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>> dickerson: today on "face the nation." has the call pain 2016 roller coaster had the last dip. donald trump started the week on a high note. dominating his competitors in the northeast. >> it's over. as far as i'm concerned it's over. >> dickerson: then looked like traditional candidate for a minute. >> the trump administration will lead a free world that is properly armed and funded and funded beautifully. >> dickerson: the weekended on more familiar note dodging protesters on a trip to california. >> that was not the easiest entrance i made. we went under a fence, through a fence, felt like i was crowing the border. >> dickerson: ted cruz trying to put up a wall. he named carly fiorina as his running mate but faced obstacles
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from john baner. >> lucifer in the flesh. dickerson: we'll hear from ted cruz then turn to bernie sanders who faces a decision about where to take his movement next. donald trump's convention manager paul manafort and south carolina senator lindsey graham will also be here. plus look at washington's big weekend with the press. >> i don't want to spend too much time on the donald. following your lead i want to show some restraint. >> dickerson: all coming up on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning, welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. we begin with the republicans, donald trump now has 80% of the delegates needed to win the nomination. efforts to stop him seem to be phasing and we sat down with ted cruz earlier and asked him whether he thought it was time for republican to make their choice known whether they're for donald trump or against him. >> i think it is a basic choice of what we believe.
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one of the reasons this week that i announced carly fiorina and my vice president shall nominee is provide clear voice, there couldn't be a clearer choice between carly and me on the one side running on issues, running on substance, running on jobs and freedom and security and protecting the american people. versus donald trump and hillary clinton on the other side. and donald and hillary are really flip sides of the same coin. hillary has made millions of dollars selling power and influence in washington. donald has made billions buying politicians like hillary clinton and i will say for republicans, if we end up nominated, if we end up in the general election having two candidates on the ballot who are both big government rich new york, we will have profoundly failed this country. both donald trump and hillary clinton agree they think planned parenthood is wonderful, they both support taxpayer funding for it. i disagree with it. they both supported bill
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clinton's law banning many of the most popular firearms in america. i disagree with donald trump and hillary clinton on that. >> dickerson: let me ask you this, if the choice is that clear and has been for some time, why are ten million people voted for donald trump, many millions more than you, 300 or more more delegates. were those people confused about the choice? did they miss something? >> early on donald did well when there were 17 candidates because he unified his support, he has impassed minority behind him and when everyone else was diffused he won a lot of early states. then he just had a good week winning new york and adjoining states, did he well close to home and media reacted with breathless excitement. what i can tell you prior to new york in the three weeks that preceded it, we saw five states in a row that voted. utah, north dakota, wisconsin, colorado, wyoming, 1.3 million people voted in those five states, we won landslide five
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elections in a row. you know, you asked are people confused, donald trump is attempting to perpetuate one of the greatest frauds in the history of modern elections. which is, he has tried to convince people that he's some sort of outsider. donald is the essence of the washington insider, he has been immeshed in the corruption in washington, john, one of the things that illustrated that powerfully this week was when john boehner went out of his way to attack, called me the delve i will. then he praised two people, praised hillary clinton and he praise donald trump. he said, donald was his friend, was his golfing and teching buddy. if you think john boehner is the kind of leader you want in the republican party then donald trump is your candidate. if you think nancy pilule see and harry reid is what you want, donald trump is condoleezza rice date he contributed heavily to john boehner, nancy pilule see, hillary clinton. and in fact i thought boehner's comments i wonder understand boehner was auditioning to be
