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>> i am bob schieffer and today on face the nation, the president tries to musterd coalition to fight isis and the nfl commissioner says he-nl9x is sorry again. >> i got it wrong in the handling of the ray rice matter. and i am sorry for that. >> schieffer: we will talk about the domestic violence crisis in the nfl, then we will examine the president's plan$>ir war on isis and the divide between the milit president on the need foregrounñ troops. plus in another embarrassment for the secretoqalk service, a n jumps the fence and actually gets in to2]úb through the front door. we will talk to intelligence committee chair senator feinstein and congressman mike rogers, then turn to an all-star panel of experts for analysis.
and on the eve of the annual united nations meeting in new york, we will checkjambe in wit. ambassadocv get an update on the efforts tos fight the ebola epidemic. 60 years of news because this is face thevçrguñi from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. captioning sponsored by cbs and good morning again. we are going to start with a story that just will9jm away, the crisis in the nfl, roger goodell promises(> in the league on domestic violence, so far herz specifics, the baltimore ravens say they will hold ab$ conference monday, formallyqwq6p respond to an espn report that they knew thezq ray rice did but successfully lobbied the and a shocking report that has gone all butoo;e unnoticed, the league says that nearly one in three4k debilitatingy-9r'h!aain conditi. the anchor of the nfl todayhí
cbs news special correspondence james brown has been on the story all week, and we start as i understand it, with the baltimore ravens now saying that this report on espn contains numerous errors inj;y5eu((v false assumptions and perhaps1+ misunderstandings. i know you have been talking to people in the ravens organization. you have been talking$çnç to thú all week. what can you tell us about this? >>z6,rx reporter: and, bob, including thekc8añ owner steve e shot at this .. who i spoke to tuesday before the broadcast. that has been reported on on thv outside the lines report by espn, nothing different than what i covered in my conversations a wide-ranging one with steve, ag the:n2ew text messages specificy that the report talked about, i asked steve about that. he acknowledged and was very forthright he sent twofv/añ text messages to ray and shared the contentswnóy÷ of.
in terms of whether people wantu ray rice's silence, i didn't necessarily see it that way. i thought steve was very forthcoming in what he hadi offering to ray in termsá support of the organization, and potentially a job afterwards, which is not different than what he has done with a previous player donte stallworth who unfortunately was inebriated and involved in a car accident that killed an innocent person as well. >> schieffer: well are we going to get anything more specific? i mean, ray mcdonald of the 49ers charged with felony assault on his pregnant wife. he is going to be in theáç >> reporter: which is exactly why i guess a policy needs to come from the1 leave the individual 32 teams with determining what that should be.!ji8w bob, i think there is consensus domestic violence then until the facts are in, that player ought to be sat down, witho%.?v paydaf
in fact the player is convicted of aoó,>o charge, then they are, whatever thatñwòx is, six6bxañ z year, without pay. it is as simple as that. those are things that will be collectively bargained, i know a lot of people want to see and hear more specifics from the commissioner but again?zljy thes a investigation as crowell know that will be investigated by bob muller the former fbi commissioner and said everything is on the table in terms of what will be done once all the facts are in, and quite frankly azbbv5 that the commissioner be subjected to some type of fine and/or suspension because that is exactly the kind of standard that he has had with players too. >> schieffer: all right. well, jb keep us posted and let you get to your business with the nfl today and see you later during the broadcast today, thanks a lot. >> good talking to you,á >> schieffe are gathering in new york this week for the annual unitedqzfz nations conference and u.s. ambassador samantha power joins
us from new york, ambassador, welcome. let me just start right in here. u.s. officials, according to the wall street journal say it is important for other nations to join the united states in launching air strikes into syria, so i guess my question is, do yo do you have any indicn yet that other nations will be willing to do that? >> we do, bob. but we are going to leave it to othev/éqnations to announce for themselves what their specific commitments to the coalition are going to be. secretary kerry chaired a meeting of the security council here on friday in new york, and more support of our efforts, including france, which announced it had just conducted air strikes in iraq against isil for the first time, saudi arabia which described the training facility that it is providing for syria's moderate opposition and a whole host of other commitments, including germany, which has broken with tradition in order to provide weapons and military equipment to the iraqis and the kurds. so it is
