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>> dickerson: today on "face the nation," donald trump goes over the top with delegates needed for the republican nomination. but the democratic race continues with ten days to go for california primary win depo is closing for bernie sanders. >> we are the campaign that will defeat mr. trump. >> dickerson: how is he going to stop hillary clinton? we'll stalk to bernie sanders and ron johnson on troubles with the tsa and colorado governor john hickenlooper. president obama visits hiroshima. >> they are not sure how seriously to take some of his pronouncements. but they are rattled by it. and for good reason. >> dickerson: a round up of this
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year's most memorable commencement addresses it's all coming up on "face the nation." good morning, welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. joining us now to talk about campaign 2016 is senator bernie sanders he's on the campaign trail in santa barra. senator, i wanted to ask you, looks like debate is not going to happen do you think he was ever serious about that debate? >> donald trump said he wanted to go forward he changed his mind, no, then changed his mind said, no, maybe get call he'll say yes again. this is what donald trump is. i think the american people should be very concerned about somebody who keeps changing his mind, not only on this debate but on virtually every issue he's been asked about. >> dickerson: he said, quote, the democratic nominating pros is totally rigged he went on to say that hillary clinton will not allow bernie sanders to win.
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do you agree with his characterization? >> i have been very touched by donald trump's love for me. but, john, all due respect i think that maybe some aspect of this, which he thinks will advantage himself. i do appreciate his love and his compassion for me but i don't really accept his words. look, we knee when we were in this that we were taking on the democratic establishment. we have won 0 states, here in california right now. i think we have uphill fight but just possibility that we may end up at the end of this nominating process with more pledge delegates. what has upset me, what i think is, i wouldn't use the word rigged we knew what the words were, what is really dumb is that you have closed primaries like in new york state with
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three million people, democrats or republicans could not participate. when you have situation where over 400 superdelegates came on board, before anybody else was in the race, eight months before the first vote was cast. that's not rigged i think it's just a dumb process which has certainly disadvantaged our campaign. >> dickerson: you're going to try to convince those superdelegates to go with you instead of hillary clinton. you made distinction between superdelegates from states you've one that you think should go for you. will you not try to convince any superdelegate who comes from a state that you did not win? >> this is what i think. if i win or hillary clinton, if that is your point, hillary clinton won mississippi by huge vote. should i convince superdelegates to vote for me when she won that state overwhelmingly. like watch watch, alaska,
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hawaii, landslide vic tore trees. i do believe that the superdelegates whether it's clinton's or mine, states that we won, superdelegates in states where candidate wins landslide should listen to the people in those states and vote for the candidate chosen by the people. >> dickerson: you make your pitch, i want to ask you about the developments on hillary clinton e-mails because you've said that you are sick of hearing about them, now inspector general's report new developments have now come out i wonder if you still have the same feeling about those e-mails now that official body weighed in about her e-mails and her behavior. >> we plaid ha rally with 6,000 people half hour ago the issues that i have been talking about are the issues that really are the issues basing the american people. why the middle class is declining. why kids are leaving school $50,000 in debt.
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to expand social security, set a. those are the issues, frankly what i think is that people in the democratic process want real debate about the real issues. you're right, inspector general just came out with a report, it was not a good report. the but something that the american people, democrats and delegates are going to have that take a hard look at. for me i continue to focus on how we can rebuild an disappearing middle class, deal with poverty, guarantee healthcare to all of our people. >> dickerson: that's why i wanted to ask you, to get to the issues and covered the way you like you have to be named president. i wonder if you in your pitch you're making to the superdelegates would say, this inspector general's report is sufficiently damaging that it might hurt hillary clinton in a general election. might give donald trump something to use against her and therefore, as the super delegates are making up their mind about who they want to carry forward on the issues, whether you think that is
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something they should be keeping in mind. >> they will be keeping it in mind. i don't have to tell them that. everybody in america is keeping it and superdelegates. are. point that i'm going to make, many came on board long before i was in the race came up with clinton's campaign is your job to make sure that donald trump is defeated and defeated badly. you have got to determine based on 100 different factors, which candidate is the strongest candidate. if you look at every poll done in the last six weeks that candidate is bernie sanders. we defeat trump always and by large numbers in states and in national polls and almost always we do lot better than secretary clinton does. second of all we have the grass roots ago take" is. we have the energy and chews yam. that clinton's does not have. that can generate a large voter turn out in november.
