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not. >> senator sanders has been a pretty reliable vote for the gun lobby. >> to say that i'm kind of a supporter of the nra is a mean-spirited, and inaccurate statement. >> senator sanders voted tgive immunity to gun dealers. secretary clinton changes her opinion every year. >> we shouldn't be ripping up obamacare and starting over. >> now she's attacking me because i support universal health care. >> i think america is great. and it's up to us to make sure we make it greater. >> i believe we're going to make history one more time. >> the democratic candidate's debate live from the gilliard center in charleston, sout carolina. here now, lester holt. >> good evening, and welcome to the nbc news youtube democratic candidate's debate. after all the campaigning soon americans will have their say with the first votes of the 2016 campaign just 15 days away in iowa and new hampshire not far
tonight will be the final opportunity to see these candidates face to face before the voting begins. our purpose here tonight is to highlight and examine the differences among the three democratic candidates. so let's get started. pleaea welcome, secretary hillary clinton, senator bernie sanders, and governor martin o'malley. [ applause ] well, welcome to a a of you. hope you're excited, we're excited. we to want thank our hosts, the congressional black caucus institute. i'm joined by my colleague andrea mitchell tonight. the rules are simple. 60 seconds for answers, 30 seconds for follow-ups or
i know you'll all keep exactly to time, so our job should be easy here tonight. we'll have questions from the youtube community throughout the debate. this is a critical point in the race, you've been defining your differences, especially vigorously in the last week on the campaign trail. we're here to facilitate this conversation on behalf of the voters so that they know exactly where you stand as you face off tonight. let's have a great debate. we'll begin with 45 second opening statements from each candidate, starting with secretary clinton. >> well good evening. and i want to thank the congressional black caucus institute and the people of charleston for hosting us here on the eve of martin luther king day tomorrow. you know, i remember well when my youth minister took me to hear dr. king. i was a teenager. and his moral clarity, the message that he conveyed that evening really stayed d th me and helped to set me on a path
i also remember that he spent the last day of his life in memphis, fighting for dignity and higher pay for working people. and that is our fight still. we have to get the economy working and incomes rising for everyone, including those who o have been left out and left behind. we have to keep our communities and our country safe. we need a president who can do all aspects of the job. i understand that this is the hardest job in the world, i'm prepared and ready to take it on. and i hope to earn your support to be the nominee of the democratic party and the next president of the united states. [ applause ] >> thank y y. senator sanders, your opening statement, sir. >> thank you. as we honor the extraordinary life odr. martin luther king
only remember what he stood for, but that we pledge to continue his vision to transform our country. as we look out at our country today, what the american people understand is we have an economy that's rigged. that ordinary americans are working longer hours for lower wages. 47 million people living in poverty, and almost all of the new income and wealth going to the top 1%. and then, make a bad situation worse we have a corrupt campaign finance system where millionaires and billionaires are spending extraordinary amounts of money to buy elections. this campaign is about a political revolution to not only elect the president, but to transform this country. >> senator, thank you. [ applause ] and gornor o'malley, your opening statement, sir. >> thank you, my name is martin
dr. king delivered his speech. and i want to thank the people of south carolina, not only for hosting our debate here tonight, but also for what you taught all of us in the aftermath of the tragic shooting at mother emanuel church. you taught us in fact in keeping with the speech that love would havevehe final word when y y took down the confederate flag let go othe past and move eight years ago, you brought forward a new leader in barack obama to save our coununy from the second great depression. and that's what he's done. our country's doing better, we're creating jobs again. but in order to make good on the promise of equal opportunity, and equal justice under the law and we have urgent work to do that we've heard coming off of the republican presidential podiums are pretty loud.d. we need new leadership. we need to come together as a people and build on the good things that president obama has done. that's why i'm running for president. i need your help. i ask for your vote, and i look forward to moving our country
>> governor, thank you. [ applause ] >> the first queueion, the first estion i'll be addressing to all of the candidates, president obama came to office determined to swing for the fences on health care reform. voters want to know how you would define your presidency. how would you think big? so complete this sentence. in my first 100 days in office, my top three priorities will be, fill in the blank. senator sanders. >> that's what the campaign is about. it is thinking big. it is understanding that in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, we should have health care for every man, woman, and child, as a right that we should raise the minimum wage to at least $15 an hour. that we have got to create millions of decent paying jobs by rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. so what my first days are about
to end the decline of the middle class, to tell the wealthiest people in this country that yes, they are going to o art paying their fair share of taxes, and that we are going to have a government that works for all of us and not just big campaign contributors. >> secretary clilion, same question, my first 100 days in office, my thought for these priorities would be. >> i would work quickly to present to the congress my plans for creating more good jobs and manufacturing, infrastructure, clean and renewable energy, raising the minimum wage, and guaranteeing, finally, equal pay for women's work. i would also -- [ applause ] -- i would also be presenting my plans to build on the affordable care act and to o prove it by decreasing the out of pocket cost by putting a cap on prescription drug costs, by looking for ways that we can put
and the health insurance company business on a more stable platform that doesn't take too much money out of the pockets of hard-working americans. and third, i would be working in every way that i knew to bring our country together. we do have toooouch division, too much mean-spiritedness. there's a lot we have to do on immigration reform, on voting rights, on campaigfinance reform, but we need to d dit together. that's how we'll have the kind of country for the 21st century that we know will guarantee our children and grandchildren the kind of future they deserve. [ applause ] ] >> governor o'malley, same question. >> thank you. first of all, i would lay out an agenda to make wages go up again foall americans, rathehethan down. equal pay for equal work. making it easier rather than harder for people to join labor unions. getting 11 million of our neighbors out of the underground shadow economy by passing comprehensive immigration reform.
an hour, however we can, wherever we can. secondly, i believe the greatest siness opportunity t tcome to the united states of america in 100 years is climate change. and i put forward a plan to move us to a 100% clean electric energy grid by 2050 and create 5 million jobs along the way. [ applause ] >> thank you -- >> i'm sorry, that was second lester, and third ananfinally, we need a new agenda for american cities. we have not had a new agenda for america city since jimmy carter. we need a new agenda for america cities that't' invest in the talents and skills in our people, vest in transportation, infrastructure, and transit options. and uake our cities the leading edgegen this move to a redesigned, built, clean green energy future that'll employ our people. >> all right governor,hank you. you've all laid out large visions and we'r'rgoing to cover that. last couple of weeks of this campaign have featured some of
race. lel's start with one of them. the issue of guns. senator sanders, last week secretary clinton called you quote a pretty reliable vote for the gun lobby. right before the debate, you changed your position on immunity for lawsuits fofogun manunucturers. can you tell us why? >> well, i think secretary clinton knows what she says is disingenuous. i have a d-minus voting record from the nra. you was in 1988, there were three candidates running for congress in the state of vermont. i stood up to the gun lobby, and came out and maintained the position that in this country, we should not be selling military-style assault weapons. i have supported, from day one, at instant background check to make certain that people who should not have guns do not have guns. and that includes people with criminal backgrounds, people whoho are mentally unstable.