as you know with a whole host of aspects to it, but the combat role is very important, of course. >> schieffer: i just want to make sure i heard you right because i think you made a little news here. you do have word that other nations are going to join us on conducting air strikes in to syria? >> well, as youxv+vó know, bob,e president has said we aree going)&ag allow ice sillx÷> schieffer: and gowned troops, what commitments are there foreground troops to join ini7[v this? >> i think the most(cli importat commitments are the commitments of the iraqis, the kurds and the syrian moderate opposition which has been fighting isil forxa/ nearly a year,q/ appealing for outside/ now that congress approved overwhelmingly in az:jo very bipartisan way the training and equipage that help is on the way for the moderate opposition so local forces are always going to beg
in a country that of course belongs to the iraqis, the kurds and in the case of syria the syrians. >> schieffer: secretary kerry said last week]7?squ york that every country has a part in this, including iran. what exactly is iran's part? >> well, let me stress that we are not coordinating military operations or sharing intelligence with iran i think what the secretary that iran has made clear that im too views isil as an enemy and as a threat and so in that respect, you know, all of our operations are oriented around the objective of degrading and destroying isil and we are waiting to hear whether iran thinks it has a constructive role to play but i h iran's behavior and its actions in syria have been very destructive from our perspective,mf supportinga0 hezbollah, supporting the assad regime whichñ been complicit with-
spending in up more time going after civilian neighborhoods and the m n[ going after such a profound monstrous terrorist threat. and that they have received the full support of iran as you know throughout this conflict so those actions would have to change really if we are going to deal with isil in a comprehensive way, assad is not somebody who can be relied upons as a partner in the effort against isil. >> schieffer: ambassador, let me ask you this question, because a lot of people in washington, it is bothering them. why does the president to stress what we are not going to do? no ground troops, no shock and awe. instead of stressing what we are going to do? is that -- is he boxing himself in here in an effort to assure people we are not going to launch another war like we already had in iraq? >> well, i think what he is doing is describing of the campaign that he has
worked out with his cabinet and most %d importantly with chairmn dempsey, secretary hagel and his military advisors. so i guess ik premise, i think he has been very clear we are going to use our unique capabilities with true air operations to support the ground efforts by the iraqis and the kurds. we are going to mobilize counter financing, we are going to promote counter violent extremism programs in communities, working with countries all around the world. you know, there are a lot of different aspects toml strategy that he has spoken to and when he comes to new@e4ps y, on wednesday he will be convening ahead of state summit a very rare thing in the history of the u.n. security council, created on states to stop the stem of foreign terrorist fighters to conflict areas like that in iraq and syria. >> schieffer: but i guess the question that a lot of the critics have is, isn't he kind of watering down his message to
the terrorists when he says we are not going to do this and we are not going toy4x> well, given the string of military defeats isil suffered since the united states got involved in iraq i would assume that isil is taking the united states very, very seriously as they are now on their heels in a way they were not before the u.s. got involved but the other thing i would say, bob, the strategy the president has laid out has the overwhelming support of the american people even after ten years of war, so i think we are presenting a strategy in a manner that american people understand, is in our interests. they understand the national security imperative of taking on isil and understand that other countries have to be a part of that and we have to build a coalition, so i think the message is coming across loud and clear. >> >> schieffer: madam secretary, madam ambassador, i should say,
we thank you so much for being with us this morning. >>"éiq i really appreciate you having me. thank you. >> schieffer: please come back. >> absolutely. >> schieffer: and to talkxhn chairs of the intelligence committees are here with us this morning, it is rare for republican and a democrat to appear together anymore in washington, which is just another sign of the partisan divide,dvq do that. california senate dianne feinsten is in san francisco, michigan congressman mike rogers here in the studio, they chair the two and senator feinstein, i want to ask you about what samantha power has just been talking about but first i have to ask you about this situation we have now, this thing that is blown up in the nfl one of the players for the 49ers, your hometown team, ray mcdonald, charged witñ felony assault on his wife, yet he will be in the starting laneup out there today. how do you feel about all of this and what is happening in