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democrats win when the voter turn out is high we can genera generate. that republicans -- i don't know that secretary's clinton's can create. >> superdelegates this if they look at you as general election canned kate how would you compete, you've got had association with any super pac in the general election would you keep disconnected how would you compete against the billions of dollars on the other side. >> you're right. republicans and koch all these billion areas will pour money. we have done well in terms of fund raise, by appealing to the middle class and working class of this country. almost eight million, $27 on average. that is what i will do in the general election. i think instead of having two million contributors that number will go up. i would -- we'll win this
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campaign when you have eight, ten million people contributing $25-30 who are involved in the process who are prepared to take on the big super pacs and billionaires. >> dickerson: just quickly to button this up, that means no super pac for you in the general election? >> we will continue been we are doing. depend on the middle class and incredible number of small individual campaign contributions e buicks how we'll fund it and how we will win the national election. >> dickerson: senator bernie sanders thanks for being with us. >> thong you, john. dickerson: that interview took place saturday now turn to the ron johnson. he is in green bay, wisconsin, senator, i want to get to the tsa in a moment. but first also on certain at foreign relations committee. donald trump has rattled some officials overseas you talked to a foreign officials what
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response have you gotten in terms of drums? >> well, good morning, first of all, what you realize about donald trump he's serious about rebuilding our military, defeating isis, securing or borders, i'm not quite sure where it rattles. we can defend this nation and homeland, talking to bernie sanders about hillary clinton's e-mail e-mail. how reckless and dangerous her e-mail server was. i have done a lot of new york eighting, i don't think of more helpful knowing e-mail between that's what hillary clinton put at risk. did by dark dash you have to assume that our enemies and adversaries had access to every e-mail, did it affect their actions as result related to, for example, vladimir putin's invasion or eastern ukraine?
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what about the negotiations with iran. assad? we're not really discussing the reckless of of hillary clinton's actions, that would give me far gritter concern. >> dickerson:let me ask you your colleague on house side, committee over there said that donald trump suggestions of muslim ban which he stalked about a lot was something that would be danger because it would radical lies b by making feel apart outside of american stoat east what do you think about that idea idea some. >> i don't agree with the ban. i am concerned about this administration not vetting the refugees. our boarder is completely unsecure. so if i -- worries i have of isis operatives coming into this country far more concerned about our unsecured border which donald trump is committed to
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doing. and admission hasn't been. we've got to secure our border, solve the immigration problem. >> dickerson: do you think donald trump helps or hurts your campaign, you're in a tough fight there, what do you think his affect will be? >> i'm just manufacturer from oshkosh, wisconsin. i'm a u.s. senator. i can't predict that. the political pundits have been wrong. i think what people are so upset about is wash ash has not been working. donald trump is political equivalent of disruptive technology. but i know he would represent change, certainly what i'm trying to do in washington, d.c. trying to shake up the system. americans are justifiably angry that the federal government has not been working. it's because government some controlling so many things people are forced to play the game and might as well rig it. from my standpoint, the government is doing so many
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things that never was intended to do. the health care system, holding hearing about problems have been known since 2004, the bureaucrats, the offers of inspector general did nothing. i'm hoping our fellow americans take look what bernie sanders is trying to sell, socialism. what should be the island paradise look at the misery in north korea. big government doesn't work, free market cap physicalism combined with individual liberty does work. >> dickerson: what is your take on the tsa you mentioned the v.a., the tsa has had its own problem. what is going on there and can it be fixed? >> well, it's log bureaucracy. the task how you figure out how to keep it safe. it lamb i can terrorists.
