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roll it out and explain it to people so you can make an >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders join me this morning. plus, the republican, donald lead. while the trump/cruz bromance comes to an end. >> bank loans from goldman sachs, bank loans from citibank folks. >> this morning, twoo republicans hoping to benefit from the trump/cruz fight, senator marco governor jeb bush. and my sit down with amal clooney, the human rightsts lawyer and wife ofof george clooney trying to rally america to save an island paradise from the threat of isis. >> you're a woman lying on the beach in the mall dooefdives you might know other women are being flogged. joining me are republican strategist eve schmidt, msnbc's joy-an reid, president obama's 2012 deputy campaign manager stephanie cutter, and radio talk show host hugh hewitt.
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the press." gjod sunday morning and what a sunday morning it is. it's crunch time. four presidential candidates are joining us. with two weeks to go until the first voting we have some truly head snapping developments in both campaigns. in just a few hours, the democratic candidates will gather in charleston, south carolina, for the final debate before iowa and it airs right here on nbc at 9:00 eastern time. but there's big news overseas involving iran, its nuclear program and a prisoner swap. and far we go to nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel live from vienna. >> it has been confirmed the five american prisoners held by iran have been freed, some of them, including the "washington n post" reporter, leaving tehran this morning. it was not exactly part of the nuclear deal but t nuclear deal certainly opened up a dialogue that allowed for this
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that nuclear deal was brokered and announced here in vienna yesterday. it was an enormous breakthrough. this is what people are calling implementation day as the terms of the agreement are starting to take effect. after iraa it has been certified, lived up to its obligation, put checks in place to make it very difficult for iran to develop a nuclear weapon. so what does iran get from this eal? first of all, itit gets access to international markets. it can bank. iranians can move money into and iran can now sell oil legally. also it unfreezes tens of billions of dollars. effectively an economy of 80 million people is now being welcomed back into the international community. chuck? >> richard, thank you very much. let's get backo the presidentntl campaign. in a few minutes we'll get to my
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to grab the establishment lane in the republican race, senator marco rubio and former florida governor jeb bush. but we start with the democrat and a hillary clinton/bernie sanders race that has turned out to be much closer than the experts thought, especially clinton campaign. in fact, we have brand new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll numbers out that has some good news for the clinton campaign. nationally we still have her with a big lead over bernie sanders 59%-34% but in iowa the tory is ddferent. three polls out this week showing neck in neck race including our own nbc news/"wall street journal"/marist polls. quinnipiac found sanders up by 5% and the "des moines register" had clinton up by just 2%. bottom line, it's too close to call. a closer race it has become a more aggressive race against sanders so weegin with hillary clinton who joins us from charleston, south carolina. good morning, secretary clinton. >> good morning, chuck. >> let me start with the iran deal. immediatete said that iranan is
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council resolutions with its ballistic missile program which should be met with new sanctions, desigtions and firm results. so my question is what do you ell the american public that says "you want new sanctions against iran, they're violating agreement bus what did we do? we handed them $100 billion and did a prisoner exchange." would you have done that considering your concerns about their missile program? >> absolutely. look i have said for a long time that i'm very proud of the role that i played in getting us to the point where we could negotiate the agreement that puts a lid on iran's nuclear weapons prograra but i've also said the way we'll hold them accountable is to have consequences when they do anything that might deviate from whe agreement or continue to balk the kind of sanctions and mandates the u.n. securit council has put on, including on
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mutually reinforcing, chuck. i was delighted that the prisoners are on their way home. that's a good sign. we still don't see bob levinson coming home, there's more work to be don there but if the implementation of the agreement which is being done today is to be successful in thth way that i expected we're going to watch iran like the proverbial hawk. when it comes to the missile program, they are under u.n. security council sanctions and if they are violating it -- which the evidence seems to accountable. they need to knows that that this is a good step forward wii respect to the nuclear weapons program but there are other areas of their behavior that we'll continue to be focusedon. >> do you consider iran a tional security threat to the united states? >> well, certainly we have lowered that threat because of the nuclear agreement but theyey
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governments in the middle east. they continue to support proxies and terrist groups like hezzllah, they continue to of concerns. but what i've said for some time now is i'd rather have the nuclear weapons program off to one side and work to make sure they abide by the agreement and turn our attention to some of these other behaviors that are threatening. certainly in the region and therefore cauau concern for usus >> let me move to the campaign. to try to figure out why this race has gotten closer in iowa, why your lead has shrunk in iowa, we spoke to a number of voters. i want to play three soundbites from iowa voters about potential pause they have regarding your candidacy. i'm going to play it and get you to respond on the other side. >> you get the impression from her that she believes maybe the rules don't apply to her. or the same rules don't apply to else. >> she's worked really hard and