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donald trump's vice president. a trump-boehner ticket would say the washington cartel in all its force, one has been funding the cartel the other has been giving it to democrats for years which is why boehner lost his speakership. we need someone fighting for the people not for washington. >> dickerson: but your theory relies you going to open convention and overthrowing the delegates -- the lead that donald trump has. in order for that to happen you can't do that without the help of the washington establishment that you've just been talking about. >> john, here is where we are. nobody is going to get 1237 before cleveland, i'm not going to get there, neater is donald trump. we're going to go to contested convention. when we arrive in cleveland i'm going to have a bunch of delegates, donald will have delegates. it's go to be a battle to see who can earn the support of a majority of the delegates elected by the people. >> dickerson: let me ask you this, no question that you as establishment's preferred
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candidate in that open convention competition you don't deny that, do you? >> of course there's a question. john boehner the essence of the washington -- >> dickerson: he's not the only -- >> lucifer in the flesh and he said, donald trump is teching and golfing buddy. the washington cartel, the lobbyist, donald trump campaign run by washington lobbyists, his campaign manager is 40-year washington lobbyist, his campaign manager went told heads of the rnc that donald is just playing a role that he doesn't believe any of this, just saying what he thinks voters want to hear he'll be someone totally different. you known me, i'm the same person yesterday, today, tomorrow, as president i'm going to do the exact same things i've promised to do. we're going to repeal obamacare, pass a flat tax, lift budness on small businesses, bring back jobs and economic growth, bring manufacturing jobs back to this country. donald changes as the wind blows because the only thing donald is
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interested in is donald. whatever makes him rich. and we have seen the bipartisan corruption of hillary clinton and donald trump and john boehner who sell out their principles. i think the american people want principled leaders who actually have a corset of beliefs. >> dickerson: but if in cleveland you're scenario, person who has millions more votes, donald trump will with millions more human being votes, real people, regular people, you are hoping to overthrow that with more delegates. in a situation where delegates over people, won't that lady to riots? >> no, it won't, donald may do everything he can to encourage riots. overthrow is such a loaded spin word as bring something but chuckles. i can tell you the last contested convention we had, 1976, rain alleged reagan had million more votes than gerald ford. but gerald ford got the votes of the majority of the delegates. if you look back to the very
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first republican convention, in 1860 our very first candidate for president, abraham lincoln, came in to a contested convention, he was second in the balloting, on the third ballot he won a majority. the test is to win a majority. and donald cannot win a majority. majorities matter. it's why donald wants to change the rules and rig the system. i'll use football analogy. if you're on the 0 yard line, it's not a touchdown. donald right now is on the 30 yard line he wants everyone to say, hey, the game is over because i'm past the 50. so what. he cannot earn a majority. and what we've got to do -- actually this week illustrated something powerful, john. if you contrast the people who were standing with me, carly fiorina and others, on the other side, donald trump was proudly trumpeting the support of mike tyson a convicted rapist who served three years in prison here in indiana for rape. and donald trump said, tyson is
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a tough guy. you know what, john, i don't think rapists are tough guys, i think rapists are weak, they're bullies and cowards. donald may be really proud of his sort from a convicted rapist, i'm proud of the support of carly fiorina and the governor and republicans across the country are coming together saying, we don't need a bully, we don't need someone who yells and screams and insults. we understand someone who understands how to bring jobs back to this country, how to defend the constitution and keep america safe from our enemies, especially radical islamic terrorists. >> dickerson: senator cruz we'll leave it there. thanks so much. >> thank you, john. dickerson: turning to the democratic race, hillary clinton is moving closer to securing the nomination. the man still hoping to stop her senator bernie sanders is here with us. welcome, senator. right now what is the goal of the sanders campaign? >> to win the democratic
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nomination and the general election. right now we have about 45% pledged delegates. there are ten states and some other contests coming up. we think we're strong in many of those states including california our largest state. we think we have a chance to win the majority. it's uphill fight, i admit. we need to win 56%. states coming up are favorable. number two, we think we can make the case of superdelegates. there are many rather incredibly supporting secretary clinton in states that we have won 06-70% of the vote. we think we have the right to make the case for those super dallas gats, go with the majority of your state. the superdelegates in general, where she is beating us 10-1 because she's the establishment candidate. our argument is, take a look at which candidate is better suited to beat donald trump.