is doing in terms of trying to ose the gun show loooooles, and i think it should be a federal crime if people act. we have seen in this city a horrendous tragedy of f crazed person praying with people and coming out and shooting nine people. this should not be a political issue. what we should be doing is working g gether, and by the way, if the senator from a rural state that has virtually no gun control, i believe that i am in an excellent position to bring people together -- >> senator, you didn't answer the question that you did change your position on immunity for gun manufacturers. can you ancwer the question as to why. >> what i have said is that the gun manufacturers liability bill had some good provisions among other things, we prohibited ammunition that would have killed cops who had protection
we had child safety protection on guns in that legislation, and what we also said is a small, mom and pop gun shop, who sells a gun legally to somebody, should not be held liable if somebody does something terrible with that gun. i said i would relook at it the, we are going to relook at it. and i will support stronger provisions. >> secretary clinton, would you like to respond to senator sanders. >> yes, um, look, i have made it clear, based on senator sanders own record that he has voted with the nra, with the gun lobby numerous times. voted against the brady bill five times. he voted for what we call the charleston loophole. he voted for immunity from gun makers and sellers, which the nra said was the most important piece of gun legislation in 20 years. he voted to let guns go on to amtrak, goes into national parks, he voted against doing
can save lives. let's not forget what this is about. 90 people a day y e from gun violence in our country. that's 33,000 people a year. one of the most horrific examames, not a block from here, where we had nine people murdered. now, i am pleased to hear that senator sanders has reversed his position on immunity, and i look forward to him joining with those members of congress who have already introduced legislation. there is no other industry in america that was given the total pass that the gun makers and dealers were, and that needs to be reversed. >> all right. governor o'malley. [ applause ] you signed tough gun control measures as governor of maryland, and there are a lot of democrats in the audience here in south carolina who own guns. this conversation might be worrying many of them. they may be hearing, you want to
>> this what i would say. i've listened to secretary clinton and senator sanders go back on forth on which has the most inconsistent record on gun safety legislation, and, and i would have to agree with both of them. they've boththeen inconsistent when it comes to this issue. i'm the one candidate on this stage that actually brought people together to pass comprehensive gun fety legislation. this is very personal to me being from baltimore. i will never forget one occasion visiting little boy in john's hopkins hospital, birthday haircut, age of three, when drug dealers turn that in a shooting gallery and boy's head was pierced with a bullet. it did not kill him. i remember visiting him and his s mother in the hospital. and his diapers and tubes running in and out of his head. same anyone as my little boy. after the slaughter of the kids in connecticut, we be pass in
safety legislation. it did have the ban on combat assault weapons, universal background checks, a a we did not ininrrupt a single person's hunting season. i've never met a self-respecting deer hunter that needed an ar-15 to down a deer.. we've done these things. >> thank you. secretary clinton, this is a community that has suffered a lot of heart ache in the last year, of course as you mentioned, the church shoooongs. we won't forget the video of of walter scott being shot in the back while running from police. we understand that a jury willll decide w wther that police officer was justified, but it played straight to the fears of many african american men that their lives are cheap. that perception or in your view, is it reality? >> well, sadly it's reality. and it has beeheart breaking and incredibly outrarang to see
men, like walter scott, as you saididwho have been killed by police officers. there needs to be a concerted effort to address the systemic racism in our criminal justice system. and that requires a very clear agenda for retraining police officers, looking at ways to end racial profiling, finding more ways to really bring the didiarities that stock our country into high relief. one out of three african american men may well end up going to prison. that's the statistic. i want people here to think what we would be doing if it was one out of three white men. and very often the black men are arrested, convicted, and incarcerated for offenses that do not lead to the same results
so we have a very serious oblem that we can no longer ignore. >> and your time is up. senator sanders, my next question is for you. >> what the secretary said, we have a criminal justice system which is broken. who in america are satisfied that we have more people in jail including china? disproportionally african american and latino. who is satisfied that 51% of african american, young people are either unemployed or underemployed. who is satisfied that millions of people have police records for possessing marijuana when the ceo's of wall street companies who destroyed our [ applause ] . >> we need to take -- [ applause ] -- we need to take a very hard look -- >> senator sanders --
investigigion. not in jails and incarceration. >> just over a week ago the chairman of the congressional black caucus endorsed secretary clinton, not you, he said choosing her over you was not a hard decision. in fact our polling shows she's beating you more than two to one among minority voters. how can you be the nominin if you dodot have the support? >> let me talk about polling. secretary, secretary clinton well knows, when this campaign gan, she was 50 poinin ahead of me. we were all of 3 percentage points. guess what? in iowa, new hampshire, the race is very, very clcle. maybe we're ahead in new hampshire. in terms of polling, guess what, we are running ahead of secretary clinton in terms of taking on my good friend, donald trump. beating him by 19 points in new hampshire, 13 points in the last
to answer your queueion, when the african american community becomes my congressional record d with our gender and with our views on the economy and criminal justice, just ask the general population has become more supportive, so will the african american community, so will the latino community, we have the momentum, we're on a path to a victory -- >> governor, i'm coming to you in a section. google searches for the words black lives matter surpassed civil rights movement here lasas year. black lives matter was the number one political issue. governor o'malley, you campaign in your record as governor of maryland and before that, the mayor of baltimore last year, of course baltimore was rocked by violent unrest in the wake of the death of freddie gray. and right from the start of your campaign, you've been dogged by those who blame your tough-run crime, sob called zero-tolerance policies as mayor for contributing to that unrest. what responsibility do you bear? >> yeah, let's talk about this.
lester, it was not because the city was doing well. it was because we were burying over 300 young, poor black men every single year. and that's why i ran.. because yes, black lives matter. and we did a number of things we weren't able to make our city immune from setbacks such as freddie gray unrest and tragic dedeh showed. but we were able to save a lot of lives doing things that actually work to improve police and community relations. the truth of the matter is, we create a civilian review board. and many of these things are in the new agenda for criminal justice reform that i've put forward. we created a civilian review board, gave thth their own detectives, required the reporting of discourtesy, use of excessive force, lethal force, i repealed the possession of marijuana as a crime in our state. i drove our incarcerate rate down to 20-year lows and drove violent crime down to 30-year lows and became the first
dixon line to repeal the death penalty. i feel a responsibility every day to find things that work. >> all right -- >> and do more. >> let's talk more about policing and the criminal justice system. senator sanders, a few timim tonight we're going to hear from some of the most prominent voices on youtube, starting with francesca raraey who tackles racial stereotypes. >> i believe there's a huge conflict of interest when local prosecutors investigate cases of police violence within their own community. for example, last month, the officers invnvved in the case of 12-year-old tamir rice weren't indicted. how would your presidency ensure the incidents ofolice violence are investigated and prosecuted fairly? >> senator sanders. >> i'm sorry for not hearing all of that question. >> would you like me to read it back to you? >> yeah. >> prosecutors, i believe there's a huge cononict of interest when local prosecutors investigate cases of police violence within their
most rently, we saw this wh a nonoindictment of the ofofcers involved in the case of 12-year-old tamir rice. how would you presidency ensure zants of police violence or prosecuted fairly? >> this is a responsibility for the u.s. justice department to get involved. whenever anybody in this country is killed while in police custody, they should automatically trigger a u.s.s. attorney general's investigation. [ applause ] second oall, and i speak as a mayor who worked very close lyly, a majority are honest, hard-working people trying to do a difficult job, but let us be clear. ifif police officer breaea the law, like any public official, that officer must be held accountable. [ applause ] and thirdly, we have got to demilitarize our police departments so they don't look
community y licing, and fourthly, we have got to make our police departments look like the communities they serve in their diversity. [ applause ] >> secretary clinton, this question is for you,u,onight parts of america are on the grip of a deadly heroin epidemic, spanning race and class, hitting small towns and cities ake. it's become a major issue in this race. inin lot of places, where you've been campaigning, despite an estimated trillion dollars spent, many say the war on drugs has failed. what would you do? >> well, lester, you're right. everywhere i go to campaign, i'm meeting families who are affected by the drug problem that mostly is opioids and heroin now, and lives are being lost and children are being orphaned. i've met a lot of grandparents that arereaking care of grandchildren. so i have tried to come out with a comprehensive approach that number one, does tell the state
the federal government putting re money about a billion dollars a year, to help states have a different approach to dealing with this epidemic. the policing needs to change. police officers must be equipped with the anecdote to a aaron overdose or an opioid overdose, they should be able to administrate it. so should firefighters and other. we havto move away from treating the use of drugs a as crime and instead, move it to where it belongs, as a health issue. and we need to divert more people from the criminal justice system into drug courts, into treatment, and recovovy. >> time. >> and this is the kind of approach that we should take in dealing with what is now a growing epidemic. >> senator sanders, would you likekeo respond? >> i agree, i agree with everything the secretary said,
is a responsibility on the part of the pharmaceutical industry, and the drug companies who are producing all of these drugs and not looking at the consequence of it. and second of all, when we talk about addiction being a disee, the secretary is right, what that means is we need a revotion in this country in terms of menenl health treatment. people should be able to get the treatment that they need, when they need it, not two months from now, which is why i believe in universal health care with mental health a part of that. >> we're going to take a break -- >> just ten seconds.
