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to the backside. he has the backside deep post going on with the throw-back underneath. i thought he was going to take off and run. i thought he realized what was going on and would take off. puts him in a tough second and long. >> second and 13 now for geno smith. running out of time. throws far side wide open is bohanon has a first down inside the green bay 45. >> and that is a great decision by geno smith realizing there's nothing up the field. he is tracking up the field and knows where the outlet is. and gets over to him. this is not the time of the game where you want to take chances. you have plenty of time left on the clock and time outs. and still have one time out. >> on first down. chris johnson to the 40. >> now you do get to certain
times in the game where you have to be risky. good decision by geno dumping it off and putting them in field position. >> 6:30 to play in the fourth. second and eight. hand off again to johnson. and johnson inside the 40. to about the 37 yardline. those of you expecting to see 60 minutes, this is the nfl on cbs and the game between the jets and the green bay packers with trent green and evan washburn i'm greg gumble. 60 minutes will be seen immediately following the game except on the west coast. third and five.
powell does not get close to a first down. what does rex ryan do here? >> considering the first half he went for it on fourth down in field goal range this is not necessarily field goal range this here would be 54, 55 yard kick and yes, folk and make the distance of a kick but i think rex's track record shows he is going for it. >> one for one on fourth down today. [cheering] smith going deep for it all. to the end zone. caught for a touchdown! jeremy kerley! >> they had blown the whistle before the play was snapped. >> prior to the snap new york called its third and final time
wow. whoa. >> let's see if we can find it on the replay. greg mentioned marty. here he is up here. that is marty. let's see if he goes running down and calls a time-out. he is yelling it and calling for it. >> reset the game clock to 5:06 on the game clock. >> we will do fourth and four again. [cheering] geno smith throwing this time and complete at the 30 yardline for a first down to david nelson.
well, the word we are getting from mike carey our expert in new york is that only the head coach can call a time-out from the sidelines. >> well, the official cannot turn and see who it is that is calling it. but he was running down trying to get rex ryan to call it. >> this is chris ivory. ivory inside the 30. so what just happened was on fourth and four. geno smith threw a touchdown pass to kerley. however, marty, apparently, signaled for a time-out on the sideline which negated the touchdown and our expert mike says that is strange because only a head coach can call a time-out. but the officials cannot turn and identify.
second and eight. running out of time. got the snap off. geno smith. throwing. far side of the field tipped in the air incomplete. intended for chris johnson broken up by julius peppers. on that is a size mismatch for peppers but great job by johnson going up and preventing peppers from coming down with the football. geno smith was under duress. he had to get rid of the football. >> nice job by chris johnson. >> geno smith three for his last 10 throwing. third and eight. [cheering] throwing, incomplete at the 15 yardline and he had kerley open. he had kerley open but someone
tipped it at the line of scrimmage. >> they are bringing everybody from the right side does a nice job. it's almost an out with a sit down. we call that a stop route. and we give the corner an outmove and it is a spot throw for the quarterback. so there is a green bay defender that got a hand on it. [cheering] fourth and eight. here they come. smith throwing to the end zone, in the air incomplete! jeremy kerley wants a call and he is not getting one. sam shields with a defensive play and the ball goes over to the packers on downs.
the nfl on cbs is sponsored by.. >> welcome back to lambeau field. 31-24 packers three-and-a-half to play. back to the one play. >> this is fourth and 4. and marty right here and rex ryan is right next to the official. and the head coach is the only coach on the sideline that can call a time-out. marty runs down and is yelling at rex ryan for the time-out but the official cannot see who is calling it. rex ryan does not call the time-out. marty is yelling for the time-out. but the official blows the whistle. and it wiped out the touchdown pass to kerley and then the fourth down attempt there incomplete.
and the jets are out of time outs. with three-and-a-half to pla y. >> lacy and the jets can not stop the clock. 60 minutes coming up next here on cbs. green bay is not going to completely forget about the pass. they have to get a first down for this clock to run out. the jets have no time outs it's important for green bay not to give the ball back to the jets and give them a desperation try. they ran on first down to keep the clock moving. but let's see a short pass and keep them inbounds and try to keep the clock moving.