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feel that bernie sanders is kind of -- has a little bit more fire lit up in people. >> well, i hear people talking about questioning her honesty. and i don't necessarily do that but i think that's one thing people are kind of not sure and they've felt thh way about bill clinton, too. so i think some of that rubs off. >> madam secretary, how do you answer that pause. th is from democrats some pause e at they have. >> well, firststof all, chuck, i always thought this was going to be close and i can't speak for anybody else but i've worked as hard as i can to build an organization in iowa be out there listening and talking with iowans as they move toward making the first in the nation decision in the caucus on february 1 and i've also been consistent over the course of my public life. if i tell you i'm going to fight for something, i will do my very best to get results. i think that's whyhy i have such
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good about where we are but we'll keep working util the very last caucus is decided on february 1. >> another problem in iowa is you don't ideologically fit. this was in the "des moines register" poll this week. 43% of likely democratic caucus goers identify associalist. only 38% of likely democratic caucus goers identified themselves as a capitalist. you said you were a capitalist, bernie sanders calls himself a democratic socialist. if you don't win iowa, do you think that's the reason? >> oh, i don't know how people take all this information. but i support a free market economy. i suppoo the competitiveness that has created the greatest economic engine in the history of the world. what i am worried about is that it's notot continuing to do what it used to do which is to give the vast majority of a chance to get ahead and stay ahead. that's why i've got a very vigorous jobs agenda.
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at the center of my economic policy and i think what i know will w wrk is to get back the good old-fashioned job opportunities that will help people get ahead through manufacturing, through infrastructure, through clean energy, through the kinds of plans that i've been putting out. look, when we have democrat in the white house -- a democrat -- we do that better economically. we saw that when my husband was president, we saw president obama dig us out of the ditch republican policies put us into, so i'm very confident that i know what will work ifif we have a -- the right commitment as a nation and that's what i want to do as president. >> let ask you about whether -- going in chicago,, right now, mayor rahm emanuel has been under fire has been under fire for what he may have known about a shooting incident. do you think he still has the credibility to heal the wounds in chicago between the
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law enforcement? >> look, like everybody else who watched that video onon television i was just outraged by what happened to laquan mcdonald. i was one of the first to call for a complete department of justice information and, in fact, urged it include the entire chicago police department. this is not a problem that is unique to chicago, unfortunately, and we've got to do more to deal with the systemic racism and the problems that policing has demonstrated. mayor emanuel has said he is completed to complete and total reform and i think he should held to that standard. >> but do you think he still has the credibility to do that? >> that's going to be up to him and up to the people of chicago to prove. >> very quickly, the movie "13 hours" about the incident in benghazi. i know there's a lot of chatter about the movie itself. let me asksk you. the controversy involves whether
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night to rescue ambassador stevens. looking back, do you believe everything was done that night that could have been done to save his life? >> based on everything i know and based on a republican-led intelligence committtt investigation, is a republican-led arms services committee investigation, the answer to that is yes. that peopleere scrambng trying to figure out whatould bebe done if anything and i can't speak to a movie but i know people have raised questions about some of the dramatization. itestified for more than 11 hours, as you know i answered every question i was asked. my real focus, chuck, is what do we do to make sure thatate send americans into harm's way -- military or civilian, diplomats or soldiers -- we take every precaution to the best of our ability in what is an unpredictabab and dangerous world to make sure they can discharge their duties and be
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>> secretary clinton, i have to leave it there. we look forward to seeing you tonight on stage in charleston for thehe democratic debate here on nbc. thank you. >> thanks a lot. >> you got it. just a few minutes ago i interviewed bernie sanders and i bean by asking him about the issue of gun safety. >> let me start with one of the issues that's likely to come up tonight at the bedebate, that's the issueef gun safefe. last night in what the clinton campaign is referring to as a debate-eve conversion you came out in favor of essentially repealing immunity for gun manufactururs when it comes to bebeg held liable for gun deaths. that's a switch of your positions. what brought you to this conclusion? >> well, not really. you know, i understand that secretary clinton and her campaign understand that, you know, they're losing ground. we've started this campaign off
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at 3% in the polls, we're closinin in iowa and we're ahead in new mpshire. so i sense in the next few weeks you'll see more -- >> but you did change your position on this. >> what i said several months ago, having a d-minus voting record from the nra, voting to ban assault weapons in 1988, yeah, that was a piece of legislation i wanted to relook at. but whh that leleslation had is a prohibition on armor-piercing bullets, it had language for a child lock safetet for our kids, important provision. there were things i do not like and i was willing to rethink. we have rethought it. there's a bill apparently being introduced, i like that bill, it makes good changes and we will be supportive of it.t. >> another thing that will come up on the issue of sungun sety is the issue of a waiting period.