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ist cost america $100 billion. i would go with the root cause. we do need to do be smarter how we do airport security. we need to beef up the number of canine units we use. no technology can be beat the benefits of the nose of a dog. the things we can do, i think tsa is appropriate ly redeploying assets to address the airports. we'll have admiral on june 7 take look what he's done in his first months in terms of analyzing what is wrong with tsa. >> dickerson: senator ron johnson thanks so much for being with us. >> have a great american and memorial day. >> dickerson: we'll be back in a moment.
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cbs foreign affairs reporter margaret brennan filed this report. >> a poignant moment, an american president embracing first of the atom bomb used in war while standing 10 1/2 00 feet from the in set of the blast. 71 years after at attack president obama decided it was time for a commander in economy so confront history. >> mere words cannot give voice to such suffering. but we have a shared responsibility to look directly into the eye of history. and ask what we must do differently to curb such suffering again. >> white house officials were insistent that this was no apology tour. but the president did reflect on the hundreds of thousands of souls lost as a result of president truman's decision, a
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necessary evil to avoid. but the images of destruction endure. it was here in hiroshima that death fell from the sky subjecting in a nuclear arms race. while he as brokered significant arms controls deal, i hasn't made much of a dent in the nuclear stockpile reducing less than any post cold war president. today, a hi-tech bustling hiroshima has arisen. as that city has moved on so has japan's leader. offered his own condolences. for president obama, visiting hiroshima was attempt to bridge a painful divide. it isn't the first time he's made point to break the taboo having reopened ties with cuba,
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and negotiated a nuclear deal. but when it comes to bearing the remnants of war there is no where he could have made his case more power ofly than here. this visit was a call to action for that next generation to complete the work he will not finish. and make sure a nuclear weapon is never used again. >> dickerson: margaret brennan reporting. for more on the trip we are joined by atlantic jeffrey goldberg. let's start with the conversation with the notion of being rattled, the president to talk about nominee of another party in america, what did you make that have comment? >> it is is interesting. not since eisenhower talked about wendy. a small irony, the president rattled america's allies in ways that we haven't seen by talking
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about free riders, people who take our money but don't do anything for us. on the other hand on continuum of rattling, foreign leaders understand even though they are sometimes distressed he action septs and understands the internation natural railroaded. when i talk to people with from south korea, japan, britain, france, other allies, they question whether donald trump even understands that post war international order that has brought 71 years of stability and ab sense sense of world wars to the planet. >> dickerson: what is the practical reality of being rattled? if countries are rattled, just be nervous have another drink? >> what do they do? we see that in the middle east. to the extent that our allies are rattled by president obama's decision to somewhat withdraw from their affairs. we see them going to war in yemen, saudi arabia, going to
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war. that the u.s. doesn't find helpful. so what happens when countries don't feel that they're protected by the united states, the burden of being the super power. they go off in the directions that are dangerous to the united states. >> dickerson: donald trump says though it's good to be rattled. it's good that they're -- he talks about being unpredictable. >> one thing about being unpredictable to your minimize. you want your allies to know that you have your back that you understand the importance of alliance, haw have problems you deal with it behind closed doors but you don't let them think, don't go down the path of thinking that the united states is no longer there. they will find other allies, that could be russia, china, people we don't want our friends to be friends with. >> dickerson: when you talked about the kind of foreign policy
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consensus, what do you make of that, can somebody like kissinger, what you can learn stage craft. is that something kissinger can tutor him? >> you don't have any living secretary of state who thinks that donald trump is handling foreign affairs port control yes in responsible way. very hard to believe that henry kissinger, that fly by the seat of your pants that would sit well with henry kissinger who is a strategic thinking. what we have seen from donald trump is not strategic thinker. >> dickerson: now, if you'll stay with us we'll be back to take look at this year's commencement speeches.