>> lacy again left side. and he pushes his way out close to the 35 yardline. and the packers can take this right to the two-minute warning. jets jumped off to a 21-3 lead and got a turnover on the first snap of the game when aaron rodgers fumbled. turned it into a touchdown. jumped to a 21-3 lead and back came the packers. so it will be a two-minute warning. two minutes to play here in green bay. 31-24 packers.
not to give the ball back to the other team. and defensive is run the ball and punt it and trust the defense. >> rodgers will throw it. quick pass complete for a first down and more. there goes nelson to mid-field and that will put the icing on the cake for the green bay packers. and if i had aaron rodgers i would have that offensive mentality and be aggressive and go for it. and aaron rodgers just passed bart starr for the second most yards in franchise history. behind only brett favre. and nell con went over 200 yards of receiving. and that play clinched the game for the packers. >> 24,732. rodgers takes a knee and one more knee will do it.
green bay gets into the win column here at home. and will next take on detroit. and then chicago. so big games in the nfc north. followed by minnesota as well. the jets give it a battle. they will next play chicago on monday night. and that will do it. the jets had it early. the packers came on strong late. and green bay wins its 51st home opener. and 699 regular season wins for this great franchise
aaron rodgers engineered the comeback and he did it well. once again, our final score the green bay packers 31 and the new york jets 24. coming up next, 60 minutes followed by the big bang theory and unforgettable. for trent green, evan washburn and our entire crew at green bay. you have been watching the nfl on cbs. so long from lambeau. ♪ great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle, see how much you could save.
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>> he had determined that i had to die, that i was an evil man, that he was going to execute me, and then he was going to go straight to heaven. >> pelley: like deeds, thousands of parents have nowhere to bring their children in crisis but the emergency room. >> we have 52 psychiatric beds here at yale, and right now, all 52 are full. >> kroft: that's the apartment? >> that corner on the third floor. >> kroft: the apartment belonged to boston mobster and longtime fugitive "whitey" bulger, then the most wanted man in america. bulger eluded the f.b.i. for 14 years by hiding in plain site in santa monica, california. tonight, you'll hear from the agents who finally caught him, with some help from an alley cat and his girlfriend's breast implants. >> we just rushed him. >> kroft: you mean guns out? "fbi, don't move!" >> i asked him to identify himself and that didn't go over well. he asked me to "f"-ing identify myself. and i asked him, i said, "are
you whitey bulger?" he said, "yes." >> keteyian: nick saban runs the gold standard of college football programs. he has been disciplining and demanding on his three championships in four years. >> i want you to step, step, step. do it again. i told you three times already today. we create a standard for how we want to do things. and everybody has got to buy into that standard, or you really can't have any team chemistry. mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people. >> keteyian: and as we found out, saban's standards are no different for young football campers. >> shake hands. good job, man. >> i'm steve kroft. >> i'm lesley stahl. >> i'm morley safer. >> i'm bob simon. >> i'm scott pelley. those stories tonight on "60 minutes." i got this.
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>> pelley: last november 19, virginia state senator creigh deeds was slashed and stabbed repeatedly by his own son. gus deeds was 24 years old and had been struggling with mental illness. he and his father had been in an emergency room just hours before the attack, but they didn't get the help that they needed. the story of what went wrong with his medical care exposes a problem in the way that america handles mental health. it's a failure that came to the fore with the murders at sandy hook elementary school. the vast majority of mental patients are not violent, but this is a story about the
fraction who are a danger to themselves or others. as we first reported in january, parents of mentally ill children in crisis often find, as senator deeds did, that they have nowhere to go. creigh deeds bears the scars of this failure on his face, his body, and his soul. >> creigh deeds: i really don't want gus to be defined by his illness. i don't want gus to be defined by what happened on the 19th. gus was... was a great kid. he was... he was perfect son. you know, it's clear the system failed. it's clear that it failed gus. it killed gus. >> pelley: we met creigh deeds four weeks after the attack. he was still distraught. but he told us his story was a warning that could not wait. what would have saved gus? >> deeds: if he could have been hospitalized that night, they could have gotten him medicated, and i could have worked to get gus in some sort of long-term care. >> pelley: this is gus deeds
when he was 20 years old, a talented musician on the dean's list at the college of william and mary. >> deeds: gus, when he turned 20, i was running for governor. he wanted to come, and so he took the fall of 2009 off to be with me. and those are some of the best memories of my life is having him with me there. >> pelley: but after the campaign, for no reason anyone could see, gus deeds stopped taking care of himself and became paranoid, obsessive, anti-social. he dropped out and couldn't keep a job. in 2011, he was diagnosed as bipolar. his father was so worried that gus would kill himself, deeds told us he got rid of all of the guns in their rural farmhouse, except one hunting rifle that had no ammunition. later, with medication, gus returned to william and mary, until last fall. >> deeds: gus had posted weird things on his facebook page about, you know, how the professors were ganging up