the nfl? all ofrx the women in the senate by saying qg1i are very -- we ae surprised, resolute to do something about it. having said,'u) that, i ayk1u ar fan and i remember the glory days of the niners when i was mayor of five super bowls, terrific team. what hasvk#v happened,>a(ñz excs a dramatic growthhahtu in violec and i think ifí!:# you combine violence with alcohol in in a social set you get a very unpredictable result. i think there is no place for this, period. i believe very strongly that if a player is arrested they should be suspended and if they areó'qc know there are this has gone on too long, it is getting too bad, and this team
-- these teams have to set an example for the rest of society. football is a major sport, the nfl is a great league. i have known pete roszell and roger goodell a little bit but there has to be a strength in the league and they have to project the values of what is right and what is wrong, and to let players continue to play after they have been convicted of what would be a felony i think is a huge mistake. >> schieffer: all right. well, mike rogers, i want to ask you about something that happened here in washington last night, and we keep talking about national security. a guy jumps a white house gate and actually gets in to the white house before he is arrested. the president and his team were not there and all of that, but what needs to be done here? >> well, again, one of the
biggest problems in a static security force is atrophy of concern, and i think what you have seen is that they are not doing their audits, their checks, their test runs to make sure that people are up to the right standard. we see this a lot that happens frequently in other places where there are static security forces, and it is just a matter of the secret service upping their game to make sure that they can maintain that every detail mattered. a door locked, a quick reaction when somebody hits the fence and over the gate and i think they will have to reinstate some of these ongoing checks about what activities they participate in. and i am talk about their self audits on their security. >> schieffer: "the new york times" reports today that a syrian terror group called corazon is more of a direct threat to the united states and europe than isis. you have talked about this, congressman rogers, but i it has
not gotten much attention, i must say. i would hike to ask both of you, all of a sudden now, you know, isis is here and all of a sudden we are hearing there is something worse down the line. first of all al qaeda always has been on that immediate path of conducting western add tax. we shouldn't forget it. what happened with isis and i disagree with the assumption it is less. it is different. it is more immediate, this group that you call corson group we described it before it is deployed al qaeda operatives engaging with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula to develop a terror plot to bring down airplanes they haven't lost that interest in doing it. that means it is serious, they have both capability, financing and people all of that is dangerous. but if you step back, isis, they have something different, they have access to people with western passports. well, this group of al qaeda individuals almusra is an al qaeda group in syria they have access to some of those same individuals, that's why we are
so concerned about the possibility of them pulling off a successful attack and buy we have retrimmed our efforts if you will. >> senate feinstein do you share chairman rogers' concerns about this group. >> i do, and i think there are essentially three major groups that would affect our national security, affect our homeland. of course one of them is isil, another is aqap coming out of yemen that has a bomb that goes through magnetometers and has tried to get four of those on different occasions into our country, and there is isil. each one of these is capable of one day some sooner than later of a strike against our country. so this is not a good situation. with isil, in my vieg this aims to be a country, a
caliphate. it has a third of syria already, it has occupied some 14, 15 cities in iraq. it beheads -- excuse me. it beheads children. i have a picture of what i estimate to be a six-year-old girl in a gingham party dress, white tights, a little red band around her wrist, mary jane, and he is lying on the ground and her head is gone. this could be an american child. it could be a european child, it could be a child anywhere. and this is the mentality of the group that we are so concerned with. they have killed thousands, they are marching on. they have an army. they are well organized. many of us believe they are aimed at baghdad, perhaps our embassy this, and who knowslp else. what kind of authorization of use of force, we give the
president, and when we go back after the election that has to be a major point of debate. >> schieffer: well, let me ask you this then. the president keeps stressing there will be no ground troops involved in this. you heard me talking to samantha power about this very thing. this is the president boxing himself in here by stressing what we are not going to do should he be talking more about what we may have to do and that we have to do what is necessary here? >> well, the president -- excuse me. has a strategy. that strategy, i think, had something that was very special. that is a majority of republicans and a majority of the senate supporting him and that is the first time i think this has happened in a long time. so it is something very special. i think it is safe to say it is a strategy. now strategies develop.