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now to lead that queueion. >> thank you, lester. secretary clinton, senator sanders favors what he calls medicare for all. now you said that what he is propososg would tear up obamacare and replace it. secretary clinton, is it fair to say to say that bernie sanders wants to kill obamacare? >> well, andrea, i am committed to universal health care. i have worked on this for a long time, people may remember that i took on the health insurance industry back k the '90s, and i didn't quit until we got the children's health insurance and ensured 8s eight million kids. i certainly respect senator sanders intention, but when you're talking about health care, the details really matter, and therefore, we have been raising questions about the nine bills that h hintroduced over 20 years as to how they would work and what would be the impact on people's health care. he didn't like that, his
and tonight, he's come out with a new health care plan, and again, we need to get into the details, but here's what i believe, the democratic party and the unitededtates works since harry truman to get the affordable health care act passed. we finally have a path to universal health care. we have accomplished so much already, i do not to want see the republicans repeal it and i don't to want see us start over again with a contentious debate. i want us to defend and build on the affordable care act and improve it. >> okay. >> senator sanders. >> because what her campaign was saying, bernie sanders was saying, my entire life, he wants end medicare and medicaid and the children's health insurance program. that is nonsense. what a medicare for all program
country health care for every man, woman, and child, as a right. now, the truth is, that frank roosevelt, harry truman, do you know what they believed in, they believed that health care should be available to all of our people. i'm on the committee that wrote the affordable care act. i made the affordable care act along with jim clyborn a better piece of legislation. i voted for it, but right now, what we e ve to deal with is the fact that 29 million people still have no health insurance. we are paying the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. getting ripped off. and here's the important point, we are spending far more for person on health care than the people of any other country. my proposal, provide health care to all people, get private insurance out of insurance, lower the cost of health care for middle class families by 5,000 bucks. that's the vision we need to
[ applause ] >> if i can -- you know, i have to say i'm not sure whether we're talking about the plan you just i iroduced tonight or w wre talking about the plan you introduced nine times in the congress, but the fact is, we have the affordable care act. that is one of the greatest accomplishments of president obama, of the democratic party, and of our country, and we have already seen 19 million americans get insurance. we have seen the end of preexisting conditions keeping people from getting insurance. we have seen women no longer paying more for our insurance than men. and we have seen young people up to the age of 26 being able to stay on their parent's policy, now there are things we can do to improve it, but to tear it up and start over again, pushing our country back into that kind of a contentious debate, i think is the wrong direction. >> it is. >> i have to talk about something that's actuauay
>> no one is tearing this up. we're going to go forward. but with the secretary neglected to mention, not just the 29 million still have no health insurance that even more are underinsured with huge copayments and deductibles. tell me why we are spending over three times more than the british who guarantee health care to all of their people? 50% more than the french. more than the canadians. the vision from fdr and harry truman was health caca for all people as a right in a cost-effective way. we're not going to tear up the affordable care act. i helped write it, but we are going to move on top of that to a system for all. >> andrea, andrea, instead of -- andrea, i think instead of attacking one another on heaeah care. we should be talking about the things that are actually working. in our state, we have moved to an all-payer system with the affordable care act, we now have
hospitals that driver of cost at the center, away from service and actually to pay, we pay them based on how well they keep how well they keep their patients. that's the future. we need to build on the affordable care act, do the things that work, and reduce costs and increase access. >> and that's exactly what we are able to do based on the foundation of the affordable care act. what governor o'malley just said is one of the models that we will be looking at to make sure we do get costs down. we do limit a lot of the unnecessary cost that we still have in the system. but, with all do respect, to start over again, with a whole new debate is something that i think would set us back. the republicans just voted last t week to repeal the affordable care act, and thank goodness, president obama vetoed it and saved obamacare for the american people. [ applause ] >> senator sanders, let me ask
medicare for all, and tonight you've released a very detailed plan just -- >> not all that detailed. >> two hours before the debate, you did. let me ask you about vermont. you tried in the state of vermont, and vermont walked away from this kind of idea of medicare for a a single payer because they concluded it would require major tax increases and some estimates it would double the budget. >> andrea, let me just s this, ask the governor of the state of vermont why he could not do it. i'm not the governor. i'm the senator from the state of vermont. second of all, second of all, here is what the r rl point is, in terms of all of the issues you've raised. the good questions you've raised. what it all comes down to, do you knowowhy we can't do what every other major country is doing? it's because we have a campaign finance system that is corrupt, we have superpacks, we have the
hundreds of millions of dollars into campaign contributions and lobbying, and the private insurance companies as well. what is this will really about not the rational way to go forward, it's medicare for all. it is whether we have the guts to stand up the private insurance companies and all of their money, and the pharmaceutical industry. that's what this debate should be about. [ applause ] >> well, as someone who, as someone who has a little bit of experience standing up to e health insurance industry, that spent, you know, many, many millions of dollars attacking me and probably will so again because of what i believe we can do, building on the affordable care act, i think it's important to point out that there are a lot of reasons we have the health care system we have todada i know how much money influences the political decision-making. that's why i'm for huge campaign finance reform. however, w wstarted a system
insurance. and even during the affordable care act debate, there was an opportunity to vote for what was in other words, people could buy-in to medicare, and when the democrats were in charge of the congress, we couldn't get the votes for that. , what i'm saying isiseally simple, this has been the fight of the democratic party for decades. we have the affordable care act. let's make it work. let's take the models that states are doing. we now have driven costs down to the lowest they've been in 50 years. now we've got to get individual costs down. that's what i'm planning to do. >> and we're going to take a turn now. secretary clinton, in his final state of the union address, president obama said his biggest regret was his inability to bring the country together. if president obama couldn't do it, how will you? >> great question. >> it's an important point the president made in his state of the union. and here's what i would say.