against him, and he was going to start boycotting class. it was pretty clear to me that he wasn't taking medicine. i told gus that he and i needed to talk to somebody together. >> pelley: that's when deeds discovered that "talking to somebody"-- getting treatment-- is harder in mental health than any other kind of medicine. in the decades after the 1960s, most large mental institutions were closed. it was thought that patients would get better treatment back in their communities. but adequate local facilities were never built. the number of beds available to psychiatric patients in america dropped from more than half a million to fewer than 100,000. that leaves many kids in crisis today with one option, the emergency room. >> brian geyser: you know, every day, we have ten to 20 kids with psychiatric problems come into our emergency department, kids who want to kill themselves, who've tried to kill themselves,
who've tried to kill somebody else. >> pelley: brian geyser is a nurse practitioner we met in the emergency department of yale new haven hospital in connecticut. it's one of the best in the nation in psychiatry. >> geyser: we have 52 psychiatric beds here at yale, and right now, all 52 are full. and so the seven kids that are here in the emergency room are waiting for an open bed. >> pelley: how long will they wait? >> geyser: five of them have been here three days already. >> pelley: most every day, the beds are full of patients in crisis. 17-year-old tyler wrightington was waiting in the e.r. he had just slashed his face with a knife. you hear voices? >> tyler wrightington: yes. a new voice came about a year ago. and he... well, i call it a "he" because it was more of a deeper voice. but he ended up telling me to hurt myself and making me find ways to hurt myself. >> pelley: do the voices ever tell you to hurt someone else?
>> tyler wrightington: only once, and that was at school. and they... and that was when i got admitted into the hospital, because i was actually considering hurting the people around me. and i was... i was like, "this ain't me. this is not what i want to do." >> pelley: tyler's dad, ernie wrightington, had called a psychiatrist that week, but couldn't get an appointment for three months. there's a national shortage of psychiatrists. why is there not another option for you? >> ernie wrightington: this has always been our only option. >> pelley: the emergency room. >> ernie wrightington: the emergency room, yeah. because the... we know that when we come here... they take the time to take care of him. they sit and watch him, make sure he's okay. >> pelley: but "okay" usually means "okay for the moment." typically, insurance companies pay for this care only as long as the patients are at "imminent risk" of harming themselves or others.
>> geyser: some insurance companies will give us a couple of days, a few days before they ask us to call them back to get reauthorization for the admission. some of them are every single day that we have to call. and so usually, you know, we're talking about, you know, three to four days, and the insurance companies are saying, "all right, you know, it's time. let's get this kid out." >> pelley: because they're not going to kill themselves or someone else right now. >> geyser: right now, yeah. >> pelley: many patients need care for months or years. but there are few facilities of that kind, they're expensive, and often insurance won't cover them. so kids in crisis spin in the emergency room's revolving door. >> i want to go home! >> geyser: we need to be able to set up a system where we follow these kids into the community, we follow the families, we make sure that they have a safety net, and somebody's watching them and monitoring them, because, you know, it could be next month, it could be six months from now, and the child will do something again. but if they are not hooked into a system that is watching them, taking care of them, then we could have problems on our
hands. >> pelley: how many of you have had to take your child to the emergency room? everybody. how many times? >> mary jo andrews: i can't count. >> meg clancy: i couldn't count. >> pelley: seven connecticut mothers, including mary jo andrews, meg clancy, and dee orsi, told us about their e.r. crises and battles over insurance. >> dee orsi: my daughter, after spending... she was eight at the time-- spending 12 days in the hospital, they told me she was ready to come home. by friday morning, we were in the psychiatrist's office for her follow-up appointment. she was seeing blood dripping from the walls. there were statues telling her to kill me, and she was ready for discharge three days earlier. >> clancy: we had one with an insurance company. they wanted to discharge my daughter. she needed to stay where she was safe, and the insurance company would not pay for her to stay, and so i was told by our social
worker in the hospital that if i gave my daughter up to department of children and families, that then she would have insurance coverage through the state and she would be allowed to stay. >> pelley: wait a minute-- give... give... >> clancy: give her up. >> pelley: give her up to the state? >> clancy: correct. give her up to the state. >> pelley: and you said what? >> clancy: absolutely not. >> pelley: they formed this support group because so few people understand their troubles. for example, they share the names of contractors to repair walls or remove doors. their children punch holes in the dry wall, and can't be allowed to lock themselves in a room. what is the difference between being the mother of a child who has mental illness, and the mother of a child who might have heart disease or cancer? >> clancy: sympathy. >> pelley: being in connecticut, they watched the tragedy at sandy hook elementary with more insight than most.