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every poll that i have seen, national and statewide says that bernie sanders is the stronger candidate because we appeal not only to the overwhelming majority of democrats we appeal to independents as well. the message that we are bringing forth that it is too late for establishment politics and economics, that we have to stand up and take on the top 1% who are now getting almost all of new income and wealth. that is resonating in indiana where i think we have shot to win and around this country. >> dickerson: just to make sure nobody has any misunderstanding because there's been lot of back and forthth week. you are fighting as hard to beat hillary clinton for the nomination. >> absolutely. dickerson: to get there many analysts who look at the pledge delegates just say, it's mathematically impossible. are they wrong? >> it's difficult. not impossible. we will need 65% of the remaining ten contests plus dc,
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plus puerto rico, et cetera. 56% is a pretty heavy climb. these are states by the way that i think we're going to do very well in california. california happens to be perhaps most progressive state in the country. they have the most delegates. it's a tough fight. but the other point that we will make again is that if the democrats want to defeat hillary clintonf they want the campaign that has the excitement, the energy, are large voter turn out our campaign is that campaign. >> dickerson: your campaign relies it seems to me very heavily on the idea of winning by super delegates. in talking to supporters over time they said superdelegates were unfair, it was anti-democratic, now the sanders victory relies on super -- >> that's not the point at all. what is unfair, i win state by 70% of the vote, superdelegates in that state vote for hillary clinton because part of the democratic establishment that's
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unfair. what sun fair before i even get in to the campaign hillary clinton has some 4-500 superdelegates who are on her side. that is unfair. but it is not unfair to say to these superdelegates, look, do you want to defeat trump, capture the white house, not give it offer to some right wing republican, take look which candidate is better suited according to virtually every national and statewide poll to defeat donald trump. >> dickerson: what if a superdelegate goes to you but hillary clinton won their state presumably they should stay with -- >> not a rigid rule. if you hillary clinton wins with 53% of the vote, won illinois by a point. whether it's clinton or myself, she doll meshed us in mississippi. i think this is a delegates should support her in mississippi. but states like colorado and in many other states, utah, et cetera, we win overwhelming
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majority of the vote those superdelegates should go with their faith. what this is really about, john, is that the american people from one end of this country to the other are asking fundamental questions. about why we are the only major country on earth not to provide paid family and medical leave, not to provide healthcare to all through our medicare pair program. why we have so much income and wealth, the american people really do want change. and people who want change are going to come out to vote a large voter turn out means democrats win. >> dickerson: what is your response to your colleagues who supported you but said that if there's no viable path for you that you should unify the party needs to be unified. >> of course the party needs to be unified, it will be unified after the convention in july. this is what i believe. i believe that it is good for american democracy when we have a vigorous debate on the issues. and i believe it is good for the
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democratic party within we have vigorous debate on the issues. i have tried throughout this campaign to run an issue-oriented campaign. you know what? sometimes it's hard with the media because you guys are more interested in political gossip than real issues facing the american people. but that's what i have tried to do. not make personal attacks against merry christmas. and i think we're going to continue that debate as to which candidate is representing working people. which candidate will demands that the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share of taxes that we make public colleges and universities tuition free, that we address this global crisis of climate change, i believe, that we have to impose a tax on carbon. secretary clinton does -- we have lot of differences of opinion. the american people should hear that. >> dickerson: you reached the one-year milestone of your campaign what is that mean to you? >> means we have come in extraordinary distance in one year. when we started, we were considered to be a fringe candidate.
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we have now won over nine million votes, won 16 states. we have won in almost every contest a majority of people 45 years of age or younger, which means that our ideas are the future of the democratic party. that young people are now getting involved in a way that no one thought possible. i think what is going on now people are looking apt the status quo, john, they're looking at the establishment. and they're saying, as a nation, we can do much better. we need real change. >> dickerson: all right, senator sanders, thank for being with us. >> my pleasure. dickerson: we'll be back in one minute. trees? eese. xerox helps hospitals use electronic health records so doctors provide more personalized care. cheese? cheese! patient care can work better. with xerox. that's it. how was your commute? good. yours? good. xerox real time analytics make transit systems run more smoothly... and morning chitchat... less interesting. transportation can work better.
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with xerox. >> dickerson: we're back with republican senator lindsey graham, former presidential candidate turned ted cruz supporter. he's in clemson, south carolina. senator, sorry, got your history there a little mangled. tell us what is the situation with the stop trump movement? >> well, i think indiana is a big test of it. i'm advising ted, go to the last vote.
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trump's gotten 40% of the popular vote, that doesn't give you 1237 delegates, i think you can still stop even if you lose in indiana my view to ted, stop fighting. there's been a lot of talk about lucifer. i think lucifer may be the only person trump could beat in a general election. when it comes women and hispanics, trump polls like lucifer. this is a contest between conservatism and trumpism and trumpism will get preened at the ballot box. so this is why i'm so mind ted. >> dickerson: you mentioned lucifer that was comment made by former house speaker john boehner, former colleague of yours. >> he's a friend. dickerson: he's a friend. you're trying to survive as candidate that's not a great thing to have said about you. >> no. but there's a simple word going on in the republican party. john and i are very close friends but he's embracing donald trump and i am not.