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>> dickerson: this memorial day we bring you some of the wisdom and humor from this year's commencement speeches. >> start spreadin' the news ♪ -- wait for it. that was actually really well done. >> my dear terrified graduates, you are about to enter the most uncertain period of your lives. stories you are about to live are the ones you will be tellingier children and grandchildren and therapists. they are the internships before you find your fashion. the cities you live in before the opportunity of a lifetime pops up. they are the times you say no to the good opportunities so you can say yes to the best opportunities. they are the stories in which you figure out who you are. >> if you know who you are, you won't get caught up when times get tough. and the naysayers try to stop you.
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or, to put it differently, as one of the great philosophers of our time has said, haters going to hate, hate, hate. helps you shake it off. >> don't worry too much about the plan. make a difference. sometimes fulfillment lies in very unpredictable places. as you get older, you will realize that life, it actually does follow a plan. it just may not be your plan. >> as i've walked this journey with barack i've gotten a pretty good look at what it means to rise above the fray. what it means to set your eyes on the horizons to devote your life. that is the choice, barack and i have made, that's what has kept us sane over the years.
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we simply do not allow time for darkness. >> what am i going to. let me tell you something you can forget about tomorrow or next week, frankly think about next year. but what you can't think about right here, right now, is, who do you want to be? >> let's get something straight right off the bat i don't like john boehner. i love i am him. >> i've read some accounts how john and i are old school. we used to treat each other with respect. hang out with each other. john and i are old school. we're the american school. where were you have to restore, we're progress only comes when
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you deal with your opponent with respect, risking as well as talking. >> is it any wonder that i am optimistic? throughout our history a new generation of americans has reached and bent the arc of history in the more justice. class of 2016, it is your turn now. to shape our nation's destiny as well as your own so get to work. >> dickerson: we'll be right back. safety doesn't come in a box. it's not a banner that goes on a wall. it's not something you do now and then. or when it's convenient. at bp, it's training and retraining in state-of-the-art simulators you
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>> dickerson: some of our cbs station are leaving us now for most of you we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation." including our panel and colorado governor john hickenlooper, stay with us.
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>> dickerson: welcome back to fakes the nation. joining us in addition to jeffrey goldberg, ruth marcus a local umist now editorial page of the "washington post," congratulations, ruth. on your new role. mark leibovich is the chief national correspondent for the "new york times." peggy noon none for the "wall street journal." and ron brownstein senior editor at the lat continue particular. youth, we'll start with e-mails, very tough inspector general report for hillary clinton she went around the rules when her staffers were asked about already private server they were told do not ask. what did you make of her and her campaign's response to that report? >> less than helpful.
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let's move along it is less than devastating. but it is also less than helpful. it's both reminder to people of the doubts that already have about hillary clinton she's not trustworthy. she doesn't think that the rules apply to her and new information about the degree to which she never checked with anybody about what this was, if she had bothered to check she would have been told no. >> that's the most troubling in this report. the arrogance, not just specifics of the e-mails but leadership still style and what it says. jim bakker and george mitchell were winning the lifestyle achievement. the toughest thing was to find somebody who could tell a president they were wrong. and what was i thought most apparent in this report was that there was no one around her who was willing to tell her she was
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wrong, people tried to raise questions they were told to be -- those are ominous traits for a president. >> secretary bob gates said the same thing in an interview, we asked, didn't somebody tell you that this was wrong? no, because it was allowed. this report says it wasn't. >> it wasn't business as usual. it was not approved. and when two professionals in state went to hillary's people and did say, you know, we're concerned about this hacking. this isn't as it should be. there were literally told, don't come to us say. that is terrible for a future the president. one good thing, inspector generals or inspectors general in washington, d.c. consistently do good work. nobody got it near the bottom of the story, state ig did a good job. >> i'm sorry, go ahead. i would say that donald trump