referring to the killer's mother, one of them told us, if nancy lanza had a health care plan for her son, "she couldn't have made it work." >> andrews: there's really no place after the hospital, so the kids end up coming back home, right where the situation started. and you know, the psychiatrists and the hospital will say, "you're right, the system is broken." and i remember at one discharge, i refused to sign the discharge paper because i wasn't going to agree that it was appropriate. >> pelley: they discharged your child anyway? >> andrews: oh, yeah, yes. >> pelley: that is essentially what happened to creigh deeds in virginia last november. but his effort was further complicated by the fact that his son gus was an adult, over 18, and gus didn't want treatment. deeds had to get a court order and sheriff's deputies to take gus to the e.r. a state law, designed to protect
patients' rights, meant that the court order would expire in only six hours. that's all they had to find a hospital that would admit him. >> deeds: whole afternoon, gus didn't sit down. he paced the floor. he'd look at me, he'd smile. and i just had this sinking feeling that he wasn't going to be hospitalized. >> pelley: and if you didn't find a hospital bed in six hours, gus was coming home. >> deeds: he was coming home. and i was concerned that if he came home, there would... there was going to be a crisis. >> pelley: a representative of the county agency that manages mental health care told deeds that he couldn't find a hospital with a psychiatric bed appropriate for gus' case. you're concerned that your son is suicidal, the clock has run out on the emergency room, and he comes in and says, "sorry, you've got to leave?" >> deeds: well, the... he said that gus wasn't suicidal. i guess he'd made... >> pelley: based on his evaluation. >> deeds: his evaluation that gus wasn't suicidal. >> pelley: what did you say to him, in leaving the emergency room? >> deeds: i said, "the system failed my son tonight." >> pelley: there was no place to
go but home. >> deeds: and he sat at one end of the dining room table. i sat at the other end. i ate my food, and he just was writing furiously in this journal he kept. not much conversation, and i said, "good night, bud." i didn't know what was going to happen. but, the next morning, you know, i felt like there'd be a confrontation, but i didn't... i had no reason to think there'd be violence. and... but, you know, i... i got ready for work, and i went out to the barn to feed the horses, and gus was coming across the yard and he was... i said, "hey, bud, how'd you sleep?" he said, "fine." i turned my back and, you know... i turned my back. had this feed thing in my hands, and... and he was just on me. >> pelley: he attacked you. >> deeds: he... he got me twice, you know, stabbed me twice. >> pelley: with a knife? >> deeds: the state police told me they found a knife. i turned around and said, "bud,
what's going on?" i said... and he just kept coming at me. i said, "gus, i love you so much." i said, "don't make this any worse than it is." he just kept coming at me. and he just kept... i mean, you know, i... i was... i was bleeding a good bit but, you know, he turned around and he started walking toward the house. >> pelley: deeds staggered away. a neighbor found him. a helicopter ambulance was called. >> deeds: when i was in the rescue squad or in the helicopter somewhere, i'd heard about some... you know, some call came over the scanner that there'd been somebody with a gunshot wound to the head. >> pelley: the gunshot victim was gus. >> deeds: oh, yeah. >> pelley: gus had killed himself. he had found or bought ammunition for that last rifle, the unloaded rifle, that deeds had kept in the house. you were describing the last night in which he was writing feverishly in this notebook before you said good night. did you go back and look at that? >> deeds: i did.
>> pelley: what was he writing? >> deeds: he had determined that i... i had to die, that i was an evil man, that he was going to execute me and then he was going to go straight to heaven. >> pelley: you've told us in this interview again and again that you don't want gus to be defined by what happened in those few seconds. >> deeds: i want people to remember the brilliant, friendly, loving kid that was gus deeds. we'll use gus, i hope, to address mental health, and to make sure that other people don't have to suffer through this. >> pelley: creigh deeds returned to the state senate last january with four new pieces of legislation aimed at reforming mental health care in virginia. thanks to his work, state evaluators now have eight hours instead of six to find a bed in a mental health facility for a patient in crisis. there's now a real-time online registry of empty beds, and a requirement that if time runs out, patients like gus deeds can be sent to a state hospital instead of being sent home.