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you on not being supportive of something longer like a five day or seven day window and the reason this is being brought up is if dylann roof, the man who killed those nine folks in charleston last year, if there had been a longer waiting period he might have been prevented from buying a gun. >> look, what we saw in charleston is a tragedy of unspeakable dimensions. i did some pray a guy did prayer with people then takes out a gun and shoots nine people. i believe very strongly in instant background checks. i think we have to expand it and make sure 100% that we keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have that, people with criminal backgrounds, people who are mentally unstable. that has been my view om day one. but you know, chuck, i think the reason the clinton campaign is getting defense sieve they see that we have the momentum. tha( see the issues we aa tataking about, a disappearing
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wealth going to the top 1%, a corrupt campaign finance system where people like secretary clinton can raise millions of dollars throuou super pacs, those are the issues they don't bant to discuss so tonight we're going to be discussing a lot of issues and the main issues is why the rich get richer, almost everybody else gets poorer and the fact that we have got to stand up to the billionaire class and change those dynamics. >> so you're in in favor of a longer background check? a five, sevv-dayackground chchck? >> we are willing to look at anything that mabs sense, that keeps guns out of the hands of people who should not have them. but i'm not going to be defensive on that issue. i lost an election in 1988, probably lost an election because i had the courage back then to say assault weapons should not be sold in america. >et me ask you quickly about the iran deal. is iran still an enemy of the united states given what's going on? the improved diplomatic relations?
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if you think back to 2007 during the campaign in which secretary clinton ranan against barark obama she was critical of him, a question was asked to obama and said "would you sit down and talk to the iranians?" and he said "yeah, i would." point bag in you taa to yourur adversaries, you don't run away from that. secretary clinton i think called him naive. turns out that obama was right so clearly we have many, many issues and many concerns with iran but clearly also we want to improve our relationship with this very powerful country. i think the agreement to make certaininran does not get a nuclear weapon was a huge step forward. the fact we have the prisoner release was a good important step forward. so i hope we can continue to go forward to improve relations with iran. >> senator sanders, i'll leave it there. we'll look forward to seeing you, secretary clinton and martin o'malley on stage on nbc thank you, sir.
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you heard senator sanders there mentioned hillary clinton in almost every single answer. back in a moment with the republicans -- trump and cruz are finally going at it and nobody may be happier about that development than my next two guests, marco rubio and jeb bush. they joined me right after this. hey marc. how you feeling? don't ask. this is what it can be like thave shingles, a painful, blistering rash. i never thought this would happen to me. if you had chickenpox, e shingles virus is already inside you 1 in 3 people will get shingles in their lifetime. i know he must feel uncomfortable with that rash around his eye. your immune system weakens as you get older,
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definitely ended their mutual non-aggression pact this weekend with a flurry of charges and countercharges and while trump and cruz fight it out at the top, many republicans are desperate for someone to emerge as the establishment candidate. now they're not the only ones beating each other up. yesterday i s soke with two candidates vying far role, senator marco rubio of florida and former florida governor jeb bush. let me begin with rubio. in thursday!s republican debate he took on ted cruz directly, acacsing him of serially changing his positions. >> ted cruz, you used to say you supported doubling the nber of green cards. now you say that you're against it. you used to support a500% increase in the number of guest workers, now you say that you're against it. you used to support legalizing people who were here illegally, now you sayou're againstit. you used to say you were in favor of birth right citizenship, now you say you are against it. and by the way, it's not jst on immigration. you used to support tpa, now you say you're against it. i saw you on the senate floor