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instead of -- this was a great week for donald trump to not say anything. taken by donald trump and what he said about the mexican judge in san diego the other day this is a lot of oxygen being devoted to issue that could have been spent talking about. >> dickerson: we'll get to donald trump and some of the exciting things that he did. jeffrey, the past and what this report says about the way hillary clinton behaved in the past. but i was talking to democrats who have her interests so much at heart they are on her team. and they pulling their hair out how badly this was handled. in response to this, that when this e-mail story first came out somebody from her campaign said, she had behaved in spirit and letter of the law that is both not true. this week in response, the people i talked to have been shocked how poorly it's been handled. >> yeah, the whole democratic establishment to borrow a term
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from bernie sanders feels like on a death march to the nomination. obviously because of bernie, lot of other thing, but this is just made them think to themselves that they don't have this enhand. they don't -- issue i was tal talking to someone said the issue is they don't understand how they're perceived. go back to this point, they don't understand how it's being interpreterred, nobody inside telling them, guys, she as a credibility problem, honesty problem, you have to grab this by the horns or this summer will be very long, to use your word devastating summer for her. there's still kind of dissonance between who the establishment is thinking. >> hillary clinton doesn't help herself when she argues when e-mails -- story first came out after this ig report this she's done -- a, done nothing different than any other secretary of state, dating back
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to tomorrow as jefferson. just not accurate, b, that she's been as even more coming than anybody else because she voluntarily gave over these things. that's not accurate or convincing. >> dickerson: and the inspector general. >> which leads me to my next point, this is a tremor compared to the -- that i don't is coming that could come in terms of the fbi, justice department investigation into not -- handling of the e-mails, but whether there was misuse of classified information. >> dickerson: let me ask you we talked a bernie sanders this is first time superdelegates will be thinking about it at all, assess for us, whether you any bernie sanders' approach, trying to convince superdelegates whether has a chance in making that case and using this new information and fbi in celeste gibbs ruth talked about. >> i think there is something of an illusion at this point in the
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democratic race. look toward the general election polling where shot clock in the arena, cross layers. weaknesses are out there for the public. sanders polling bet cher is the core of his argument i think, that is really untested proposition, i don't think -- i don't no one has spent money yet. in particular by their own count, by objective estimates, his agenda would increase general by $1.6 trillion. to the higher share of the gdp with taxes commensurate. after a billion dollars is spent on television ohio and florida and subject subjects of denver, his numbers might look different. not to say that he would be less competitive, although i think in the end he would be. less competitive than it appears. fact that the superdelegates are doing what they were designed to do. created precisely after the mock govern and carter experiences,
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because they wanted more of handle on producing a party to win. leadership in the democratic party don't think sanders passes that test. >> dickerson: what do you think, bernie sanders sticking around hurts hillary clinton how much? when donald trump is out there at republican nominee. >> well, i guess it hurts mrs. clinton's standing or the perception of her that she is hillary clinton this behemoth. and she can't put this guy away. that is a challenge to her. that tells everybody vulnerability, vulnerability. i think the big story that we're talking about here in the e-mail thing is very, very simple. americans don't really trust mrs. clinton to be forthcoming and truthful thoughts all in the polls. you know what i mean. when you look at the tape of mrs. clinton saying things about
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the e-mails that have been shown to not have been true. she has been -- i hate to say lied, in a practiced way, it doesn't look good. >> just add to that, in the hierarchy of worries i would put bernie sanders as lower down than -- >> so would i. >> i think ruth is right, slim chance that this becomes a huge legal problem but it's looming. >> it's already a huge political -- >> it's another thing. dickerson: bouncing off of peggy's point, the clinton people would say, wait a minute, this campaign not happening in a vacuum. the challenge here with the ig report is hillary clinton versus inspector general they would like it to be hillary clinton verse damn. he has high numbers in terms of honesty. >> it was not business as usual compared to past secretarys of
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state, but voters see this as business as usual in the clinton world. this street a classic clinton mo, the arc of revelations, assembling, spinning in a very professional way, not convincing anyway. on the other hand, i think, clinton people would say, i think with some justification that there's complete double standard and honesty between hillary clinton and donald trump. if you were look week to week what donald trump says and what hillary clinton doesn't say, part of this is the visibility he takes on. it's not even close, donald trump just volume of stuff that comes ointment of his mouth -- >> he would -- interview with senator sanders fact he has run incredible race. not in the book room. he's won three million more votes. all the primaries, of the 20
