia. he practically got laughed off the stage. this man is not -- he is no novice when it comes to foreign affairs. many of the other things he setd h said have come to be true. >> i want to go back to the ethics thing. are the trump folks aware that this is something that could blow up? i thought it was interesting
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dismiss. >> the question is, who is having this conversation with the president-elect in a confrontational way about his family, about his business? a lot of people around donald trump don't want to engage with him on that level on that topic. >> that's deeply concerning. the idea that a president would profit from the presidency is -- he said he would work for the people, not himself. when you look at the infoma with indian businessmen who want to do more business, the idea that the hotel he has is basically pushing foreign dignitaries to stay at his hotel, give the hotel money in order to curry favor with him. that is -- >> listen -- >> he does not seem to want to divest. >> i think he has to realize he
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>> he responded. >> a friend of mine says, the cell phones, five years ago they were a portable x-ray machine. now they're a portable mri machine. they can see everywhere. they can tell the world what they see without an editor, a lawyer or filter. that can work for you and it can really work against you. >> i'm going to end this. this is why everybody will buy his book. >> note to public officials, don't tweet. >> i don't know. i think it's good. we're are. let's pause the conversation here. when we come back, we will hear from some of those white blue collar voters who abandoned hillary clinton for donald trump. what do they expect from their new president? plus, quite a few of them were bernie sanders voters. i will talk to senator sanders about how he thinks democrats should respond. should respond. stay with ?jake reese, ?day to feel alive??
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the upper midwest. look at them all. 12 in michigan, 22 in wisconsin and 32 of these obama trump counties in iowa. >> obama didn't necessarily disappoint me, i guess. he didn't fulfill everything that i wanted. >> this man, one of a group of voters i sat down with in warren voted obama in 2008 and 2012. >> we wanted change. we had to get out of the bush adminisio we were told lies. >> this time, he picked trump. what made you vote for him? >> what made me vote for him is the fact that i believe that hillary clinton was a criminal. >> this man owns little joe's coney island, a diner. >> i hear people saying, well, he is a billionaire. he can't be bought. that's what people are saying. they can't control him. >> he came, right?
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here. i think a lot of people feel like she took it for granted, like it was always been a blue state and she had it. >> it's car country. there are plants. between 2000 and 2010, half of the manufacturing jobs vanished. some have come back. household income is down 25%. pensions are gone or disappearing. the cost of health care is up. >> if i'm lose one plant. >> voters expect trump to keep those promises. >> put us all to work. give us the opportunity to earn a living and take care of our families. that's it. it's that simple. >> job creation. not doing all our jobs offshore. >> macomb is diversifying quickly. >> you don't hear young people talk about how proud they are to be american anymore. >> i see my children having a
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change. >> with it have come some cultural changes. >> i don't like the fact that now you can have a transgender person go into any bathroom. >> across the political spectrum, voters aren't sure trump will be able to unite the country. >> how he has talked about me, my daughters and women, who he is appointing being all white men, to me reaching out is having women and women's issues in the forefront. >> my father muslim from kosovo. stop the rhetoric that's out there where people are being offended, attacked or whatever the case may be because they're minorities, they have a different look to them, a different name to them. they practice a different religion. he has the chance to unite us all. >> by the way, remember the 12 obama to trump counties in michigan?
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clinton in nine of them in the primary. bernie sanders beat her in all 22 of the counties in wisconsin that went from obama to trump in the wisconsin democratic primary. joining me is bernie sanders out with a new book called "our revolution." welcome back to "meet the press." >> good to be with you. >> just those county stats alone in wisconsin and michigan, the fact of the matter is, they're clearly -- i ran into them. there were people supporters of you. you were for some trump supporters and for some of your supporters, clinton was not the second choice. they chose to stay home. do you think would you have had a better chance of carrying michigan and wisconsin if had you been the democratic nominee? >> chuck, i don't know that t does a lot of good to look back. we have to look forward. we have to hear what the workers were saying just a few moments ago and what they were saying is, they're sick and tired of seeing their standard of living go down. they are sick and tired of seeing jobs go to china and
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our trade policies and tell corporate america to start investing in this country and not in countries all over the world. we have to raise the minimum wage. we need pay equity for women workers. it means to say that we have to create jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. we have to make public colleges and universities tuition free. in other words, what all of that is about is the working class of this country. for the last 40 years has been decimated. the rich are getting richer. they want real change. i'm going to do everything that i can as part of the new leadership in the democratic party to bring about that change. >> one of the things that you hear about is job retraining for folks that are displaced by trade agreements. i want to play you a quote from the coo of a company, an auto parts manufacturer. he was talking about the problems with some of the retraining programs.