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why, because i believe donald trump's foreign policy isolationism will lead to another 9/11. trump doesn't understand the obama-clinton mistakes. they didn't intervene in iraq, they withdrew from iraq. obama didn't intervene in syria, he failed that against sound military advice when it would have mattered in syria. people rose up against gadhafi. not to follow through and trump never mentioned afghanistan so his foreign policy to me to just isolationism, we're either going to fight radical islam over there in their back yard or in our back yard. but trump is the most unelectable candidate we could put up against hillary clinton. women and hispanics hate his guts for good reason. >> dickerson: let's unpack some of that. let's talk about senator bob corker your colleague in the senate. chairman of the foreign relations committee who said that the speech you just credit advertise r sized there was a good speech challenged conventional wisdom in the foreign policy world he seemed
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to think it was okay. he's no dummy. >> no, he's no dummy but i 'disagree with bob. obama did not intervene in iraq. we had iraq in a good place, withdrew all of our forces against sound military advice. he didn't intervene in syria. his entire national security team advised to help when assad was on the ropes. that's how isil came about. because of poor foreign policy choices by president obama. leading from behind is not working. i was hoping to hear from donald trump an alternative to leading from behind and i did not hear that alternative. and donald trump's world south korea, japan and germany are free riders. in my world they're valuable allies. we really do have a very different view of how to defend america and i think hillary clinton is incredibly flawed candidate but she will mop the floor with donald trump because with women and hispanics, they
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hate donald trump because he's so harsh and he's so cruel in his policies toward illegal immigration and so insulting toward women in general. the republican party, if we embrace donald trump you are rejecting conservatism for trumpism which is a cult of a strong man that absolutely is no where near conservatism. >> dickerson: so, nevertheless, two of your friends said things already only gotten two people who were supporting him also isn't for john cornina feeling in the party among people i talk to, plenty of reporting out there that the energy of the party is no longer with the stop trump movement but it is with republicans getting in behind donald trump and his candidacy. >> i don't see it that way. i'll tell you this trump fails on first balance lieutenant most of the south carolina delegates will vote for ted cruz. if i'm a delegate i'll be one of them. let me just tell my friends who i really do respect. if you embracing donald trump
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you're destroying conservatism. you will make it hard for this party to ever regain footing with hispanics because his immigration proposal is unworkable, is hateful, when it comes to women we're alienating women who should be coming our way after eight years of obama. so to my friends, if you think donald trump is the answer to the republican's problems with women and hispanics i disagree. if you think foreign policy is sound, you are obviously not listening to the same man i'm listening to. there's a civil war going on in the republican party i hope and pray that ted cruz who is a rable can carry the banner. >> dickerson: what is your advice to your republican colleagues who are in states, senators up for reelection if donald trump is the nominee what should they do? >> be your own person. reject donald trump's approach to solving immigration. establish your own persona and own relationship with american women voters.
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embrace conservatism, reject trumpism. do not buy the siren song of isolationism. donald trump said he rejects the sigh rep song of globalization, let me tell you, globalization is here to stay. this is a religious war. they're compelled by their faith isil to attack us if you withdrawal from the world they're coming here. i choose to fight in their back yard. i choose to fight them with partners, don't say that we should ban all muslims to come to america. because it would be hard to get muslims to fight with you in the mid east where isil exists. don't declare war on the religion declare war on radical islam. to my republican colleagues, distance yourself as much as you can from donald trump because he's toxic for conservatism. >> dickerson: all right. senator lindsey graham with very cloudy hard to understand message there. >> more to follow. dickerson: thanks for being with us this morning. we'll be back in a moment.
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>> dickerson: welcome back to fakes the nation. joining us is donald trump's convention manager paul manafort. he called himself the presumptive nominee. what plans are you make for the general election? >> right now we're starting to focus on unifying the party, beginning to talk to party leaders about the things that are necessary going into cleveland. first thing we have to do have successful convention. we've got to plan starting after tuesday, the indiana primary, when we believe everybody in the country will recognize that donald trump will be the nominee of the party and that that nomination will be clear by certainly california and as a result, the whole strategy of ted cruz, of a second ballot will be rendered not true. >> dickerson: in terms of funding a general election, mr. trump has talked how he's self funded will he be able to
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main in that that? >> he's been a candidate running for the nomination. once he is the nominee of the republican party he has further responsibilities besides his own candidacy where he is the head of the ticket, where he is committed to making sure that nancy pelosi is never speaker of the house again that harry reid and chuck schumer remain in the minority. he's going to work with leaders of the republican party and various committees help raise money for them as part of the overall ticket. >> dickerson: in terms of that and funding overall ticket, will he have any retricks on the kind of money that come in. he talks abut people who write checks and what they expect in return. >> we haven't dealt with that. if he is going to be getting money from donors of general election candidate, there are limitations. we haven't dealt with that. >> dickerson: would he had any extra limitations not the amount but who they come from and that kind of thing? >> we have not gotten into the point of what kind of money we're going to be raising.