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because they told you it would help you in iowa and last week we saw you flip your vote on ethanol in iowa for the same reason. that's not consistent conservatism, that's political calculation. last night i began by asking rubio whether he wasn't also guilty of changing his position miss times, particularly on immigration. >> if circumstances change or you learn something along the way, it's reason to believe say maybe a different approach will work better. so for example on immigration it's clear no comprehensive solution to immigrati is going to pass but don't pretending you never do and don't go around telling everyone like ted cruz does that he e the only consistent conservative running for president. the fact of the matter is, that ted has shown a propensity throughout his career in the u.s. senate to take one position in front of one audience and then change his position in front of another. so he raises money in new york and then criticizes new york values. on the policy issues, hehe used to be ininavor of legalizing people who are here illegally and he
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but then he portray th is sort of notion that he's the harshest and hardest when it comes to that issue. that's not been his regard. and if you recall, that was response to an attack from him in the debate and i think it's important to point out that on the issue he was attacking me on his record used to be something very different. >> let me ask you on the 11 million, are you still for finding a way for them to legally stay in the united states? >> if you're a criminal alien, no, you can't stay. if you're someone that hasn't been here for a very long time you can't stay. >> define "criminal alien." >> a elon. >> so not -- >> under immigration law. i've said that before, that's been -- a felon, someone who's committed a crime, a non-i-iigration related ---- obviously -- and that's what i've talked about in the past. so i don't think you'll round up and de1230r9port 12 million people. it's clear now more than ever that we won't be able to do anything on people here illegally until we first prove
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immigration under control and america is safe. and isis poses a very uniqueue threat, unlike anything we have faced in the past. >> very quickly. you brought up ted cruz and his use of the phrase "new york values." what does that phrase mean to you? >> i've never used that phrase. i think we're all americans. i'm campaigning on behalf of american values and i don't seek to divide people against each other. that's the problem we have with the current president. the problem is ted has raised money in new york. he didn't say that when he was raising money. he says that i one state and says something different in anotherand time and again he's proven the level of political calculation that voters are only starting to find out about now as the campaign gets deeper and more heated? >> last questio let me talk about the global news of the day having to do with iran. do you think these americans would be coming home if it wasn't for the iran nuclear deal? >> i don't think these americans should have ever bee in prison. they didn't do anything wrong. they are hostages. and so now we have a president
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exchange for prisoners who did commit a crime and were convicted after due process and a trial and everything of that sortrtand what the president is now doing, not just with this but what he did with the castro brothers and what he did with bergdahl is he's put a price on the head of every american abroad. our enemies now know if you can pture an american, you can get something meaningful in exchange for it. i'm glad they're coming home and the case of bob levinson remains unresolved. the iranians know where he is and they're not cooperating. we need to continue to remember about him. that said it doesn't -- at the end of the day when i am presidentially repeal the deal with iran. lilt end when i am presidentnt we'll reimpose sanctions and if iran tries to build a nuclear weapon program, we will stop. >> it under president rubio, you would not have negotiated any sort of prisoner exchange for those four american hostages? >> when i become president of the united states, our adversaries around the world will know that america is no longer under the command of someone weak like barack obama and it will be like ronald reagan where as soon as he took
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we would impose additional sanctions, not just congressional sanctions now -- >> you wouldn't h hveiven iran anything? you wouldn't have given iran everything -- >> we would have gotten them home. >> without giving them anything? >> well, we would have given themm sanctions, c cppling sanctions. in fact there never would have been a discussion on these deals until they were released. iran needs more from us than we need from them. we needto remind ourselv of that and at the end of the day, these are people that view these sorts of things as weakness. that's why this week they captured our sailors, tried to humiliate them on video, putting their hands behind theiei back and putting them on their knees and videotaping them apologizing. that doesn't happen when i'm president because they will know we have a strong president, unlike the weak one that we have now. >> senator marco rubio traveling in iowa, stay safe on the trail. thanks for coming on, sir. >> thank you. joining me now is the former governor of florida, jeb bush from the snowy state of new hampshire this weekend. governor welcomemeack to "meet the press."