i believe understand what general dempsey have said but i think we need to deal with use of force in a -- and the general nature in an amendment perhaps to the authorization to use military force, perhaps in something separate that deals with nonstate actors who are real threats to our country and who are creating massive violence throughout the world. isis is a problem because it has access to europe, so many fighters for europe, and visa wave countries where they can go back and be waved into our country. that is part of a concern about isis. >> we need to deal with this on a more comprehensive basis. >> schieffer: well, congresswoman rogers, does that mean that congress should tell the president, look, if you need to use ground troops, we are ready to back you on that. we need to do whatever needs to be done here? >> well, we need to start
talking about a plan to defeat isis. we probably should lay out our shouldn't lay out our battle plans but not take off anything from the table. military says please don't limit us on what we need to do to defeat this terrorist group so think about where we are. egypt, assisi just said he would be interested in helping on isis. this is huge. this is an important development, but a few years ago he said give me the equipment, mr. president, so that i can push back on terrorists in the sinai, he said no, the terrorists said yes he has a fight on his hands, the arab league partners came to us a couple of years ago and said mr. president we need help on fighting extremists in eastern syria the president said no, the terrorists said yes, now they hold land about the size of indiana in eastern syria and iraq, poroshenko came to the united states and gave an inspirational speech about standing up for liberty, used our revolutionary motto live free or die the president said, no, the russians said yes.
>> schieffer: as i watch the documentary on pbs this week about franklin and eleanor roosevelt and their cousin teddy, i couldn't help but think about what set them apart from today's politicians. yes, they were very smart but there are still a lot of smart people in washington. yes, they saw wrongs that needed to be corrected but we still have those with good hearts, and, yes, they were good politicians, but we still have a few good politicians around here. what set them apart to my mind was their courage. when they saw wrong, they not
only tried to make it right, but they did so with no guarantee of success. what a glaring contrast to the washington of today which spends most of its time doing nothing and the rest of its time devising schemes to avoid responsibility for anything. the latest example, when congress approved arming the syrian rebels they stuck the legislation in a bill that also provided money to keep the government from shutting down. that way if arming the rebels turns out to be a debacle members can say, i was never forearming the rebels, i just voted to prevent the government shutdown. the roosevelt documentary was 14 hours long spread over seven nights, a story about the courage of today's washington would take about 30 minutes. at most. would take about 30 minutes. at most. >> back in a minute. >>
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welcome back to face nation. we are joined by jane harman now at the woodrow wilson senator, former senator joe lieberman who is heading up a new anti-terrorism group called the counter extremism project, cbs contributor mike mor mohr reall, formerly number 2 at the cia along with robert kagan of the brookings institution. welcome, well, samantha power says that other nations have agreed to participate in air strikes into syria. any guesses as to who that would be and i would take that as good news in a week when there hasn't been much, jane. >> welshes france is one. the uae is two and i think some other groups in the neighborhood would be very welcome there, but the challenge is, who would be on the ground? that is the murky piece of this, as you
covered in the last segment with dianne feinsten and mike rogers, there are several groups on the ground that could harm us, and if the al nusra group or part of a corson group affiliated with the al qaeda group mixed with yemen and i know this is complicated that bowp could harm the u.s. even sooner than isil. so we have to be very careful on the ground and we need muslim bootsma on the ground and i haven't seen anybody sign up yet. >> and i would just -- i think the, said they would only g go into iraq. >> that's true. >> but otherwise i think -- >> well syria is a harder problem, and if we are going to push back isil by air, somebody has to hold the ground and we are training up some moderate syrians, but that is a long, slow process. >> schieffer: yes. and you are absolutely right who are going to be the troops that
go in on the ground? >> let me just go back to the air for a moment because it is about 11 days since the president went before the nation, essentially dechaired war against isis, i thought it was an excellent speech, said he would go into syria to follow them to their havens. i think it is very important that we strike isis from the air in sir i can't quickly, because in the midst of all the conversation about will there be ground troops or not i think people in the region and maybe elsewhere are beginning to question whether there will be american follow through on the speech that the president made. so it will be grade great to have allies with us when we strike the terrorists in syria, but it is not worth waiting much longer. i hope those air strikes come against isis and syria very soon. >> and, bob, it is very important that the countries who join us that some of those be arab countries, and i think jane is right, we are going to see that and the reason it is important is so that we don't play to the isis and al us in