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what he indicated he would help the republican party, help the congressional commit these and necessary for them to make sure that pelosi and reed do not ever come back to the majority in the congress. >> dickerson: he has talked about potential running mate being somebody who can help him with governing, what does that mean? >> i think he views himself as the ultimate outside candidate and his connection with the american people has been that he's not one of the people who have messed up the system. the gridlock that exists in washington is not what he -- what he has parted in creating. within you look at things he's done in outsider in knock where he busted through red tape he's saying that on issues that are important to his presidency, he will not be restricted by limitations of washington. yet he also recognizes that implement that vision, he will need the help of other people. >> dickerson: let me ask you to respond to ted cruz who said that his campaign is the essence of washington insiderness, he talked about you, a lobbyist being in the campaign, how is
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donald trump an outsider candidate, ted cruz would say when he's got lobbyist. >> i haven't lobbied in 20 years in washington. i'm a businessman now, haven't been back to the washington scene for many years. donald trump is going to be the president of the united states, his vision that is going to be the -- what's going to be implemented. ted cruz, besides being very unpopular is one running the convention campaign. he's trying to create alliances like would you see in washington with other candidates running for office then repute yates his own alliances. >> dickerson: is lobbyist a bad word? >> what is more important cruz that he defines himself not his defined by other things or people. i don't know whether it's bad word or good word but donald trump's word is he's the outside are, ted cruz is part of the mess in washington and ted cruz is one who has no friends in washington won't be able to do anything. >> dickerson: one thing about the trump cap pain he's gone
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repeatedly saying they're destroying the country, captives of lobbyists it seems like central to his campaign that lobbyist are destroying this country. >> i think beyond lobbyists, talking about special interests not just manyists he calls the rigged banking system, the rigged economy. it's much broader. it's culture of washington where the gridlock exists regardless of what is in the interest of the people. as carly fiorina said within she was running against ted cruz, he'll say mig to get elected. and you can't rely on what he says. this is just another attack of his similar to that. >> dickerson: do you think lobbyists will be out of business? >> will be people who oppose the interests of the people. >> dickerson: would that be -- could be. again, i'm not going to get in to discussing that. i've not been a part that have scene for 20 years. donald trump is campaigning on something that's important to
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him as far as breaking through the gridlock of washington. eats going to bring people in who have not been a part of the problem that's what he said. >> dickerson: what do you think about his comments about hillary clinton, she's only because she's a woman, that makes a lots of republicans nervous. >> the point he was trying to make, among others, is that she's a failed secretary of state. she's a part of the obama administration. right now we haven't seen any ground swell for a third term for obama. and that's what clinton presidency would be. the point he was making is, that's the way she needs to be viewed. she needs to be viewed as part of the mess that exists in washington. and part -- continuation of the crisis if she were ever to be elected. >> dickerson: all right. excellent, thank you, paul manafort, thank for being with us. we'll be right back.