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>> hey, i want to start with something you said to kathleen parker twtw days before thursday's debate. you said to her -- referring to donald trump -- "i'm going after him, the problem is there's too much low hanging fruit." then you tick off that you'll highlight trump's multiple bankruptcies, company's massive layoff, people "getting stiffed" including a widow by the name of vera coking wse houou trump attempted to replace with a parking lot referring to eminent domain issue. it was detailed. governor, i don't remember that happening on thursday night. what happened? >> we talked about the 45% tariff he has been advocating that would create a global depression and lay people off and create hardship. retaliated by chinese, the chinese and making sure we couldn't t ll our boeing planes that are being made a mile away from where the debate took place. i had my chance and i was the only person that goes after trump on these issues. he's not a conservrvive and should the opportunity comeme up in the next debate to talk about
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four times he went bankrupt and he claims he was just using the law but a lot of people got wiped out because of that. and the imminent domain issue is really a symbol of conservatism. conservatives believe we should use ittor public use, not private purpose. >> there's been an outside group that has been hammering donald trump on this on the airwaves in both iowa and new mpshire. none of this stuff sticks. how does this guy h he teflon.n. you've gone after him hard. i could argue you've probably gone after him more than any other candidate on that stage. you're on the air with a tv ad hitting him. bututhe's got a teflon about him. what do you make about it? >> well, there's a lot of anxiety, people are so angry with washington and so frustrated about their own lives. i saw a survey that 63% of people can't afford a car repair of 500 bucks and more than half of americans have less than a thousand dollars in savings. and the big guy comes in and offers the moon a a the stars
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the reality is he's not offering anything to lift people up and i think the cumulative effect of pointing that out -- respectfully, look, the guy is entertaining for sure but his ideas aren't going to help people and he doesn't have the skills to bring people together and he has no proven leadership skills in the public domain so my path is to say i do, i've got a proven record, i don't run away from the fire, i don't blame&other people, i don't disparage people, i try to unite around a common purpose, i got to do that as governor and the ideas i'm laying out would help ameeca and that's my path. >> right when you announced in july you said the following, you argued that finding a way to reweave the web of stability before progress on substantive issues can be made. essentially you said that has to be first, second, third, fourthth priority because after you get stability then you can deal with these other issues. obviously this is not a civil time in tis republican primary debate and i guess i'm wondering, do you just have the wrong temperament for what republican primary voters are
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>> no, look, i'm talking about washington, d.c. the r rson why people are angry ininhe republican primary is there's no stability in washington. the president's first impulse is to push someone away and down to make himself look bigger and higher. we have to have a president that solves problems. >> about a month ago when it came to donald trump there was leaks from your campaign that you were looking for a way to say "you know what, i can't support him if he becomes the nominee." you've since backed off in some of your harsher criticism on him. is that a fair way to read this that you decided no, i can support him if he's the nominee, even if i'm not happy about it. >> look, the prospects of ss of hillary clinton or bernie sanders to be the president of the united states is chilling to me. i'm going to win the nomination, that's my focus, that's what i'm trying to do but anybody would be better than hillary clinton or bernie sanders. so o m critical -- >> so you here in on trump if it's him? >> he's not going to win the
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continue to be critical of him when he doesn't advocate conservative principles. he's running if for conservative party's nomination, he suld be a conservative and he hasn't shown it. >> is there a pointthere you think it's important for more mainstream conservatives to unite around one candidate at some point to stop a ted cruz or donald trump because you don't think they can win? >> the point is that we're running for presidency right now and new hampshire and iowa and south carolina and nevada will shape the election in march. we're on every ballot. we have the resources to g g the distance and i'm going do it. >> we have a lot to chew over. when we come back, we deal just that. the new york state of mind for the front-nners on the republican side. ted cruz apologizes -- not really -- for his new york values comment and donald trump is hitting back and hitting back and hitting back. later human rights attorney amal clooney who happens to be georr clooooy's wife on the small island paradise that has back breeding ground for isis.