are a narrative it is christians killing muslim. it is very important to have the muslim countries with us. >> schieffer: bob, the press keeps talking about the things, i mean, i am quoting as critics the things we are not going to do and you hear me ask samantha power about that. what concerns me, and i think what concerns some critics is that he is diluting his message when he says what we are not going to do. >> part of the problem is he is diluting the mental but the bigger problem is that they are building their strategy backwards from what they don't want to do. if we have decided that isis or these other groups are vital threats to the united states, you don't usually deal with vital threats to the united states by first listing all the things you are not going to do to go after them. we have had senior military advisors, generals, chosen by president obama who have said, who have made it clear they believe there has to be some
u.s. military presence on the ground to make these operations work, but we see a president who is saying, that is not going to happen and i think that, you know,, the biggest problem is a strategy that can actually have some successful success of working. >> but the strategy needs a soft power piece and that's why owe is what going to do on monday is critical. our narrative our counter narrative not just ours but the 40 nation in nation ms. the coalition against isil is what is going to win the day. the pragmatic sunnis for the moments are supporting isil because there is no real alternative maybe the new government in iraq will be that alternative, maybe something in syria will be that alternative but we have to woo those folks back if we don't win the argument, we are never, we, the coalition of 40, are never going to prevail against -- >> schieffer: that is exactly -- >> thank, the counter extremism project will be a private, nonprofit international action and policy group which
essentially is saying the greatest threat to our security, world security today comes from extremism, and most of it today is from islamic extremism, terrorism, violence, the government obviously have to lead but i think there is a role for people in private life, and we are going to do three things, mainly. one, create a database of these terrorist groups and who is supporting them. their financial support. second he, we are going to work to break that financial support. for instance, if you are a company, illegally buying oil from isil or isis, we are going to call you out and put pressure on you to stop, and the third really important, and we are building support from leaders in the muslim world for this, there needs to be a well financed counter narrative to the extremist ideology that is drawing more and more young disaffected muslims into this terrible violent lifestyle, it
is very clear, everywhere the extremists go, including isis, the people, the muslims on the ground are terrified and a lot of them are leaving. they don't want this. he is unpopular. but if the rest of the world sits back and doesn't provide a counter narrative to this violence, they will leave and the extremists with all their brutality will dominate more and more of the world. we can't let that happen. >> schieffer: bob, you were just about to say. >> first of all that is critically important, and i am really glad senator lieberman is taking this task on, it is important and of course soft power is important but we are kidding ourselves if we don't understand that at the end of the day the people we are fighting about don't care about soft power, they don't care about the international economy, they are using force to accomplish their objectives, i think in america these days, we have somehow told ourselves that there are a lot of ways of dealing with these problems other than hard power, vladimir putin cares about hard power,
isis cares about hard power and in order even to accomplish these soft power objectives, you have to prove that you are also willing to fight them on the ground and defeat them. that's how you will get allies. >> so two more things on the hard power side. one is i agree 100 percent with jane we have to find a way to get troops on the ground guiding and assisting the moderate opposition in syria, that is the only way they are going to be effective it has to be the u.s. or it has to be other countries, hopefully arab countries but somebody has to do that, and over the longer term there has to be a capacity building program in all of these countries that face islamic extremists and in that capacity building program has to focus on intelligence, has to focus on law enforcement, has to focus on military and has to focus on rule of law. >> schieffer: what do we do about assad? you know, the president said and he is right, he is our enemy. he is the reason that syria is in the terrible shape it is in. syria is in large areas
ungoverned today, which is why a group like corazon, which is mostly al qaeda forward deployment has gone there. so i don't think there can be -- we can both fight isis and fight assad at the same time, and that's what i think -- >> schieffer:. >> and that's what we should do? >> i think that's exactly what we should do. >> schieffer: we should attack assad? >> yes, we should attack assad and attack isis and -- >> what we can do in syria which is as we take strikes against isis in syria we can also do what we should have been doing over the past few careers which is taking down assad's air force, which he is using to commit terrible humanitarian disasters and crater his runways and keep his air from flying and that is something the saudis are asking us to do. >> he already with his air force is attacking the nonisil groups on the ground. i mean isil is helping him for the moment. we have to be careful as we get into syria that we are not