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moved to santa monica, california, sometime in early 1997 to begin a new phase of their life. for the next 14 years, they did almost nothing that was memorable. and as we first reported in november, they would be of absolutely no interest, if it weren't for the fact that "charlie gasko" turned out to be james "whitey" buler, the notorious boston gangster and longtime fugitive, who is now in prison serving two lifetime sentences. "carol gasko" was actually catherine greig, whitey's longtime girlfriend and caregiver. the story of how they managed to elude an international manhunt for so long while hiding in plain sight is interesting. and tonight, you'll hear it from the gaskos' neighbors, and from the federal agents who finally unraveled the case, with the help of a boob job and an alley cat. if you're forced into retirement, with a comfortable nest egg and a desire to be left completely alone, there is no place better place than santa monica, california.
this low key, seaside suburb of l.a. is shared by transients and tourists, hippies and hedonists, celebrities and lots of senior citizens attracted to the climate and an abundance of inexpensive, rent-controlled apartments just a few blocks from the ocean. places like the princess eugenia on third street, which is where charlie and carol gasko, a childless couple from chicago, lived for 14 years without attracting much attention from longtime neighbors or landlords. josh bond is the building manager. what were they like? >> josh bond: they were, like, the nice retired old couple that lived in the apartment next to me. >> kroft: good tenants? >> bond: excellent tenants. never complained, always paid rent on time. >> kroft: in cash? >> bond: in cash. >> kroft: janus goodwin lived down the hall. >> janus goodwin: they had nothing. and they never went out. they never had food delivered. she never dressed nicely. >> kroft: you thought they were poor? >> goodwin: yes, without a doubt. >> kroft: the one thing everyone remembers about the gaskos is that they loved animals and
always made a fuss over the ones in the neighborhood. barbara gluck remembers that carol gasko always fed a stray cat after its owner had died. >> barbara gluck: she would, you know, pet it and be sweet to it, and then she put a plate of food, like, out here. >> kroft: and what about charlie gasko? >> gluck: you know, he always had a hat on and dark glasses. i have to say it was mysterious to me why a lovely woman like that was hanging out with that guy, that old, grumpy man. i never could figure that one out. until i heard they had 800,000- something dollars in the wall. ( laughter ) and then i went, "oh, okay," you know? >> kroft: money wasn't the only thing found in the gaskos' apartment on june 22, 2011, when the fbi stopped by and ended what it called the most extensive manhunt in the bureau's history. >> scott garriola: weapons all over the apartment. i mean, weapons by his
nightstand, weapons under the windowsill. shotguns, mini-rugers, rifles. >> kroft: loaded? >> garriola: loaded, ready to go. >> kroft: what had started out as a routine day for special agent scott garriola, who was in charge of hunting fugitives in l.a., would turn into one of the most interesting days of his career. after getting a call to stake out a building in santa monica, he notified his backup team with the l.a.p.d. >> garriola: i had four guys working that day, and i said, "we got a tip on whitey bulger, and i'll see you there in about an hour." and invariably the texts return, "who's whitey bulger?" >> kroft: really? >> garriola: yeah, a few of them. so i had to remind them... gently remind them who whitey bulger was. >> kroft: that he was number one of the fbi's most wanted list. >> garriola: number... number one. number one, yeah. big east coast figure, but... so, on the west coast, not so much. >> kroft: the cops in l.a. were focused on gangbangers and cartel members, not some retired irish mobster who hadn't been spotted in 16 years. but then, few mobsters have ever been as infamous in a city as whitey bulger was in boston, and
his reputation was for more than just being grumpy. besides extortion and flooding the city with cocaine, bulger routinely performed or ordered executions, some at close range, some with a hail of bullets, and at least one by strangulation, after which, it's said, he took a nap. special agent rich teahan, who ran the fbi's whitey bulger fugitive task force, had heard it all. >> rich teahan: bulger was charged with 19 counts of murder. he was charged with other crimes. he was a scourge to the society in south boston, his own community. >> kroft: he was also a scourge to the fbi, and a great source of embarrassment to teahan, special agent phil torsney, and others on the fbi task force. years earlier, whitey bulger had infiltrated the boston office of the fbi and bought off agents, who protected him and plied him with information, including the tip that allowed bulger to flee just days before he was to be indicted. >> phil torsney: we really had