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i'm happy to apologize. i apologize to the millions of neneyorkers who have been let down by liberal politicians in that state. >> a lot of people do not like ted, to put it mildly, i kept saying am i the only person who thinks he's a nice guy? as it turned out, he finally went off the wagon a little bit and went a little crazy. welcome back. the two front-runners, donald trump and ted cruz, are no longer playing nice. panelist steve schmidt republican strategist and former senior advisor to john mccain in '08. joy-ann reed, author of "fracture," stephanie cutter, deputy campaign manager for president obama in 2012, and hugh hewitt, host of the hugh hewitt show. let's start, trump versus cruz, hugh, is this the fight the establishment has been waiting for? >> well, it's certainly got jeb bush's attention. i heard jeb tell you the big guy from new york. the last time a big guy from new york took k m at a would-be president born outside the country was july 11, 1804 with aaron burr and alexander hamilton. it was not good for either man's
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fight is good for either man's career. . >> steve? >> look, right now you look at trump's strength across the country in the national polls, all these establishment candidates -- kasich, rubio, bush, christie -- they need ted cruz to beat donald trump in iowa. if ted cruz doesn't win the state of iowa, donald trump is gone. he'll win new hampshire, he'll be very, very tough to catch as this race moves south and into the bigger states. >> i think the problem is for the establishment wing of the party is that the lane is closing quickly. i think even if you saw all of the establishment candates person, our polling and other polling is showing that in a three-way race between trump, cruz, and fill in the establishmenencandidate "x," trump wins in a two-way a race, even%rubio. >> let me put up the numbers. you're helping the produdurs, i love it. let me put the numbers up, the three-way race that those
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two-way pairings. cruz versus trump, cruz wiwi. trump versus rubio, trump wins. what does that tell you to me? establishment can't win? >> that's right. i don't think there's enough strength -- not being the "republican" at the table, there doesn't seem to be much more room in the lane for establishment candidates. i think cruz is as bad a scenario because he spent his entire cararr blowing up his home team's court. >> who do democrats want to run against, trump or cruz? >> there's pathways on both. let me just say that. but back to the e lling. i think k 's interesting if you look at these polls, as many as half of both cruz and trump support say that they're open to persuasion to other candidates. it's sort ofofoft support these two have, so what they're doing to each other could provide an opening. >> i disagree with steve because i think the knife fight is bleeding them both. trumwill win iowa, donalal trtrp will win new hampspsre but that allows consolidation to happen. i think we're going to
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convention,because it's too much fun to stop. it really is. we're going to cleveland but if donald trump wins iowa, couldn't he be the nominee before hillary clinton? >> i think he'll absolutely be the nominee before hillary clinton. look, winning early mamaers in these contests. this is a momentum business and past is prologue here. you win iowa, you win new hampshire, it puts you in good position going into south carolina, ultimately to florida, ultimately to the primary on march 1. so if donald trump wins in iowa, give me the scenario b bwhich anyone catches him in new hampshire and south carolina and at the end of the day the person who gets the most vote, they win. i think the chances of an open convention, brokered convention, i think, are v vy, very minimal. >> i think when the son and brother of former president is conceding you're the big man in the race, that's a concession you cannot walk back from. >> you b bught it up. i have to say thatatas -- >> that was a big line. the take-away of the morning. >> it was a little surprisingly deferential.
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admission against interest that there's a big guy in the race that you can't big down. >> that's how he feels. and it's shining through everything he says and does. he feels like trump has taken all the oxygen, he's untouchable, and while jeb has good ideas and, you know, has been effective as a governor, he can't understand why trump is winning. >> steve, you were -- you cut your teeth being a guy that knew how to push a negative message, i say this as a compliment. you have rubio trying toaint cruz as a flip-flopper. is that possible? ted cruz is s guy that i don't think if you watch -- nobody's going to -- are people going to think he's some sort of establishment finger in the wind politician? that will be tough to sell, isn't it? >> i think it's s ry tough to sell and it misses the point about what the race is about. you have an exasperated jeb bush wondering how is it that theig guis ahead in the race? well, he's ahead because he sucked up the oxygen. that's not the case.
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blueollar, no wage growth in 25 yeaea, these people and republicans in general believe that barack obama has won, he has changed america, and that he didiit over a complicit, feckless, corrupt republican congress. when donald trump says "make america great again," that's a powerful message for that republican electorate. >> i do think on cruz, however, these arguments that rubio is making, they happen to have the virtue of being true on ted cruzuz. i don't think it's going to hurt him in the primaries but if he becomes the general election candidate he will get decimated. >> and the flip-flopping has occurred in rubio's own career. i mean, marco rubio's raison d'etre in washington was to get immigration reform done. he's been walking himself back and he's changing the reason why. >> team cruz is happy with w wt happened over the last 48 hours,
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iowa. ve never run a a natioiol campaign, i didn't stay at a holiday inn last night. team cruz is very happy so is team rubio. >> i'm going to play very quickly, i want to show you the cruz campaign pushing out this hit on donald trump. it's donald trump praising hillary clinton. i'll play a quick piece of it here. >> hillary clinton i think is a terrific woman. i'm a little biased because i've known her for years, i le in new york, she e ves in new york. i know her very well and i know her husband very well. >> jeb bush tried this with donald trump six months ago and it didn't work. with ted cruz doing it can it work? >> yes. ted cruz is messaging into the iowa caucuses -- >> he can message this better? >> yes, i believe that. >> do you believe that? >> this is the time to be doing it. this is hohoyou want to close the race. >> this isn't news to anybody. it allows donald trump to sell a virtue, which is honesty that, hey, i was in business and when i was in business i needed to be friends with everybody. it's what people tend to believe and he's not penalized for these relationships. he's credited with the honesty
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>> by the way, the people pporting donald trump are not necessarily the e rd core conservatives. those people are with ted cruz. i don't think he pays a penalty with them. >> some of them probably voted for bill clinton back in the '90s. some of these trump supporters. we'll take a pause. we have takes on the democratic race. but up next, something different. my sit-dn with amal clooney, she's a human rights lawyer and has a famous lasasname because she's the wife o ogeorge clooney. we talked about her efforts to win freedom for a key political prisoner. right after this. name b those new glasses? they are. do i look smarter? yeah, a little. you're making money now, are you investing? well, i've been n ing some researcrc let me introduce you to our broker. how much does he charge? i don't know. okay. uh, do you get y yr fees back if yoyore not happy? (dad laughs) wow, you're laughing. that's not the way the world works. well, the world's changing. are you asng enough questions about the way your wealth is managed? wealth management, at charles schwab.