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floor and you are 40 years old, you don't want to do a computer job. you want to make things. >> essentially, the job retraining programs and some of the vo-tech programs, too computer based. he was complaining of a lack of skilled labor but physical skilled labor. >> i think we have to move forward on all fronts. we have to do -- not everybody wants to go to college. that's fine. god knows, there are enormous amounts of work out there that don't require a college degree. we have to get people the training to do that. which is why we have to rebuild our inner cities. we have to rebuild our infrastructure. there's a need for affordable housing in this country. we can put millions of people to work rebuilding this country. and that is what we have to do. on the other hand, in a highly competitive global economy, we do need the best educated work force in the world. we have to make public colleges and universities tuition free.
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start paying their fair share of taxes. >> senator sanders, the progressive movement, democratic party is having a debate about whether to work with donald trump when there's agreement. i want to read for you something. bottom line is this. do you not work with him until he shows some contrition on some of the social issue s? >> let us be very clear, chuck. when donald trump helped lead the birther movement, that was
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legitimacy of the first african-american president we ever had. that was racist. that was disgraceful. the african-american community and all of us deserve an apology. when he talks about latinos or mexicans as criminals and rapists, that is outrageous. when he says one of the largest religions in the world islam, people who are muslims cannot visit the united states, enter the united states, that's an outrage. on those issues, let me be very clear, speaking only for myself. we have come too far as a country to try to move forward in a non-discriminatory way to go backwards and see us divided by racism. on the other hand, issues like raising the minimum wage. donald trump has talked about he is not going to cut social security, medicare and medicaid. he is going to work to
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been working on for years. if he wants to work with us on those issues, i accept that . >> you don't accept the premise you shouldn't work with him under any circumstance? >> right. he has said outrageous things. he needs to apologize to the american people. there are people all over this country who are really frightened. the other thing, chuck, is climate change. it is beyond comprehension that we have a president-elect hoax when the whole scientific community is telling us -- >> but i want to go back to this other point. what do you say to progressives that say, the republicans essentially united against president obama and guess what, it was good politically for the republican party. what you are describing is going to be perhaps good for those workers you are talking about but it may be bad for the democratic party. what do you say to those progressives? >> we need to protect workers. we need a good strategy to make
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agenda. look, on the issues that i'm talking about, these are the things that i have been fighting for years. but there is no compromise on big bigotry, on climate. we need a strategy. i'm going to work on the strategy, to go to michigan, to go to wisconsin, to stand with working people to demand that we reverse the decline of the american middle class. >> senator sanders, that's all the time i have for today. thanks for coming on and sharing your vie. >> thank you. before we go to break, this week we said good-bye too soon to our friend and colleague gwen ifill. she was a trail trailblazer in field. she broke a barrier everywhere she went. she was tough and fair. yet at the same time brought joy to her work. not to mention, she had a great bs detector, something plenty of
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way. i was honored to have her as a panelist on the show. me made everyone around this table, including myself, smarter. she made over 70 appearances on this program over the years. many times we were on the show together with someone we both called a mentor, tim russert. just eight weeks ago, she reflected on the opening of the new national museum of african-american history and culture. >> the emotion of the people in that audience, mostly blacks, singing full reminded me of one of the things that are true in this country, which is that we want to, we aspire to, we hope to make it a better union. yet we see the clash, the hopefulness of the beautiful museum put up against what we have seen happen in the streets. [vo] wells fargo is making changes to make things right. first, all customers who have been impacted
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are defined as states that flipped from 2012 or decided by five points or less, it's reversed. trump leads clinton by 863,000 votes. of course, the states are all called battleground states for a reason. they are competitive. in fact, we looked at the vote in some key battleground states going back to the '92 presidential election. get this. in virginia, out of more than 20 million votes cast in the last seven elections combined, only republicans and the democrats. in ohio, 34 million presidential votes cast, only 68,000 separate the two major parties. but take a look at florida. out of nearly 50 million votes cast in a presidential race since '92, only 11,296 votes separate the democrats and republicans. that's .02%.
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back now with the panel. what do democrats do? i want to -- the question that i addressed to senator sanders and senator schumer and they both essentially had the same position, they will work with him where they agree. there are democrats that think that's a mistake. where do you come down on this? >> look, i the doubt. but i think the reality is just this week when you see jeff sessions, mike flynn and steve bannon, you know, there's a view that the president has to reach out after a divisive race. we haven't seen much of that. i think democrats are actually -- many democrats, many progressives are deeply worried that we're going to see a divisive presidency --


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