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program, my goodness, demographically, trump did fine. he carried greenwich, connecticut, holy mackerel something big is happening in the party. i do think under girding the race so big in many ways that essential thing is that donald trump, the rising republican, the, in my view, likely nominee, is someone who stands for things so at odds with the long time policies now in the mast 15, 20 years of the republican power people in washington, the establishment, et cetera. on key issues like entitlement cutting, immigration, trade policies, his vague sense, i think everybody's vague establishes somehow these 10,000 page bills which nobody reads aren't necessarily working in americans' favor. also key. his nonassertive perhaps stance
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with the world. all of this is at odds with the standing of those who have been running the republican party for along time. it's going to be very hard for them to mesh. i don't how that works. >> dickerson: we saw some excessive, senator bob corker, republicans did seem to be following in line even with peggy said is true. >> that's right. it seems -- honestly seems that many washington republicans dislike ted cruz so much. >> they do. >> that they're willing to say, you know, we'll go with trump. rather that have trump than cruz. there might somebody strategic thinking behind that as well. ted cruz in a way represents entirely separate kind of republican establishment coming from a very, very conservative world rooted in the west, not so much in the northeast. and if you were the nominee, if he were the president you wouldn't just be someone from the republican party proper, he would be poaching people from outside of his corner the
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republican party from sort of like key places in washington. so, you lose with trump. you can still maintain your sphere of influence and build. you have cruz, you lose with cruise, cruz represents entirely new power center that jeopardizes you. >> dickerson: molly, what do you make of where cruz is? >> i think it's funny you say that. i heard republicans make the opposite argument that they feel that if they do lose either wayf cruz is the nominee, maybe it will sort of break the fever of the conservative grass roots. that it will be goldwater all over again, maybe this time they will get the point all of these republicans in the base who believe that mitt romney lost because he was a squish. john mccain also because he wasn't conservative enough. but this republican faction doesn't see anything constructive coming from a trump nomination because he is such an aberration as peggy was saying.
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he doesn't represent a strain of republican thought. he's insurgent in this republican civil war that is already going on that lindsey graham was talking about. that was a civil war between the john boehner faction and ted cruz faction there's this other faction, i think peggy is right, the first time we've seen a wind at trump's back. actually gather some momentum because previously he would win and wouldn't move the needle. >> dickerson: jeffrey, donald trump also looked more like traditional candidate this week giving a speech with telepromters, what did you make of that speech both in substance but also just the fact that he was giving one? >> one of the most notable aspects that bob corker came o out, senator, member of the foreign -- >> dickerson: chairman of the foreign relations. >> and praised his criticism, trump's criticism of the foreign policy establish the. he is the foreign policy establishment that was
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interesting. the speech was fascinating, in to what is going to happen over the next six months which is that he attacked obama from the right but attacked hillary from the left. and hillary has been planning all along to deal with a rubio style candidate. now all of a sudden you have donald trump accusing her of being a war monger for her vote on iraq and libya with is major subject. so, this is a completely unique circumstance which the republicans will be attacking the democrat from the left. on foreign policy and national security. >> maybe more than foreign policy. i mean i think he could get to her left on entitlement thinking and stuff like that. this is a jumble. this is a categorical jumble that he is creating, we always think within we say grass roots republican we're thinking of ted cruz conservative as somebody noted. this year, we're talking grass
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roots republicans, we're talking trump voters, not going for ted cruz. the whole surprising thing almost as if it's not the base versus the establishment which i think you've voted which is what we're used to. but the base surprising the establish changing part of its nature. >> for as much as trump may scramble categories in the fall i tend to think we're not going to get to that point in the conversation if trump is continuously going after hillary clinton for being a woman and going after various demographic groups. this is the thing that constantly strikes me about the trump cap pain, 55% of american voters are women. even if most of those are not going to pull over for hillary clinton, if you are attacking a candidate on the basis haver gender i think are losing out right. i think what's funny about this election, will be in the fall trump is the nominee that there are ways to scramble categories.
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but underwriting reality of it all, really unpopular. that is going to be thing that dominates the conversation. >> what do you make of hillary clinton as 'transshe was happy to turn into this general election, issue the card, accusing her of playing the woman card this little gimmick. this seems like a fight she's very happy to have. >> absolutely. the clinton campaign really believes this is winner for them. identity politics in general, whether it's women who feel that trump is insulted them, minorities feel that trump has insulted them. hispanics certainly. so, saw that with the protests at the trump events in california. there is a very large faction of people in this country that he has not had to speak to in the course of republican primary campaign. and those people all get to vote in november. so, you know, for hillary who really had trouble with enthusiasm for her historic