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she's always stood strong... ...to get the job done. hillary clinton. she stood up to china... ...and spoke out on women's rights... ...went toe to toe with russia on human rights. the dr and insurance companies spent millions against her... ...but hillary didn't quit until eight million children got health care. i've never been called a quitter and i wot quit on you. she's got what it takes to do the toughest job in the world. i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. welcome back. amal cloonene was a prominent lawyer long before she acquired a famous name from her husband, hollywood actor george clooney.
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in washington as she met with lawmakers to discuss the flight of her client, mohammed nashid, he's the former democratically elected president of the maldives. the maldives arere known as idyllic vacation destination but they've become a top recruiting ground for isis. this former president was thrown into prison as what he described as simply a coup and he was sentenced to 13 years. suddenly the government announced it would allow nashid to travel to the united kingdom for back suuery butit's nott clear that will happen now and it may have a pr stunt timed for clooney's trip to washington. i sat down with her this week and began by asking what she was hoping to accomplish o o this trip to washington. >> you have an increasing authoritarian regime where protesters are being rounded up and arrested. where lawyers are being attacked, tv stations arar being closed down and every opposition leader in the country is now
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persecute bid the government. sosoy client is one of them. he was subjected to a political show tral, as has been recognized by the u.n. and others. since i've been in washington, i've been meeting with members of the administration and members of congress to discuss the imposition of targeted sanctions againstst members of the regime. >> let me ask you a basic question that many in america when they hear stories like this it's tragic but they say "why is this america's problem?" >> i undedetand the question. ldives is not usually top of anyone's political agenda. holiday destinations. there are two reasons, first of all, u.s. values are at stake. we just had the president's state of the union address and he said american leadership? the 21st century means rallying the wwld around causes thatare right. and that -- and he gave an example of the u.s. supporting ukraine's fight for democracy
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for, too, in this case. e people from maldives have a right to democracy and their democracy is under threat at the moment. there's another reason which is also not very well known. just last month, the european parliament issued a report saying g at at the moment the maldives has the highest per capita rate of recruitment for isis in the world. and this is really shocking. so the figures that have been released by t t state department say 200 fighters have gone from the maldives to iraq or syria. >> is this a country you feel is enabling isis and is serving as a breeding ground for isis? >> the president has made speeches saying there's only reason for islam in the maldives and sharia punishment should be imposed. you've had fighters who've gone to isis come back to the country and not be prosecuted. also last year you had a rally on the streets of mali where people were waving isis flags and the plice did not crack down on those, there were no arrests that took place so you certainly have a regime that could be doing a lot more to minimize the terrorist threat.