common ground. that's what i did as a first lady when i worked with both democrats and republicans to get the children's health insuranc program. when i worked with tom delay, one of the most partisan of republicans to reform the adoption and foster care system. what i did, working in the senate, , ere i crossed the aisle often, working even with the senator from south carolina, lindsey graham, to get tricare for national guardsmen and women. and it's what i did as secretary of state. on numerous occasions, and most particularly, rounding up two-thirds votes in order to pass a treaty that lowered the nuclear weapons in both russiaia and the united states. so i know it's hard. but i also know you've got to work at it every single day. i look out here, i see a lot of my friends from the congress. and i know that they work at it every single day. because maybe you can't only find a little sliver of common
from the other party, but who knows, if you're successful there, maybe you can build even more. that's what i would do. >> senator sanders response. >> a couple of years ago when we understood that veterans were not getting the ality care they needed in the timely manner manner, i worked with folks like john mccain and others to pass the most comprehensive veteran's health care legislatn in modern history. but let me rephrase your question because i think, in all do respect, your expression, in all do respect, you're missing the main point. and the main point in the congress is not the republicans and democrats hate each other. that's a mythology from the media. the real issue is that congress is owned by big money and refuses to do what the american people want them to do. [ applause ]
real issue is that in area after area, raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. the american people want it. rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, creating 13 million jobs, the american people want it the, pay equity for women, the american people want it, d@manding that the wealthy start paying their fair are of taxes, the american people want it. >> that's time. but let me -- >> the point is, we have to make congress respond to the needs of the people, not big money. >enator sanders, you call yoursese a democratic socialist -- >> i do. >> and throughout your career in politics, you've been critical of the democratic party, there's wasn't a hell of a big difference between the the two major parties -- >> did i say that? >> how did plan on winning with labeling yoursrsf that. >> democratic party needs major reform. to those of you in south carolina, you know what, in mississippi, we need a 50-state
carolina and mississippi can get the resources that they need. instead of being dependent on superpacks, , at we need is to be dependent on small, individual campaign contributors. we need an agenda that speaks to the needs of working families and low-w-come people. not wealthy campaign contributors. >> yeah, but senator, you can -- >> we need to expand what the input into the democratic party. i am very proud that in this campaign, we have seen an enormous amount of excitement from young people, from working people. we have received more individual contributions than any candidate in the history of this country up to this point. [ applause ] >> yeah, but senator you never when he was running for governor. in fact, neither of you came to campaign for him when he was running for governor. we can talk all we want about wanting to build a stronger democratic party, but lest, the question you answered, it's no laughing matter.
get when i stand on the chair all across iowa and talk with my neighbors is, how are you going to heal the divisions and the woundsdsn our country? thth is the biggest challenge we face as a people. all my life, i brought people tother over deep divides and very old wounds, and that's what we need now in a new leader. we cannot keep talking past each other declaring all republicans are our enemies or the war is all about deing against millioioires or billionaires it's all against american muslims, it is fred lick douglas said. we are one, our cause is one, and we must help each other. >> and that is right. >> secretary clinton, next question after you -- >> and i respectfully disagree with my friend over here. and that is, you are right. l of us have denounced trump attempts to divide this country, the anti-latino rhetoric, the racist rhetoric, but where i disagree with you, governor o'malley, is i do believe we
fundamental issues of a handful of billionaires -- >> i agree with that. >> who control economic and political life of this country. >> i agree. >> nothing real will get happened. unless we have a political revolution. where millions of people finally stand up. >> and we're going to get into that coming up. secretary clinton, here's a question from youtube. it's from a young video blogger who has over 5 million subscribers. he has a question abou importance of younger voters. >> hi, i'm 23 3 d my audience is around the same age. getting my generation to vote should be a priority for any presidential candidate. now i kn senator sanders is pretty popular amongngy peers, bubuwhat i want to know is how are all of you planning on engaging us further in this election? >> secretary clinton. >> well, thanks for the question and congratulations on five million n ewers on youtube. that's quite an accomplishment. look, this election is mostly about the future and therefore it is of greatest urgency for
i've laid out my ideas about what we can do to make college affordable, how we can help people pay off their student debts and save thousands of dollars, how we can create more good jobs, because a lotf the young people that i talk with are pretty disappointed about the economic prospects they feel they're facing. making community college free. making it possible to attend a blic college or university with debt-free tuition. looking for ways to protect our rights. especially from the concerted republican assault on voting rights, on women's rights, on gay rights, on civil rights, on worker's rights. and i know how much young people value their independence, their autonomy and their rights. i think this is an election where we have to pull young people, and older people together, to havava strategy about how we're going to
vote, because it is absolutely clear to me -- >> that's rime, but secretary clinton -- >> to the rereblicans would be bad for everybody, especially young people. >> quick follow-up, 30 second follow-up, why is senator sanders bebeing you 2-1 among younger voters? >> i have the greatest respect for senator sanders and for his supporters, and i'm going to keep working as hard as i can to reach as many people of all ages about what i will do. what the experience and the ideas that i have thatly lyi will bring to the white house, and i hope to have their support when i'm the democratic nominin. >> we're going to take a break. big banks, big business, and big differences among the candidates on the american economy. we'll be right back. it's big. it's fast. it's m md-boggling.
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the economy. senator sanders, you released a tough new ad last week in which without mentioning secretary clinton by name, you talk about two democratic visions for regulating wall street. quote,
one says it's okay to take millions from big banks and tell them what to do. my plan, break up the big banks, close the tax loopholes and make them pay their fair share. what do you see is the difference between what you would do and what secretary clinton would do? >> well, the first difference is i don't take money from big banks. i don't get personal speaking es from goldman sachs. what i would do -- [ applause ] what i would do is understand that when you have tpree out of the e ur largest banks todod, bigger than they were when we bailed them out because they were too big to fail, when you have the six largest financial
0% of the -- 60% of the gdp of america. which is clear what you have to do. bring back the 21st century glass eaglgllegislation and break up these huge financial institutions. they have too much economic power and they have too much financial power over our entire economy. if teddy roosevelt were alive today, the old republican trust buster, at he would say is, anesthesia guys are too powerful. break them up, i believe that's what the american people to want see. that's my view. >> secretary clinton, help the voter understand the daylight between the two of you here. >> there's no daylight on the basic premise that there should be no bank too big to fail, and no indndidual too powerful to jail. we agree on that. but where we disagree is the comments that senator sanders has made that don't just affect
criticized president obama for taking donations from wall street. and president obama has led our country out of the great recession. senator sanders called him weak, disappointing, he ian in 2011 publicly sought someone to run in a primary against president obama. now, i personally believe that president obama's work to push through the dodd frank, the dodd frank bill and then to sign it was one of the most important regulatory schemes we've had since the 1930s. so i'm going to defend dodd frank, and i'm going to defe president obama for taking on wall street, taking on the financial industry, and getting results. >> senator sanders, your response. >> let the record right, in 2006 whenen ran for the senate, senator barack obama was kind
2008, i did my best to see that he was elected, and in 2012, i worked as hard as i could go see that he was reelected. he and i are friends, we've worked together, we have differences of opinion. but here is the issue, secretary touched on it, can you really reform wall street? when they are spending millions and millions of dollars on campaign contributions. and when they are providing speaker fees to individuals. sop it's easy to say, well i'm going to do this and do that, but i have doubts when people receive huge amounts of money from wall street. i am very oud, i do not have a superpack. i do not want wall s seet's money. i'll rely on the middle class and working family -- >> that's time. >> i have a question for you -- [ applause ] >> you know, i think since, since senator standers followed
your profusion of comments about your feelings totards president obama are a a little strange given what you s sd about him in 2011. but look, i have a plan that most commentators have said is tougher, more effective whereby and more comprehensiveve >> that's not true. >> it builds on the dodd frank -- >> yes, it is. >> it builds on the dodd frank, regulatory scheme, but it goes much further -- >> oh, come on. >> abuse both the governor and the senator have focussed only on the big bankst. lehman brothers, aig, the shadowow banking sector were as big a problem of the great recession, i go after them and i can tell you that the hedge fund billionaires who are running ads against me right nowowand carl rove who started running an ad against me right now, funded by money from the financial services sector, sure thing, i'm the one th don't want -- >> governor o'malley.