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biggest states she's won 14 of them. 1. 20 states have been the smallest. the exit polls, split white voters. he has run a great race. that is the reality that democrats are facing here at the finish line. >> dickerson: we'll talk about the republicans when we get back. stick with us more from our panel. sir, this alien life form is growing at an alarming rate. growing fast, you say? we can't contain it any long... oh! you know, that reminds me of how geico's been the fastest-growing auto insurer for over 10 years straight. over ten years? mhm, geico's the company your friends and neighbors trust. and deservedly so. indeed. geico. expect great savings
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>> dickerson: we're back with our panel. ruth, let's talk about the republicans a little bit. donald trump and paul rebound have still yet to have their final moment of unity. but republicans, we saw this senator johnson, he's now -- on board with the trump train they seem have come behind donald trump. the talk about disunity, polls and others seem to show they're on board. >> they're getting on board. we talked about this a few weeks ago when i was worried that i might be long. but before the ryan-trump meeting might be moment of anti-trumpism. everyone is getting on board this kind of mitt romney and merry band of rang wringing, i mean that in the best -- some work for me. one nebraska senator who remain
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hold outs and both significantly both voters, republican voters and republican elected officials and republican fundraisers are coming on board. >> i have something very quick to say. starts with the words, party platform which is the most boring thing that you can say on talk show i'm about to proof that. on the republican side donald trump saying essentially he doesn't care about his party platform. but his big issues are at odds with long term republican orthodox. on the democratic side it fascinates me, he has picked some people to write the platform who are left wing activists in a way that sun usual. i think that will be a trucker there, i wonder -- >> but the -- and part of the story of the -- >> $. dickerson: talking about unity. then donald trump talks about
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governor and critical of her, what do you make of that? >> one of the big buzz words is pivot. she's showing he's incapable or no desire to do that. more important pivot maybe in this moment is bernie sanders willingness to pivot into good soldierhood at certain point and actually bring a lot of the energy to this race as against donald trump the way others have t. >> donald trump and the pivot, donald trump has broken so many boundaries, but even by donald trump standards what did he in san diego, he went off on extended rant against the federal judge hearing against trump university. described as a mexican, that is a striking use of language i think is comparable to what he did when he did not denounce david duke sunday before super
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tuesday an cnn. it is? is -- >> and on the -- i think there is a -- it is legitimate question of donald trump why is the et necessary necessity of this judge, what is graduate of indiana universityy is that relevant and presidential candidate -- >> you know why it's relevant to donald trump? when did he that -- that's why it's relevant, it works. >> here is donald trump's version of a pivot, is if you say something or do something in the case of this judge that displeases him, he will pivot and turn on you because he is as he's told us the counter puncher. it doesn't matter if it's somebody on your team or your opponent or elizabeth warren what he had some week as big mouth pocahontas. >> dickerson: i'm i'm a republican running i see this,
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it's unprecedented, quite unpredictable for drum to go after suzanna march martinez. in a unity moment to particular rising star in the party. >> in her home state. which was also startling thing. >> and pal ryan. >> >> and level of unpredictability is going to be -- that's what makes other republican lawmakers nervous. >> for those running for the house and senate but every day they have to be going through, how do i respond to this. figuring out a way to deal with it. donald trump ought to do those men and women a favor and stop this, but it's not sure that he can. we talked about people around hillary can't tell her the truth. who around donald trump says to him, stop this. don't do that.
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>> donald trump could have been defined as the business guy bringing his private sector expertise to do rehab on the economy. can defined as outsider. and those are both parts of his identity. the core how he got to the nomination his identity of the embodiment of racial backlash and changing demography. he keeps going back into the waters, thatnd scores. not olding together the republican coalition. the democratic coalition is diverse america and white america most comfortable will turn out in big numbers. and if they do can't overcome that. >> he's not going to stop in stilling mexicans and naturetive americans because it's working he goes with what works. >> i don't know -- t's working -- part of it ha is to do with -- >> part of the reason it does
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work with this base i think is that they kind of hate politicians, they hate the political lags, when he makes fun of the official elites of america in no matter what way they kind of like it. because they -- >> mexicans americans are not - but like martinez -- dickerson: we'll have to leave it there. thanks to all of you for that lively discussion we'll be back with john hickenlooper.