empowering the wrong groups and end up empowering him, you need to remember he used chemical weapons on his own people, something unprecedented since the early eighties when iraq did this on iran and iran hasn't forgotten that, and i don't -- i think we should continue to view him as a moral outlaw and in these ungoverned parts of syria, we do have a challenge, because there is no effective governance on the ground, it is ungoverned territory, one more point on soft power, though. let's understand these messages that isil is putting out which unfortunately are enhanced by running them on media. i wish the western media would not amplify them. but at any rate, they are putting out effective soft power messages and recruiting all of these psychopaths to their cause, that's who the foreign fighters are, there are some through true believers in assad and these sunni pragmatists but the bottom line is the soft power that isil uses is how isil is growing its ranks. >> senator lieberman is
absolutely right. assad is the key problem here, supported by iran and supported by russia. i would fully support going after him and his leadership team aggressively, but i don't want to do it in a way that degrades the syrian military, the syrian security service and syrian intelligence service because they need to be able to bring stability to that country when saddam, when assad does go. so we need to get rid of assad but do it in a way that keeps -- that keeps the ability to hold that country together in place so we don't end up with iraq or don't end up with a libya. >> wrong the pilots who are dropping bombs on civilian buildings are the ones to pull syria together after assad leaves. >> schieffer: how do you do that, though, mike? you are saying, get assad but leigh his army in place? >> i think we have to come to the conclusion that i think the senator has come to and everybody at this table agrees he is the primary problem so let's figure out a way of
removing him from the battlefield. >> yes. he will try to act as if he is our ally now because we have the same enemy in isis, but as others have said sometimes the enemy of your enemy is still your enemy and assad is the enemy here. i think, i mean, remember last year after the bread line and the chemical weapons, the president was going to strike assad's military structures from the air, pulled back on it as we know. we are going to go into syria now with air power against isis, there is no reason why we can't selectively use that air power against assad and that will empower the people of syria, particularly the moderate opposition that we are now going to give arms to. >> jane doesn't seem quite as -- >> i am not as robustly certain that we have this mission in focus. i don't think obama's strategy yet includes going after assad, it certainly includes not working with him. i think these terror groups, again, it is complicated, it is not just isil, it is al mustra,
corazon, these other groups, a yemen in bomb group could hurt us faster with foreign fighters and passports, remember the rest of the world, iran, the deadline for the agreement is coming up, it is a very serious issue in the middle east, which deserves massive focus, russia and ukraine, these are countries with nuclear capability or nuclear weapons and an arms place in the middle east right now in the middle of all of this would be catastrophic. >> what would russia do if we just declared war on assad and went after him? after all, syria is their client state. i mean -- >> i think we need to have a conversation with the russians that probably will not go anywhere but we need have a conversation that says, these islamic extremists in iraq and syria are as great a threat to you had lad as they are to us because they are going to go up into the caucuses and address
problems there. it is a nightmare for russia. >> i agree with mike on that but russia obviously does not see assad as an enemy as we do. he is their client, he is their agent, and i don't think you are going to be able to convince them to -- here is the problem. when putin went and took crimea, i don't think he asked what are the americans going to do in response? i am afraid he decided they are in the going to do anything and the europeans are not going to do anything. i think this is the case where america has to show with our allies, particularly in the arab world we are ready to act, and that action will create a reality that will not only bring others to our side but will make it harder for russia to respond. what are they going to do? >> schieffer: what do you think the american people are so disenchanted right now with the president's handling of all of this. the latest poll i saw showed 37 percent approve of the president's handling of foreign policy. why is that that way and can the
president turn that around? >> well, he just got a bipartisan majority in each house of congress for the request to arm andl moderate syrians in saudi arabia. and he just built a 40 nation coalition to support them. he is going to be at the u . in this week i think a new poll is needed but i would make one last point. congress. the new -- the policy at the moment is don't ask, just tell, congress is ducking this whole thing, and i think that is totally irresponsible. the american people's voice is congress, there needs to be a special session before or after the election and aarqúreview ofe strategy is. >> i am sorry, that is a really good point. i think the public began to lose confidence in the president on foreign policy because they didn't feel he was leading and for a while they were happy with that because they wanted to stay out of problems, but then
russia, isis, iraq, the whole combination has scared people. now i thought the president's speech to the nation about a week and a half ago was going to turn that around and i am afraid it didn't because there were too many of what you talked about before. and not just what we are going to do to protect you, mr. and mrs. america, but here is what we are not going to do, and i don't think that was particularly reassuring to the american people, and it was reassuring to our enemies over there. so that's why i say, mr. president, order the u.s. air force to begin striking isis at least in syria right now and stop saying what we are not going to do. let the enemy worry about that. >> schieffer: okay. >> stimpson had a great line the president can't ask the american people to tell them advance if they would follow him if he decides to lead. >> schieffer: i think we are going to let it stop right there. we will be right back. i thank all of you very much. we will be right back with an update on the ebola epidemic in