[ applause ] >> yeah, l@ster, what secretary clinton just said is actually not true. [ applause ] i have put forward a plan that would actually put cops back on the beat of wall street. i have put forward a plathat was harolded as very comprehensive and realistic. look, if a bank robber robs a bank and all you do is slap him on the wrist, he's going to rob again. the same thing is trueith people in suits. secretary clinton, i have a tremendous amount of respect for you, but for you to say there's no daylight on this between the three of us is not true. i support reinstituting a modern version of glass steelelhat would include going after the shadow banks, requiring capital requirements that would force them to no longer put us on the hookor these sorts of things, and prior debates i've heard you even bring up, now you bring up president obama here in south carolina in defense of the fact of your cozy relatnship with wall street. in an earlier r bate, i heard you bring up even the 9/11
the truth of the matter is, secretary clinton, you do not go far as ranging in wall street as i would. and the fact of ththmatter is, the people of america deserve to have a president that's on their side, protecting the mainstream economy from excesses on wall street and -- >> secretary clinton, 30 second response. [ applause ] >> well, first of all, first of all, paul, barney frank, others have all endorsed mymylan. secondly, we have dodd frank. it gives us the authority that pose -- >> we never used it. >> that pose a risk to the financial sector. i want to go further and add to that, and you know, governor, street. you raised a aot of money on wall street when you were the head of the democratic governor's association -- >> yeah, but i haven't gotten a penny this year, somebody martino'malley.com, go on, send me your checks.
>> yeah, well, the point is that if we're going to be serious about this and not just try to score political points, we should know what's in dodd frank, and what's in dodd frank already gives the president the authority to regulators or it make decisions. >> let me give you an idea of how corrupt this system is. goldman sachs recently fined $5 billion. goldman sachs has given this country two secretaries of treasury, one on the republicans, one under democrats. >> say it. >> the leader of goldman sachs is a billionaire who comes to congress and tells us we should cut social security, medicare, and medicaid. secretary clinton, and you're not the only one. i don't mean to just point the finger at you, you've received over $600,000 in speaking fees from goldman sachs in one year.
major financial institution that pays $5 billion in fines for breaking the lawawnot one of their executives is prosecuted, while kids who smoke marijuana get a jail time. andrea. >> well, the last point on this is, senator sanders, you're the only one on this stage that voted to deregulate the financial market in 2000, to take the cops off the street to use governor o'malley's phrase, to make the fcc and thth commododies future's trading commission no longer able to regulate swaps and derivatives of the collapse in '08. so there's plenty, there's plenty of problems that we all have to face together, and the final thing i would say. we're at least having a vigorous debate about reigning in w wl street.
frank. that's what we need to stop. >> eveveone who wants to check my record -- anyone who wants to check my record and taking on wall street and fighting against the deregulation of wall street and wall street put billions of dollars into lobbying and contribution to to get the government off their backs. they got the government off their backs turns out they were crooks and they destroyed our economy. i think it's time to put the government back on their backs. >> senator sanders. senator sanders, we've talked a lot about things you want to do. you want free education for everyone, you want the federal minimum wage raised to $15 an hour, you want to expand social security benefits, you've been specific about what you want, let's talk aboututow to pay for all of this. you've now said that you would raise taxes today, two hours or
taxes to pay for your health care plan. you haven't been specific about how to payayor the other things. tell us tonight. >> sure. you're right. i want to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, create 13 million jobs. we do that by doing awaw with the absurd loophole that now allows major profitable corporations to flash their money in the kayman islands and not in some years pay a nickel in taxes. yes, i do. i plead guilty. i want every kid in this country who has the ability to be able to go to a public college or university tuition-free, and by the way, i want a substantially lower student debt interest rates in this country as well. how do i pay for i i [ applause ] i pay for it for attacks on wall street speculation. this country and the middle class bailed out wall street, now it is wall street's time to helm the middle class.
unke secretary clinton, i have dwomtd kpabtly how i wouldlday for our ambitious agenda -- >> secretary clinton, do you want to respond? >> well, i have actually documented every way that i'm going to pay for what i'm doing. because i think the american public deserves to know. and you can go to my website and actually see that. but there are serious questions about how we're going to pay for what we want to see our country do. and i'm the only candidate, % standing he tonight who has said, i will n n raise taxes on the middle class. i want to raise incomes, not taxes. and i'm going to do everything i can to make sure that the wealthy pay for debt-free tuition, for child care, for paid family leave to help us bring down student debt, we're going to refinance that student debt, saving kids thousands of dollars, yeah, and that will
financial area. but i will tell you exactly how i pay for everything i propose. >> here is the major point -- >> let me ask you about taxes. >> yeah. >> because the most google political issue in the last month was taxes. now in your health care plan, the plan you released tonight, you would not only raise taxes on the wlthy, the details would indicate you would raise takes on the middle class s so. is that correct? >> what is correct, and i'm disappointed that secretary clinton's campaign has made this criticism. it's a republican criticisis secretary clinton does know a lot about health care. and she understands, i believe, that a medicare e r all single payer program would substantially lower the cost of health care for middle class families so what we have got to acknowledge about the secretary does is we are doing away with private health insurance premiums.