to catch this guy to establish credibility after all the other issues. and it was just a matter of bringing this guy back to boston. >> kroft: torsney, who's now retired, and agent tommy macdonald joined the task force in 2009. the joke was bulger was on the fbi's "least wanted list." there hadn't been a credible lead in more than a decade. and their efforts in bulger's old neighborhood of south boston were met with mistrust and ridicule. >> torsney: some people, they told us right out front, "you guys aren't looking for that guy." people just made the assumption we had him stashed somewhere. i mean, people really thought that kind of thing. >> tommy macdonald: despite that mindset that "we're not going to help you," the fbi still got it done. >> kroft: took 16 years. >> macdonald: took 16 years. yeah, this was not a typical fugitive. >> kroft: the fbi says bulger had planned his getaway years in advance, with money set aside and a fake identity for a "thomas baxter." during his first two years on the lam, bulger was in touch with friends and family, shuttling between new york,
chicago, and the resort town of grand isle, louisiana, where he rented a home until his identity was compromised. after that, it seemed as if bulger had disappeared from the face of the earth, except for the alleged sightings all over the world. how many of these tips do you think might have been true? >> torsney: boy, there was thousands and thousands of tips, and i think... i don't think any of them were true. >> kroft: one of the obstacles was there were really no good photographs of bulger or his longtime live-in girlfriend catherine greig, a former dental hygienist. the fbi often noted that the couple shared a love of animals, especially dogs and cats, and asked veterinarians to be on the lookout. there were reports that greig once had breast implants and other plastic surgery in boston, so the task force reached out to physicians. eventually, they got a call from a dr. matthias donelan, who had located her files in storage. >> macdonald: i was trying to leave the office a little early to catch one of my kids'
ballgames. and i said, "well, listen, i'm going to swing by in the morning and pick those up." and they said to me, "do you want the photos, too?" and i said, "you have photos?" and they said, "yeah, we have photos." i said, "we'll be there in 15 minutes." >> kroft: the breast implant lead produced a treasure trove of high-resolution catherine greig photographs that would help crack the case. the fbi decided to switch strategies, going after the girlfriend in order to catch the gangster. >> this is an announcement by the fbi... >> kroft: the fbi created this public service announcement. >> 60-year-old greig is the girlfriend of 81-year-old bulger. >> kroft: it ran it in 14 markets on daytime talk shows aimed at women. >> call the tip line at 1-800- call-fbi. >> kroft: and it didn't take long. the very next morning, the bulger task force got three messages from someone that used to live in santa monica, and was 100% certain that charlie and carol gasko, apartment 303 at the princess eugenia apartments, were the people they were
looking for. the descriptions and the age difference matched, and deputy u.s. marshall neil sullivan, who handled the lead, said there was another piece of tantalizing information. >> neil sullivan: the tipster specifically described that they were caring for this cat and their love for this cat. so that was just one piece of the puzzle on the tip that just added up to saying, "if this isn't them, it's something we better check out immediately because it sure sounds like them." >> kroft: a search of the fbi's computer database for the gaskos raised another red flag-- not for what it found, but for what it didn't. >> sullivan: basically, like, they were ghosts >> kroft: no driver's license... >> sullivan: exactly. no driver's license, no california i.d., like they didn't exist. >> kroft: that's the apartment. >> garriola: right, that corner on the third floor. >> kroft: on the right-hand side? >> garriola: yep. >> kroft: by early afternoon, fbi agent scott gariolla had set up a number of surveillance posts, and had already met with apartment manager josh bond to talk about his tenants. >> bond: he closed the door, threw down a folder and opened it up and said, "are these the people that live in apartment
303?" >> kroft: did you say anything when you saw the pictures? >> bond: my initial reaction was, "holy ( bleep )." >> kroft: you're living next door to a gangster. >> bond: well, i still didn't really know who he was. >> kroft: but it didn't take him long to figure it out. while the fbi was mulling its options, bond logged on to bulger's wikipedia page. >> bond: and i'm kind of scrolling down. it's like, "oh, wow, this guy's serious." it's, like, murders and extortion. and then, i get to the bottom and there's this... this thing. it's like, from one of his old, you know, people saying, "well, the last time i saw him, he... he said, you know, when he goes out, he's... he's going to have guns and he's going to be ready to take people with him. i was like, "ooh, maybe i shouldn't be involved in this." ( laughs ) >> kroft: i mean, we're sitting here laughing about it, but he is a pretty serious guy. >> bond: yeah, yeah. >> kroft: and he killed a lot of people, or had them killed >> bond: i didn't know that at the time. >> kroft: bond told the fbi he wasn't going to knock on the gasko's door, because there was a note posted expressly asking people not to bother them. carol had told the neighbors that charlie was showing signs of dementia.