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>> dickerson: joining us now from denver is colorado governor john hickenlooper the author of "the opposite" you say your book is call to action for nerds, but it's also very candid don't you they you're in politics yours not supposed to be candid. >> one of the reasons i wrote it was i got into politics because i wanted people to belief in government. if you're going to write this book, put in warts and all. hopefully believe in elected
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officials. >> dickerson: people are cynical about public service, getting involved. make your pitch, make the pitch to people who watch lot of our politics think it's bickering, why should they get involved in a system that looks so unappealing? >> well, again, there's some unappealing aspects of public life but you get to work with a smartest people, you get to take on the most challenging issues, and you begin -- work hard enough you can make impact you can can define solutions and create results. that is part of best parts of life, and work with wonderful talented people. >> when you are known among other things for having not run negative ads in your campaign, we are facing a presidential election in which it's -- ads are not going to be negative, on twitter, in the comments, what
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is your guidance and advice for the national campaign that's likely to have so much negativity as a part of it? >> well, i think you have to push back against it as hard as you can. the example i always use in business, companies that are archrivals, they hate each other, right? coca-cola and pepsi. coke doesn't do attack ads because they work. pepsi sales would go down but to counterattack coke. you depress sails of soft drinks. we're depressing the product of democracy. young people tuning out. we let that happen at our own risk. >> when you superdelegate, we've talked to bernie sanders earlier in the show he said that superdelegates from states that he won should just go along with him. he won colorado. are you going to take his advice and vote forebernie sanders when it comes convention time?
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>> you know, the superdelegate thing started 30 years ago, the idea is that people that have been in elected office for a longer period of time, longer perspective on things, that they will bring some stability and we're looking at, i admire so many of the things that issue that bernie raised. he has pushed out, why is it that we're not retraining people for the new economy, kids are having surge large debt, hillary is more likely, incremental, hard problem solving approach, is going to get results sooner i think than him. that is where i should support who i any is going to do the best job. >> dickerson: latest revolutions about her private e-mail server something that superdelegates should take in mind, another shoe might drop she might not be as good position. what is your response to that
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argument? >> well, i don't think there's another shoe that is going to dock. they parsed this as much as she can. trying to protect family and friends from the unwand scrutiny. she said she made a mistake, let's move on. i think she's probably most prepared person to run for high political office in this country in several decades. some people say, i'm not -- you have to look, if she was a man all this stuff wouldn't be the same level. there's awful lot of criticism. literally minds of dollars of criticism against her every week. over things that aren't -- against man wouldn't be brought up like that. >> dickerson: inspector general's report doesn't have anything to do with gender, do the it? >> certainly doesn't. but points out that previous secretaries of state have done roughly -- used their own
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servers like colin powell and no one had come out official lee at the time said that this is a bad precedent. again, she's admitted she made a mistake. i don't understand it's not like the end of the world. again, i understand it's been made a big deal because people spent million of dollars trying to throw it into this incredible flame. and donald trump changes what he says, he never said he mid a mistake. whose judgment do you want to rely on? >> colorado is a purple state. going to be a big battleground in the general election. what is your sense of the role of the hispanic population there, 20% in the state, role it will play? >> i think it will play a huge role. again, i think every day that goes by and donald trump says something more that alienates
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large segments of the american people, going -- he will pay a heavy price there. a blow hard -- >> dickerson: i'm sorry. we're going to have to cut out you off. we'll be right back. bran
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>> dickerson: that's it for us. we'll see you next week. on on this memorial day before we go thank our nation's veterans who have served their country. we're very grateful. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org
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