blue cross or blue shield, yes, some middle class families would be paying slightly more in taxes, but the result would be that that middle class family would be saving some $5,000 in health care costs. little bit more in taxes, do away with private health insurance premiums, it's a good deal. >> senator, senator, let me just follow occupy on that. on meet the press, you sald you would only raise taxes on the middle class to pay for family leave. and having said that, now you say you're going to raise middle class taxes to pay for health care as well. is that t eaking your word? >> no, it is not breaking my word. when you are -- it's one thing to say i'm raising taxes, it's another thing that we are doing away with private health insurance premiums. if i save you $10,000 in private health insurance, and you pay a little bit more in taxes in total, there are huge savings in what your family is spending. >> senator, i'm the only person
15 years. >> i was mayor for eigig years, i did that for eight years as well. >> that was eight years. i actually did it during a budget -- during a recession. and andrea, i had to make more cuts than any governor in the history of maryland, we invested more in transportation, we made our public schools more in america more than five years in a row w d four years in a row without a penny's increase to college tuition. the things we need to do in our country, like debt-free college in the next five yrs. like making, making national service a universal option in order to cut youth unemployment in half in fact next three years, all these things can bf done iwe eliminate one entitlement we can no longer afford as a nation. and that is the superwealthy among us, those making more than a million dollars feel they are entitled to paying a l ler marginal tax rate, and if we tax
money,`namely capital gains at the same rate as we tax sweaea and hard work, we can make the investments we need to make our country better. >> we have a lot to ground to cover here. ]any democratic votersre passionate about the need to do something to combat the threat of climate change, including the team of scientists from youtube's minute earth channel. here's their take. >> hello from minute earth. fossil fuelslsept our cars moving and light bulbs lit. we know that burning the fuels releases heat-trapping gases that are warming the planet causing seas to rise and contributing to the devastating flooding last year. fighting human cause climate change means giving up the addiction to fossil fuels and taking the bulk enengy supply to alternative sources. some countries have acted to make this transition, here at home, we get a whooping 82% from coal, oil, and natural gas. in the u.s., political gridlock, pressure from industry lobbyists and insufficient rnd made an
climate change even tougher. >> senator sanders, , ericans love their suvs, which spiked in sales last year as gas prices plummeted. how do you convince americans change is so urgent that they need to change their behavior? >> i think we already are. younger generation understands it instinctively. i was home in burlington, vermon on christmas eve, the temperature was 65 degrees. people in vermont know what's going on. people who did ice fishing where their ice is no longer there on the lake understand what's going on. i'm on both the environmental and the energy committees. the debate is over. claimant change is real. it is already causing major problems. and if we do not act boldly and decisively, a bad situation will become worse. it is amazing to me, and i think we'll have agreement on this up here, that we have a major party called the republican party that is so owned by the fossil fuel industry, and their campaign
even have the courage, the decency to listen to the scientists. it is beyond my comprehension how we can elect a president of the united states, somebody like trump who believes that climate e change is a hoax, invented by the chinese. [ laughter ] bottom line is we need to be boldlddecisive, create millions of jobs. we must for the sake of our kids and grandchildren, transform our energy system away from fossil fuel to energy efficiencnc and sustainable energy, i've got the most comprehensive legislation in the senate to do that. and as president,ly fight to make that happen. >> governor o'malley, 30 seconds. >> thank you. lester, on this stage tonight, this democratic stage, where we actually believe in science, i would d ke to challenge, andnd invite my colleagues here on this stage to join me in putting
by 2050. it can b bdone. with solar, with wind, with new technologies, with green buildings. this can happen, but president obama made us more energy independent, but in all of the above strategy didn't land us on the moon, we need american ingenuity and we need to reach by 2050 for the sake of our kids. >> that's time. we're goininto take a break. when we return, the late-breaking developments regarding iran. the threat of isis now more real than eveon u.s. soil,
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is one of the top concerns of mempbs with, and also more late-breakg news. >> yeah, all the news that's happened from iranannd the president's comments today, as well as what this means going forward for the war on terror. what do wexpect from iran and also what's happening in syriaia a lot of foreign policy coming up. >> there's a lot of debate to come. we'll be back in charleston after this. >> you got it. well it's the commander in chief test. that's what's next.
there are two democratic visions for regulating wall street. one says it's okay to take millions from big banks and then telelthem what to do. my plan -- break up the big banks, close the tax loopholes, and make them pay their fair share. then we can expand health care to all, and provide universal college education. will they like me? no. will they begin to play by the rules if i'm president? you better b bieve it.
held are now going to be heading home. the president said today, it's a good day. a good day for diplomacy, it's a time now to restore diplomatic relations since 1979 and reopen a u.s. embassy in
teheran. >> i think what we have got to do is move as aggressively as we can to normalize relations with iran, understanding, that iran's behavior in so many ways is something that we disagree with. their support for terrorism, the anti-american rhetoric we're hearing from some of their leadership is something that is not acceptable. on the other hand, the fact that we've managed to reach and agreement, something that i very strongly supported that prevents iranrom getting a nuclear weapon and that we did that without going to war, and that i believe we're seeing a thor in
very positive step.. so if your question is do i want to see that relationship become more positive in the future? yes. could
i tell you that we should open and embassy in teheran tomorrow, no, i don't think we should. i think the goal has to be, to move in warm relations with a very powerful and important country in this world. >> your response, secretary clinton. >> well, i'm very proud of the iran nuclear agreement. i was very pleased to be part of what the president put into action when he took office. i was responsible for getting those sanctions imposed, which t the pressure on irir that brought them to the negotiating table, which resulted in this agreement. and so, they have beenenso far, following their requirements under the agreement, but i think we still have to carefully watch them.
years, and i think we need more good days before we move more rapidly toward any kind of normalization, and we have to be sure that they are truly going to implement the agreement, and then we have to go after them on a lot of their other bad behavior in the region, which is causing enenmous problems in syria, yemen, iraq, and elsewhere. >> you mentioned syria, let me ask you about syria, all of you, let's turn to syria, the civil war that's been raging there. are there any circumstances in which you could see deploying significant numbers of ground forces in syria, not just special operators, but significant ground forces to combat isis in a direct combat roro. let me start with you secretary clinton. >> absolutely not. after i three-point plan that does not include american ground forces. it includes the united states leading an air coalition, which is what we are doing, supporting fighters on the ground, the iraqi army, which iseginning
fighters that we are now helping to reconstitute and kurdish fighters on both sides of the border. i think we also have to try to disrupt their supply chain of foreign fighters and foreign money, and we do have to contest them i ionline space. i'm very committtt to both going after isis, but also supporting what secretary kerry is doing to try to move on a political, diplomatic course to try to begin to slow down and hopefully end the carnage in syria, which is the root of so many of the problems that we see in the renal and beyond. >> senator sanders. ground forces, yesesr no? >> as everybody here knows, this is an incredibly complicated and difficult issue. and i applaud, i know president obama's been getting a the love criticism on this. i think he is doing the right thing. what the nightmare is, which
appear to want is to not have learned the lesson of iraq. to get american young men and wowon involved in perpetetl warfare in the quagmire of syria and the middle east would be an unmitigated disaster that as presidentially do everything in my power to avoid. >> andrea. >> we should learn, we should learn from king abdullah of jordan, one of the few heroes in a very unheroic place. and what abdullah said is this and thth muslim troops should be on the ground with our support and the support of other major countries. that is how we destroy isis, not with american troops in perpetual warfare. >> governor o'malley. >> thank you. andrea, governors led uses to victory in two world wars by
and that is by joining forces with others by acting in coalition. and i believe that president obama is doing the right thing in this case. we need to learn the lessons from the past. weweeed to provide the special, special ops advisors, we need to provide the technical support, but over the long-term, we need to develop new alliances. we need a much more proactcte national security strategy that reduces these threats before they rise to a level where it feels like we need to pull for a division of marines. and i also want to add one other thing here, i appreciate the fact that in our debate, we don't use the term you hear republicans throwing around trying to look all macho sending other kids into combat, they keep using the term, boots on the ground. a woman in burlington, iowa, said to me, when you're with your colleagues, don't refer to my son who served two tours of duty in irir as a pair of boots s on the ground. now, we need to be mindful of learning the lessons of the past. [ applause ] . >> i have a a estion for senator sanders.