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were attacked by one of the -- atat the time vice presidents that helped end the coup. he chalked you up to bei just part of the hollywood fictional world that i i tryryng to make up things about the maldives. >> yes. >> and what happened to this gentleman? >> so his attack was that i didn't let facts get in the y en i was saying nasheed had been subjected to an unfair trial and there were political prisoners in the country. what's hapned since them is that he himself was arrested cause the president is now increasingly paranoid, i think, and is going after members of his own party having dealt with his t opposition in its entirety. he now sits in a jail cell and penned aaery different op-ed and said "what are these lawyers talking about? "he now says -- and i believe this is a direct quote "i join the swelling ranks of political prisoners many the maldives, includidi president nasheed." and he also adds "any casual observer of the judicial system? the maldives knows it's
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>> is this a casewhere your connection to celebrity, is it an asset or liability in something like this? >> i think it's easy to dismiss criticisms on that basis. i think the kind of attacks i got from that vice president just smacked of desperation and was easy to blow off it so's not something worrying. on the other hand, if in representing this c cient and trying to secure his release and the release of other political prisoners, if people are made aware of the situation in the maldives that's a good thing because there are thousands of tourists going every year and i think if people know what's going on, they might find they don't want to support that regime, either. if you're a woman lying on a beach in the maldives you m mght nt to know a kilometer away another woman is being flogged and you might want to find your own way to protest that. >> next time you're around, give us a call. amal clooney, thanks forcoming. >> thank you. we should note, the maldives government still insists that mohammed nasheed return after his surgery in the united
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end game time. the panel is here, we turn the democrat. stephanie tter, there is a feeling of some democrats of deja vu all over again with hillary clinton and iowa. we spent the week talking to iowa voters about hesitance -- iowa democratat but the hesitann for clinton. here's a compilation. >> she comes from a wealthy, privileged family. so for me it's a bit -- do you understand really what individuals like us, we're underrepresented, may have come from low income families, are you going to understand our standpoint and defend us? >> her tie ins on wall street and connections there whichare very good f f running a government are -- may be exciting for people to view heet the negative.
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e-mail thhg but that's a barometer. first of all there's this kind of denial and oh, well, yeah, and, then oh, well, we paid the uy. it's not like you're getting the whole story all the t tme up front right now. >> it's not one thing. that's what we found out. it's a little bit of something but they found something and they can't figure it out. >> we've always known this. this is -- there's not much about hillary clinton that people don't know. and people have very strong opinions. but let's not mistake this. she still has very strong support on the ground in iowa and even more important than that she has a terrific ground operation which, as you know, in a caucus atmosphere, is critical. >> she thought she had a good ggund operation eigig years ago. >> not as good as obama. >> joy, i had a flash back of the "new york times" does this what's wrong with the clinton campaign, here we go, the blind quotes are coming and all this stuff. ththflashback i had was not to clinton '08, it was to al gore, 2000, to george w. bush '88 when you're running for the third
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fightingngor continuity. bernie sanders is passionately fighting for change. >> but at the same time there is a flash back to/08 that the clinton team has the talent for underestimation and overcorrection. they underestimate the threat, that i did so with barack obama and w wn they realized it overattacked. and this defcon 1 response to everything in the clinton world is a bit of a throw back. >> steve, you absolutely captured this the other night during state of the union coverage. you said it's remarkable that she's made a 74-year-old former gadfly senator popular. >> absolutely. much of this is about hillary clinton as a candidate but it's also about the democratic party. and we've talked about on the republican side the rise of the tea party and the drift right. but remarkable polling numbers.
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as socialists not as capitalists so what hillary clinton -- what hillary clinton in this race has found herself in is an ideological fight with the challenger to the left. and don't think anybody should doubt that had elizabeth warren gotten into this race she would have been the likely democratic nominee for president. >> or deval patrick. >> so hillary clinton has a challenge from her ideological left and he has every capacity to win in iowa and new hampshire. >> iowa has always had -- ether they call themselves socialists or liberal democrats has always had this tremendously liberal strain in the democratic party. >> just like really conservative on the republicananside. >> it was there in '08 and there in 2012 which is why, as an obama campaign official we never shed too hard back on the socialisis argumemes that people in your party were making. >> because it helped in iowa.
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she has run agood campaign. she has outperformed in debates. she's raised money. she's got a great ground game. what she can't control is this string of anger that is connecting both parties right now. it's what's given rise to trump and given raise to sanders. >> i agree with stephanie here. >> the republicans haven't figured out how to handle it. >> it has impacted the democrats. >> and that's the right of bernie sanders and it struck me when i was watching the two interviews that he's got this sense of anger and injustice about the economy a a she's talklkng about advanced manufacturing and there's a difference in that when you're two weeks out from an iowa -- >> her weakness -- her ten minutes with you, chuck, wawa her best and worst i've seen thus far. she was very good at the top on iran, she dodged the rahm emanuel question, she did not answer the 13 hours queion, i hope tonight you follow up and ask if she's seen the movie and on groundhog day, the day after the night of the iowa caucuses she is going to have the bill
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same thing thatou did eight years ago. >> voters will vote for her. >> that's all right. but a "groundhog day" reference, you wind the end game segment. [ laughter r that's'sll for tonight. don'n' forget to tune in to tonight's democratic debate. our coverage will begin at nbc news and nbcnews.com.
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