>> garriola: so we were back there... >> kroft: so, garriola devised a ruse involving the gaskos' storage locker in the garage. >> garriola: it had the name "gasko" across it and "apartment 303." >> kroft: he had the manager call to tell them that their locker had been broken into, and that he needed someone to come down to see if anything was missing. carol gasko said her husband would be right down. >> garriola: we just rushed him. >> kroft: you mean guns out? "fbi, don't move!" >> garriola: gave the words, "hey, fbi." "get your hands up." hands went up right away. and then, at that moment, we told him get down on his knees and he gave us... yeah, he gave us a "i ain't getting down on my "f"-ing knees." >> kroft: didn't want to get his pants dirty. >> garriola: didn't want to get his pants dirty. you know, wearing white and seeing the oil on the ground, i guess he didn't want to get down in oil. >> kroft: even at 81, this was a man used to being in control. >> garriola: i asked him to identify himself and that didn't go over well. he asked me to "f"-ing identify myself, which i did. and i asked him, i said, "are you whitey bulger?" he said, "yes." just about that moment, someone
catches my attention from a few feet away by the elevator shaft. >> kroft: it was janus goodwin from the third floor, coming to do her laundry. >> goodwin: and i said, "excuse me. i think i can help you. this man has dementia, so if he's acting oddly, you know, that could be why." >> garriola: immediately, what flashed through my mind is, "oh, my god, i just arrested an 81- year-old man with alzheimer's who thinks he's whitey bulger. what is he going to tell me next, he's elvis?" so i said, "do me a favor. this woman over here says you have a touch of alzheimer's, and he said, "don't listen to her, she's "f"-ing nuts." he says, "i'm james bulger." >> kroft: a few minutes later, he confirmed it, signing a consent form allowing the fbi to search his apartment. >> garriola: as he's signing, he says, "that's the first time i've signed that name in a long time." >> kroft: was there a sense of resignation? >> garriola: i don't think he had it. i did ask him, i said, "hey, whitey," i said, "aren't you relieved that you don't have to look over your shoulder anymore and, you know, it's come to an end?" and he said, "are you ( bleep ) nuts?" >> kroft: but, in some ways,
whitey bulger and catherine greig had already been prisoners in apartment 303, which appeared to be a mixture of the murderous and the mundane. alongside the weapons and all the money, they had stockpiled a lifetime supply of cleansers, creams, and detergents. the fbi took special interest in a collection of 64-ounce bottles with white socks stretched over the top. >> garriola: i said, "hey whitey, what are these? are these some kind of molotov cocktail you're making?" he goes, "no," he said, "i buy tube socks from the 99 cents store, and they're too tight on my calves and that's the way i stretch them out." i said, "why you shopping at the 99 cent store? you have half a million dollars under your bed." he goes, "i had to make the money last." >> kroft: its been said that one of the reasons it took so long to catch whitey bulger is that people were looking for a gangster, and bulger, whether he liked it or not, had ceased to be one. >> torsney: he said it was hard to keep up that mindset of a criminal. and that's part of the reason he came down to that garage.
it was hard to stay on that edge, that criminal edge, after being on the lam as a regular citizen for 15 years. >> kroft: the master manipulator gave credit to catherine greig for keeping him crime-free, hoping it would mitigate her sentence. she is now serving eight years for harboring a fugitive. on the long plane ride back to boston, bulger told his captors that he became obsessed with not getting caught, and would do anything to avoid it, even if it meant obeying the law. whitey bulger's biggest fear, they said, was being discovered dead in his apartment and he had a plan to avoid it. >> torsney: if he became ill and knew he was on his deathbed, he'd go down to arizona, crawl down in the bottom of one of these mines, and die and decompose. and hope.. hope that we would never find him and still be looking... looking for him forever.
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