administration in which secretary clinton of course with the part create a vacuum in iraq and syria that helps isis grow? >> no. i think the vacuum was created by the disastrous war in iraq, which i vigorously oppose, not only against it, but helped lead the opposition. and what happened there is yeah, it's ease eyewitness to get rid of a two-bit dictator like sue dam hussein, but t tre wasn't the kind of thought as to what happens the day after you get him and what kind of political vacuum occurs,s,nd who rises up. groups like isis. so i think that president obama made a promise to the american people when he ran. and he said you know what, i'm going to do my best bring americic troops home. and i supported what he did. our job is to train and provide
countries in the area who are prepared to take on isis. and one point i want to make here that is not made often, you have incredibly wealthy countries in that region, countries like saudi arabia, countries like qatar, the largest, wealthiest country per capita in the world. they have got to start putting in some skin in the game, and not just ask the united states to do it. [ applause ] >> secretary clinton. >> i want to talk to you about red lines, because f fmer defense secretary chuck hagel said in a recent interview that president obama's decision to stand down on planned missile strikes against damascus after assad had used chemical weapons hurt the president's credibility. should the president have stuck to his red line once he drew it? >> look, i think that the president's decision to go after the chemical weapons once there
build on when the russians opened that door, resulted in a very positive outcome. we were able to get the chemical weapons out. i know from my own experience as secretary of state that we were deeply worried about assad's forces using cmical weapons because it would have had not only a horrific affect on people in syria, but it could very well states, jordan, israel, lebanono turkey.. so getting those chemical weapons out was a big -- >> but should he have stuck to his line? did it hurt u.s. credibility? >> i t tnk as commander and chief, you've got to constantly be evaluating the decisions you have to make. i know a little bit about this, having spent many hours in the situation room, advisisi president obama. and i want to just add to mething that senator sanders
very big interest in trying to help stabilize the region. if there is any blame to be spread around, it starts with the prime minister of iraq who sectarianized his military, setting shia against sunni. it is amplified by assad who has waged one of the bloodiest, most terrible attacks on his own people. 250,000-plus dead, millions fleeing. causing this vacuum that has been filled, unfortunately, by terrorist groups including isis. so i think we are in the midst of great turmoil in this region. we have a proxy conflict going on between saudi arabia and iran. you know, one of the criticisms i've had of senator sanders is his suggestion thaha you know, iranian troops be used to try to end the war in syria -- >> your time is up. >> let me just -- >> which i don't think would be a good idea.
at work in the region are ones that we cannot directly influence, but we can -- >> you're out of time. [ overlapping talkers ] >> i agree with most of what she said. but where i think we have an honest disagreement, is that in the incredible quagmire of syria, where it's hard to know who's fifiting who, and if you give arms to this guy, it may end up in isis's hand the next day. we all know the secretary is absolutely right, sad is a butcher of his own people, man using chemical weapons against his own people. this is beyond disgusting. but i think in terms of our priorities in the region, our first priority must be the destruction of isis. our second priority must be
political settlement, working with iran, working with russia, but the immediate task is to bring all interests together who want to destroy isis, including russia, including iran, including our muslim allies to make that the major priority. but in all of that senator anansecretary, i think we're leaving out something very important here. and that is that we still don't have the human intelligence, overt in terms of diplomatic intelligence or covert to understand even what the heck happens as the secondary and tertiary effects of some of these things. we are walking t tough the renal, andrea, without the human intelligence that we need and we need to make a renewed investment as a country in bringing up a new generation of foreign n rvice officers, and d bringing up a new generation of business people, and actually understanding and having relationships in these places. so we have a better sense of whwh the heck happens after a
action to prevent another safe haven and another it ration of terror. >> your time is us. lester. >> senator sanders mentioned russia a moment ago. secretary clinton, you famously handed russia's foreign minister a reset button in 2009. since then, russia an exed crimea, a war in ukraine, provided weapons that downed an airliner and supported assadadn syria.a. as president, would you hand vladimir putin a reset button? >> it would depend on what i got for it. it would depend the first term, we got a new start treaty to reduce nuclear weapons between the united states and russia. we got permission to resupply our troops in afghanistan by traveling acacss russia. we got russia to sign on to our sanctions agait iran, and other very important commitments.
always trying to see how you can figure out t interest of the other to see if there isn't someme way yoyocan advance your security and your values. when putin came back in the fall of 2011,t was very clear he came back with a mission. and i began speaking out as soon as that happened because there were some fraudulent elections held, and russians poured out into the streets to demand their freedom, and he cracked down. and in fact, accused me of foemting it. so we now know that he has a mixed recoco to say the least, and we have to figure out how to deal with him. >> what's your relationship with him? >> well my relationship with him, it's -- it's, it's interesting. [ laughter ] it's one i think of respect.
dealings with one another. and i know that he's someone that you have to continuingly stand up to because like many bullies, he is somebody who will take as much as he possibly can unless you do. and we need to get the europeans to be more willing to stand up, i was pleased they put sanctions on after crimea and eastern ukraine and the downing of the airliner, but we got to be more unit in preventing putininrom taking a more aggressive stance in europe and the middle east. >> we to want turn right now to the issue of balancing national security concerns with the privacy rights of americans. that brings us to youtube and this question. >> hi, i've been making youtube video's about electronics and gadgets for the past seven years. i think america's future success is tied to getting all kinin of tech right. tech companies are responsible for the encryption technology to protect personal data, but the g. wants a back door into that information. so do you think it's possible to find common ground and where do you stand on privacy versus
>> thank you. i believe whether it's a back door or frondoor that the american principle of law should ststl hold that our federal government should have to get a warrant. whether they want to come through the back door or your front door. [ applause ] and i also agree, lester, withth benjamin franklin said that said no el nino should give up freedoms for security. we're a collaborative people. we need collaborative leadership here with silicon valley and other bright people in my own state of maryland and around nsa that can figure this out, but there are certain immutable principles that will not become antique things in our country so long as we defend our country and it's values and it's freedoms. and one of those things is our right to be secure in our homes, and our right to expect that our federal government should have to get a warrant. i also want to the say that while we've made some progress on the patriotic act, i do belilie we need an adversasaal
advocate, develop a body of law that protects the privacy of americans in the information and digital age. >> that's time. you havevell talked about whatat you would do fighting isis over there, but we've been hit in this country by home grown terrorists, from chattanooga to san bernardino, the recent shooting of a police officer in philadelphia, how are you going to fight the lone wolves here? >> yeah, lester, you're in and you're out. senator -- >> that was to senator sande. i wasn't clear, i apologize. >> okay. i just wanted to add in the previous question, i voted against the usa patriot act for many of the reasons that governor o'malley mentioned. but it is not only the government that we have to worry about, it is prooeft corporations. you would all be amazed or maybe not t out the amount of information, private companies and the government has in terms of the websites that you access,
you are this very moment, and it is very clear to me that public policy has not caught up with the explosion of technology. so yes, , have to work with silicon valley to make sure that we do not allow isis to transmit -- >> but in terms of lone wolves, the threat -- >> what we have gogoto do there is among other things, asives i was just saying, have silicon valley help us to make su that information transmitted through the internet and other ways by isis is in fact discovered, but i do believe we can do that without violating the constitutional a a privacy rights of the american people. >> we have to go -- we have to go to a break, and when we come back, we're ing to get to some
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i'll give you 30 seconds to respond on the issue of lone wolves. >> can i get 30 seconds too? [ applause ] >> s sretary clinton. >> well, i wanted to say, and i'll do it quickly, i was very pleased that leaders of president obama's administration went out t tsilicon valley last week and began exactly this conversation about what we can do, consistent with privacy ynd security. we need bettererntelligence cooperation, we need to be sure that they were getting the best intelligence that we can from friends and allies around the world. and then, we've got to recognize our first line of defense against lone wolf attacks a among muslim americans. and it is not only shameful, it is dangerous for the kinds of comments you're hearing from the republican side. we need to be reaching out and
terrorist attacks and lone wolves, and working with muslim americs. >> andrea has a foow-up. >> just a quick follow-up -- >> andrea, when can i get my 30 seconds? >> you said that t leaders from the intelligence community went to silicon valley, they re flatly turned dowow they g g nowhere. >> that is not what i've heard. let me leave it at that. >> i need to talk about homeland security and preparedness. ever since september 11th, 30 conds, ever since the attacks of september 11th, my colleagues democratic and republican mayors, made me their leader on homeland security and preparednessss here in the homeland, unlike combatting isil abroad, it's like your body's immune system, it's able to protect your body against bad bugs, notlessly because of numbers, it's better connected, the fusion centers, the biosurveillance systems, better prepared first responders, but there's another front in this battle, and it is this. that's the political front, and if donald trumumwants to start a
people by baked, he can start with me, and i will sign up as one who is totally opposed to his fascist appeals that wants to vilify american muslims. that can do more damage to our democracy than anything. >> that's time, ananwe do have o to move on. secretary clinton, this is the first time -- >> can i gate brief response. >> 30 seconds, senator. >> one, and i agree with what the secrcrary said and what governor o'malley said. but here's an issue that we also should talk about. we have a $600 billion military budget. it is a budgdg larger than the next eight countries. unfortunately, much of that budget continues to fighw the old cold war with the soviet union. very little of that budget, less than 10%ctually goes into fighghng isis and internatatnal terrorism.