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candidacy as potential first woman president. that has not gotten her anywhere in the democratic -- democratic primary. in the general election she's betting that trump will mobilize all those people. >> dickerson: lindsey graham tried to make that general election sound and warning, top trump movement is dribbling out on to the ground, there's not much to it. >> there is not much. there's a kind of fatalism that this is the nominee. just add one thing to what molly was saying. i think hillary will be lucky if trump keeps -- jamelle's point that trump keeps making this about women. hillary will have harder time if trump actually disciplines himself and talks about libya and iraq and the state department. and all of these issues where he can actually gain some traction at least with anti-hillary clinton sentiment and part that have republican base. i don't know if he has discipline to stay on that
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message and avoid these hot button usual use. >> the question is, whether the misogyny is fasting or cake or the actually -- >> it's interesting when you brought up the woman thing he diverted, he went to the establishment he knows better than to play with that fire. but the question is, as you're saying, can trump be diversionary in that way. >> it's a mistake for the trump forces to underestimate the still powerful, still there, even if it's a cliche, draw that many women will feel towards seeing a woman candidate they can be supportive of. don't forget that. there are a lot of women who think this really is a break through and i want to be part of it. i don't think that -- >> do you think 25-year-old women will still -- haven't been excited about her so far once
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bernie sanders leaves the scene -- >> i would gather they're punishing her because she's not quite been good enough and bernie is a better candidate, they like him better but their experience -- they sense they're punishing her. playing around with bernie but they will back to bernie in the general. i was told that by young woman who is a supporter. >> dickerson: before we switch over to the democratic race i want to get your thoughts. ted cruz is still fighting hard trying to do well in indiana. and carly fiorina, what is -- the end of the week what do you think of the naming of the vice president before you get the nomination? >> i think about this one, i'm thinking doesn't gather cruz -- it reeks of desperation, someone who clearly losing then he does this gamble involving another candidate who didn't catch fire in the first place. part of me thinks that this
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might be attempt by cruz looking past the primary but to position himself in the fall like standard bearer of conservatism. but he is the conservative candidate whether he runs third party race, i don't know. but in sort of conservative mind say, i was your other choice, i'm the conservative candidate and you can lead republican party but i am still here. >> dickerson: let's switch to the democrats. bernie sanders said he's running as hard as he ever has to defeat hillary clinton. what is really going on? >> he says that he is. so i believe him. it was remarkably defiant bernie sanders who we just heard that surprised me a little bit. because this week after the loss that he suffered, in the primaries, he issued the statement saying, that his primary goal was to get his issues on the agenda at the democratic convention, have as many delegates to influence the
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platform. that seemed like an admission of defeat. seemed like he was saying, i know i can't be the nominee but i want to affect what our party stands for going forward. that would be completely reasonable thing to want. a lot of his supporters are realizing that it is almost mathematically impossible to get the nomination under the rules that govern the process. so, it is interesting to me that now he is continuing to insist that he just needs these superdelegates to switch, another irony for someone who claims to want process to be more democratic. but so it will be interesting to see how he proceeds. it will be interesting to see if he dials down some of the personal attacks that we started to hear between him and hillary clinton. because i think that would be another sign of sort of acquiescence. >> dickerson: jeffrey, hillary clinton is pivoting to the general votes responding to the women question with donald trump. but also she had -- talked about the fact that he lives in these towers with his name on them, doesn't come down into the real
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world. what do you think about that argument in her movement? >> there are other candidates that can make arguments about the real world other than hillary clinton. there's something to that. i been thinking how much bernie sanders will have an influence over the course, as he talked to you a minute ago, the course of the democratic party. there will be bernie sanders night at the national convention. i'd be surprised if she pivots to the left, to the degree that i think some people hope she will. that would be very surprising. i think she's right now focused entirely, i've talked to people in the campaign, on developing lines of attack in the trump, using his unpopularity and using that ivory tower kind of approach to start redefining who he is. not man of the people. but man who lives in the tower. >> dickerson: 20 seconds left. if you were hillary clinton trying to figure out what to give bernie sanders what would you give him to help him come in and unify? >> i would give him different
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understand you look like 37,000 donations of $27 each. [ laughter ] hillary trying to appeal to young voters is a little bit like your relative who just signed up foreface bike. dear america, did you get my poke? was it appearing on your wall? i'm not sure i'm using this right. love, aunt hillary. meanwhile, on the republican side things are a little more, how should we say this, a little more loose. g.o.p. chairman, reince priebus is here as well. congratulations on all your success, the republican party, nomination process, it's all going great. keep it up.
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is this dinner too tacky for the donald. what could he possibly be doing instead? is he at home eating a trump stake, tweeting out insults to andrea merkel. one area where donald experience could be invaluable that's closing the guantanamo. because trump knows a thing or two about running waterfront parties into the ground. with this i just ask two more words to say. obama out. [ cheering and applause ] >> dickerson: we'll be right back.
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>> dickerson: there's breaking news this morning from the white house. that malea obama will be attending harvard university. take a year off begin in the fall of 2017. that's it for us today. thanks for watching, until next
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