the all new, head turning cadillac ats coupe. it's irresistible. ♪ >> schieffer: we want to talk some now about this crisis over ebola and joining us from nashville, the head of the vanderbilt university department of preventative medicine, william shatner and chief medical correspondent dr. john la puke, he is in new york, of course, dr. lapook let me start with you, we have reports this week that the cdc is estimating the number of cases of ebola by the end of january as possibly affecting as many as half million people. now, this research has not been made public yet, but can you tell us, do yo do you know anytg about this? does this sound right to you? >> well, i did reach out to the cdc this morning and they are backing away from that exact number but they are going to come out in the future with some
estimates. but i think there is no doubt this is huge problem, it is daunting, but there are some encouraging signs, because obviously this is the biggest international effort we have ever seen for an outbreak, and in addition to understanding that you have to supply people with hospitals, with training, with person nell, personnel there is the realization you need t to build trust .. and tht has been one of the big problems here because people have been running away from healthcare. so for example, i spoke last night to dr. paul farmer the head of partners in health they met with the president of liberia last week with the idea of for the very first time in liberia and in western africa making modern medicine available so that people actually run towards healthcare rather than running away from it, and paul said to me, whenh ebola ever collidedzh@mi with mn medicine? never. >> schieffer: dr. sharpener, the president as we all know,
assigned 3,000 u.s. military personnel to deploy to africa in this fight. how much impact do you think this is going to have? >> obviously, it is going to help some, but how far do you think this will go? will we need to do more? >> well, this is a big problem, and perhaps we will need to do more, but this is an important beginning, the military is going to go in there and put in field hospitals, mass units, if you will, and do an awful lot of training of locals. don't give a man a fish, teach them to fish, and we have to leave that infrastructure in place. we are going to have to organize medical care just as john has said. it is very important for two reasons. not just the humanitarian reason, we want to take care of these very sick people but also we need to get those stick people out of homes. that is the public health reason, because when they are cared for by people at home, their family members, that is
where transmission occurs, and the next cases occur. >> schieffer: what do you think, dr. lapook? i mean, obviously, this would not be the assignment i think most people in our military would hope to get. this is a very dangerous assignment. what do you see as the challenges for these people that are going to be going there? >> well, i think it must be daunting to think about going over there. they are not going to have direct contact with patients and i think that is very important, because there have been a lot of misinformation around here. it is not airborne you don't get it like you get the flu. you have to have direct contact with fluids, but i think it is such an important thing because it is not only affecting the people directly who have ebola but as dan kelley who is a doctor i spoke to in sierra leone, ebola kills healthcare systems, think about it all the people who are staying at home with fever, with gastroenter try advertise and have malaria they are afraid to go to the hospital so they end up dying at home, so this is such a where huge
problem and i think the world is understandably and correctly reacting to it in a massive way .. >> dr. schaffner we have been talking about how trust is such an important part of this, and i noted that yesterday some health workers were attacked while trying to bury ebola victims. we are starting from ground on this. how do we do that? to convince people that our people are going to be there to help? >> we are going have to just keep on doing the right things and we need to communicate more effectively with the public. without the public's trust and cooperation the epidemic will continue no matter how much medical care we provide. so we need to communicate clearly and compassionately with folks in ways that they understand. >> schieffer: i notice. >> i saw a remarkable video dan kelley showed me from sierra leone and there is a woman carrying a
think, are you afraid if you go to the hospital they will inject you with ebola to give it to you? and she said, well, we hear a lot of things, i don't know what to think. imagine that she -- there actually was a possibility in her mind that doctors were giving the people ebola. so that's what we are up against. >> schieffer: dr. schaffner, any final word? >> this is a big start. it is an international effort. it is terribly important, it is impacting the economies of these countries. this is something we need to do, and i think we ought to be proud that we are sending a group of military experts there to help out. >> schieffer: all right. well i want to thank you both for being with us, and we will be right back. >>
>> schieffer: finally today, if this week showed us anything, it was that when one thing goes wrong, everything seems to go wrong. so to top off a week when things got more tangled up than ever, that guy jumped the white house fence, ran across the lawn, opened the front door and actually got in to the white house. there is a big investigation underway to correct the problem and i am always reluctant to
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