about making fundamental changes in the priorities of
the defense >> all right. clinton. this is the first that is of elected said president clinton would advise you economic or a real policy roll? >> well, it'll start at the tchen table, we'll see how it goes from there. and i -- [ applause ] i'm going have the very best advisors that i can possibly have, and when it comes to the economy, and what was accomplished under my husband's leadership and the '9090 especially when it came to raising incomes for everybody, and lifting more people out of poverty than any time in recent history, you bet, i'm going to ask for his ideas, i'm going ask
them as goodwill emissary too around the country to find the best ideas we've g g. because i do believe as he said, everything that's wrong with america has been solved somewhere in america. we just have to do more of it, and we have to reach out, especially into poor communities, and communities of color to give more people their own chance to get ahead. >> senator sanders, 30 second response, sir. >> great ideas, governor o'malley, secretary christian ton, but here's the truth, if you have an administration stacked with wall street appointees, it ain't going to accomplish very much. here's a promise that i make, and i mentioned a moment ago how corrupt the system is, goldman sachs paying a $5 billion fine, gives this country, in recect history, a republican secretary of treasury, a democratic
here's a promise, if elected president, goldman sachs is not going to have, briri forth a secretety of treasury for a sanders administration. [ applause ] >> senator sanders, let me ask you a question, you called bill clinton's past transgressions, quote, totally, totally, totally disgraceful, andnacceptable. senator, do you regret saying that? >> i was asked a question -- you know one of the thins, andrea, and that question, annoys me. i cannot walk down the street,4 secretary clinton knows that, without being told how much i have to attack secretary clinton. to want get me on the front page of the paper, i make a vicious attack. i have avoided doing that. trying to run an issue-oriented d campaign. [ applause ] i was asked a question -- >> you didn't have to answerert that way though, why did you? >> then if i don't, there's another front page.
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[ applause ] [ laughter ] >> didn't see that coming, did you. >> we're going to have to get 20 minutes to do it. look, i believe there are many issues, 60 seconds for this. >> 60 second. we'd appreciate it. >> there are so many issues that we haven't been able to discuss here. we have not fully discussed immigration reform, and the deplorable number of detention kampbs that our nation's now maintaining. we haven't discussed the shameful treatment that the people of puerto rico, o o fellow americans who are being treated with by these hedge funds that are working them over. we haven't discuss the fact that in our own hemisphere, we have t t danger of state failures because of drug traffickers and honduras and kwaut ma la and el valve dor, i guess the bottom line is this, look, we are a great people when act at home and abroad. based on the beliefs that unite us. belief in the dignity of every person, our belief in our own
challenge that is too great for us to overcoco. provided we bring forward in these divided times, new leadership that can heal our divides at home and bring our prince. s abroad. we're on the threshold of a new era of american progress, and i believe we have only need to join forces together and cross that thrhold into a new era of american prosperity. >> and that's time. >> thanknka lot. [ applause ] >> secretary clinton. >> lester, i spent a lot of time st week being outraged by what's happening in flint, michigan, and i i think every single american should be outraged. we've had a city in the united states of america where the population, which is poor in many ways, and majity african american has been drinking and bathing in lead-con tan natoed water.
care. he had requested f f help that he basically stone walled. i'll tell you what if the kids in a
rich suburb of detroit had been drinking contaminated water and being bathed in it, there would haha been action. so i sent my top campaign aid down there to talk to the mayor of flint, to be vee what i could do to help. and i issued a statement about what we needed to do, and then i went on a tv show, and i said it was outrageous that the goveor hadn't acted, i want to be a president that takes care of the big problems and the problems that are affecting the people of our country every day. [ applause ] >> thank you. senator sanderer >> secretary clinton was right, and what i did was, which i think is also right is to demanded the resignation of the governor. a man who acts not irresponsibly should not stay in power. now, we are a great nation.
ideas here tonight. but let's be honest and let's be truthful. very little is going to be done to transformrmur economy, and to create the kind of middle class we need unless we end a corrupt campaign financed system, which is undermining american democracy. [ applause ] we have
got to get rid of superpacks. we have got to get rid of citizens united. [ applause ] and what we have got to do is create a political revolution which revitalizes american democracy which brings millions of young people and working people into the political process. to say loudly and clearly, that the government of the united states of america belongs to all of us, and not just a handful of wealthy campaign contributors.
[ applause ] and thanks to all of you for being here tonight. shedding light on some of the differences as americansnset ready to vote. i want to thank the congressional black caucus institute and certainly my friend and colleague andrea mitchell. this has been great. it's been a great, spirited conversation, and american people appreciate it. let me turn it over to my friend chuck todd now, thanks.
>> lester, thank you. and a terrific job, moderating this debate tonight. andrea as well. what a lively, substantive debate. we thought there were going to be fireworks, there were. you ard sort of the sharp, disagreements when it comes to ns, when it comes totoall street reform. when it comes to health care. and even a few things on foreign policy. we're going to break all o& it down here in a few minutes, but we're going to t t to sneak in a short break. and when we come back, instant analysis, we'll see if we can find out what the campaigns are doing.
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what is his record >> against the sanders thesis basically. that what we need is revolutionary change. he's'sot about revolutionana change. he's about evolutionary change. incremental change. >> sometimes people wrapping themselves ithe flag. hillary clinton was wrapping herself in president obama tonight. we were looking at there is instance after instance, i plan on building upon president obama, dodd frank, health care, and it was clearlyesigned to say, berninisanders, he's not wrapping himselflfn obama. >> absolutely. and there's such a historical resonance here of course because eight years ago, the south carolina primary between obama and clinton,n,erhaps the nastiest of all, and the bitterness was when they clashed
contrast to say the least with the way she embraced obama as a person, as a leader, embraced all of his policies, that we can't do what benghaziziants to do on -- bernie sanders wants to do on health care. i have a feeling this is the beginning of a lively final 15 days. we will have continuing live analysis of tonight's debate on msnbc.com. and if you missed part of this debate, you can see it begin starting right now on msnbc. for now, i'm chuck todd in charleston, south carolina. from all of with us, we say good night.a cedar falls nail salon. and -- the deadly details of boone county fire. plus -- dropping temperatures create a concern for rising water. thanks for joining us tonight at ten. i'm macleod hageman.